Topic: Open letter to bounty managers (Read 690 times)

And also consider that you joined because of the payment, and they will pay you from your posts. Limiting the number of posts might not be fair for them as they also have their target that's why they need you. You don't need to join in the first they've already stated the task.

Opps! I am not going to feeding OP with merits. @OP, can I ask why you have wear signature if you heat weekly requirements. Who are forcing you? No one, right ? So don't join any campaign if you feel uncomfortable. Someone paying you just for posting on the forum. They never ask you about traffic or something else. Do you believe anyone should pay when you make post on like Facebook or Twitter? Its same it ? Its just a crypto forum. Who are paying you just for posting they might have some requirements. If you like freedom then who is forcing you to join on the campaign? When you will do a job there is a time frame for work. You can't adjust it by yourself if you are not owner. So campaign is same and most likely you are talking about it.

First you should search how many post has been made on meta regarding signature campaign. Then you were should make post. This post really wasn't necessary. So I will consider this topic as a spam topics and spam opportunity for signature spammer (I am not excluding me). So please stop make duplicate topics regarding same subjects. This is more dangerous spam from something else. Because this thread calling more spammer here. And yes, you might call me a spammer I would not mind since I have commented here as well.

Of course managers should reject all spammers application and believe doing with btc signature campaigns. But campaign with tokens never monitoring by managers I think. That's main issue. Most of spam reason is token campaign more than btc signature. And token campaign could manage by even with newbie user. So who will control and how.

  I still don't know why these people are keep complaining about the rules for bounty, If you know you can't keep the work on your job why did you apply then? As far as I know bounty managers are not responsible on the campaign rules, they are just based on forum rules which abide the the rules of bitcointalk. They are on staking, checking and reporting.


Having that said, manual selection process will take a lot of time to do since there are approximately a hundreds of bounty hunter in a single campaign, even a thousand if it is known and big campaign.
What could be an effective solution is that general ruling for campaign should be, participants must scatter their post on different sections making the signatures appear on every sections. It is an eye sore seeing the same poster just right after the thread you've read into talking about nonsense matter.

I think you mean local boards, because child boards are just subsections, like Reputation is a child board of Trading Discussion--someone correct me if I'm wrong with that example as I'm just writing this off the top of my head.

Look at all the shitposts in this thread, written in garbage English and with little thought put into them.  Know why?  It's because bounty hunters generally know how to write about only a few topics, and bounty hunting is one of them.  Fifteen posts per week should be just fine for members to handle and not spam.  The problem is that everyone has alts enrolled in bounties, and so they're managing who knows how many accounts, each cranking out the maximum number of posts. 

The max number of paid posts for the Chipmixer campaign is 50, and there are plenty of members who can hit that number and still have every single post be decent.  If you can't make all fifteen of your weekly posts constructive, the problem lies with you, not the bounty or campaign.

I guess he is referring to all bounty managers that handling signature campaigns may it be paid by shitcoins or bitcoins.

The thing is even if it lessen or lowered the minimum posts per week this users just post to meet the required quantity without even thinking what they post if spam or off topic. I guess this is a sluggish reason on creating this open letter by just lowering the minimum required posts. Because, if you already know that manager required that x amount, then why bother sent an application in the first place if you find it tiresome to do so?

Exactly. Find a stable job, keep married with it and never bother to apply any sig camps here anymore, it's that simple to do.

Well, i'm new member and it's my first post. i have registered here from a bounty program. And i agree, quantity is not quality. 2 or 3 great interventions should be enough, instead of a lot of "nothing".

Making 15 posts a week is not hard as you think if you spend enough time here you would see good topics.  I checked your post history and I see that all of your posts are mostly in altcoin section which is known for spams.
Do you think Chip Mixer participants are performing magic by doing 50 posts per week? NO. They contribute best posts on this forum. If you want discussion that would interest you, visit sections like Project development, Bitcoin Discussion, Beginners & Help.
Bounty managers job is to create rules, it's up to you to accept it.

I'm curious if the OP is referring to all managers as "bounty Managers" or if he/she is talking strictly about bounty campaigns? I know for a fact that most companies I manage campaigns for are not going to lower the post count per week to 15 or less and pay users 50-150$ in bitcoin per week.

They may consider splitting people into 2 groups or something, where group 1 would be required to do 10 or so posts per week for 1 amount, and group 2  would be required to do 20+ posts per week for a higher amount of bitcoin per week. I just don't see them lowering the minimums and paying the same amount of money though.

