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We already know we have limited supply of natural energy sources. And each second we burn billion tons of these precious sources just to travel from one place to other. There is dire need to think for coming future where we are independent of these limited sources.
There are tons of alternate source and around the world different students and professors are searching for more efficient ways to utilize those sources. Am also a chemistry graduate and know this matter very well.

Electric vehicles and motor bike are also one of the sources which use electricity as fuel to run. and with the combination of solar energy, it can be an infinite source of energy and to use freely.
many countries citizens like eclectic motors due to there silent and cool design. in future we can see more delightful and efficient version of them too.
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The main drawback to electric scooters is safety and in many cases insurance of the vehicle. There are many statistics that will tell you that these are very prone to accidents and users tend to misuse them and ride over walkways and the like. I am not so sure you can escape the cost of crude as the cost of electricity has also increased everywhere.

Advice - if you buy one, let it not be chinesse.
Totally agree with you, in my city, according to data, more accidents occur due to reckless electric scooter users and breaking road barriers.  Strict rules need to be imposed on scooter users because otherwise, it will have a bad impact on people, other than that don't buy products from china because usually, cheap stuff has bad quality lol.
It's rarely the vehicle's fault (electric scooters in our case), they are small in size, snappy throughout the city while the lack of sound isn't helping in the hustle of a large city. Anyway, their usage needs caution and proper infrastructure, such as bicycle paths, which could be used in conjunction with bicycles and with a speed limit of course, since some of those are quite fast.
Whenever the number do rise up that fast or being significant already then it would really be just normal for its government to impose rule for those who are using these things to get in line with bicycle lanes rather than

going itself into the main road where big vehicles do really cross and its true that it would be still risky if you do ride alone on using up this scooter.Not only it is just small occupation of space but also it is really that silent
for someone not able to notice it thats why it would be better that they would be in fused or make use of bicycle lanes which would be safer.
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This became a thing in Turkey these days. There is a company called "martı" that has been around for a few years now, like maybe 2-3 years at most but they grew insanely bigger and bigger during the pandemic. Nowadays I am seeing them putting electric type of bikes everywhere as well. Not those huge motorcycle things, just small tiny things that you can sit on and go. I believe that that will grow super insanely high as well. I do not know how you get licenses for that, but they probably spent millions upon millions of dollars to just get those vehicles, both the scooters and the electric mini bikes as well. Its really growing exponentially.
That has existed in my nation for years. It is not really a bad idea, I like riding those things because it is insanely cheap, it is like 10 cents per kilometre if you calculate it, which means that if you go to work 20 km away, that is 2 dollars per day spent on the ride. Even taking the bus could be more expensive then that, so you spend like 4 bucks per day on your travels to and from your work.

Not really a big amount of money and you could rent them everywhere and there is usually an app for it and you could see where is the closest one. The only problem is that sometimes there isn't any close one so you have to walk a lot, or you just use alternative ways. It is never really a good thing to open it up in the morning and finding none in your area.
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The main drawback to electric scooters is safety and in many cases insurance of the vehicle. There are many statistics that will tell you that these are very prone to accidents and users tend to misuse them and ride over walkways and the like. I am not so sure you can escape the cost of crude as the cost of electricity has also increased everywhere.

Advice - if you buy one, let it not be chinesse.
Totally agree with you, in my city, according to data, more accidents occur due to reckless electric scooter users and breaking road barriers.  Strict rules need to be imposed on scooter users because otherwise, it will have a bad impact on people, other than that don't buy products from china because usually, cheap stuff has bad quality lol.
It's rarely the vehicle's fault (electric scooters in our case), they are small in size, snappy throughout the city while the lack of sound isn't helping in the hustle of a large city. Anyway, their usage needs caution and proper infrastructure, such as bicycle paths, which could be used in conjunction with bicycles and with a speed limit of course, since some of those are quite fast.
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Walking is not a good form of exercise, in my opinion. To get good exercise a person's heart rate needs to be elevated, which casual walking isn't known for producing.
Maybe that's your conclusion based on a long walk of 8 miles a day for a long time - but so far I haven't learned that moderate walking (30 minutes a day) is bad for your health, quite the opposite. What can be bad is walking in a polluted environment (traffic, industry) or using very uncomfortable footwear which can be very uncomfortable for the feet.
As a person who is fat (unfortunately) I have been to doctors all my life and they have constantly did tests on my body and always gave me the same advice, to walk. However, one thing that I did not know, and learned from my doctor visits and multiple doctors saying the same thing came to the same result; treadmills are not the way to do it.

