Topic: On the theory of only one god (Read 1480 times)

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as a christian i do believe in just one god , the god that created heaven and earth , who created adam and eve , and i dont believe in many gods , people a long ago praises their gods whom they calls it ,, ther gods is like tree , animal statue or something , but in my existence in life i only believe in jesus christ as one god

The kaballah explain this very well with the tree of life.




It start as one root, then divide and Enlightenment is reached as reunion of opposites.


There is also this myth in plato androgyne.  


http://www.philolog.fr/le-mythe-de-landrogyne-texte-de-platon/



But actually feminine aspect is more coldness severity and judgment reflective, and masculine hot mercyfull loving and active  

Satan is subordinated to god.

You want to say that God is a hermaphrodite? Then I know the divine aquarium fish. They can change their gender depending on what gender do not have enough of their population. The function of reproduction they work in full.

God created everything in pairs, male and female, because He personally represents harmonized masculinity and femininity, which harmoniously exist in himself.
It was said that God created everything on his image, male and female, in pairs.
When you read the Bible you see that God sometimes shows his feminine characteristics, like gentleness and love, and sometimes male nature, anger,...

Sigh. I'm not wondering whether Satan is real or not, what I'm wondering is why is he allowed to remain if he was nothing compared to the omnipotent god. You probably heard of The Problem of Evil before.

What's the problem with worshiping all of existence?

How do you know there is only 1 god?

What *evidence* do you have to support the hypothesis that only 1 god exists?

How can you *prove* that there are not 10 gods?

With plato, stoics etc it became more a philosophic concept, like the tawhid in Islam ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawhid), with the jew at the begining it's still intermediate between tribalism/traditionalism and mosaic law, but Judaism has also influenced platonism, which influenced Christianism.

But before Judaism it was clearly Darwinism, like highlander with the stronger god killing the lesser gods and absorbing it's characterstics, often as different names to refer to different aspect of the God, with strong political interest behind, as a god = a King = a law.

It's even what got jesus in trouble to be seen as "king of jew" it created a bug in their system with the principle of abstract god that doesnt correspond to a King and a law with the kingdom in heaven etc they were like   

There can be many gods but we only have one, true God. If I will worship a god who can do everything except one, then what is the sense of worshiping him if I will meet another god who can do that one thing the former cannot do? Then, there is only one God, and He is all powerful, and allknowing, and possesses all good characteristics.

Guessed survival of the fittest even works for deities. For the most part, they were local and their influence expands as their followers' did. Christianity was looked upon as nothing but a small Jewish cult.


I guess the world would be spared some of the suffering it is having now. Sure, a fully atheistic planet would still have wars but at least it would be over real stuff, not because someone or something up there told his followers to treat people this way or that.

'God is only one and is the source of everything'
It is not possible he killed another god god.
Clay that creates the sun, sky and earth.
What can man create it all besides the one god.

There is fake gold because there is true gold - rumi 

No. I love science. You have got to love science to know that there is a lot yet to discover. There is so much to discover still.

People are claiming science not what it is, but what some enemies of the faith are claiming. Like this guy:


If thats what he says was true, 80% what is in the schoolbooks should not be labeled as science. Such a people does not even know how much they contradicts themselves. Its so so sad fact about the state of humanity today.

Science is the only force you can believe actually, because you can see it with your eyes, and touch with your fingers. Today we would be much more advanced society, but we had a huge technological break, and slow downs caused by church and religion...

You are definitely on track when it comes to seeing that science doesn't really know as much as a lot of people seem to believe. However, I hope that you're not one of those who are against science per se. Science is an overwhelmingly great tool for humanity and there's a lot of very interesting stuff that can be learned by familiarizing oneself with it.

For example? How does the clouds are created? Do you know that science does not know that? Yeah you might say they are vapour. But a vapour is not a cloud.

Same with the sun. They have no idea how to create a star other than solunomiscence - thru sound. Thats just some hypothesises they have that it might be atoms splitting or atoms fusing.