As far as just bounty campaigns go, being as a lot of those users are going to post in the altcoin boards and clutter the hell out of those boards, I could see advocating for lowered weekly minimums for bounty campaigns.

There is a 3rd option here though. You can always go get an actual job and not worry about having to post a weekly minimum on here.

Yes, 15 post that means 2 posts per day is not too high to my end as well as for the maximum members I think. And 20-25 posts are moderate. But asking minimum more than 25 posts and pay per post maximum 40-60 posts per week is really helps to increase spams.

On the other hand owners will not pay people for nothing. They also need get enough feedbacks from the community.

If 15posts is way too much for you just find other projects that you can handle, i myself is getting tired of scam bounty projects and good new projects are having hard time to raise funds successfully, i hope that next year 2020 will be different for bounty hunters

Do you have dreaming with bounty campaign have worth now with pass many kinds bounty less reward and delay distributing? I less hope can reach success with bounty campaign at the future because many ICO not success raise hard cap and raise higher price after listing, investor re think when investing with ICO project at next time.

If you are concerned about the number of posts that appear because of chasing the target of a bounty, I think the admin also understands this, if it is considered spam will definitely be banned by them. Do you consider the admin incompetent? I think it's only natural if someone raises a thread that has been 3 months have passed. If you exceed this limit may be an exception. Because it could also be interesting to comment on someone, not merely wanting to pursue a post. This world will not always be what you want it to be, so get used to it.

What's wrong with having a maximum of 15 posts per week? You should be lucky to only post with that minimum or maximum post. If you were on a signature campaign i don't think you will last for a week if your perspective is just like that. And how would the bounty manager be able to pay you if you don't want to make a post?

Do you even know what's the purpose of posting and having a required number of post?

A reputable bounty manager know how to handle those shit poster and what's the rules they implement you just have to follow it because they know how to do their work. Not all managers though but some.

I agree, because sometimes I see bounties that require between 15 and 25 posts per week to be eligible for rewards. In my opinion it is silly, especially nowadays, where 90 percent of all bounties cannot even manage to collect their soft cap.

On Bitcoin payment signature usually, they require a minimum post of 15 to 25 to qualify for the week.  Bounty managers on services are really strict they only accept an applicant with earned merits with quality post it will help both projects for promotions and the forum. It's not really spamming if you are contributing.
Signatures on bounties board usually have 10 post requirements to get stakes and they are not strict even with no merit they accept applicants and some manager's concerns are only post count, not the quality I think that's spamming.

bounty managers meant to advertise his project to the world as much as possible they may want a hundred post a day to make it the signature gets noticed and will be clicked by people that landed here in the forum not just by searching google. they wanted exposure. lucky for you they only ask 15 some were asking 20 posts if i remember.  if you are a participant, that means you agreed to the condition before you join.

I don't like it either. The way those projects like to be promoted is all about spamming twitter, facebook, linkedin, telegram or this forum with posts and stuff nobody reads or if somebody does, then it is most probably just a few people who are genuinely interested in new ICOs. But let's be honest, most of those projects are so bad, they won't see the light of a real market or they will fail to bring their product to the market as they promised.

Besides we have options to either join or not, I remember before there are bounties that require 20-30 post a day, though the payment is quite big before than now and many discussions can be a topic, I'm just telling if we think that project is worth joining and spending time to post 10 or 16 post then join and just follow rules posted by the bounty manager which is approved and maybe idea of the team developers.

OP has a point though the post count does not for bounty manager to decide but for the project owners itself, unless the manager have strict rules regarding post count which he/she relay to the team owners. 10 post per week is good but I don't have any problems with 15 post either, as a bounty hunter we should also adjust to this kind of rules since we are getting rewarded for our work.

The rights of the team to demand from bounty hunters to help them reaching more people to invest and support the project. This kind of task
attracts investors once the bounty participants interact with more members using the the bounty campaign codes. It shouldn't be an issue
since the rules has been stated and those interested participants can join or pass out for campaign.

If requested posts by BM or project team is too low then its really not going to help the project, the reason why we bounty hunters are needed is to create much awareness so any posts requirement should be fulfilled without complains

I think the goal of managers is to charge a certain number of posts each week, aiming to flood this forum with their signatures so that there are investors who are interested in putting funds into their projects. that makes sense, because the purpose of the bounty signature is to introduce their project to the inhabitants of this forum, be it investors or traders, or ordinary people who enter this forum. Their calculation is, the number of participants who took part in the bounty signature, then the post that was required to them in this forum, so that their significance continued to be seen. it will make it easier for the team to promote their project. it's just that participants should not be spam, and must post a quality so that it does not become as you said earlier.