I mean if you could walk on the road, or on some walking path, or basically just regular street, you could have a better result, when you are walking on a machine, that is bad for your knee joints. I have zero clue why that is, that is just what the doctors told me, but that is my only contribution to it. 30 minute walks every single day on a good path would improve a fat person's life very easily.
There are some comparison in between treadmills and elliptical trainer.
https://www.healthline.com/health/osteoarthritis/knee-pain/treadmill-vs-elliptical#The-verdict

Not all people could afford a treadmill so simply walking on the streets or road would suffice if this one is really required and its true that 30 minute walk
isnt really a bad thing.All you do need to do is to persevere or making it as a default chore if you do tend to be healthy.
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The main drawback to electric scooters is safety and in many cases insurance of the vehicle. There are many statistics that will tell you that these are very prone to accidents and users tend to misuse them and ride over walkways and the like. I am not so sure you can escape the cost of crude as the cost of electricity has also increased everywhere.

Advice - if you buy one, let it not be chinesse.
Totally agree with you, in my city, according to data, more accidents occur due to reckless electric scooter users and breaking road barriers.  Strict rules need to be imposed on scooter users because otherwise, it will have a bad impact on people, other than that don't buy products from china because usually, cheap stuff has bad quality lol.
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The main reason why electric vehicles still not comes under the priority among people is the lack of charging station, how many people can afford to have two vehicles one for daily usage and another one with mechanical engine just for long travel? We also consider the people all around the world not only the people who can afford everything.
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Walking is not a good form of exercise, in my opinion. To get good exercise a person's heart rate needs to be elevated, which casual walking isn't known for producing.
Maybe that's your conclusion based on a long walk of 8 miles a day for a long time - but so far I haven't learned that moderate walking (30 minutes a day) is bad for your health, quite the opposite. What can be bad is walking in a polluted environment (traffic, industry) or using very uncomfortable footwear which can be very uncomfortable for the feet.
As a person who is fat (unfortunately) I have been to doctors all my life and they have constantly did tests on my body and always gave me the same advice, to walk. However, one thing that I did not know, and learned from my doctor visits and multiple doctors saying the same thing came to the same result; treadmills are not the way to do it.

I mean if you could walk on the road, or on some walking path, or basically just regular street, you could have a better result, when you are walking on a machine, that is bad for your knee joints. I have zero clue why that is, that is just what the doctors told me, but that is my only contribution to it. 30 minute walks every single day on a good path would improve a fat person's life very easily.
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Best is to use these and manual transport like cycling or walking, a bit of running, jogging etc, I guess with not only we save more money on it, we also boost our health a lot which is a win win situation Smiley plus, maybe in future prices of these will rise significantly as cost of gas and oil might go out of the general middle class family and it might be a good investment as well!
Personally I am in favor of buying a regular bicycle as well, the electric scooter looks fine and without a doubt there would be circumstances that would merit buying one, however if your commute to your job is relatively close then a regular bicycle could do the job and not only you will save on fuel costs but you will also exercise in the process.

And not only that depending on where you live and how much traffic there is the bicycle could be even faster than a car moving in the city, so it would not only be more energy efficient but also more time efficient, which is crazy considering how cheap bicycles can be compared to cars.
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 This became a thing in Turkey these days. There is a company called "martı" that has been around for a few years now, like maybe 2-3 years at most but they grew insanely bigger and bigger during the pandemic. Nowadays I am seeing them putting electric type of bikes everywhere as well. Not those huge motorcycle things, just small tiny things that you can sit on and go. I believe that that will grow super insanely high as well. I do not know how you get licenses for that, but they probably spent millions upon millions of dollars to just get those vehicles, both the scooters and the electric mini bikes as well. Its really growing exponentially.
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An alternative to a gas car is a car that consumes something different!
An electric scooter is an alternative to a bike to a gas scooter!

When you're living in a  country where it rains half of the year when it is not snowing, if you have 30km to commute, when you actually need to carry more than a man-purse to work this is no longer an alternative it's a punishment! Besides, I wound;t understand the need to go for an ultra-expensive scooter when you can get a cheap old-fashioned gas scooter like a Vespa that will get you far more range, be cheaper to fix, and will still get you 1/3 of the gas price.


Denmark is said to have one of the largest cycling cultures in the world with more than 12 000 km of cycle paths and about 70% of Danes use bicycles every day - which tells us that it is possible to live differently and not depend so much on oil.

