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January 04, 2022, 03:38:23 PM
#60
Being no owner isn't a problem it's a feature and if you can't trust decentralized then don't use decentralized coins.I think just you are not ready for decentralized ,you are only responsible for your coins if you lost it or got scam it's on you and I also doubt that centralized coins would take complaints.
Bitcoin is not a business, it is peer to peer payment system.And why would any one be responsible if they made more profit its doesnt make any sense, if you invested at a wrong time it's your fault you should have done some research, why are you looking someone to complain,if it's your fault that you lost your money.It's same for any other investment.
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December 17, 2021, 02:37:38 AM
#59
i am questioning myself and laughing as this @OP start this thread with his question.
@OP i really need to ask only one simple question. why are you here? Cry Cry
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December 16, 2021, 01:53:45 PM
#58
Bitcoin is very decentralised that you can buy bitcoin investing or holding don't follow any rulse.You can get profit from it.Decentralison coin never be stable. It pump and dump both can happen naturally. You have to mentally prepared for it.I hope bitcoin will be development more in future.
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Duelbits
December 16, 2021, 08:01:36 AM
#57
okay basically you are complaining about if something happens to your assets, you are confused about who to complain to.
First you know that if it has no owner and when something happens for example you make a mistake in a transaction or your assets in your wallet are hacked or something else, it's not someone else's fault or bitcoin but it's your own negligence which is not true. in keeping your assets.
other than that if you feel this is very detrimental, I think you should release bitcoin from the start because you are already uncomfortable there, so why force it.
you make a complaint about this but you also still have assets there.
it's just a waste of time friends
Simply, if you want to keep bitcoin in your wallet, then be responsible of it and ensure its security and make it free from hackers all the time. I guess that won't be hard to do if you will do your part the best you can. But if you cannot bear the consequences on keeping your bitcoin into your own wallet, then put it in a reputable exchange. But i think once you do it, there will be more chances to steal your bitcoin as you don't have the full control on it and hackers will always find ways to succeed on their own jobs no matter how reputable and smart the exchange is.
that's the important point.
You must learn to be responsible for managing and maintaining the assets we have.
This is a dangerous place and it is a big mistake if anyone says that here is the easiest and most instant place to find wealth.
you have to look at the deeper side of it, one of which is indeed maintaining the assets you have.
when you are careless and lose the assets we have, then don't blame other people or the bitcoins but blame yourself for never being serious and careless in maintaining your assets.
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December 16, 2021, 05:57:09 AM
#56
Bitcoin is different from centralized currency which you can start investing and start making money from it without follow the rules and procedure that guided the currency. Before investing money on bitcoin you must have a good experience about bitcoin rules and how to buy bitcoin when the price is low and hold until the price move higher before you can sell to make profit. Once you disobey the rules of bitcoin by exposing your personal details to public, it will be difficult for you to believe that bitcoin is real in the community. There are many platform you can lay your complaint and within 5 seconds there will be respond to you and the problem will be solve immediately.
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December 15, 2021, 06:59:16 PM
#55
okay basically you are complaining about if something happens to your assets, you are confused about who to complain to.
First you know that if it has no owner and when something happens for example you make a mistake in a transaction or your assets in your wallet are hacked or something else, it's not someone else's fault or bitcoin but it's your own negligence which is not true. in keeping your assets.
other than that if you feel this is very detrimental, I think you should release bitcoin from the start because you are already uncomfortable there, so why force it.
you make a complaint about this but you also still have assets there.
it's just a waste of time friends
Simply, if you want to keep bitcoin in your wallet, then be responsible of it and ensure its security and make it free from hackers all the time. I guess that won't be hard to do if you will do your part the best you can. But if you cannot bear the consequences on keeping your bitcoin into your own wallet, then put it in a reputable exchange. But i think once you do it, there will be more chances to steal your bitcoin as you don't have the full control on it and hackers will always find ways to succeed on their own jobs no matter how reputable and smart the exchange is.
For noobs who do lost up money because of their error or simply their carelessness then its no surprise that they would really took the blame into bitcoin which isnt really
right at all. Security itself would really matter on someones own step and common sense and its not possible on breaching or exploiting out in talks of technical aspects.
One problem i do see with Btc is about regulation.

People look for something to blame once they lost for what they think that they will earn huge money on certain options like this but I'm sure many got learn from experience that being aggressive to hold is sometimes bad that's why newbies on trading should know on when the exact time for them to exit and gather their profits.