So you are saying that they replaced the small gods mythos to no gods mythos. Those are still mythos.

Actually, it would be more accurate to assert that people back then explained rain and the sun through the metaphors of different gods. Science describes them with different metaphors that are exclusive to the language of science.
At some point in time everything that science asserts today will be regarded in a similar way as the descriptions of ancient cultures are regarded now. It is human nature to constantly make up new ways to perceive the exact same things from a new perspective.

I think it's a matter of simplification. We created the gods because we could not explain certain things that science has explained today. Why would we associate the rain or the sun with a different gods if we can all globalize it into one? 

Yeah. Logical conclusion would be - humans are having a twisted minds quite often, and it happens to be - they like it.

In my opinion, the message of God - for example the message of Jesus Christ is not religious per se. Its actualy antireligious. The words of prophets like Buddha or Zaratrusta are antireligious. They take away from the twisted rituals, they refuse to participate in the old ones. They all have that in common. Ofcourse they leave some twisted mind products that are the least dangerous and mainly refuse to worship the multitude of spirits ( The DEVS) like Zaratrusta did, are agianst the sacrifices and are against the creation of new rituals and new twisted mind products like Jesus and prophets.

The only patriarch that was FOR the rituals was a Moses. But I guess its a matter of a context. Izraelites were in love with the completly twisted egiptian mythos, they needed to have a product of twisted mind like an addict, so they had one that was doing some good to them and to their community. I would interpret it that.


Many of the things you call "science" are a mythos of worst kinds. Take your scientism and stick it ok?

Quantum physicians admitt it that they only do a imagination experiments and take a load of ideas from hindu mythos. They take a lot from mythos because THEY ARE MYTHOS.

Im all for a science, but if you think science disproves God.... you can not be more wrong about that.

Religion are still the ones that cover the topic the most

There's only one God but there's so many religion.

Being an atheist who identifies with Hinduism, I would say that there is no god. The entire creation theory is a myth, and it is better to believe in science rather than having a belief in god.

God is one, but the messenger of the prophet is many, maybe we still have not as much thought about the god, god is not dead, not human, and not a creation of man.

Well.... God have created an angels, seraphims and the cupids. All of them have powers comperable to the gods of the mythos. So I do not understand your point here.

But those creatures although powerful are not the absolute. I know that people does not understand that term nowadays. The absolute means that everything is a manifestation of the creative mind. Like your thoughts are a part of you, we and everything else is a part of the one that IS (I am what IM) - in us and not only us. Generaly in everything.

Its a nice concept because the world that you see is not existant as well. What you see is a product of your brain. I don't say that its not what other brains see, especialy human ones. What an animal brain senses, is a completly different world than human, although we have the same plain of coexistance. The animals(most of them) do not enjoy movies, do not sense themselves in the mirror and many other things we think are obvious.

I would say that there should be many things that are obvious to God, and we are completly not aware of them.


Well.... a religion is a perversion to begin with. It starts with re - which means to redo. And redo could mean to pervert.

Many antropological evidences shows that religions are a product of a twisted minds. But God have nothing to do with religions. To the contrary I would say.

Well, I think a lot of (If not all) religions have become perverted in a very sad way most people who are religious don't have religious/mystical experiences they are just acting out traditions and believing blindly that what they experience is gods will or what not.

But with that said through my own direct mystical experience I can say for 100% that there is one god/one consciousness (ourselves) and all reality is, is that consciousness entertaining itself through different perspectives (other people/life forms) but essentially it is one thing always has been and always will be. God is you and everything else you are god and everything else reality is a mirror of your own spirit god is not a separate entity it is within yourself.

This is marduk

He killed all gods and absorbed their qualities into himself. Hence fifty names of marduk.


http://mesopotamia.mrdonn.org/marduk.html

http://oracc.museum.upenn.edu/amgg/listofdeities/marduk/

http://www.gly.uga.edu/railsback/CS/CSMarduk.html

Similar thing happened in egypt with amon.