You are not enough reputable to write them any message, they will not care about you.
And secondly, bounty managers in most cases are not the person who really decides about the terms and rules.

You have applied to the signature campaign so you have to comply with their demands so you can earn a stake every week. And if you can't do that you won't have to wear a signature and no bounty manager will adjust you.
It does not help to reduce spammers. Because spammers will not disappear and they will continue to do so.

I think to post 10-13 per week is enough for the participants because most bounty managers apply that rules. I remember when there was a bounty campaign that only posted a minimum of 50 posts during the campaign and there were many participants who joined

It must come first on every user here in this forum, and we cannot blame the campaign manager if there are so many spammers who are just working for the seek of their weekly payment. Asking for a 25post a week is normal on a campaign, and if you can’t do that then don’t participate so you wont have any problem. I’m ok with this rules because i spend more time here to work and to learn at the same time.

15 posts per week is not a lot.

I think 15 posts is a well balanced amount. I would add, that posts must be not shorter that 200-300 symbols, and written in specific topics/forum parts - to fully reach its target audience.

Bounty reward is not that I care most. From my point of view, "bounty reward" is not something that makes you rich, but an opportunity to try or be a part of project you support.

The point here is, because of the requirement to meet the weekly quota, users are most likely to spam than to make a post that can be useful to other users. Bounty managers should limit the required posts just to avoid their users to make spam posts and help the forum to keep it clean as this is also for our own good.

they demand a lot of posts, so that their projects are increasingly known to many investors. so that the purchase of the altcoin reaches maximum results. but it does indeed become a dilemma if it is not matched with bounty hunter rewards, many may come out of their campaigns if sales are not good

Come to think of it do you want to spend on advertising campaigns that can give you less impression? Provably not since for sure those rules is been set by the company owners and they required that to maximize their traffic and  and visibility. And if you don't want to post on what they required to their participant then much better not to join with them but if you want to join then don't be a lazy dude since you need to work for it to earn it's give and take to the company so do your best to do your job.

Think of a situation, when the problem is hidden in the BM's payment. Maybe they are not lazy, but simply receive small payment. Would you work your best for low payment ? Or they problem is that they are simply not professionals

@jessyj48

Instead of looking at the bounty managers and their weekly post requirements, why not look into yourself first? Have you ever thought why you are struggling to make 15 posts per week?

I look into your post history and checked your last 60 messages. From what I observed, you are only posting in Altcoin Discussion board and that's probably why you cannot find other interesting topics and forced to post in mega spam threads.

Why don't you explore other boards and expand your knowledge? There are plenty of things to learn in this forum. Don't cage yourself to pure altcoin or bounty topics.  

Even the bounty manager now rules with 15 posts a week that are all average, well-known managers also do the same thing, but participants must post constructively so as not to be considered spam, but what I know spam is done by small members.

I agree with you in some point, but i think if the post was useful and informative it will be not consider a spam, But instead it will help the forum more alive and competitive  since it will possibly trigger more interest from other forum users too ,maybe its a bounty participants or just a plain forum users that searching for the informative and sensible content.

Participating in any campaign is just an option when you are using the forum and if you cannot fulfill the quota you are free to make a decision that you cannot participate in any campaign, if there is blatant spam then it will be deleted by the moderators and you might get tagged as a spammer and you will not be able to participate in any campaigns after that. The purpose of any campaign is to showcase the project to more audience and not to distribute the tokens freely . 

Reducing the minimum post requirements will definitely decrease the spammers and the content contributors will be more active if it happens.  Asking to post the 10-15 posts per week will force the bounty hunters to dig down the various forum boards in order to find their interested topics. It looks like a competitive race between the signature campaign participants but there are no other measurements IMO.

this will not happen soon. Arteezy always requests 15 posts per week in all of its campaigns where there is a signature campaign. he is one of the best managers on the forum and I think he will not change it

Bounty managers are only asked by the developers or project owners to do a task, some bounty managers will propose outline of campaign program and it's the team and developers who will revise it based on their wants and how they want their promotion be like. We have freewill of doing what we wanted same with were to join in bounty campaign. It's our choice to choose there are campaigns with 10 post minimum so check those campaign.

It depends on the posters, if the posts are good that means the posters are creating a good environment for the forum and make the forum alive and also able to guide new people who just joined the forum. And how if it's spam, the bounty managers should able to detect the posters who spammed on the forum and not giving the stakes.

Instead of blaming the bounty manager, we can just let them hear our side.
We are all bounty hunters, and you should at least know that this kind of thing can be solved without blaming anyone.
It is actually not good to ask bounty hunters to make 15-20 posts per week just to promote the campaign, this is the main reason why there are many spam posts just to meet their quota.