I also see that regulation is bit problem but what I think the major issue there is the volatility since no sometimes many got skeptical about that situation that's why sometimes bitcoin call as ponzi schemes when bitcoin price drop badly what they didn't expect.
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December 15, 2021, 05:11:58 PM
#54
okay basically you are complaining about if something happens to your assets, you are confused about who to complain to.
First you know that if it has no owner and when something happens for example you make a mistake in a transaction or your assets in your wallet are hacked or something else, it's not someone else's fault or bitcoin but it's your own negligence which is not true. in keeping your assets.
other than that if you feel this is very detrimental, I think you should release bitcoin from the start because you are already uncomfortable there, so why force it.
you make a complaint about this but you also still have assets there.
it's just a waste of time friends
Simply, if you want to keep bitcoin in your wallet, then be responsible of it and ensure its security and make it free from hackers all the time. I guess that won't be hard to do if you will do your part the best you can. But if you cannot bear the consequences on keeping your bitcoin into your own wallet, then put it in a reputable exchange. But i think once you do it, there will be more chances to steal your bitcoin as you don't have the full control on it and hackers will always find ways to succeed on their own jobs no matter how reputable and smart the exchange is.
For noobs who do lost up money because of their error or simply their carelessness then its no surprise that they would really took the blame into bitcoin which isnt really
right at all. Security itself would really matter on someones own step and common sense and its not possible on breaching or exploiting out in talks of technical aspects.
One problem i do see with Btc is about regulation.It would always be having that kind of advantage into those people who
do really mind off about decentralization and anonymity.
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December 15, 2021, 04:52:55 PM
#53
okay basically you are complaining about if something happens to your assets, you are confused about who to complain to.
First you know that if it has no owner and when something happens for example you make a mistake in a transaction or your assets in your wallet are hacked or something else, it's not someone else's fault or bitcoin but it's your own negligence which is not true. in keeping your assets.
other than that if you feel this is very detrimental, I think you should release bitcoin from the start because you are already uncomfortable there, so why force it.
you make a complaint about this but you also still have assets there.
it's just a waste of time friends
Simply, if you want to keep bitcoin in your wallet, then be responsible of it and ensure its security and make it free from hackers all the time. I guess that won't be hard to do if you will do your part the best you can. But if you cannot bear the consequences on keeping your bitcoin into your own wallet, then put it in a reputable exchange. But i think once you do it, there will be more chances to steal your bitcoin as you don't have the full control on it and hackers will always find ways to succeed on their own jobs no matter how reputable and smart the exchange is.
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December 15, 2021, 02:25:08 PM
#52
It has no owner if something happens who do i complain ?
If something not right with eth i can complain to V Butern
Right now the owner might be of btc GRAYSCALE so the Micheal Sonnershein the Satoshi Ceo of company.
Second question who will guarantee my btc safety ?
I trust exchangers as i trust people who are well known
But i think we not ready for decentralized finances as someone got to give out guarantees.
Right now the biggest shareholders are arkinvest and grayscale so i guess they should also have more liability and responsebility as tgey got more profit of dumps and pumps as they are biggest ones so they can manipulate with prices but still btc needs owner the company who will be responseble for all
I guess we can send complains about btc to him.

My grandfather said if no responsebility of person then no assurence of great business.
that's why adaption is more important so that the price of bitcoin will keep moving forward. If i were you keep in touch to some news around the internet so that you know as well what's happening to it.  And who said no one can control in it? Did you not heard about whales? When the price is at the top and bitcoin plunges it's because of them fyi. But as you can see bitcoin still recovering from the dip its because investors keep buying as well when it going to the cheaper price. So it will not last mate.. Just think how buy low and sell high is working, perhaps it can help you to understand that this kind of creation is for life time not a temporary like those shitcoins.. Lol
legendary
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December 15, 2021, 01:13:46 PM
#51
While the op's weird and I get why many here don't take it seriously, I think it points to an important point that might become an obstacle for direct adoption of Bitcoin. Namely, people don't like responsibility and are feeling comfortable in the world of fiat and banks where it's not their job to worry about inflation, volatility, and security of their funds.

To be honest, we still have to question what kind of adoption we're hoping to see.  It might be a controversial stance to take, but some obstacles and barriers might actually be healthy.  I'd rather not see people adopting Bitcoin just for the sake of it.  Particularly if they're just going to use it in a way it wasn't intended to be used.  If they can't take responsibility for their own actions and make a mistake, where do you think they will assign the blame?  They're just going to come away with a bad experience and then proceed to alienate others against Bitcoin, all because they were using it wrong. 

I'll always fight to ensure it's a system which remains open to all who might need it, but at the same time, I don't assume that all do, in fact, need it.  Some don't.

I make a point of not telling everyone I meet that Bitcoin will be of benefit to them.  That would be misleading.  Some people genuinely don't have a use for what's on offer here.  We shouldn't be pressuring such people into using something they aren't ready for.  It's also generally not the best idea to make compromises to something which serves a particular function well, in order to make it more appealing to a different audience and to perform other functions.  You risk diluting the very essence of what makes it good. 
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December 15, 2021, 12:23:32 PM
#50
While the op's weird and I get why many here don't take it seriously, I think it points to an important point that might become an obstacle for direct adoption of Bitcoin. Namely, people don't like responsibility and are feeling comfortable in the world of fiat and banks where it's not their job to worry about inflation, volatility, and security of their funds. That's why I still think it's a great unexplored niche to provide crypto insurance services, and why custodial wallets are likely to be preferable for the majority of newbies, as long as they're provided by the government or some huge company that they trust. It gives a fake sense of safety that, while usually being an illusion, still helps avoid potential anxiety over responsibility for one's money.
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Duelbits
December 15, 2021, 12:19:29 PM
#49
okay basically you are complaining about if something happens to your assets, you are confused about who to complain to.
First you know that if it has no owner and when something happens for example you make a mistake in a transaction or your assets in your wallet are hacked or something else, it's not someone else's fault or bitcoin but it's your own negligence which is not true. in keeping your assets.
other than that if you feel this is very detrimental, I think you should release bitcoin from the start because you are already uncomfortable there, so why force it.
you make a complaint about this but you also still have assets there.
it's just a waste of time friends
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December 15, 2021, 11:32:59 AM
#48
Bitcoin doesn't need you, it will continue to grow without the complaints you posted today. There are no guarantees on the bitcoins you hold. it is the responsibility of each. Cryptocurrencies are decentralized, so no one regulates them unless you are the holder.
One problem you raise and complain about will become a thousand more problems if you don't understand what you have.
There will be no place to Complain Official of bitcoin LOL. Tongue
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December 14, 2021, 10:53:09 PM
#47
The only one who can manage your Bitcoins is you, you can't ask someone else to do it. Learn to be more responsible for the mistakes you make instead of running to others. In this cryptocurrency we all need a process there are times where you will experience losses and there are times when you will get profits. You have to be mentally prepared for this, don't eat your emotions and sell it at a cheap price, you will regret it later.
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December 14, 2021, 06:32:35 PM
#46
It has no owner if something happens who do i complain ?
If something not right with eth i can complain to V Butern
Right now the owner might be of btc GRAYSCALE so the Micheal Sonnershein the Satoshi Ceo of company.
Second question who will guarantee my btc safety ?
I trust exchangers as i trust people who are well known
But i think we not ready for decentralized finances as someone got to give out guarantees.
Right now the biggest shareholders are arkinvest and grayscale so i guess they should also have more liability and responsebility as tgey got more profit of dumps and pumps as they are biggest ones so they can manipulate with prices but still btc needs owner the company who will be responseble for all
I guess we can send complains about btc to him.