At this time each city were patronized as a cult to a particular god, and it's often seen as war between gods = war between différents cities, and the strongest god was the more powerful city.

The power of a god was seen as how much people followed its law.

It's a bit cheating as to say the God that incorporate all others gods become the greater god and rulers of all kindgoms, lesser gods become just a facet or aspect of the greater god.



It's said this story inspired the formalisation of Judaism deuteronomy, as the law to make everyone agree because it incorporate all other laws.

Maybe I'm not very good at talking, but I'm very sure that God is One and only different prophets from one God for every people was. Therefore, we have so many religions. But uniquely God is one.

God no need to make god again, because if he made then he is still the greatest and great creator, if you think killing all can make you feel so god is impossible, killing all make you forget yourself and can be spelled out no longer human, because humans still have Heart, then man can not become god, why? Because humans only a small part of God's creation on earth, if you think you god because creating something is wrong, because whatever it is brain, thought power, intelligence, skill / ability is only a gift from god.

I think god, or at least the Judeo-Christian one, was not conceived as a singular god (meaning there are no other possible gods) but rather a part of a family of gods. That's why the Judeo-Christian god seem more of an anomaly as it developed into a solo act. Sort of like how a band singer would go solo and linger for years while all the other members sink into oblivion.

Contrary to what another member has posted, Ahura Mazda had a father during the earlier parts of the religion's development (or you can call it a sect if you want to). In this story, Ahura Mazda is the son of Zurvan rather than being a creator god. Curiously, here Ahura Mazda is the twin of Angra Mainyu (sort of like the devil or a darkness principle) making it seem like the Eastern concept of light and darkness being equals and requiring the other to exist (or rather being the opposite sides of the same coin).

Not hard to imagine a similar development happened in Judaism and scholars believe exposure to Zoroastrianism is what pushed it to the path of monotheism.

I am not religious whatsoever. However, there is a lot that can be learned from scriptures such as the Bible regardless, as long as you don't take them literally. If you keep in mind the times during which the scriptures were written and consider them as a collection of allegories, you will find a lot of similarities to Philosophy and Science, both ancient and modern alike.
You can find valuable lessons in just about anything if you pay enough attention. And if you don't pay attention, you won't find valuable lessons even in the most rigorously conducted scientific studies.

In my experience, everybody is trying to express the same thing when it comes to "the nature of existence", however, everybody uses a different set of language to convey their ideas. This is largely due to difference in culture, society, politics, education and general upbringing and life experiences.

There is a literally infinite amount of ways in which you can convey one and the same message. In some of these ways you will not even realize that the same message is being conveyed unless you pay very close attention to the fine nuances and understand the background of the writer/speaker.

I dont believe in the bible because their plot is full of holes that makes me even more confused like the bible said that humans came from adam and eve but science that conducted some research about the matter said that humans came from apes. Seriously how many have died in died all for the sake of this religions, how many countless wars has been in his name? The bible also said that "The world is a dangerous place not because of the people who does evil but the people who does nothing and watch" although not exactly but close enough.

A female companion very well passes on genes though. And in most myths God created man, thus God would be beyond the concepts of masculinity and femininity or embodies both simultaneously. Breaking the singularity is what would create male and female, or ying and yang from that perspective. If you think about it, without at least an illusion of duality, God wouldn't be able to experience anything other than God.

I wonder if maybe it had something to do with what the ancients believed in terms of heredity, namely being only masculine in nature: the sperm of a man to be like the "seed" (as in plant seed) sown into the fertile "soil" of a woman's womb, herself only providing nutrition and nurturing and caring but zero essence to the baby in making. This belief has led to the tradition of telling and documenting a tale of virgin birth as well. God needed to be singular and masculine because only he can "create" (pass on his essence). A female (companion) is incapable of passing on anything, unlike the eternal kingly sperm of a godly male. Supremacy is actualized by singularly (contributory factor:100%) being able to pass on your traits.