Yeah, but that 70% means little when you use the bicycle for 1 km and then the car for 1000.
Directly form https://www.statbank.dk/3440


Or for the Netherlands:

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Approximately 80% of all bicycle trips are shorter than 5 km;
approximately 7% of bicycle trips are longer than 10 km

10 km is barely the radius of cities like Bucharest or Warsaw, good luck if you're in the suburbs.   Wink




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E bikes & E scooter users is gradually increasing in numbers here in my place, but all users I saw was at the age bracket of below 30.
Mega fuel savings and skipping through the traffic are 2 of the major reasons I can see in using these E transpo.
But I can see one major disadvantage about it, the survivability rate once you get into an accident.
Then It will be followed with not so major list :
- weather (hassle during rainy season)
- easy to get stolen
- I'm quite sure there will be a weight limit? So If you're carrying a lot of stuff daily then I guess E Scooter is not gonna be an option. Maybe E Bikes will do.

I lost hope about Gas price roll back. Though there were roll backs, but after a week or two they'll start another hike higher than the previous one lol.
Here in PH I've seen price hikes 5-6 times in less than 2 months, there were roll backs yet another hike will be imposed again in a week.



I've lost hope a long time now, I've come to terms that gasoline and a lot of daily goods are going to be a lot more expensive than they used in the past. I'm also noticing a surge in electric bicycle purchases, especially after the government/European Union started promoting them by providing subsidies for them (30% of their total value if I'm not mistaken, it's a few hundred bucks for sure).

In my opinion, it's a great way to exercise and commute around the city, without spending too much money, while with a decent lock, you'll are likely to be safe enough for most cities. On top of that, you could even buy an electric folding bike, which you can carry around if you're afraid it gets stolen.

Unfortunately, these solutions are only for urban areas, while the current electric motorcycles have pretty limited autonomy and are extremely expensive.
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now put that in a single inch of snow.

let alone 5 months of snow and minus 20.   

try commuting 20 miles. 
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Yes, I think replacing motorbikes will be a response to a future need.  The benefits of electric motorbikes are indisputable when it is more suitable for high gasoline prices and serious environmental pollution.  However, in countries with a long rainy season and flooded with water, most electric scooters face major obstacles, and long-distance travel is also difficult to meet.  So for me, the most likely option is still to meet the needs of work or travel long distances, electric motorbikes will be a great choice and vice versa.
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- weather (hassle during rainy season)
- easy to get stolen
- I'm quite sure there will be a weight limit? So If you're carrying a lot of stuff daily then I guess E Scooter is not gonna be an option. Maybe E Bikes will do.
These are indeed valid points about con's on having an E-scooter thats why it doesnt really get that much attention aside on being expensive then other factors such as this would really be off a major concern.

This is just really only good if you do make out daily commute on a sunny or fair day but for rainy season then it would really be that hassle plus you are really exposing yourself into dust outside
on the time you are travelling due to other cars that are running around and if you do go to office then that would really be an unpleasant feeling plus you would really indeed minding about
security for it not to be stolen which is true that it is really just too easy to be done by someone.
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Walking is not a good form of exercise, in my opinion. To get good exercise a person's heart rate needs to be elevated, which casual walking isn't known for producing.

Maybe that's your conclusion based on a long walk of 8 miles a day for a long time - but so far I haven't learned that moderate walking (30 minutes a day) is bad for your health, quite the opposite. What can be bad is walking in a polluted environment (traffic, industry) or using very uncomfortable footwear which can be very uncomfortable for the feet.

Mega fuel savings and skipping through the traffic are 2 of the major reasons I can see in using these E transpo.

I know people who have saved a lot of money because they started using e-bikes even before the price of fuel went up - and they come to work faster because they avoid traffic jams. It should be borne in mind that the existence of bicycle paths is a very important factor when people decide on this way of traveling, primarily for safety.

Denmark is said to have one of the largest cycling cultures in the world with more than 12 000 km of cycle paths and about 70% of Danes use bicycles every day - which tells us that it is possible to live differently and not depend so much on oil.
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E bikes & E scooter users is gradually increasing in numbers here in my place, but all users I saw was at the age bracket of below 30.
Mega fuel savings and skipping through the traffic are 2 of the major reasons I can see in using these E transpo.
But I can see one major disadvantage about it, the survivability rate once you get into an accident.
Then It will be followed with not so major list :
- weather (hassle during rainy season)
- easy to get stolen
- I'm quite sure there will be a weight limit? So If you're carrying a lot of stuff daily then I guess E Scooter is not gonna be an option. Maybe E Bikes will do.

I lost hope about Gas price roll back. Though there were roll backs, but after a week or two they'll start another hike higher than the previous one lol.
Here in PH I've seen price hikes 5-6 times in less than 2 months, there were roll backs yet another hike will be imposed again in a week.