My grandfather said if no responsebility of person then no assurence of great business.
What problem do you think would happen concerning BTC? I don't get your ideas behind this post as BTC is perfect and nothing is complainable about it. Its structure might miss some like having the smart contract capabilities but its main purpose of decentralisation of peer to peer payment system is perfect. There's nothing to complain about. But if you do feel, tweet about it. Maybe Satoshi will hear you. Lol.
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December 14, 2021, 05:26:54 PM
#45
You are the one who are responsible of your own assets, you own your assets, you own your key, and youown your personal important data. It means that you are the one who are responsible on that. SO, this is more interesting rather than others, right?
And about what you said, what kind of problems that you may face? Even you are in the responsible areas but you did your own mistakes, you will not get any funds back again.
And here you can manage your own by yourself, you can save and store your assets securely by your own. And you can also use or make it profits based on yourself. This is more free, mate. This is the digital era. And if you want such traditional investment, just don't be in Bitcoin, just be a piece of land around your area.
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December 14, 2021, 05:07:05 PM
#44
It's not about who owns the responsibilities of your bitcoin holdings when something happens to your investment. Understanding the basics of bitcoin will give you a better explanation of your questions and worries. Up till now, nobody is yet to find the founder of bitcoin and you're here creating confusion for yourself of whom to complain to about bitcoin. This is a digital era, everything is electrically transmitted without involving or blaming anybody for your loss. Trading crypto is at your own risk. Bear that in mind for your good 
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December 14, 2021, 04:43:17 PM
#43
It has no owner if something happens who do i complain ?
If something not right with eth i can complain to V Butern......

My grandfather said if no responsebility of person then no assurence of great business.

Maybe you should do some more complaining about eth to butterin let's see if he can finally relief us from the high transaction fees we are currently facing, 
Btc has no own but it is working perfectly for everyone who gets involved, it has fewer transaction issues like eth, you should tell vitalik to do something,

Tell your grandad this is the 21st century and we have a decentralized space where things can run smoothly with having a single head to be responsible.

It's not wrong to listen to what our grandfather said, but what our grandfather experienced was very different from the reality of the current
world situation. We are now entering the digital era and of course there will be a change in the principles of life compared to the past. Now we must
be responsible for ourselves, therefore every decision we will make we must think carefully. Therefore if we can think that we must be responsible
for ourselves, no need for all the problems we experience have to complain to others. Because not all of our complaints are heard by others,
so it doesn't matter we can't complain to Satoshi Nakamoto as the creator of Bitcoin. Because we can be responsible for the decisions we make,
When we first decide to invest in Bitcoin, we have to be ready with all the risks that occur. Bitcoin teaches us how to take responsibility for ourselves.
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December 14, 2021, 04:08:33 PM
#42
It has no owner if something happens who do i complain ?
If something not right with eth i can complain to V Butern
Right now the owner might be of btc GRAYSCALE so the Micheal Sonnershein the Satoshi Ceo of company.
Second question who will guarantee my btc safety ?
I trust exchangers as i trust people who are well known
But i think we not ready for decentralized finances as someone got to give out guarantees.
Right now the biggest shareholders are arkinvest and grayscale so i guess they should also have more liability and responsebility as tgey got more profit of dumps and pumps as they are biggest ones so they can manipulate with prices but still btc needs owner the company who will be responseble for all
I guess we can send complains about btc to him.

My grandfather said if no responsebility of person then no assurence of great business.

LoL wat? You may complain as much as you want, Vitalik won't give a shit about your losses.

You guarantee your btc's own safety by holding it in your cold wallet.

This shit is not for retards. Take it or leave it. As simple as that.

If this is future then future is not for retards also Wink
But what about equality humanity and try to be best for everybody some people are better off to let someone else taking care of their important things.

One problem that most people cant seem wrap their head around is equality.   Their brain thinks there is such a thing.  the reality is there is No Such Thing as Equality.   its a Myth. 
Call it a evolved mental carryover from our not so long ago tribal days.

The universe Literally functions by things being unequal.   If things Were equal nothing would exist. 

Now that I have said that.  a system for making sure money Stays Moving so everyone Has Something instead of nothing is a better idea then equality. 
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December 14, 2021, 02:06:00 PM
#41
Decentralized cryptocurrency has a number of advantages and features that fundamentally distinguish it from ordinary fiat money of states. Unlike fiat money, cryptocurrency provides complete freedom, which also includes much greater freedom of action with cryptocurrency, and at the same time, the holder of the cryptocurrency is fully responsible for his actions and possible mistakes. In cryptocurrency, there are neither observers for the correctness of our actions, nor any guarantees on behalf of states or their bodies, and we need to get used to this.
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December 14, 2021, 01:39:33 PM
#40
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Your queries are like government queries. These are the things that the government tells the general public about bitcoin so that people stay away from it. All these are silly questions, but though you asked, I hope you didn't know anything about bitcoin. Here are some simple answers for you so that you can understand and clear your doubts. You know what, you will be the owner of Bitvoin if you buy it. Then you can control it on your own. You don't need to find any admin. You can also mine it. So why do you need an admin? If you have Bitvoin, you are the admin of your own bitcoin. So don't worry about admin. You know you are admin. Just relax.
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December 14, 2021, 01:07:46 PM
#39
Guys, please do not troll although OP posts something like to be a troll. Most likely OP does not have even a basic idea about Bitcoin and how it works. This is just a lack of knowledge, but definitely, OP is lazy to research. I don't know how should I answer OP. You don't need to make a complaint about truly decentralized cryptocurrency. Decentralized means there are no support, no team, no office, no staff, and nothing. The code deployed in the blockchain and has begun. No need to do anything except mining that. There are many non-custodial wallets to keep secure your funds. You don't need to trust anyone. Because you are the owner of your Bitcoin, not Satoshi. You just need to learn and spend more time researching.
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December 14, 2021, 09:02:58 AM
#38
It has no owner if something happens who do i complain ?
If something not right with eth i can complain to V Butern
Right now the owner might be of btc GRAYSCALE so the Micheal Sonnershein the Satoshi Ceo of company.
Second question who will guarantee my btc safety ?
I trust exchangers as i trust people who are well known
But i think we not ready for decentralized finances as someone got to give out guarantees.
Right now the biggest shareholders are arkinvest and grayscale so i guess they should also have more liability and responsebility as tgey got more profit of dumps and pumps as they are biggest ones so they can manipulate with prices but still btc needs owner the company who will be responseble for all
I guess we can send complains about btc to him.

