Topic: One of the Darkest Days of Humanity. (includes Sensitive Image) (Read 244 times)

USA want to give control of Gaza to Palestine Authority who is just a puppet of USA and Israel. While Israel saying they won't leave Gaza after this genocide is over.
Every minute is misery for people of Gaza. I saw a video from Gaza social media activist who is saying that I don't wanna post anymore because despite posting so much about atrocities of Israel there is no help coming. So there is no benefit of showing real face of Israel to the world. Seems like whole world has no problem with these atrocities.
Meanwhile premature babies at Al Shifa hospital are moved out of incubators and placed in rooms where still there is electricity. Now most of hospital is now without electricity. Imagine the misery of those new borns, there mothers and families.
We saw the response of west on Ukarine and silence of whole world on Gaza issue. This issue also highlighted the real face of CNN, BBC and other Western media that they are not neutral but fully supporting Israel.

I've already debunked this in my previous posts but since now even the Israeli mouthpiece haaretz is confessing to the fact that it was IDF that was killing civilians, this should be updated.

And of course if that weren't enough we even have the interview of an eyewitness in the festival on the ground with the Israeli media who says it was the IDF that opened fire at them from all sides killing civilians.
https://electronicintifada.net/content/israeli-forces-shot-their-own-civilians-kibbutz-survivor-says/38861


I only hope your support of the genocide committed by Israel has been unintentional and you were only caught up in their 24/7 propaganda.
Shame on all those who knowingly and intentionally support the Israeli terrorists and spread their propaganda.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_NIsUVTb74c

The failed rocket hit an ammo storage the dickheads put next to the hospital.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYVr0lE4S9o

Another allegation without any proof.

What can you expect from these Islamists? Precision?

They are making rockets/missiles in their basements, so this is what you get.

Islamists fucked up again.

This whole region will not see peace until Israel/US eradicates ALL Islamists from the Gaza Strip and the West Bank.

The real tragedy is that the Palestinian people cannot leave these areas, no Arab/Islamic country wants them.

You still insist on giving opinion about a place that you can't even point to on the maps let alone having an understanding of the region or the people in it. All because you read some propaganda on the internet and believed it!

Take all the pictures you posted. All of them are either the aftermath (showing abandoned vehicles on the side of the road) or some people just running for reasons that are not shown in the videos and yet you call it "Hamas killing civilians". Why don't you post a single frame of the actual shootout? It is simple, that's because it would negate the propaganda!

Here is an example. The black arrow shows a Palestinian fighter and the red arrow shows an Israeli woman who is taking shelter beside him from the Israeli terrorists bullets that are flying in her direction. The source is clear on the top right side of the picture and you can find loads more there and all over the internet:


Of course the Israeli terrorist sympathizer have spread so many lies that it is hard to keep up. Trying to debunk every bullshit is not only exhausting but also pointless because the terrorists keep murdering children in Gaza while everyone is busy debunking their lies that is being spread by the brainwashed masses. By the time you debunk one, they've already spread two dozen more and by the time you debunk those they've drowned you in lies.
Here's another in case you haven't heard or decided to forget:

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At the end of the day "keyboard warriors" aren't changing anything, so I'll probably stop trying to debunk obvious lies as the information is already out there for anybody who bothers looking.
As I said elsewhere, bullets is the only language terrorists and their supporters understand. For example the two cruise missiles that USS Carney received last night in the middle of Red Sea was a better message than all the propaganda debunking on the internet combined... That's the only remaining way the Genocide can stop.

To be honest with you all, I think the internet has reached a state where I may not ever be 100% of what I am seeing or reading is true again.
Someone can post or share pictures of the victims of the Hamas attack or share pictures of the innocent civilians getting caught in the crossfire between both factions and yet, before judging what it is in front on my eyes, I need to consider the possibility of it being completely fabricated information and images.

It was way easier in the old times, wasn't it? One just needed to turn on the Television and watch the News. Not anymore, now everyone sharing information both on internet and on TV is biased...

Hamas caucus



We don't need Hamas caucus.

I've referred to the recent attack, where around 1500 Hamas fighters entered Israel on October 7, 2023. That started the recent upheaval and I hope very much, that it doesn't escalate into a big war in that region.
Unfortunately, the situation is completely messed up there and both sides hate each other. Getting into a peace deal seems to be close to impossible. It's really sad news.

