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Topic: Open Letter about the Recent Blocknet and ITO confusion and allegations (Read 1317 times)

legendary
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Merit: 1002
amarha
Please, for the love of crypto, decentralized trust and everything else that is awesome, can we STOP using the term FUD?Huh  Lips sealed 
I hate it! It's an excuse, and a bad one at it. Tongue
Every decent conversation turns to shit in this place as soon as someone brings up those 3 letters...

Yes, I loathe the day Gavin introduced that term to this community. I can only dream of the day that people stop using that as a way to sidestep logical analysis and rational discussion about things.

No comment about the situation but your post was good and wish more people would take a similar approach..
legendary
Activity: 1181
Merit: 1018

This time you are going to be wrong, I'll make money, and you're not Wink

Anyway, cheers



lol! You just made my day!

Please post your NXT address so that I can send you a few million UMadeMyDay assets!

http://nxtreporting.com/?as=7891331976023972059
legendary
Activity: 1540
Merit: 1011
FUD Philanthropist™
Why doesn't the forum ban the trolls accounts? They are junking up the place. Undecided

They won't ban us for posting proof about liars lying.

and i agree they should delete YOUR account and your other accounts too.
newbie
Activity: 42
Merit: 0
Why doesn't the forum ban the trolls accounts? They are junking up the place. Undecided
hero member
Activity: 854
Merit: 1001
That went downhill fast.

+10 to Bytas, btw, good OP.
sr. member
Activity: 280
Merit: 250
NOT FUD! FACTS!
Please, for the love of crypto, decentralized trust and everything else that is awesome, can we STOP using the term FUD?Huh  Lips sealed  
I hate it! It's an excuse, and a bad one at it. Tongue
Every decent conversation turns to shit in this place as soon as someone brings up those 3 letters...

It is because the most people can't have decent conversation and they don't like people sniffing around.
So silly it sounds a idea which should have give us more freedom enslaves us more with noobs who can't respect the freedom of speech.

Don't put freedom of speech with speaking without thinking in the same basket

There is one thing to address relevant issues and questions, there is another thing to spam a forum category with threads containing fabricated chat logs.

Let's face it, everybody knows why people are spreading BS posts about a project right before it has the chance to go big.
As soon as the first BS post appeared, a huge buy wall appeared too on bittrex.

What is that telling you? Somebody is clearly manipulating the market by posting negative things about it.
As soon as they get to control that market by owning a good stash of coins/tokens, they are going to magically stop the BS posting.

They know that the team is legit, and that Blocknet/XC will be something big, and they are going to do the same thing as they did with any other coin, they are going to run a P&D scheme.


Maybe you should ask Dan about that ? Its common the devs trying to fool their community.
I know XC is not that legit how you speak about it.. i was there when they where fucking their community so don't play stupid with me.

By having the chance to shake hands with the core dev of that project, that's pretty legit for me.

You are clearly frustrated about something, but you are missing the important thing from your vision.

Yes, you can hate all you want, hell, I lost tons of money too with those P&D schemes, I made tons of money too, but I'm still looking for that important thing that we all need.

- I want to have a decentralized VPN
- I want a decentralized exchange
- I want to host some important files out there without having some centralized service to keep them for me

There are money to make/lose, but the most important thing remains the innovation.

Yes, this crypto "community" is still full of sharks, which are only looking to manipulate the mass. Be smarter than that. Don't fall for that.



We do this is why i warn people if there is a 100% scam coming. And mostly i was right.

This time you are going to be wrong, I'll make money, and you're not Wink

Anyway, cheers
sr. member
Activity: 280
Merit: 250
NOT FUD! FACTS!
Please, for the love of crypto, decentralized trust and everything else that is awesome, can we STOP using the term FUD?Huh  Lips sealed  
I hate it! It's an excuse, and a bad one at it. Tongue
Every decent conversation turns to shit in this place as soon as someone brings up those 3 letters...

It is because the most people can't have decent conversation and they don't like people sniffing around.
So silly it sounds a idea which should have give us more freedom enslaves us more with noobs who can't respect the freedom of speech.

Don't put freedom of speech with speaking without thinking in the same basket

There is one thing to address relevant issues and questions, there is another thing to spam a forum category with threads containing fabricated chat logs.

Let's face it, everybody knows why people are spreading BS posts about a project right before it has the chance to go big.
As soon as the first BS post appeared, a huge buy wall appeared too on bittrex.

What is that telling you? Somebody is clearly manipulating the market by posting negative things about it.
As soon as they get to control that market by owning a good stash of coins/tokens, they are going to magically stop the BS posting.

They know that the team is legit, and that Blocknet/XC will be something big, and they are going to do the same thing as they did with any other coin, they are going to run a P&D scheme.