My grandfather said if no responsebility of person then no assurence of great business.

Your coins, your responsibility. Technically speaking, you can't really file a complaint regarding something that doesn't seem "right" to your perspective most especially if it is only about the price fluctuations in the market because the market controls that aspect, not the founder nor developer.

BTC has no CEO. If so, it would defeat its own purpose. BTC has been made to be our own version of banks. It exists so that we can take full control of our money and not only rely upon other people or organizations to take good care of it.

You guarantee the safeness of your account. Once you enter the cryptocurrency world, you must know that no one else is to be praised or blamed other than yourself once you make actions that could either benefit or cause drawbacks to you. You are the one responsible for your account and funds. Hence, you should do your utmost ability to protect it from any possible type of hacking and scamming.
right, we ourselves must be able to maintain our account, and no one is responsible for all that. many people have experienced hacking like this, even the biggest exchange companies have experienced it, and they are themselves responsible and trying to establish their own security. I don't think this is a weakness, but a special characteristic of cryptocurrencies
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December 14, 2021, 06:52:33 AM
#37
bitcoin is like a suitcase of cash. . your responsibility to secure it and not just palm it off to some stranger you found interesting to take responsibility

in fiat. although a government patented the design of the printing plates of paper cash. you dont just approach the patent office asking for a refund or change of design because you handed your cash to a stranger and the stranger refused to give it back. nor do you complain about making a bad bet on a gambling site or on the markets(thats not how the world works)

the government wont change the cash printing plates design or give a refund just because you made a foolish mistake.

you could try and seek guidance from specialists that investigate thefts and hope an investigation leads to finding the culprit, and then the cash. but thats the police/court system. not the cash design/printing(mint) responsibility.
and the investigation approach is only as good as the evidence YOU can provide them for them to even have a chance of following up with the criminal.

as for making a bad gamble/market order. the gambling site or market wont refund bad mistakes made by customers.

if there was a proper bug/issue with the cash design/gambling/market site that risked everyones loss(not due to personal naivety). sure complain. and sure they would change the design to remove the flaw. they do this periodically anyway to fix flaws that affect everyone.

but its your responsibility to look after the security of your cash, dont put it into hands of anyone that you dont know enough about to slap them with a wet fish(court order) if they do screw you over(criminal act).

putting funds into a transparent exchange that has its own legal process to cover loses due to exchanges fault(not bad bet) of funds it has as a custodian... is still a risky choice. many do not have insurance policies or regulated laws backed by governments to ensure people get back losses caused by business flaws. and many exchanges just end up filing bankruptcy so expectations of returns is low even if you did send them to court.

its like banks. if the bank loses your money. they have transparent policies, but even then. they can file bankruptcy and rely on their regulated insurance to pay out a certain amount to all customers(not all).
but if you withdrew cash and then handed it to some stranger. your stuck. and you have to hope the police/court can slap the criminal(if they can find them). even wire transfers to criminals is no guarantee a bank will help.

bitcoin exchanges insurance policy are not as regulated as fiat bank insurance policy. so be careful when trusting others with your funds even when they appear legit and 'regulated'.

your funds, your responsibility
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December 14, 2021, 05:43:47 AM
#36
It has no owner if something happens who do i complain ?
If something not right with eth i can complain to V Butern
Right now the owner might be of btc GRAYSCALE so the Micheal Sonnershein the Satoshi Ceo of company.
Second question who will guarantee my btc safety ?
I trust exchangers as i trust people who are well known
But i think we not ready for decentralized finances as someone got to give out guarantees.
Right now the biggest shareholders are arkinvest and grayscale so i guess they should also have more liability and responsebility as tgey got more profit of dumps and pumps as they are biggest ones so they can manipulate with prices but still btc needs owner the company who will be responseble for all
I guess we can send complains about btc to him.

My grandfather said if no responsebility of person then no assurence of great business.

Your coins, your responsibility. Technically speaking, you can't really file a complaint regarding something that doesn't seem "right" to your perspective most especially if it is only about the price fluctuations in the market because the market controls that aspect, not the founder nor developer.

BTC has no CEO. If so, it would defeat its own purpose. BTC has been made to be our own version of banks. It exists so that we can take full control of our money and not only rely upon other people or organizations to take good care of it.

You guarantee the safeness of your account. Once you enter the cryptocurrency world, you must know that no one else is to be praised or blamed other than yourself once you make actions that could either benefit or cause drawbacks to you. You are the one responsible for your account and funds. Hence, you should do your utmost ability to protect it from any possible type of hacking and scamming.
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December 14, 2021, 04:54:30 AM
#35
~snip~
OP, are you afraid of losing bitcoin or just want to say that bitcoin is no better than Ethereum?
A good business is a business whose financial management is your own and you are the main person in charge of the business. I'm not going to talk about Ethereum because it might be too centralized to discuss on the bitcoin board and I just want to let you know that your bitcoin are your money where you are the first person responsible for making it safe.

Bitcoin has a strong community and real use case as a currency and is a valuable asset that everyone is aware of. If you own bitcoin then you must ensure your bitcoin are kept in a secure wallet where you should not entrust them to any party including any exchange or service that does not give you complete control over the bitcoin. So have a secure wallet, but you can ask the community for help with your problem if it's not the biggest mistake you've ever made.