Did they (Hamas) really start this war? I'd say the war has been going on for the last 80 years, ever since Rothschild started buying land there for his people to settle.
Once they did, they begun to wage wars with everyone around them. Egypt, Syria, Palestine...

I'd like to remind you that in 1939 Palestinians were already fighting against Zionists

Were these photos staged? Aren't the dead children real?
If they are real. it means the hospital was most likely damaged. The question is if it was an Israeli missile, or one fired by Hamas that failed. They often use homemade missiles that can malfunction, so I wouldn't be surprised.

Maybe Hamas just hates the internet because we can look up the information ourselves like the massacre Hamas did one week ago.
It's a shame, that this barbaric Hamas terrorist act gets denied by Hamas pawns like you. 

Not Palestinians, but the Hamas killed lots of innocent civilians - no need to deny this barbaric act.
Let's just take the Re'im music festival massacre, where Hamas killed at least 250 innocent civilians: 

       

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kumvHVGaetM

These people were there to celebrate and out of nowhere these Hamas parachute terrorists were starting to shoot down everyone they could get. What a disgusting massacre and defending that is as disgusting as it gets.
And this is just one location of Hamas terror, Hamas killed much more innocent civilians like children and women that day, the festival were "just" 250 people of the 1400+ killed that day.

No doubt, Hamas is a disgusting terrorist organisation. They are a shame for the human species.
Downplaying that means to be indirectly complicit in this Hamas murder against innocent civilians. Yes, people celebrating at a rave festival are innocent civilians.
Downplaying that means being a horrific shame.
And if someone is justifying the Hamas massacre, it's always a big support boost in favor Israel.
I don't know if Hamas is realizing that. 

I so wish I could merit this; thanks for stating facts. Israel is illegally taking land and killing palestanians for years. The media has shut up and is taking Israel side ( what a suprise ) against people trying to defend their homeland. Remember Israelis were new commers 60 years ago, where palestanians accepted them. The land is and will be of Palestanians, not terrorist invaders. The war will have only a winner; and that will be Palestanians.

Edit: Just like that commander , there are many terrorists in a "army" called IDF.


Publishing these is not propoganda, but to remind the word to not be silent.

There has been a war crime that was made. Just imagine these were your kids; and how there will be peace in the future? Just ask yourself. Before you say fake, this is taken from a video.



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Maybe you should first familiarize yourself with the regions you want to give opinion about then start speculating about what might have happened. Or maybe you are just repeating some random stuff you read on the internet!

The Palestinians didn't kill any "innocent civilians".
For starters there may be some innocent civilians in the capital of the occupied Palestine on in occupied cities like Quds, etc. But the people you see in the settlements around Gaza and West bank are armed militia strategically placed there as a proxy between Palestinians and the occupiers in the rest of the occupied land. They are handpicked men and women armed to the teeth who are categorized as extremists and regularly shoot Palestinians for fun.
These militia are part and parcel of the Israeli expansion program where they silently murder the actual innocent civilians and keep pushing forward, decreasing the size of Palestine and increasing the size of the fake "country" they built on their graves.

On October 7 the Palestinian resistance started sweeping the military bases around Gaza in the settlements and in the clash between the resistance and Israeli military and militia there was exchange of fire and it had casualties, mostly on the the Israeli side both because they have the weakest ground forces in the world and also they were caught off guard. BTW in Israel women are also part of the military.

Of course it is easy to make the mistake when you see a picture like this where an "unarmed innocent-looking" man barefoot and wearing underpants is being dragged by the neck by 2 angry armed Palestinians.


What they don't tell you is that people like this are military personnel not "innocent civilians". For example this one is the biggest terrorist there is. He is Major General Nimrod Aloni; who I believe is the commander of Israeli Defense Forces called "Depth Corps" that is designated to keep an eye on Palestinians inside Gaza and eliminate any of them that may think about joining the Resistance.

That's a goal I can 100% agree to. Any civilian casualties are always very sad, no matter on which side. A world, where we have peace and everyone is friendly is a goal we should always support, so I'm definitely on your side here.
Have a nice and peaceful day as well.  

Dear sir,

You publish photos and say look the hospital is not even bombed. This is what I get from your response, if you clarify more I would be more acknowledged about your opinion, instead of trying to prove 500
people are not dead in the hospital. Secondly you can read what I wrote again and see I am very sorry about the civilians killed in Israel since the first day; and am against any civil casualities. I repest everytime in my messages against you, to me ; no human being is greater than other, no Israeli life is greater than a Palestanian life and so on and on. If I made a wrong interpratation about you, sorry on my part; will change my tone from now on.