The bounty manager must be blamed for this because they are unable to regulate every bounty hunter participating in their campaign. Every bounty hunter should have something to follow, and if they violate it they will be removed from the campaign at no cost to their stake.

Bounty managers are also guilty of allowing scam projects to spread inside and outside the forum. They are guilty of hiring spammers and shit posters because they are not hiring them after doing some history checking on their posts. They are hiring them for as long as they pass on simple requirements such as wearing proper signature, with the right rank, doesn't have red tag, and so on.

As to the number of posts, they don't actually matter for as long as the poster is a great contributor in discussions. If not, even if he will do only 3 posts every week, that is enough for causing bad ideas to scatter within the forum.

All the time isn't mandatory that post maximum to high get high rewards. We can't ignore a good project even 15 or more post is required rules by bounty manager, you can ignore it if you are not interest. For spamming problem already running do many campaign decrease the maximum post. Now I see that almost all campaign has require only 10 posts

There is nothing BM can do about it. This forum's own rules already exist in this forum for a long time, and those who do not follow the rules can not always behave as they wish. The only person to be blamed in this regard is the person who writes these unconstructive posts. All we can do about this is to report them.

I do not fully understand the meaning of your claims.
If you do not like posts that seem to you to be spam or posts that repeat things already said, then you can simply mark and send posts by the moderator via the Report button moderator.
15 posts is not as much as it seems. And the problem is far from the number of posts, but only in their quality. Be an example for the rest, write good posts.
Bounty managers are guilty of only allowing spammers and shitposters to work for them.

I'm not going to judge you based on your posts because we all have ways of viewing things in this life, all you need is to think very well pal, if posts counts are just let say 4posts per week this will even make spammers more increasing because 4posts will make things easier for spammers to keep spamming. Projects team are ready to pay for your posts to increase influence on their project, that is your job as a bounty hunter, i know you are been frustrated because only few bounties pay good rewards this days but let it go and stay focus on solid bounty projects, if you can't find one just move on till you see better one

I can post over 15 posts a week with no problem, if you can't reply to all posts because you have nothing to say about them then create a new solid topic to start a reasonable discussion, there is no faults in posting over 10posts per week and BMs are not responsible for spams

It's not the bounty managers everytime as they just follow the command of developers so we can request bounty managers to negotiate with owners of the project to explain them about how their requirement is causing spamming in this forum but most of bounty managers are afraid to cross question owners fearing that it will create negative impact. There are greedy users with alt account and fake account who further spam the forum for their personal gain and while managing campaign i have seen a single user creating 60 odd account just to cheat.

No, you are wrong mate. Being a spammer is a choice, not a destiny. There's no such thing like that. Always remember, know your limits. If you already feel drained or think that you will not be able to hit this week's quota then STOP! As simple as that. Besides, you entered such campaign in the first place so I presume you already knew the rules and requirements need to be meet before entering. So why are you complaining now ?

I can post 20+ per week without being toxic, just saying .
What!? Stop blaming others for your actions. If you are really not interested on the topic then don't reply on it. Go to those places which can catch your interests. You are not obliged to reply on those threads anyways.
Another WHAT?! You should be the one who adjust. C'me on! Even if joining bounties or sig campaigns are somehow considered a light work compare to blue collar jobs and professions, there still no such thing as easy money here. In every work, there's always an effort and hardwork required.

If you are always online, 15 minimum post per week is not too much to flood the forum as it is like you are need to post 2-3 times per day. You just need to look for a topic that suits your understanding so you can post a better comments.

And right now that the market is not in good condition therefore the number of projects that become scam are keep on increasing and only few are reaching their softcap and hardcap then continue to further development.

Good point Amel, very good point i think OP still have lots to learn, not knowing that projects team are responsible for bounty rules is OP's fault but this point of yours will surely enlighten the brain of many who thinks like him, low posts can't eradicate spammers off this forum

Spammers are individuals who only use this forum to make money and do not care about the quality of their posts. But those who respond according to their hearts and minds, they are the ones who deserve to be here. Although bounty managers reduce the number of posts per week, do you guarantee that spammers will reduce? instead it will increase spammers because it simplifies their work. Therefore, spammers are rogue, it's useless if the bounty manager reduces the number of posts.

Doomistake i can't remember where it says that you are free to insult or call people names on this forum, even if you think i have no point at all just say it instead of insulting, have some respect for your self, no one is perfect, i am here to learn and i never knew that project teams are the ones who makes rules for bounty managers to follow.