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December 14, 2021, 04:15:41 AM
#34

If something not right with eth i can complain to V Butern

My grandfather said if no responsebility of person then no assurence of great business.


 Grin Grin Grin Those really got me cranking. Are you sure you can complain to Vitalik if there is something wrong or in your words "If something not right with eth" and your issue will be attended to? Please don't tell me you didn't hear about all the complaints about the high gas fees of ethereum in the past years and you seem not to be able to tell your buddy Vitalik to resolve the issue. Welcome to the Crypto world.
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December 13, 2021, 05:00:00 PM
#33
I think you don't know the essence of being involved in crypto in the first place. I understand that you are new, I felt the same way before.
But crypto were made for people to manage their finance freely. You are the one responsible for your assets. You have to keep it safe as possible.
If you need somene like the government to complain with and regulate your finance, you should stick with fiat. We all know the risks here. No one forced you.
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December 13, 2021, 01:08:08 AM
#32
Vitalik doesn't guarantee your lost ethereum, you can complain, but the chance for him or his team to respond is very small or even non-existent. if on an exchange, the one who guarantees your assets is the owner of the exchange, but in the wallet, no one guarantees that. it's just like a wallet in the real world. when your money is lost, no one wants to replace it, not even the government will replace it.

In a business, you can't keep your assets safe, you can probably minimize them. in centralization also like that.
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December 12, 2021, 11:36:23 PM
#31
It has no owner if something happens who do i complain ?
If something not right with eth i can complain to V Butern
Right now the owner might be of btc GRAYSCALE so the Micheal Sonnershein the Satoshi Ceo of company.
Second question who will guarantee my btc safety ?
I trust exchangers as i trust people who are well known
But i think we not ready for decentralized finances as someone got to give out guarantees.
Right now the biggest shareholders are arkinvest and grayscale so i guess they should also have more liability and responsebility as tgey got more profit of dumps and pumps as they are biggest ones so they can manipulate with prices but still btc needs owner the company who will be responseble for all
I guess we can send complains about btc to him.

My grandfather said if no responsebility of person then no assurence of great business.
You are the Owner of your own Bitcoin if there is a problem for sure it is because of you then complain to yourself .

why bother anyone when you are the one who must take care of your bitcoin?

comparing this to Ethereum is the stupid idea because as If Buterin will listen to your complains lol.
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December 12, 2021, 07:59:19 PM
#30
it looks like you are not ready for decentralization because you are more likely to entrust your money to other people. It's not a bitcoin problem, it's a problem with you. If you can't adapt to bitcoin, you shouldn't even try. Why do you have to complain that obviously won't change anything when you loss
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December 12, 2021, 06:41:28 PM
#29
It's a feature, not a bug.  By design.  Bitcoin is about personal responsibility.  You need to hold yourself accountable for the mistakes you make.  Ensure your own safety.  Not everything boils down to asking others to fix things for you. 

Not everyone can handle that kind of responsibility.  If you would feel more comfortable using a centralised cryptocurrency with someone in charge who can manipulate it, you are free to go use that instead. 
This, people need to stop trying to make bitcoin something that is not, if people want a centralized party to protect their money from scams and other dangers then they are free to use banks and any other centralized institution they may like, but if they want to use bitcoin then they need to adapt to it, and if they cannot then that is fine, we understand that many people are not ready for something like bitcoin yet so they can go back to their fiat, but bitcoin must never be changed to accommodate those people, otherwise the whole reason for bitcoin to exist would be denied.
Even people do like for it to be adjusted but still it cant be technically possible and even impossible on other aspects because most of it are totally human errors just like on what they do experience on fiat system of course.

Once those people who are just new do experience these things then it would really be ending up having bad impressions which aren't
totally precise to be described on.

Cant be denied that there are flaws but it do honestly outweighs its cons by its pros.
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December 12, 2021, 06:03:29 PM
#28
It's a feature, not a bug.  By design.  Bitcoin is about personal responsibility.  You need to hold yourself accountable for the mistakes you make.  Ensure your own safety.  Not everything boils down to asking others to fix things for you. 

Not everyone can handle that kind of responsibility.  If you would feel more comfortable using a centralised cryptocurrency with someone in charge who can manipulate it, you are free to go use that instead. 
This, people need to stop trying to make bitcoin something that is not, if people want a centralized party to protect their money from scams and other dangers then they are free to use banks and any other centralized institution they may like, but if they want to use bitcoin then they need to adapt to it, and if they cannot then that is fine, we understand that many people are not ready for something like bitcoin yet so they can go back to their fiat, but bitcoin must never be changed to accommodate those people, otherwise the whole reason for bitcoin to exist would be denied.
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December 12, 2021, 05:19:32 PM
#27
Complaining to Vitalik Buterin if you make losses with your Ethereum will not resolve your issues except for technical issues involving the project development. But looking at Bitcoin you own your coin and have full control of how you use and manage it and it's anonymous nature is working even more perfect compared to when it's founders identity was revealed I think it's find the identity of Bitcoin remains anonymous
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December 12, 2021, 05:10:07 PM
#26
It has no owner if something happens who do i complain ?
You are the owner of your Bitcoin, it wasn't created for anyone to own it or there be a middle man in the first place. The Bitcoin is solely yours, now what ever you do with it that leads to complications and a problem is mostly caused by you or holders mostly popular mistakes are
+ Carelessness with details/informations
+ Keeping bitcoin or crypto-currency on Exchanges
+ Insensitivity to scams
+ Greed investing roughly
And so much most time the Bitcoin isn't the cause of the problem rather the holder is.