Maybe you should ask Dan about that ? Its common the devs trying to fool their community.
I know XC is not that legit how you speak about it.. i was there when they where fucking their community so don't play stupid with me.

By having the chance to shake hands with the core dev of that project, that's pretty legit for me.

You are clearly frustrated about something, but you are missing the important thing from your vision.

Yes, you can hate all you want, hell, I lost tons of money too with those P&D schemes, I made tons of money too, but I'm still looking for that important thing that we all need.

- I want to have a decentralized VPN
- I want a decentralized exchange
- I want to host some important files out there without having some centralized service to keep them for me

There are money to make/lose, but the most important thing remains the innovation.

Yes, this crypto "community" is still full of sharks, which are only looking to manipulate the mass. Be smarter than that. Don't fall for that.

sr. member
Activity: 280
Merit: 250
NOT FUD! FACTS!
Please, for the love of crypto, decentralized trust and everything else that is awesome, can we STOP using the term FUD?Huh  Lips sealed  
I hate it! It's an excuse, and a bad one at it. Tongue
Every decent conversation turns to shit in this place as soon as someone brings up those 3 letters...

It is because the most people can't have decent conversation and they don't like people sniffing around.
So silly it sounds a idea which should have give us more freedom enslaves us more with noobs who can't respect the freedom of speech.

Don't put freedom of speech with speaking without thinking in the same basket

There is one thing to address relevant issues and questions, there is another thing to spam a forum category with threads containing fabricated chat logs.

Let's face it, everybody knows why people are spreading BS posts about a project right before it has the chance to go big.
As soon as the first BS post appeared, a huge buy wall appeared too on bittrex.

What is that telling you? Somebody is clearly manipulating the market by posting negative things about it.
As soon as they get to control that market by owning a good stash of coins/tokens, they are going to magically stop the BS posting.

They know that the team is legit, and that Blocknet/XC will be something big, and they are going to do the same thing as they did with any other coin, they are going to run a P&D scheme.
sr. member
Activity: 323
Merit: 250
Please, for the love of crypto, decentralized trust and everything else that is awesome, can we STOP using the term FUD?Huh  Lips sealed  
I hate it! It's an excuse, and a bad one at it. Tongue
Every decent conversation turns to shit in this place as soon as someone brings up those 3 letters...

It is because the most people can't have decent conversation and they don't like people sniffing around.
So silly it sounds a idea which should have give us more freedom enslaves us more with noobs who can't respect the freedom of speech.

True.

You know it's a sad state of affairs when even people on bitcointalk are so used to powerstructures handling them and telling them what common sense should look like that they can't deal with decentralized projects and can't have a good discussion with mutual respect without an authorised moderator holding their hands.
sr. member
Activity: 323
Merit: 250
Please, for the love of crypto, decentralized trust and everything else that is awesome, can we STOP using the term FUD?Huh  Lips sealed  
I hate it! It's an excuse, and a bad one at it. Tongue
Every decent conversation turns to shit in this place as soon as someone brings up those 3 letters...
sr. member
Activity: 478
Merit: 250
Dan is a rational person. A rational person thinks "None of this is true so I will answer and then it will go away". A few hours ago he realized that the trolls would not stop no matter what. Give them some time to put together a comprehensive response. It's not easy when the accusers are throwing everything but the kitchen sink at you.
sr. member
Activity: 323
Merit: 250
u simply don't want them to speak on these matters bcuz u don't have any faith that they will prove themselves honest

lets face it, u invested in blocknet scam and now u feel bad. its ok. now u want to lure in other gullible people like urself so u dont lose money. its normal.
but lets be real here, almost everyone whos not financially invested in this croq of shit can just see how full of shit dan is, and this prom
u wont get any investors more to blocknet there is no shred of legitimacy to this project after all shit thats been unveiled.
the only people defending this at this point are either in it financially or in this stinky pump group.


dont illusionate urself they care about you, they just want to make money on your sorry ass.

if dan was so innocent, he would write a detailed post about how outrageous all of this is. yeah?
but not once have i seen him dement any allegations of collaboration with this PROMETHEUS.
so there u have it no1 is gonna buy this stupid pumpscam even if u illusionate urself that its only "trolls fudding" it even the people on the inside realize they need to get out quikc because there is really nothing backing this shit but words and now people are informed and wont get taken for a ride.
you so desperate to get our bitcoins for ICO it simply reaks. this blocknet was never made for some fucking investor it was just made for devs & groups 2 make a buck.