The thing is, no one force you to join any bounties in here. And Regarding flooding the forum is not bounty managers' fault.
Why? Because, as long you're not a spammer, not making any useless post, or post bursting, then everything's good. And they're also monitoring your post by giving you a warning about your bad post etc.

Let me ask you, do you know how to predict a scam projects? True, we have too mane scammed ones, but it's not bounty managers' doing. And spammers, it's more like an individual mistakes. I admit some bounty managers were too lazy to check each one of the posts made by their participants. But not everyone like that.

3x5 posts makes 15posts per week, don't tell me its hard to post 3posts per day, this is an act of laziness, why do people keep expecting things to come easily without breaking a sweat?

Most stupid opinion I've ever heard. Spamming and posting low quality post is always on the General Rules that it is prohibited, and the problem is not on the bounty managers but the spammers who joins the certain bounty. If you can't post a 15 good quality post per week, then don't force yourself, take your time to read stuffs that could help you to make that 15 post per week with a good quality post.


then find another thread where you could make a post, and again, you're so stupid for joining if you can't make a 15 post per week, it's like you're stabbing you're own self again and again but complaining that it hurts


The rules is the rules, it's not the bounty manager but it is the team who decides all of the rules in a certain bounty, idiot. *face palm*


You're the one who needs the adjustment (of your brain) perhaps.

Number of posts is not a problem because you can easily post 2 or 3 a day and within five days you can finish the minimum required post. The problem here is that bounty managers are lazy to check the post quality of each member of their campaign.

What is needed is that they have a law for it so that bounty hunters can also learn and be afraid to be removed from a camapaign if they break the law. (Spamming) post bursting,

Lol to me social media campaigns is more stressful and time consuming than signature campaigns, 10 posts is not bad but 15posts is not impossible either, just find the one you know you will be able to keep up with, viola

Honestly that 15 post a week is not that hard to complete you just need to post 3 post a day . If you think you cant finish that and you have other things to do you shouldnt join any signature campaign bounties. join only social media or blog campaign  in that case you will have many time and manager is not forcing you to join its your self decision to join .
 

Hi, got your point here and actually before there was a bounty campaign that you wouldn't need to meet that certain amount of posts, the requirement is just wear the signature and make post at least 1 or 2.

Sounds like you are not comfortable in writing, if you have nothing to say then look for a thread that you can relate and try to interact like quoting some post and add some value on it or if you disagree you can clear your point.

Bounty managers won't do that, and just tell you no one is forcing you to join their bounty and you can freely leave. Anyway, try to PM your manager about this instead, I mean they aren't lurking here mostly.

Lowering the weekly posts is a very good point but there is no forced put on bounty hunters here, before you promote a project you must have went through the rules and regulations and if you see something too much for you to keep up just find another bounty

I think the number of post is not a problem but I like the suggestion to lower the minimum so people will not be force to post just to hit the quota.

Let's get real here, we know there's a lot of bounty hunters that are just posting non sense just to pass the requirement weekly so they can get a stake, so I think the process should start in the selection process, bounty managers should give time to to do a manual selection process.

You can't post on child boards when promoting a signature campaign , its been stated in the bounty rules that posts made on any child boards will not be counted, i think bounty managers should be able to reason OP point with project teams, i think 10posts will do the job

Why do you feel forced to post when the bounty manager did not even forced you to join?
If you feel 15 posts per week is too much, don't join.
If you feel that you have nothing to contribute to a topic, do not comment on that. Find another that interests you or better yet, create a new quality topic.

Quoting for reference:

This rule often come from the project owners, they want their project to be seen everywhere and all the time in other to bring more traffics to their website.


I reasonably agree with you over this but it is not always the case because there are so many boards and child boards on this forum, you will always see what interest you when you check them.


Absolutely, bounty managers should not just be promoting for monetary reward only but for their good image, they should do their findings about each project offer to them for promotions to avoid scam project that can destroy their good image.

Bounty managers you are responsible for flooding this forum with too many posts, either good or spamming, why? because its ridiculous saying bounty hunters must post 15 posts per week

1. Its not every time we will have something to contribute on.
Most times i come on here i only see old posts that i have no interest in at all but due to meeting up with required bounty posts i will be forced to complete them, some posts are so useless or repetitive that you won't want to say a thing

2. This is another way to reduce spammers, few bounty managers i knew of will only request 7 to 10 posts per week which i feel its more than enough, moreover we have too many scam projects in this space already so not every bounty projects have guarantee

Bounty managers please try to adjust