Have a nice day.


People like me, do not erode support for palestanians; we are against being silent against a holocaust of Palestaniens and invasion of land which is not of Israel.


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Well, what happened a week ago, when Hamas fighters went to Israeli cities? They killed innocent civilians and caused the whole recent upheaval.

You should stop spreading lies about me. I've told nowhere that "no one died" and that I would have told "civilian casualties are a hoax". I've told that nowhere.
Stop these disgusting lies about me, please.

It's sad enough, whats happening there, no need to make up things. People like you are eroding support for Palestinians.
I've supported Palestine previously here in 2022 on the forum in our German section as well and was accused of being pro Hamas. Now, Im getting attacked wird fake accusations here. If these fake accusations against me will continue here, this will just confirm the one-sided view in this issue, where crimes from Hamas doesnt matter.
That's not how you get support for the Palestinian cause.

The one i so much fear is the incident of natural disasters like tsunami, earthquake and volcano, there's no cure or remedy in this regard because everyone everywhere is being affected, this is a fight by nature and some believed that when the rate of commitments amd atrocities are higher in a particular country, they experience this as a form of purnishment and both young and old, rich or poor were being affected in this kind of disasters, lives lost are uncountable because of the magnitude of how things were being affected.

You put my mind into words, thanks for your great reply. He claim Hamas killed thousands of civilians without any proof, but tells that no hospital is bombed; what a twisted mentality. All jokes aside I am actually started getting disturbed by this view; how can someome be so immoral, and calling me out for sharing propoganda while I posted a photo from hospital garden where 1miau claims no casuality occured and is a hoax is beyond me and should be beyond any sane human being even Israelis.

It's official guys. Harry Potter has joined the Palestinian cause because according to people like this, Palestinian rockets are now magical. In the past 15 years 12000 Palestinian rockets had only killed 33 Israeli and the damage of each and every one of them were tiny like breaking some windows and putting a "boo boo" on the side of a building, damage up a car, etc.


But now Harry Potter has cast a magic on their rockets so one single "malfunctioning" one is enough to kill over a thousand people, destroying an entire (hospital) building, throwing body parts in a one block radius and at the same time brainwash thousands of other Palestinians, reporters, international aid workers, etc. that were physically close to the event to think that the rocket was an Israeli missile even fabricate the specific sound of the 1 ton MK-84 bomb they all heard.

I knew Harry Potter's magic was strong. I just didn't think it is this strong

I just don't know why they aren't using these "magical rockets" on Telaviv, Haifa, etc. to cause a similar devastation...

Also it's not like in the past 13 days we have been seeing hundreds of images like this coming out from Gaza:
It's all either Harry Potter magic or Palestinians bombing themselves...


/sarcasm_over

That certain group is calling themselves like that. Maybe it's different in Arabic language.
I'm not making up these names. 

The proof is all there, I've replied to you here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63018155

I have a grip of reality, rest assured.
Once we know how propaganda works, it's easy to spot it and you'll see who's resposible for these unnecessary casualties.
You will still learn this, so don't worry. 

Have a nice and peaceful day as well 

First of all I see that you have a slight 'Islamophobia' in the thread you have linked. Don't blame the religion, blame the worshippers. Not every Muslim is a terrorist and not one of those civilian babies kids women and men are terrorists; they deserve to live in the land they are born. They deserve to have a social life, education, marry and create a family themselves and get old. They are all dead.

I don't value Israeli life more than any other life unlike you. However I am sad that on this age of social media, you still believe the western media crap that is brainwashing you everyday. I am not surprised on Germany's or Germans' side in this; you owe Jews huge apology that will last for centuries, I don't even believe you can be against them if they killed Germans in Israel. Anyways off topic;

I see you didn't even search what a field hospital is, that is everywhere in Gaza because of people fearing their and their families' lives; they refuge in field hospitals to get treatment for babies, food for kids, health for their elderlies. These are usually formed around hospital buildings to get aid quickly and according to international war laws; hospitals are off-limits. Well, was since yesterday. I condemn everyone who has a part in this, including the people who play the three monkey against all this babies dying and calling it propoganda. Shame on you! You are in delusion about this hospital and the accident; go open a tv, watch news; have some moral!

My Los Angeles example was to show how your comments are seen by other people in this forum who have a slight bit of a moral and straight mind.