stop defending scams just cuz ur in them

I think you need to read my post again dude, because you havn't understood the first thing about what i said.
1. I have not invested anything in blocknet tokens
2. I want Dan to come out, i want the team to come out, i want to see an official statement, and i want to see a website where they group all things.
3. If they fail to do this, the project is as dead to me as it is to you, but i'm not someone that doesn't give people a chance to explain themselves, they just have to do it.
4. 'FUD' doesn't exist, it's a bad excuse people use to not have to adress concerns. I get nauseous every time someone says "stop spreading FUD" instead of making sure there is nothing to FUD about.
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
u simply don't want them to speak on these matters bcuz u don't have any faith that they will prove themselves honest

lets face it, u invested in blocknet scam and now u feel bad. its ok. now u want to lure in other gullible people like urself so u dont lose money. its normal.
but lets be real here, almost everyone whos not financially invested in this croq of shit can just see how full of shit dan is, and this prom
u wont get any investors more to blocknet there is no shred of legitimacy to this project after all shit thats been unveiled.
the only people defending this at this point are either in it financially or in this stinky pump group.


dont illusionate urself they care about you, they just want to make money on your sorry ass.

if dan was so innocent, he would write a detailed post about how outrageous all of this is. yeah?
but not once have i seen him dement any allegations of collaboration with this PROMETHEUS.
so there u have it no1 is gonna buy this stupid pumpscam even if u illusionate urself that its only "trolls fudding" it even the people on the inside realize they need to get out quikc because there is really nothing backing this shit but words and now people are informed and wont get taken for a ride.
you so desperate to get our bitcoins for ICO it simply reaks. this blocknet was never made for some fucking investor it was just made for devs & groups 2 make a buck.



stop defending scams just cuz ur in them

and here we have the first troll in the thread. If you want to talk about the Blocknet scam, go to the other fucking thread. Clearly the intentions of OP  is to promote positive discussion, you're here to turn this thread into the 5 or 6 other FUD threads on the main board. Fuck off
newbie
Activity: 25
Merit: 0
u simply don't want them to speak on these matters bcuz u don't have any faith that they will prove themselves honest

lets face it, u invested in blocknet scam and now u feel bad. its ok. now u want to lure in other gullible people like urself so u dont lose money. its normal.
but lets be real here, almost everyone whos not financially invested in this croq of shit can just see how full of shit dan is, and this prom
u wont get any investors more to blocknet there is no shred of legitimacy to this project after all shit thats been unveiled.
the only people defending this at this point are either in it financially or in this stinky pump group.


dont illusionate urself they care about you, they just want to make money on your sorry ass.

if dan was so innocent, he would write a detailed post about how outrageous all of this is. yeah?
but not once have i seen him dement any allegations of collaboration with this PROMETHEUS.
so there u have it no1 is gonna buy this stupid pumpscam even if u illusionate urself that its only "trolls fudding" it even the people on the inside realize they need to get out quikc because there is really nothing backing this shit but words and now people are informed and wont get taken for a ride.
you so desperate to get our bitcoins for ICO it simply reaks. this blocknet was never made for some fucking investor it was just made for devs & groups 2 make a buck.



stop defending scams just cuz ur in them

I think we found spotenik's apprentice
newbie
Activity: 18
Merit: 0
u simply don't want them to speak on these matters bcuz u don't have any faith that they will prove themselves honest

lets face it, u invested in blocknet scam and now u feel bad. its ok. now u want to lure in other gullible people like urself so u dont lose money. its normal.
but lets be real here, almost everyone whos not financially invested in this croq of shit can just see how full of shit dan is, and this prom
u wont get any investors more to blocknet there is no shred of legitimacy to this project after all shit thats been unveiled.
the only people defending this at this point are either in it financially or in this stinky pump group.


dont illusionate urself they care about you, they just want to make money on your sorry ass.

if dan was so innocent, he would write a detailed post about how outrageous all of this is. yeah?
but not once have i seen him dement any allegations of collaboration with this PROMETHEUS.
so there u have it no1 is gonna buy this stupid pumpscam even if u illusionate urself that its only "trolls fudding" it even the people on the inside realize they need to get out quikc because there is really nothing backing this shit but words and now people are informed and wont get taken for a ride.
you so desperate to get our bitcoins for ICO it simply reaks. this blocknet was never made for some fucking investor it was just made for devs & groups 2 make a buck.



stop defending scams just cuz ur in them
sr. member
Activity: 323
Merit: 250
Hi there blocknet people and interested followers!

How about you guys stop wasting time on back and forth discussion with random people all over the altcoin board and instead set up a strategy to deal with this situation on a broader and more structural way?   Wink

A good way to deal with this is to create an official press release on the issue, provide a full and undeniable explanation that is independently verifiable, and push it to the official website of blocknet, all coins involved AND as much big newsnetworks as you can get interested in running the story. See this as an opportunity to once and for all set the record straight and gain press time while you are at it.