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Very many people are starting to consider buying a means of transportation that uses solar panels. not only because of high gas prices, but also because of current technological developments. Well, buying one at this time is a solution so that we can save on gas.
it's just that, the drawback of transportation that uses electricity is, the price is quite expensive. Well, not everyone can afford that. In addition, there are still many places that are not too familiar with this technology, so the charging system still has to be done at home, or in certain places. however, for some vehicles it is also not recommended for long trips. however, in terms of its many drawbacks, it's very good to buy one.
I've also seen systems that combine gas and battery. technology is also very good for us so that we can save gas. well, that might be the first step to using this alternative in the long term. Personally, I also intend to buy it when my needs have been met.
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Perhaps electric scooters, bicycles and EVs can be a good investment in the near future, should oil prices continue to rise?
We are already on a hi-tech or modern era which these kind of innovation in terms of alternatives is truly that beneficial specially now that everything is really rising up specially petrol products which means that
going electric is good alternative but we know that not all would really be that financially capable on acquiring these things and it shows that it is really costly and in other note that  t here are things
which couldnt really be that feasible on using electric scooter which means those gasoline powered would be still that efficient on very common aspects on daily commute and other purposes.
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Funny that no one yet suggested walking as an alternative to high gas prices? Walking - will make you be more healthy, fit, improve endurance. Cons - shoe deprecation, takes more time to travel, weather dependable.

Now serious - compare how much km you cover during March to October in city only, divide it to 100 and calculate the amount fuel you spend, to $300+ for a scooter plus several dollars weekly for scooter charge. It might turn, that car is still more profitable.


I have walked around 8 miles to and from work. On a regular basis. It is time consuming and takes 1 to 2 hours to cover the distance. Then I tried covering the same route using a skateboard and bike. It definitely cut down on travel time.

Walking is not a good form of exercise, in my opinion. To get good exercise a person's heart rate needs to be elevated, which casual walking isn't known for producing.

I planned to recharge my scooter using solar panels and a windmill. That is close to an optimal solution AFAIK. At the moment I have a proof of concept windmill I want to build using a 775 permanent magnet motor. The biggest obstacle to windmills AFAIK is them needing 50:1 to 100:1 gearboxes so the motor can spin at the high RPM it needs to produce peak power. With a 775 motor acting as generator that's worth maybe 100 watts. Starting small seems like the way to go, to scale up to larger capacities later.

I have an old razor E300 with a few planned mods for that as well. I have copper tubing I plan to wrap around the motor housing to act as a water cooling jacket. Then I have a PC liquid cooling radiator and a fan to connect to the copper tubing. If it works, it should keep the motor cool. Planned to upgrade to a more powerful motor and eventually lithium batteries for 2x range extension.

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While it's not a bad idea, it certainly not a great one either. I can detect many disadvantages, first and foremost, it can only be used inside the city, it cannot replace the need of having a car, which is required for longer distances. Secondly, drivers certainly don't pay much attention to motorbikes or actual even actual scooters, let alone an electric one, which doesn't even generate engine noise in order to be heard.

Especially electric bicycles, can be a lot more versatile in terms of moving cargo around, are worth their money, both can replace the need of fueling inside urban areas, while they're not that expensive to buy.

i prefer electric bicycles as well. at least with this, you can sit and you can as well carry a passenger/cargo much easier. it is safer also as compared to e-scooters. anyway, it depends on your activity for the day. some may find easier to use e-scooter if they are just going to short distances without carrying anything. but if you need to go a lil bit far and carry some stuffs, electric bicycle is preferred.

I guess those electric bicycles that can be seen mostly in Asian countries are not yet widespread in the US that's why they prefer electric scooter.

I have both but I do agree that I want to used my electric bicycles more than my scooter. One advantage as well is that when you travel at night. I customized by e-bicycles to have more lights so that motorist can see me. As compare to scooter that I didn't and the mileage that I can go with the bike. But both of them are very useful to me.
I've seen similar scooters around here, while they are versatile, I find them very dangerous. If used on a large city, you're certainly having a death wish, you'll get yourself runover. There are better alternatives, there are electric scooters that share similar characteristics with the regular 125cc (non electric) ones, and have nothing be jealous of. Some of which, are hard to even distinguish from those who have an internal combustion engine.
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I am always in favor of any form of vehicle that has minimal impact on the environment and provides fairly good autonomy at a very reasonable cost if we take into account how much energy they need for a single battery charge. For those who live in smaller cities (and even slightly larger ones), an electric bicycle (by which I mean hybrids) is a very cheap and practical way of traveling on smaller routes, although the initial investment can be significant.