let's admit that most of the time some people want someone to be held liable for their mistakes. so yeah, some are looking for ownership thing so when they screwed up, they can blame someone. but if you get the bottom of it, it is the user himself that put him into the situation.
it is not a problem per se but that's actually advantage if you look at it. you are in control of your own coins. so the responsibility is on your hands not someone else's. this is why a lot of people are still sticking to banks, because they want other third party to take care of their funds.
here in crypto, you are the one taking care of your business.
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December 12, 2021, 05:02:10 PM
#25
It has no owner if something happens who do i complain ?
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Second question who will guarantee my btc safety ?
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That is the main point. You are solely responsible for the security of your bitcoins. That is why it is called a decentralized currency. Since Bitcoins are distributed without the control of any central authority, they are not issued by a government, a bank or any other entity. If you consider this a downside of cryptocurrency, then you should stick to fiat.
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December 12, 2021, 04:14:32 PM
#24
At first what reason which made us to complain. Price dumped then it is our loss because risk is on our own. Bitcoin got stolen, it is our fault how we can trapped into something that can harmed for us, or maybe we put money on exchange when we know it has risk too. I think in this kind of investment, just make sure ourself is already secured. Only us who can help ourself.
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December 12, 2021, 12:28:14 PM
#23
Maybe Bitcoin has no problem.
Could it be that you're the problem ?
Seems your level of insecurities is high, you lack patience, I believe you'll be one of those running temperature due to the price of Bitcoin.
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December 12, 2021, 12:12:21 PM
#22
It has no owner if something happens who do i complain ?
You are the owner of your Bitcoin, it wasn't created for anyone to own it or there be a middle man in the first place. The Bitcoin is solely yours, now what ever you do with it that leads to complications and a problem is mostly caused by you or holders mostly popular mistakes are
+ Carelessness with details/informations
+ Keeping bitcoin or crypto-currency on Exchanges
+ Insensitivity to scams
+ Greed investing roughly
And so much most time the Bitcoin isn't the cause of the problem rather the holder is.
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December 12, 2021, 11:35:21 AM
#21
If you use centralized services like exchanges, you can sue the owners in case you lose your coins for a mistake commited by them. Due to regulations crypto universe isn't a lawless land anymore. People making business in this environment have responsabilities with their customers that can't be neglected, under the risk of facing the court of the country where they are registered and operating.
We have a gift from satoshi, Bitcoin with it we can have our own banks, each for every of us, ONLY if we know how to do it
  • Choose non custodial wallet
  • Verify it
  • Back up private key or mnemonic seed
  • Make sure you store backups safely and totally secretly
  • Make sure you check validity and usability of your backup

If you think what I wrote above is non-sense, please read

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But if the mistake was commited by you, like sending your coins to a wrong address or forgetting your password there is no one to blame besides yourself.
Bitcoin transaction is irreversible so we can not blame on anyone if we do mistakenly transactions.

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December 12, 2021, 11:24:33 AM
#20
If you use centralized services like exchanges, you can sue the owners in case you lose your coins for a mistake commited by them. Due to regulations crypto universe isn't a lawless land anymore. People making business in this environment have responsabilities with their customers that can't be neglected, under the risk of facing the court of the country where they are registered and operating.

But if the mistake was commited by you, like sending your coins to a wrong address or forgetting your password there is no one to blame besides yourself.
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December 12, 2021, 08:14:33 AM
#19
OP, Who told you that if something happens to your ETH, you can complain to Vitalik Buterin. Right now, you can find thousands of people who constantly have complaints about their wallets being emptied by social hacks, there are issues with even the best wallets like Metamask. What someone is making you sign cannot be understood if you don't know how to read smart contracts.

People have lost millions because of bug exploits in DeFi code. They couldn't really complain to anybody. There have been no such exploits in Bitcoin. The only way you can lose your money in Bitcoin is through not taking enough precautions. As far as having trusted third parties that your grandfather will call "responsible", there indeed are such parties for Bitcoin which will keep your Bitcoin in custody for you. If that is the kind of assurance you want, you can easily have it in Bitcoin.

This is still something that you won't have in Ethereum, Alt-coins or the tens of other chains and projects. There are rug pulls and daily scams and people lose a lot of money. None of that happens on Bitcoin. So, really, the premise of your question is wrong. There is nothing else safer than Bitcoin. And there are enough "responsible" third parties, if you are into that sort of thing.
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December 12, 2021, 08:01:44 AM
#18
OP,I'm not going to discuss the stuff that you are posting/spamming around the forum lately.
There's no point wasting my time and effort for this.
You remind me of another forum member,who was spamming the forum,shitting all over Bitcoin while praising stablecoins a few months ago.Unfortunately I forgot his username.
The chances of you being that guy using another forum account seem pretty high.
I don't understand the point of spamming the forum with low quality posts and shitting over Bitcoin.
Do you get any benefit out of this?


At a guess he is spreading FUD to support another coin. Running around pointing out non issues with BTC that this other magical coin will fix.
He will not actually post about the other coin, some other user will pop in and say what about "X" and go from there.
It's a promotion tactic that has come up before.
As of now they have been here a little over a month started 23 topics made 77 posts (including those 23 topics) and earned 0 merit. It takes work to be that bad a poster.


-Dave
Maybe they're practicing a new tactics of marketing, but people are well aware of the market reality. Also they knew well, what is the responsibility of the user who holds specific asset. When one knew about the do's and don't of respective assets/coins automatically they will keep it secure. Here OP isn't ready to understand, rather than raising question for which he himself is responsible in different forms.
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December 12, 2021, 07:54:49 AM
#17
OP,I'm not going to discuss the stuff that you are posting/spamming around the forum lately.
There's no point wasting my time and effort for this.
You remind me of another forum member,who was spamming the forum,shitting all over Bitcoin while praising stablecoins a few months ago.Unfortunately I forgot his username.
The chances of you being that guy using another forum account seem pretty high.
I don't understand the point of spamming the forum with low quality posts and shitting over Bitcoin.
Do you get any benefit out of this?