I've said this once and i'm gonna say this again: In a decentralized environment, you prove your honesty and integrity by providing everyone with the tools and proof to make up their own mind and decide for themselves. Discussing the issue on a 1 to 1 basis with everyone who has any doubt is an terribly inefficient way to do things, and stating that you will not give the so called 'FUD' (which is a bogus term if you ask me) any credibility by refusing to interact with it is about the worst possible reaction to the problem I can think off.

Think about it this way: what you are trying here is to reassure people who are uncertain about the project and are expressing their doubts about the future of blocknet. You are also trying to convince the people that might be interested to invest but are afraid to do so in light of recent events.
How do you best convince the broad public to set aside those negative feelings? Not by answering the rage thread of every single user with a 50% explanation, also not by refusing to comment. You take the high ground, request the digital equivalent of a megaphone and hold a complete and explanatory speech to the masses. On the internet this means making a complete press release and spreading it trough every channel possible (coincourant, cointelegraph, coindesk, twitter, youtube,...).

Lets go back to the metaphor of a square filled with huge mob.
Right now you are standing in a corner, arguing with one or two disgruntled people who are legitimately concerned about your credibility. Around this small scene are about ten other people who are watching and are making up their minds about this ridiculous scene without getting involved themselves. The more you try to explain yourself to those two disgruntled people, the more those bystanders are thinking this is a ridiculous scene, and the more they are beginning to distance themselves from the situation, telling others who have never heard about it how idiotic it is. While you are addressing those two hotheads, slowly the entire square starts to hear wispers and rumours about "that one dude in the corner that allegedly did something bad". And weather you like it or not, gossip doesn't give a rats ass about truth, it just wants to be sensational.

Now you can do two things: either stay in that corner, arguing with those hotheads until one of them loses their temper and gives you a hit in the face, or you can break free from that unproductive situation, run over to the highest point of the square, grab a megaphone and start broadcasting the facts about the situation as loud as you can. Presenting irrefutable evidence that proves your point, as well as talking about what the steps forward are, how you are gonna make your stuff even more awesome and what you will do to avoid confusion in the future.  

This is what happens in that scenario. The two readheads will keep shouting and screaming, but frankly you don't have to give a fuck because the 10 people that stood behind them are now paying attention and listening to you, making up their minds about the situation from the presented facts. The further the story develops, the more people on the square will start to flock to this interesting new thing that is happening. People that may never have heard about this might start to pay attention, and frankly you don't care anymore about the two angry dudes that have now ran off, because you have an audience that cares enough to listen.

At the end of the day: you lost 2 guys, gave 10 others enough information to make a decision and introduced everyone else on the square to your project. Mass psychology.

Get out there, stop arguing and prove everything you are saying in here in one press release that doesn't require a reader to have any prior knowledge of the situation to come to a verdict.



And frankly: If you are afraid to do this, if you think it has a chance to backfire, if you think it "doesn't currently fit in our media strategy" or something likewise: you are heading in the wrong direction with your project and the two guys that cornered you on the square were 100% right to corner you and start complaining.

Some facts:
- If you can't inspire trust, your decentralized project is going nowhere.
- Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt are legit feelings an investor can express. FUD is a bogus term that is used by people unable to adress concerns
- Decentralized due diligence, active open accounting, Regular newsupdates and transparency are the only way forward in the crypto world
- The only thing the few people that have doubts in your project can do is NOT USE IT. The only thing 7 billion other people on the planet can decide to do is to USE IT, but only after they KNOW IT EXIST.
- Don't fail to understand that you are not trying to convince everyone to use your project, you are trying to find the people that WANT to use it. Watch this video to understand what i mean: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw28y81s7Wo


Oh and just on a completely honest personal note: I believe in the project, i also had the intention to invest a bit in it, but i waited to do so because an investor always wants to have as much info as possible before investing, so it's wise to buy as late as possible.
At the moment my advice to oneself is to NOT invest, and this is completely legit for me to decide that, just as it is completely legit for everyone else to decide that.
It's up to you guys to convince me to rethink and join in anyway, and if you can't do that, it's up to you guys to completely and utterly ignore me, forget that i even exist and find the people on the internet that ARE willing to invest and join the adventure/cause. If you guys manage to get this situation on track again i'll happily put my money where my mouth is and join in as well.

At the moment you guys are doing a rather poor job on some of the key components of making this happen:
1. Reaching out to a broader audience: nope, no website, no media strategy, no marketing.
2. Setting the record straight with irrefutable facts: they might be in here somewhere, but i don't plan on reading 100+ pages
3. Ignoring the hotheads and talking to the community: please i don't even know who gains from those discussions.


/ Devils advocate.

Brutaly honnest again because it needs to happen. Brutaly honnest again not because i want to see this project fail but because i want to see it succeed. Brutally honnest again because that is what works in a decentralized community and because top down control and obscurity is exactly what we don't need right now.

Kind regards
Hoping to invest soon
Bytas
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