A solid electric bicycle in the EU costs at least 2500 EUR, and if you want to adequately protect it from thieves, then you need a few hundred more EUR for a high-end padlock and preferably a GPS that is built into the bike itself. Although many people will never allow themselves to use such modes of transport, their cars are actually their status symbol, and whoever can afford an expensive car has no problem paying a higher price for fuel. I do not mean exclusively some celebrities, but middle-class people.
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Funny that no one yet suggested walking as an alternative to high gas prices? Walking - will make you be more healthy, fit, improve endurance. Cons - shoe deprecation, takes more time to travel, weather dependable.

Now serious - compare how much km you cover during March to October in city only, divide it to 100 and calculate the amount fuel you spend, to $300+ for a scooter plus several dollars weekly for scooter charge. It might turn, that car is still more profitable.

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This option is already getting explored as we speak. In my country EV started to run like crazy and honestly the number is growing way faster. The problem is with the fuel costing in my country. It’s just growing and growing day by day and that’s pees are exploring new options.

The big group like TATA, they have launched Nexon EV, the efficiency is around 600 km in single charge which is way way enough to travel here.

They have taken successful step even though we don’t have proper charging stations around the city. I think this is need and passion of the future that’s why it’s getting success.

So yes this alternative is big stuff ahead.
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Best is to use these and manual transport like cycling or walking, a bit of running, jogging etc, I guess with not only we save more money on it, we also boost our health a lot which is a win win situation Smiley plus, maybe in future prices of these will rise significantly as cost of gas and oil might go out of the general middle class family and it might be a good investment as well!

Fresh air and pedals from the bike are of course wonderful! But what if we need to go to visit our parents and at the same time all family members, two dogs and three bags of things should be with you? How can all this be moved on a bicycle? If you have one small child, riding a bicycle to visit is not possible
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This is not an alternative. What about people who got kids, lots of cargo, or people who live in poor weather conditions. If you must resort to this you might as well just take a bus everywhere. That way you don’t have to worry about it getting stolen.

There is no short term solution to the energy crisis. I think governments won’t do much because they want people out of their gas guzzlers and into more economical vehicles. The people that will suffer are those driving mini vans because they got kids.

EV and the batteries for them they just can’t be designed fast enough. And with enough usage everyone’s power bill will be double and won’t seem as cheap as they make it out to be.
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Iam a fan of all technology but this isnt ready for the mainstream, the majority will rather sit on the bus with their shopping bags not this.   Of course young people are biased and want to have these, I do personally but I just cant agree it'll work overall.    The usage of electric propulsion has advanced but its got further to go, ten to twenty years we'll expand the range of possibilities further.   At present I would describe scooters as nice for inner city areas where pollution most easily accumulates so hopefully good governance can encourage usage.
   The bigger challenge more obvious right now is production of energy without the old fossil fuels, do that and you will change the world away from all these old dictators and their awful actions and we can all gain.
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The elites get to drive full sized motor vehicles, while the rest of us are left with scooters, says a lot about the current predicament with energy, doesn't it? Reminds me how politicians and climate change grifters meet for a climate summit, in which they take their private jets and travel across the globe. The alternative to high energy prices aren't for the lower class to lower their energy needs, it's to increase energy production and ditch "green" energy initiatives which do not come close to meeting demands.
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The idea was suitable for the current situation.But the electric vehicle will come into force after a decades.Now the vehicle with Engine 6 was came.And the corporate had his own hand on this,they won’t allow this to happen.They had huge influence on this,from 5 years before the company and people saying about the electric vehicle.Let see how long it take for this action.
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While it's not a bad idea, it certainly not a great one either. I can detect many disadvantages, first and foremost, it can only be used inside the city, it cannot replace the need of having a car, which is required for longer distances. Secondly, drivers certainly don't pay much attention to motorbikes or actual even actual scooters, let alone an electric one, which doesn't even generate engine noise in order to be heard.

Especially electric bicycles, can be a lot more versatile in terms of moving cargo around, are worth their money, both can replace the need of fueling inside urban areas, while they're not that expensive to buy.

i prefer electric bicycles as well. at least with this, you can sit and you can as well carry a passenger/cargo much easier. it is safer also as compared to e-scooters. anyway, it depends on your activity for the day. some may find easier to use e-scooter if they are just going to short distances without carrying anything. but if you need to go a lil bit far and carry some stuffs, electric bicycle is preferred.

I guess those electric bicycles that can be seen mostly in Asian countries are not yet widespread in the US that's why they prefer electric scooter.

I have both but I do agree that I want to used my electric bicycles more than my scooter. One advantage as well is that when you travel at night. I customized by e-bicycles to have more lights so that motorist can see me. As compare to scooter that I didn't and the mileage that I can go with the bike. But both of them are very useful to me.
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While it's not a bad idea, it certainly not a great one either. I can detect many disadvantages, first and foremost, it can only be used inside the city, it cannot replace the need of having a car, which is required for longer distances. Secondly, drivers certainly don't pay much attention to motorbikes or actual even actual scooters, let alone an electric one, which doesn't even generate engine noise in order to be heard.

