Topic: ONEDICE - Real gambling experience | INVEST | Faucet | Instant Withdraw (Read 4221 times)

of course you can join in the discussion no one is stopping you.

CAN I JOIN?

thanks i was able withdraw my investment , sorry for accusation you to be scam  , sorry again

Just wanted to thank supporters for investing and gambling their BTC on OneDice.

It's good to see that few can't manipulate all the rest after all. I would be happier that this trash talk against me and site did not happen but i guess this is how things work when you run dice site.

Here are some stats since we officially launched yesterday, some 30h ago

- 1,300,000 bets
- 1,850 BTC wagered
- 32 BTC profit

Good day for investors i would say

the interface is awesome.. damn stunna is all around with every dice site here.. :O

i tried it out and it looks good the interface is smooth but it is still a little dark, got my 500 sats to 600 but lost it, all in all a good site

Well thank you, finally a believer 

Looks just like PD Sadly...

But it does look very nice, and easy on eyes... Looks like a remade of CoinDice or whatever that script is called...

However, I will stress this a lot... GREAT LOOKING SITE

no bets are skipped and you can check all bets and there are no skipped ones. BET ID you get is the next available bet id in order, simple as that.

Using nonce like others, then I would also get the same shit how we play against investors, this way is not the same and as 3 programmers have access to the code taking just server seed and betting on their own for them would be very easy. Using bet id makes everything 10 times more complicated and easier for me to catch any suspicious activity.

Yes, like others.
By doing short cuts you just created this mess.
I was newbie and others are as well. You posing as someone else and now when scam accusation come to light you trying do what?
Complaint to Theymos for limits.

by buying account and posing as someone else u did wrong.

please correct me i'm wrong.
I see you are using the BET ID as one of the variable in the provably fair equation, am I correct?
Why do you choose to use BET ID instead of nonce?

if you use the global BET ID as the variable, can't you simply fake or skip the winning BET ID and we wont be able to trace it?

Not sure I understand your point here. Only goal here was to provide fast replies on 2 threads and to PM. So you are saying that I should have choose new newbie account and run all this with it, are you aware of the newbie account limits? 6minutes wait time between PM and replies, 5 PM/hour and so on...

I did nothing wrong and do not deserve to be treated like this, I did not or plan to scam anyone, few investors are really pissed at this situation but still won't back up thank god.

I'm being accused here for lot of things but then majority of those people will send money to some ponzi schemes and be surprised when they loose their money.

And now we talking. but others like me or stuna or haploid or tomatocage started from new. They didn't bought account to jump in front of others.

New account just for this, well there is one, ONEDICE, search it, it was opened for this site...why it was not used. How about you get a newbie account and try to use it in forum where you need to post xy amount of messages frequently, send PM's. Newbie account is just useless in any way and I rather have this where I can put proper signature that advertises ONEDICE instead of have none. Don't even want to go that far that newbie accounts bet banned so easily here.

 

OK, this will be fixed ASAP then. I want to fix this mess caused by some.

Correct me if I'm missing something here:

Stunna - known for abusing trust system, giving negative trust to competitors site owners whenever he cans. Never given any to dooglus ( I wonder why) while dooglus did criticize PD million times, any other user would get red from him. I do not like that person, never did so I did not want to get into any communication with him.

As proof that site is a scam he pointed out that I'm someone else and that onedice and luckynumber domains are registered at same domain register (WTF?!)
Another proof is that sites share 80% of same keywords in meta tags, all of them are bitcoin related and all site have them, copy/paste is what people do.

This account - bought or not why would this concern anyone really, that green trust doesn't really mean anything, it was removed and I would continue without it.

Signature campaign - people telling me it's a scam, no not enroll, do they even read terms, I'm paying in advance and they are concerned they will get scammed???

Some smart ass gave me negative trust because it was alleged that account was purchased because of it's positive trust, really, I mean really, account has no positive trust and he want's me to prove that site is not a scam....how do you do that, can someone explain me... How do you give someone evidence that your site is not a scam?

Did you manage to answer for allegation against your site(s)?
Did i worded this wrong?

And no, just because stuna says it dosn't mean it is. got my own eyes, and can read. i do checking from time to time this thread and i'm not a gambler but things not just right as they should be.

I did noticed you selectively answering questions. So maybe time to answer for all allegations?