At a guess he is spreading FUD to support another coin. Running around pointing out non issues with BTC that this other magical coin will fix.
He will not actually post about the other coin, some other user will pop in and say what about "X" and go from there.
It's a promotion tactic that has come up before.
As of now they have been here a little over a month started 23 topics made 77 posts (including those 23 topics) and earned 0 merit. It takes work to be that bad a poster.


-Dave
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December 12, 2021, 07:53:30 AM
#16
There are developers that you can ask what you're problems are not to mention that bitcoin wants you to be your own bank so does that mean that you're responsible for what's going to happen to your bitcoins. Plus, you shouldn't be in this space if you're not a responsible person. It's not a problem with bitcoin, it's "your" problem with bitcoin.
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December 12, 2021, 07:47:49 AM
#15
It has no owner if something happens who do i complain ?
The Bitcoin community.
Meanwhile, Satoshi leave the duties of Bitcoin into the hand of the community in other to provide true decentralization and equality. However, this is the reason why most crypto enthusiast trusted Bitcoin than every other crypto we have in the market.

Second question who will guarantee my btc safety?
Yourself. This is the reason why knowledge play the vital roles in crypto currency investment.

I trust exchangers as i trust people who are well known
But i think we not ready for decentralized finances as someone got to give out guarantees.
Right now the biggest shareholders are arkinvest and grayscale so i guess they should also have more liability and responsebility as tgey got more profit of dumps and pumps as they are biggest ones so they can manipulate with prices
assurence of great business.
Every investment setting is manipulated by the HumpBack whale but people only focus mostly on crypto because it a volatile market.



but still btc needs owner the company who will be responseble for all
I guess we can send complains about btc to him.
Bitcoin already have owner which is the holder of the private key and it doesn't need a new one.
You can send complain about Bitcoin on here which is what you are doing right now through your question.



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December 12, 2021, 07:33:02 AM
#14
OP,I'm not going to discuss the stuff that you are posting/spamming around the forum lately.
There's no point wasting my time and effort for this.
You remind me of another forum member,who was spamming the forum,shitting all over Bitcoin while praising stablecoins a few months ago.Unfortunately I forgot his username.
The chances of you being that guy using another forum account seem pretty high.
I don't understand the point of spamming the forum with low quality posts and shitting over Bitcoin.
Do you get any benefit out of this?
mk4
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December 12, 2021, 04:34:23 AM
#13
Despite being 10+ years old, Bitcoin is still pretty young and things to make Bitcoiners' lives easier are being built. But regardless, people who really need bitcoin are incentivized to learn how to secure their funds — I mean, if someone holds their life savings in bitcoin, it's totally idiotic to be careless.

Also, you should stop looking at Bitcoin as mainly a "business". If you think that Bitcoin exist solely to make us money, then you totally miss the point.
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December 12, 2021, 03:19:03 AM
#12
It has no owner if something happens who do i complain ?
to yourself, for fucking it up.

If something not right with eth i can complain to V Butern
good for you

Right now the owner might be of btc GRAYSCALE so the Micheal Sonnershein the Satoshi Ceo of company.
Huh?

Second question who will guarantee my btc safety ?
you

I trust exchangers as i trust people who are well known
good for you, but just because a certain person is well known doesn't mean they should be trusted.

But i think we not ready for decentralized finances as someone got to give out guarantees.
why is it that there are people who think that there should always be someone who is in charge of something?

Right now the biggest shareholders are arkinvest and grayscale so i guess they should also have more liability and responsebility as tgey got more profit of dumps and pumps as they are biggest ones so they can manipulate with prices but still btc needs owner the company who will be responseble for all
I guess we can send complains about btc to him.
go ahead, no one will be stopping you from complaining to them. just don't be disappointed if they ignored you.
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December 12, 2021, 02:41:21 AM
#11
Just to be clear. When you invest in something, you should know the risk. Unfortunately, in bitcoin or other coins, you can not complain to the developer if something is not right but you can ask them why that is happening.

When you decide to invest in bitcoin, you have a responsibility to bitcoin, no matter if the price increases or decrease. You will not complain if the price is increased, but I am sure you will complain if the price is decreased because that is human nature to complain to any people about something that they do not like.

It is easy. If you do not know where to complain, you can avoid investing in bitcoin and never touch bitcoin. Not because you see bitcoin price increases and you want to make a profit but that is because you will have a risk to see the price is up and down in the future because bitcoin has a high risk and high volatility.

Bitcoin is for those who can handle the risk better than others because your funds will be your responsibility.
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December 12, 2021, 02:19:48 AM
#10
It has no owner if something happens who do i complain ?
If something not right with eth i can complain to V Butern
Right now the owner might be of btc GRAYSCALE so the Micheal Sonnershein the Satoshi Ceo of company.
Second question who will guarantee my btc safety ?
I trust exchangers as i trust people who are well known
But i think we not ready for decentralized finances as someone got to give out guarantees.
Right now the biggest shareholders are arkinvest and grayscale so i guess they should also have more liability and responsebility as tgey got more profit of dumps and pumps as they are biggest ones so they can manipulate with prices but still btc needs owner the company who will be responseble for all
I guess we can send complains about btc to him.

My grandfather said if no responsebility of person then no assurence of great business.
Look, the cryptocurrency space is not cut out for everyone. Do you think that we all have to believe in the same thing for it to work? just because you cannot hold someone responsible if something goes wrong with your investment does not make it fake or worthless. If you believe that  Vitalik can answer your complaints about ETH  Grin then go for ETH it is also a great investment after all. The bottom line is if you are not comfortable with what it is, don't invest cos nobody will guarantee you stake.
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December 12, 2021, 01:13:27 AM
#9
But what about equality humanity and try to be best for everybody some people are better off to let someone else taking care of their important things.
If you are better off letting banks take care of your important stuffs, then by all means you can do that. No one is compelled to get into bitcoin and hold it and bitcoin's protocol would not change cause of trolls. What you see now is what you get; It is built on a permissionless network and is a decentralized asset, giving the holder full control, without the need for a third party.