I also thank you for your wishes of the conflict to be settled peacefully, I am a Turkish person, however I can feel the pain of other countries' kids dying murderously. It seems like you don't since you still say Islamic Jihadists or bs. This post was created by me to show people the realness and reality of the war going on. Not pick sides. You turned this topic to shame Hamas; I don't approve Hamas' attack on Israel; and I also am sad about the lost civilian lives in Israel; unlike you.

You have zero proof and even satirical claims that have no back up; and calling real proof with images, a propoganda.

Get a grip of reality. The blood of those kids are in the hands of people who stay silent to this Genocide.

Have a nice day as well sir'

Yes, I'm not a professional in terror and I don't need to be one because it's well visible that the hospital is NOT destroyed.
How could 500 people die in the hospital, if the hospital is still intact? You can see, 500 people dead is a lie and propaganda by Hamas (because such bullshit propaganda works for Hamas as you can see how many believe this Hamas lie). It's now debunked but people still parrot the lie.
The evidence is all there, hospital still intact. KUDOS to our decentralized OSINT community for calling out Hamas for lying.

Simply, this isn't true what you wrote:

The hospital is not damaged at all as you can see in the picures.



Say thanks to Islamic Jihad for this bullshit.


You should really watch your words dude because all of your bullshit is a lie! Hamas is the one who's trying to abuse these dead people for their propaganda by falsely accusing israel WITHOUT ANY PROOF. Now, that israel has provided proof that it's not an israeli rocket hit, you still don't admit this but you spread accusations against me.
Hamas claimed 500 people dead from israeli rocket bombing in hospital and from what we can see in the picure it's not true at all, it's propaganda.
That's exactly how these dipshit Hamas terrorist are trying to fabricate propaganda. They are using their own civilians as a human shield, which is such a disgusting thing but you are defending them. Big shame!

Yes, it's sad what happened there and any civilian killed there is a big pity and that's why I'm against lying about that what happened there. We need to tell the truth.
Why is Hamas even firing missiles so closely near their own hospital?


I'm just criticizing wrong claims.
If you believe, my post is off-topic, report it.  


I've claimed that nowhere.  

Like you, I'm against civilian casualties but I'm also against propaganda because propaganda is inciting hate and makes it difficult to find a peaceful solution for this conflict. And when there's a lie pushed so massively, of course I will point to the truth, backed by proof.
Have a nice day and hopefully, this conflict will be settled peacefully.  

Well I read everything you wrote; keep in mind you are not a professional in terror and security policies; where everyone around the world KNOWS Hamas or another Jihadi Group does not own this type of air missile.

Keep in mind did I write who did this in my thread ? No. You seem so aggressive and defensive about this topic and calling it propoganda. Have some humanity. There is civilian deaths here, have some morals behind that keyboard.

Secondly, do you even know what 'Sahra Hospital' means? You don't, because you are in your comfy bed watching tv in your European Country where I and many others live in the Middle East; you don't even know how Middle East is right now. This hospital refuged people who ran away from war to be secure; it opened it's gardens to children and women to play and sleep. This is a usual procedure you Westerners don't know that is happening in every bombed Middle Eastern Nation. Children and women sleep on the floor of hospitals to avoid missiles. There is even a video of children playing in the very same day of the night the attack occurred.

You bluntly trying to even prove this attack didn't happen in this first place is inhumane and really disturbing.

Lastly; I didn't even said Israel or Hamas did this; you are attacking to me and defensing Israel is out of topic.

So, you claim this photos are from Los Angeles California, in a film stage; staged against Israel? I'm not joking; your logic is a lot ironic than this sentence.

EuroNews:





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This is what 'Field Hospital' looks like; you can see the dead bodies inside that in my previous photo; please don't attack on people with false propoganda yourself before claiming I am doing one.

Could we please stop spreading unproven propaganda?
First, there is valid proof that the incident wasn't an israeli rocket fired on that hospital but instead a misfired rocket from a group close to Hamas, called Islamic Jihad. See my post here.
Second, there is valid proof that the Al Ahli Hospital didn't even got destroyed a tiny bit, just a parking lot nearby:


Destroyed parking lot in the front, intact hospital in the background                                          view from the front

History in image; doesn't matter which side you are on this day remarks one of the worst days of humanity in modern history.

Press conferance of a doctor in Gaza after hospital bombing. (verified image from Turkish Ministry of Health)