What scam?? Stunna says it's a scam so scam it is, what kind of BS this is?

All this is total bullshit, you should not blindly believe every word that comes out of Stunna's mouth

He is known for trashing every other dice site except JD so his actions do not surprise me.

Chat will be added next week, still testing it as it was not priority

Then you should look at primedice as the same thing happens there...it's impossible to synchronize everythign to fit so perfectly when you get over 10 bets/second

You're right! It's not even provably fair for gamblers here. I didn't think of that, but by skipping bet ids it's super easy to do.
You're also right about the fact that there is at least two ways to cheat investors. I mentioned only one but doing a few extra hashes to find a client seed to make a win shouldn't take more than a millisecond.

another good example that we need a Provably Fair Police. operators, investors and players should tip Dabs or anyone else who is finding and exposing cheaters.

that explains the reason why there is no chat room. I had the feeling something fishy was going on

Is it a possibility to try the game without registration?

I have a feeling they are ripping off players. Currently when you bet, your bet number will be about 160 above the one that is currenly shown on the page. Then, take a look at the all bets tab, some bets are shown to be at the same time but over 10 difference in bet ID, while no bets are shown between them. True, primedice also does not send out all bets, but come on, this is a new page, I doubt they are getting such volume.

I think the site is scamming player, take care.

The game, the way it is described, is not provably fair for investors, as well as for players. I'll leave this post here and let you guys try to figure out why. (And if my post gets deleted, I will start a new thread.) It will have provable results, which is not the same.

*edit* Okay, someone else beat me to it. Exactly as a previous poster has described. The other way is to pause the game for everyone else just 1 second (or a time they can't notice) and calculate the desired bet ID needed for the win, then resume, grab that winning bet, and continue as if nothing happened.

It can be programmed in the server to do this transparently, and if no winning bet is found within 0.01 seconds, you can just skip it and try again later, attribute it to variances in lag.

Therefore, my statement is that it is not provably fair for investors, and it is also not provably fair for players. You might as well make it at least provably fair for players, and let investors take the chance that the site operators will not cheat.

Like the other guy said, I am not accusing anyone of anything, just that the way this is implemented is not provably fair for everyone.

added 1 btc will invest more if it worked fine . hope good site .

I had some trouble too... I like the graphics though. The button click to roll doesn't always work, seems there's a bug in there someplace too.  Will try again later.

whats the use of the icons on the left side when i click those a blank page appears

Yes, it is set to 10 satoshi, not a bug.

Did you put specially minimum bet ammount 10 satoshis or it's another bug?

No need to feel bad about that. You're just as good as the others

I seem to have misunderstood your investment scheme in the first place. I think I still don't understand it!

You have a cool looking site, well designed with new invest approach. To bad all this turned into a witch hunt.

Will deposit few coins and test my luck.


Wish you the best

Me and my partners had the best intentions when thinking about this system. And I feel bad now when reading these posts. I guess it's possible to do what you said but if we wanted to do this then we would just implement system that other sites use as it would be easier to abuse it then.

The fact that sites have the ability to do this bugs me, there should be a way to prevent it but sadly there isn't

This is how you win with your own client seed:

Create any client seed. Whenever a bet id comes up that would give a win for that client seed, grab it for yourself. The regular player who should have gotten this particular bet id gets the next one, and he is just as happy with this number instead. There is no way to tell from the outside what just happened.

Surely you can see this?

And no, you would not be playing against yourselves as well. For one simple reason: you get the money and the other investors don't.

Please note that I'm not accusing you of doing this! Every other gambling site out there could do the exact same thing. I just want you to not make false claims.

Yes, that would work for sure I agree but how it would look like, what's the point of doing it. If we were planning to cheat investors then we would just use same method others use, then you can do this as much as you like without anyone noticing.

For the sake of this discussion let's say bankroll really is 5 BTC, then what, one player comes, wins single 5 BTC bet, if you were investor that invested 100BTC you would lost exactly 0.005 from your investment and that's it. No more betting as bankroll is empty.

Not sure I understand the part with playing against investors, not sure how we could just jump in. But anyways we would be playing against ourselves in major part even if cheating was possible somehow.