It has no owner if something happens who do i complain ?
If you hold the keys, you own the coin. that is the only form of ownership that exists with bitcoin. If something goes wrong, you learn from your mistakes and rue your loss.
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December 12, 2021, 12:51:37 AM
#8
If something not right with eth i can complain to V Butern
Even though the statement is a dumb one but I'm glad that even trolls admit that ETH is a centralized shitcoin.

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I trust exchangers as i trust people who are well known
But i think we not ready for decentralized finances as someone got to give out guarantees.
You can only speak for yourself. YOU aren't ready for decentralized finance, the rest of us who have adopted bitcoin have been ready for it and have been using it for about 12 years now.

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My grandfather said if no responsebility of person then no assurence of great business.
Bitcoin is a currency or a payment system not a business.

P.S. Nobody is putting a gun to your head forcing you to use bitcoin, you chose to be here!!!
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December 11, 2021, 11:02:02 AM
#7
Why does a decentralized system need centralization? There are many other investment options.

Do you think if the bank steals money, the CEO will give it to you?) In some countries there is a guaranteed insurance program for deposits, but it also does not work perfectly. In the real world, you can sue for 10-15 years and you won't get your money back. The best way to protect money is the mind, not a third person who can be sued.

Keep your money in a sock under your bed.
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December 11, 2021, 10:48:47 AM
#6
It's a feature, not a bug.  By design.  Bitcoin is about personal responsibility.  You need to hold yourself accountable for the mistakes you make.  Ensure your own safety.  Not everything boils down to asking others to fix things for you. 

Not everyone can handle that kind of responsibility.  If you would feel more comfortable using a centralised cryptocurrency with someone in charge who can manipulate it, you are free to go use that instead. 


My grandfather said if no responsebility of person then no assurence of great business.

Then your mistake is thinking that Bitcoin is a business.  It isn't.  It's a protocol and a network which puts you in control of your wealth.  Again, the responsibility is yours.
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December 11, 2021, 09:49:52 AM
#5
So many things to process...

It has no owner if something happens who do i complain ?
To whom do you complain if something happens to your cash? Bitcoin is cash. If you lose it, it's gone. You can always address the police, though, and they may make their investigation.

If something not right with eth i can complain to V Butern
No you can't. He is not responsible for what you're doing with your ETH neither can you open a support ticket to the developing team. Haven't you heard of “Not your keys, your coins”?

Right now the owner might be of btc GRAYSCALE so the Micheal Sonnershein the Satoshi Ceo of company.
Everyone has the same rights upon Bitcoin. There's no CEO.

but still btc needs owner the company who will be responseble for all
No, it doesn't. That would make it susceptible to resistance. It's hard cash.

I guess we can send complains about btc to him.
Why should the people complain to somebody? And even if they should, to whom will that person complain to?
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December 11, 2021, 09:46:29 AM
#4
If this is future then future is not for retards also Wink

Quite right. They better use something else because they'll lose whatever they have here and when you think about it, they'll probably lose whatever they got no matter what they do.

But what about equality humanity and try to be best for everybody some people are better off to let someone else taking care of their important things.

Equality, humanity these are bullshit. Nobody is equal. Grow up and learn to take care of your stuff.

A guy with dementia, 90 years old, no relatives left, who is going to give a fuck about him? Nobody.
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December 11, 2021, 09:39:50 AM
#3
It has no owner if something happens who do i complain ?
If something not right with eth i can complain to V Butern
Right now the owner might be of btc GRAYSCALE so the Micheal Sonnershein the Satoshi Ceo of company.
Second question who will guarantee my btc safety ?
I trust exchangers as i trust people who are well known
But i think we not ready for decentralized finances as someone got to give out guarantees.
Right now the biggest shareholders are arkinvest and grayscale so i guess they should also have more liability and responsebility as tgey got more profit of dumps and pumps as they are biggest ones so they can manipulate with prices but still btc needs owner the company who will be responseble for all
I guess we can send complains about btc to him.

My grandfather said if no responsebility of person then no assurence of great business.

LoL wat? You may complain as much as you want, Vitalik won't give a shit about your losses.

You guarantee your btc's own safety by holding it in your cold wallet.

This shit is not for retards. Take it or leave it. As simple as that.

If this is future then future is not for retards also Wink
But what about equality humanity and try to be best for everybody some people are better off to let someone else taking care of their important things.
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December 11, 2021, 09:36:28 AM
#2
It has no owner if something happens who do i complain ?
If something not right with eth i can complain to V Butern
Right now the owner might be of btc GRAYSCALE so the Micheal Sonnershein the Satoshi Ceo of company.
Second question who will guarantee my btc safety ?
I trust exchangers as i trust people who are well known
But i think we not ready for decentralized finances as someone got to give out guarantees.
Right now the biggest shareholders are arkinvest and grayscale so i guess they should also have more liability and responsebility as tgey got more profit of dumps and pumps as they are biggest ones so they can manipulate with prices but still btc needs owner the company who will be responseble for all
I guess we can send complains about btc to him.

My grandfather said if no responsebility of person then no assurence of great business.

LoL wat? You may complain as much as you want, Vitalik won't give a shit about your losses.

You guarantee your btc's own safety by holding it in your cold wallet.

This shit is not for retards. Take it or leave it. As simple as that.
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December 11, 2021, 09:31:58 AM
#1
It has no owner if something happens who do i complain ?
If something not right with eth i can complain to V Butern
Right now the owner might be of btc GRAYSCALE so the Micheal Sonnershein the Satoshi Ceo of company.
Second question who will guarantee my btc safety ?
I trust exchangers as i trust people who are well known
But i think we not ready for decentralized finances as someone got to give out guarantees.
Right now the biggest shareholders are arkinvest and grayscale so i guess they should also have more liability and responsebility as tgey got more profit of dumps and pumps as they are biggest ones so they can manipulate with prices but still btc needs owner the company who will be responseble for all
I guess we can send complains about btc to him.

My grandfather said if no responsebility of person then no assurence of great business.
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