The fact is that the one who personifies evil, Whose name you named, is the Fallen Angel. The fact is that if you view the entire history of the emergence of good and evil, it turns out Everything is clear. And it is not unnecessary to deny one when you believe in another.

First, God didn't create man or woman. He made them.

Second, Who knows how many things God did between the time He made man and woman. The Bible doesn't have the record of everything. We have the universe for that.

God doesn't necessarily make man and woman for companionship, although He enjoys the companionship. Rather, He made them for His praise and glory.

The fact of the complexity of cause and effect shows that God is one God. If there were two Gods, the complexity of the universe shows that they would have to be acting as one to make the universe. One God.

Monotheism is quite rare, often times, gods at least have some partners that are more or less as powerful as them. It seems that unlike the Persian Ahura Mazda, the Hebrew god used to be part of a pantheon where it is not the chief being. Over time due to political reasons, the religion shifted from polytheism to monotheism.


In which case he could have simply made Satan disappear since Satan is after all, also just a copy.

First off, the bible is not invented. It was a series of true events based on what happened in the past. They are written by many people, some said they are 40 who contributed with the bible, and it is related to Jesus. In short the bible was the word of God.

We don't know really how many Gods do we have, but one thing is for sure, there are only one creator of these world the reason why, he is the only one who called God.

If he can create "copies" they will never have his power.

The theory that God is one, I have never heard, but I am sure god is only one, and the god who created all this, if more than one, surely every creation will not be perfect.

i strongly believe in most high God

That would not be the case. The thing is that the creator the only one God have created creatures or angels to serve him. If you remember that some of those angels had an affair with humans and thus gave birth to giants and when those hybrids die they become evil spirits. Those hybrids between angels and humans have developed superhuman powers and they were considered gods and goddesses in the old times. Those gods and goddesses though immortal can be killed and destroyed thus they are not real gods. With the hybrids having immense knowledge of the universe being the sons and daughters of angels they are physically and technologically superior to humans.

Is the Hebrew god also El? Coz from what I've read in some articles, El have a consort called Asherah.

There are some weird passage where Yahweh was addressing El in the Old Testament. It seems to me El used to be the main god of the earlier version of Israelite religion and then Yahweh eventually supplanted him and assimilated his attributes and got rid of the female consort, which makes sense to the Jews since Asherah was also worshiped by other competing groups.

They do have a tradition of adding rules to further differentiate themselves from other Canaanite cultures, for example, not shaving during mourning which was common in the region (practiced as far as Egypt).

The difference is simple...

Subordinates are not companions...

God might be happy with a dog (humans) for a while, but eventually he is going to want a companion equivalent to his own power... nobody wants to be alone for eternity... and having dogs and slaves don't quite cut the mustard in regards to companionship

Yes, the theory is true. I happen to be a Muslim, so according to my belief based on Al_Qur'an, God is one Allah SWT. And Allah is All-Might.

I believe that there is only one god, like some verses in the Qur'an
1.Say, he is God, the one
2. Allah, the eternally  Besought off all
3 He is begetteth not nor was begotten
4.and there is none comparable unto him

If you're God, and solitude bores you, you make up new people, as suggested by you. What else do you think is going on in this world? It should be pretty obvious.

Just self-trolling on an enormous scale.

You don't think god ever wanted a wife/mate?

Did god kill his wife?  Where is she?

Maybe that God created divine entities so he wouldn't feel lone, but not with the power of a God.

Perhaps those who invented the Bible did not have enough imagination to many gods. And maybe they knew some of the problems with religions profess many gods before the rise of Christianity. Christianity Judaism and Islam have common roots so they have one God.

I'm just trying to think about this logically

According to the bible, the first thing god does after creating Adam is find/create him a spouse/companion (in both Genesis creation stories, though how he creates the woman is different)

Everyone needs companionship, even gods...

Would there be any reason the first god wouldn't create additional gods?
1) Everyone needs companions
2) Everyone likes to show off their creations
3) Solitary confinement is bad (even for gods)


The only way a one god theory makes sense is if the one god killed all the other gods, highlander style