Simple, disable betting for all other users and win each and every roll. It'll be very easy to notice though and probably has been tested in the beta phases

Let me explain what I mean. If the total bankroll is 5 BTC, the risk is huge because one player could wipe you out in just one roll. On the other hand, if the bankroll is 50 000 the risk is small. It all depends on the relation between the max payout and the total bankroll. So my question is what number is that? Is it 0.5%? 1%? I hope it is not 5% or something ridiculous like that...

But my other issue is with the statement "there is not way for the site operators to play against investors because of the way bet numbers are calculated". I don't believe that this is possible to achieve, but if you have done that I would like to know how.

Edit: I just noticed that I missed this

This is not true I'm afraid. You control both betid and server seed. You can just increment a player's betid whenever you want and jump in between.

interested in seeing how this new investment platform will playout

I lost you, what part do you want me to explain?

Here is why bankroll size should not concern you - max payout is 5BTC as stated in FAQ. When investing you will buy shares 0.1 BTC for 0.001%.

Let me present 2 scenarios here with 2 different imagined bankroll sizes

1. bankroll is 20,000 BTC
you bought 100 shares (0.1 BTC each) and you own 0.1% of site's profit/losses

2. bankroll is 1,000 BTC
you bought 100 shares (0.1 BTC each) and you own 0.1% of site's profit/losses


If someone wins or losses 100 BTC in both scenarios you will earn or loose  0.1% of those 100BTC  (0.1 BTC)


We can't know outcome of any bets due to fact that BET ID is used to calculated each roll, in theory this would be only possible if we were only player playing on the site at that particular moment.

That's just it. You don't know the risk if you don't know how big the max payout is in relation to the bankroll.  

Strange also that you ignored my other comment.


Well?

Your site isn't compatible with my android phone... What a shame wanted to play 

Try now, there was small bug that caused this in some browsers.

Very nice interface! Will check it out

Why is rolling disabled for people that claimed faucet? I'm not depositing until I know that my account will be able to bet. Don't deceptively advertise if you can't even use the faucet BTC. You might as well just turn off the faucet.

I'm wondering the same exact thing xD I feel retarded I can't get it to roll...

Things don't have to be like on competitors site's. There is no rule how invest site should operate. All info you need to know is at how much is your risk investing in this and it whey less then on competitor sites.

Anyway any serious investor can contact me privately and I'll explain all in detail. But I believe all the info you need is on the site.

right, thanks, all was recieved.

10inch tablet coming back with info about screen resolution. sad its not mobile optimised....

So your ad is misleading- not mobile friendly.

Check your wallet, some withdrawals are manual, you should have waited for them instead you have invested this money into the site so we couldn't send it to you.

Mobile does not work at all.
Can't bet, have to refresh to play on faucet and doesn't let me roll at all

when i try to withdraw now, the withdrawal dialog closes and nothing happens....... (balance is left the same). i tried to withdraw 0.01 and it worked, anything larger does not work.

Thanks. From an investor perspective it is rather important to know what percentage of the bankroll that is. It is strange that this information is hidden. If we assume that it is 0.5% as it is on competitor sites, the bankroll must be around 1000BTC right now.

Now, investing seems not very attractive anyway, since 1 BTC only buys you 0.01% of the profits, i.e. you invest 0.1% of the money but receive only 0.01% of the profits. Weird.

when i press "bet now"
it won't rolling
then
the bet button says "rolling left 1"

Am i doing something wrong here ??

Good to know that. Thanks.


I don't think the bankroll size is listed, but the current max win is 5 btc (you can find that in the FAQ page).

From FAQ


I don't believe this is true. Can you explain?

I also cannot find anywhere the size of the bankroll nor what the maximum payout is.

Sorry for flooding bets. I was testing for issues.
You can unblock faucet betting if you wish.
I shot an email to support with some suggestions

What trouble exactly? I see you cashed out 10 times already and all those transactions have over few confirmations

Not yet, still optimizing it

this is fixed

is there a chatroom? I cant find it in the site.

played, won 4btc, having trouble cashing out..

seems scammy, hope i see my btc...

When trying to claim the free 5000 satoshi, if I press my enter key after typing the captcha, it will bring me to the https://www.onedice.me/404 "Oops, sorry" page. Is this the intended result?

Not a bad interface. Any extra bonuses for trying it out now?

Site was tested 24/7 for the past week, total 35 forum members were privately invited to test before this announce. All known bugs were fixed, but this is no guarantee players won't find new ones.
If you find any bugs please report them to me here or send support email.