Especially electric bicycles, can be a lot more versatile in terms of moving cargo around, are worth their money, both can replace the need of fueling inside urban areas, while they're not that expensive to buy.

i prefer electric bicycles as well. at least with this, you can sit and you can as well carry a passenger/cargo much easier. it is safer also as compared to e-scooters. anyway, it depends on your activity for the day. some may find easier to use e-scooter if they are just going to short distances without carrying anything. but if you need to go a lil bit far and carry some stuffs, electric bicycle is preferred.
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While it's not a bad idea, it certainly not a great one either. I can detect many disadvantages, first and foremost, it can only be used inside the city, it cannot replace the need of having a car, which is required for longer distances. Secondly, drivers certainly don't pay much attention to motorbikes or actual even actual scooters, let alone an electric one, which doesn't even generate engine noise in order to be heard.

Especially electric bicycles, can be a lot more versatile in terms of moving cargo around, are worth their money, both can replace the need of fueling inside urban areas, while they're not that expensive to buy.
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I have Xiaomi m365 electric scooter. This is a great alternative to high gas prices, but only during summer, late spring and beginning of autumn. It is very demanding to road coverage (easy to puncture tire). It has no shock absorbers, so you hands and spine will feel every rock, hole you hit. It is good when need to travel for a short distance from place A to place B. But as soon as you need to move something or take with you, I would say that you will have to think about what you will carry in bag, and what you will leave at home. Electric scooters are more fun, than a real alternative to transport. Bicycle is more universal.
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Even if people massively switch to scooters they would still feel the overall inflation from gas prices because they still have a serious impact on supply chains. And since prices are pumped not because of demand burst, gas wouldn't go lower even if everyone switch to bicycles.

Also, gas prices are mainly going to be an american problem due to poor public transport. In Europe people already using alternative transport.
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I’ve already owned a standing e-scooter in which I’ve bought it for $300 at a local mall. The funny thing is that I only used it like 3 to 4 times but regularly charging it at home for at least once a month for little maintenance.

The main reason why I’ve bought the e-scooter is because of the then-restrictions of the COVID-19 pandemic that doesn’t permit PUVs (jeepneys, taxis, tricycles, etc.) from roaming around picking up passengers.

I could have sold it to another buyer because I only used it few times, but I was having second thoughts without any specific reason at all. I just felt that I still need it just in case the COVID-19 strict restrictions for PUVs are back again in the future.

Now that the oil prices are rising thanks to the ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine, maybe there’s a reason why I kept this for so long. Next week, the oil price hike in the Philippines will be painful in our pockets, so it’s time for me to use my e-scooter frequently.
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You're from the US, right? That means you have no idea what high gas prices are....

Here, I see those scooters on the roads more often nowadays, but they're not road legal. So they can get a fine, aren't insured, but much worse: they're not very safe. I've driven 2 wheel vehicles at much higher speeds, but those small wheels alone look terrible when there's a hole in the road. I wouldn't dare drive this amongst heavy car traffic.
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Those scooters look a bit flimsy for me. Most e-bikes in my country have about the same build as a motorbike though they apparently tend to be slower. I don't see people using them on freeways and major roads often though.

I suppose these are better if you got your own solarpanels to charge them at home (tugging along panels seems clumsy). Especially if the electricity cost in your country is high as well.
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Well, I am all for anything that will give a middle finger to these Oil b@stards!

I bought a small 125cc motorbike for city commute a while ago, but it is so scary to drive in our city... because people drive like obsessed maniacs... so I gave up on that idea. https://www.ktm.com/en-si/models/naked-bike/ktm-125-duke-2022.html  - FUEL CONSUMPTION   2.42 l/100 km

It is almost impossible to drive with the small e-scooters on our roads here, because you will die within the first week. (Nobody are even attempting it, even though it is the cheapest way to get from point A to B)  Roll Eyes

The most fuel efficient motorcycles : https://www.spritmonitor.de/en/evaluation/economic_motorcycles.html
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In the United States, I think there shouldn't be oil problems and Gas Prices should be lower because actually, they have 264 billion barrels of oil reserves.
I can't imagine living in the United States without owning a car at the moment. Some people are so far from work, they need hour of auto ride in order to arrive at job, so, Electric Scooter can't be an alternative for a lot of Americans.

The USA should have invested money in public transport if they want to dump the demand on oil, it's better for the society in general. Public transportation is clean, safe, inexpensive, effective and in some European countries, it's even faster than auto.
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This is an interesting thing to share the views upon as the gas prices has been grown to reluctant levels to double digits EV's are becoming the top priority of many people around the corner and this market is growing at really unexpected levels in almost every country.We could see there are some pros and cons related with these categories of e-scooter,bikes and cars but more problems could be there of small bikes.

They are currently operational in many countries and the number is growing continuously like in the US, Germany, Belgium and all other parts and these pictures are common to see in some developed countries where people or say at this time most of the teenagers are seen riding these e-scooters on thr streets :


If you wish to find out for each country then here is really helpful guide for you all to study: E- scooters around the world

But what are the problems related with it :

1) As above said there are safety issues concerning them because you need to have balance over them and not enough Strong to pushback any outside force like hitting of the vehicle from any side

2) The top speed is mostly limited to 20mph and you can't go on for long trips on them which is another drawback.

3) The seperate lanes for them needs to be developed so they can travel hastle free as there are other vehicles in which they cannot roam around easily.

4) The battery exhaust after few trips and you need to charge them as they don't have any long life and needs replacements

5) Suitable for single rider only

But there are positive aspects also for these rides which we all know like :

1) Cheap cost then our traditional vehicles running on gas

2) Maintenance costs and their size is small which is much beneficial for them to ride upon.

3) Your health remains fit if you are riding these small scooters across the street.

Talking about the global share then these are biggest players involved in this market or say investors which have big share in them :



This market is way beyond than what we are expecting it to be and the returns or say CAGR is expected to grow at much bigger level than what we have anticipated.

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The eScooter market will worth nearly $41.98 billion by 2030, as per the study by Grand View Research Inc. Due to this rise, the market will face a boom in CAGR by 8.5%.

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As per a report, the global sales of electric scooters and bicycles are expected to reach 129 million units by 2028. In 2019, the electric scooters sales was near 46.89 44.39, which grew to 50 in 2020. This gradual growth tells us the incessantly growing demand for the eScooter services

The expected growth is at this level :


Source: E-scooter trends

But still there needs to be wide adoption but keeping in mind various factors we could say that EV cars would be in much use as all the major players like Ford,Tesla,Audi and others will develop more sustainable cars for the future maybe alternate to electricity also but the need of hour can help us with these scooters so if you wish to have one it's worth it.
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I am not so sure you can escape the cost of crude as the cost of electricity has also increased everywhere.

That would depend on how often and how far you ride it, but I'd be willing to bet that any e-bike or scooter would save you a ton of money in fuel costs alone.  Depending on those factors I mentioned and your weight, you don't have to recharge them after every ride and they don't use up a whole lot of electricity anyway.

E-bike and Electric-Scooter are better improvement made over the manual, even though i never had a taste of one before but i think it will offer a suitable usage with the use to cover a short distance and also go on a long distance provided there's a timer indicator for the energy in reserve to be sufficient enough to cover up for the distance. Also, having it operating in both manual and automatic mode will be effective whereby one can switch if the power is low to manual which can make their usage more effective.
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Hey!  This thread reminds me of a couple I started a while back.  I've been a fan of e-bikes and you can see a pic of mine in this thread, and before I ended up buying it (not with bitcoin, by the way), I was looking for a way to purchase one with crypto.  They're definitely more energy efficient and much, much less expensive if you compare them to automobiles.  The only problem is that neither e-bikes nor e-scooters are practical if you've got regular, long commutes.  Fortunately for me I don't.

In my city I always see some kid zipping around on an e-bike that you don't have to pedal, which is not the kind I own.  But man, mine is fun to ride.  My legs still get a good workout; it's just that I can ride faster and hills are much easier to manage.

I am not so sure you can escape the cost of crude as the cost of electricity has also increased everywhere.
That would depend on how often and how far you ride it, but I'd be willing to bet that any e-bike or scooter would save you a ton of money in fuel costs alone.  Depending on those factors I mentioned and your weight, you don't have to recharge them after every ride and they don't use up a whole lot of electricity anyway.
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We already have one here, and yeah scooter will be another alternative, but what we used is called E-Bike.



Unfortunately, it's a Chinese made and I didn't buy it brand new, so I have to buy a new battery. So far it has done it's share for me and my family. But Electric Scooter is also prevalent here as well, people used it when they go to office.
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As for scooters and bicycles, it may be because they don't use as much energy, but about electric cars I doubt it very much. The cost of electricity has also risen a lot recently and you have to think that as combustion cars are replaced by electric cars, the demand for electricity will grow, therefore, the more demand (assuming an equal or lower supply) the price will grow.

In the USA there are almost 300 million cars. Imagine that in a few years these cars will all be electric. Do you know the increase in demand that this would imply?



Internal combustion engines in automobiles are around 10% to 15% efficient at converting fuel into usable energy.

Power plants which power electrical grids can achieve 30% to 40% efficiency at converting fuel to electricity. (Some carry an advantage of not needing fossil fuels and simply using natural steam vents, wind or sunlight as an energy source.)

While a transition to electrical power may shift the burden of energy generation to grids. Overall power consumption may be reduced thanks to the higher efficiency.

Electric motors are also more energy efficient in contrast to internal combustion engines and have built in energy scavenging in the form of regenerative braking.

Overall demand will diminish. But what is really needed to make a switch to EVs optimal is more people switching to an offgrid format where they generate more of their own power. And better batteries with better storage capacity and longevity. Most expect governments and states to spearhead the movement to improve grid infrastructure. But things would go much better, if people took the matter into their own hands and looked for ways to make themselves more energy independent on their own time.
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Best is to use these and manual transport like cycling or walking, a bit of running, jogging etc, I guess with not only we save more money on it, we also boost our health a lot which is a win win situation Smiley plus, maybe in future prices of these will rise significantly as cost of gas and oil might go out of the general middle class family and it might be a good investment as well!
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The main drawback to electric scooters is safety...

A relative of mine recently had an accident. He was on a motorcycle and a car hit him when he came out of a traffic light, at low speed, but he has broken several ribs and other bones in his body. His life is not in danger but a long recovery awaits him. If he had been on a car instead of a motorcycle, he would not have suffered any physical damage due to the low speed.

The problem with riding a motorcycle is that the bodywork is your body.

Perhaps electric scooters, bicycles and EVs can be a good investment in the near future, should oil prices continue to rise?

As for scooters and bicycles, it may be because they don't use as much energy, but about electric cars I doubt it very much. The cost of electricity has also risen a lot recently and you have to think that as combustion cars are replaced by electric cars, the demand for electricity will grow, therefore, the more demand (assuming an equal or lower supply) the price will grow.

In the USA there are almost 300 million cars. Imagine that in a few years these cars will all be electric. Do you know the increase in demand that this would imply?
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The main drawback to electric scooters is safety and in many cases insurance of the vehicle. There are many statistics that will tell you that these are very prone to accidents and users tend to misuse them and ride over walkways and the like. I am not so sure you can escape the cost of crude as the cost of electricity has also increased everywhere.

Advice - if you buy one, let it not be chinesse.


In the united states, I think vehicles with an engine smaller than 50 cubic centimeters in displacement, usually do not pay insurance. That's one advantage to the 50cc moped bracket. Mopeds are fuel efficient and another good option for avoiding high gas costs.

Some US states have little or no regulation for electric scooters and bikes. There may be no insurance requirements. I think the determining factor is the watt power of the motor. In some regions a motor with less than 500 to 1,000 watts of power will require no licensing or insurance. While larger and more powerful vehicles, might be require a valid driver's license or insurance of some type.

There are accounts on youtube who buy scooters, bikes, motorcycles, mopeds and review them. Its good to check reviews there to see if someone else bought it 1st and get a reaction for what their experience was.

I think most accidents stem from people not exercising proper caution, going too fast in areas with many pedestrians. Not following the rules of the road.

Even before electric scooters became common, bicyclists have always had a difficult time with safety. Partly due to them being so quiet that people do not notice them. Many drivers listen for the sound of an engine and if they don't hear one, they assume its safe to back out of their driveway. Causing them to hit the scooter/bicycle that was moving past.

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The main drawback to electric scooters is safety and in many cases insurance of the vehicle. There are many statistics that will tell you that these are very prone to accidents and users tend to misuse them and ride over walkways and the like. I am not so sure you can escape the cost of crude as the cost of electricity has also increased everywhere.

Advice - if you buy one, let it not be chinesse.
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https://usa.banggood.com/US-DIRECT-FIEABOR-Q30-Oil-Brake-2500W-48V-16Ah-11-Inch-Electric-Scooter-55Km-or-h-Max-Speed-40-60Km-Range-100-120Kg-Max-Load-p-1934048.html

This one claims a top speed of 34 mph and range of 24 to 37 miles. Which could be satisfactory for daily commutes in cities and urban areas.

(It claims 2500 watt propulsion with 2 x 1200 watt motors on front and rear wheels, which is around 3.5 horsepower combined)

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A trailer can be attached for hauling groceries and cargo.



Solar panel trailer can be used for range extension.

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Of course, everything said here also applies to electric bicycles.

Bicycles tend to offer engines and batteries with lower power at the same cost.

Perhaps electric scooters, bicycles and EVs can be a good investment in the near future, should oil prices continue to rise?
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