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November 25, 2019, 02:43:07 AM
#11
We've had a lot of tech innovations. Have you ever asked why tech stack innovations haven't done anything to drive crypto usage? Ethereum was the first major rebuild tech project. It came with a lot of promises. The tech stack innovation list is long: consensus, mining, cryptography, privacy. Recently, there're stacks that promise even more flexibility like Polkadot. There're a lot of experiments. Even within Bitcoin, there're a lot: big block, SegWit, Lightning Network, sidechain.
i haven't seen that much innovations to be honest. swapping SHA256 with Keccak256 and secp256k1 with secp256r1 is a change but not an innovation in usage of cryptography. and ethereum is not the first nor the biggest rebuild, not by a long shot.

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We're still stuck at speculative phase. We can try tech stack rebuild for the next ten years. Maybe, we'll figure out something. But I think developers are wasting time building solutions to imaginary problems. We have enough technology to solve crypto problems for the next 5-10 years.
that's the thing though, we already have the technology and implementation of it that is working well. that is why i believe that if someone new wants to come along it has to be innovative.

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The problem is in crypto economics. I'm not changing just supply cap and block interval. I want a chain that has inflation as its main feature.
i get your point and it is an interesting approach BUT the problem is that this was also tried... multiple times... many of the bitcoin fork (which is probably about 200 at this point) has tackled inflation in one way or another.
economically such settings could not survive the long run. what inflation does to the price of a cryptocurrency is that it keeps decreasing it, and since traders nowadays know this already they won't touch such coins. having low price that keeps going down due to inflation means the chain could not be kept secure over the long run hence it could destined to fail from day one.

Thanks for the reply. We digress from this topic. But I want to respond. I personally view that we've tried so many combination of technology. I've been following the tech. I'm not hopeful. I can't see how further technology experiment would move the needle. I guess nobody has any good idea so we follow Vitalik on his latest tech proposal. I know Ethereum, Dogecoin, Grin have tail emission. But they are constant emission and intended to support mining. They eventually will behave like zero supply. Stella has inflation but their inflation is distributed through a voting process built on top of Stella protocol. They have since abandoned inflation. They may succeed if they really stick with inflation. But I think their priority is to come up with something that matches USD for payment.

I see the problem with dumping if supply inflates. So I design a reward schedule to prevent dumping.

0: 50 (supply: 10 million)
1: 25 (supply: 15 million)
2: 12.5
3: 6.25 (end of halving)
4: 6.56 (start of inflation 7%)
5: 7.02
6: 7.51
7: 8.04
8: 8.60
9: 9.20
10: 9.85 (supply: 31 million)

When inflation starts, the reward increases from 6.25 to 6.56. After 10 years, supply is 31 million. Supply will reach 100 million in between year 27-28. The chain has inflation. But it doesn't really mint that many tokens. Its supply is still restricted by inflation. There's a field of currency speculation. Fiat currencies have inflation. I don't worry that traders won't touch it because it has inflation.

I think this reward schedule can bootstrap an inflating crypto. That's the new idea.
legendary
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November 25, 2019, 12:11:56 AM
#10
We've had a lot of tech innovations. Have you ever asked why tech stack innovations haven't done anything to drive crypto usage? Ethereum was the first major rebuild tech project. It came with a lot of promises. The tech stack innovation list is long: consensus, mining, cryptography, privacy. Recently, there're stacks that promise even more flexibility like Polkadot. There're a lot of experiments. Even within Bitcoin, there're a lot: big block, SegWit, Lightning Network, sidechain.
i haven't seen that much innovations to be honest. swapping SHA256 with Keccak256 and secp256k1 with secp256r1 is a change but not an innovation in usage of cryptography. and ethereum is not the first nor the biggest rebuild, not by a long shot.

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We're still stuck at speculative phase. We can try tech stack rebuild for the next ten years. Maybe, we'll figure out something. But I think developers are wasting time building solutions to imaginary problems. We have enough technology to solve crypto problems for the next 5-10 years.
that's the thing though, we already have the technology and implementation of it that is working well. that is why i believe that if someone new wants to come along it has to be innovative.

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The problem is in crypto economics. I'm not changing just supply cap and block interval. I want a chain that has inflation as its main feature.
i get your point and it is an interesting approach BUT the problem is that this was also tried... multiple times... many of the bitcoin fork (which is probably about 200 at this point) has tackled inflation in one way or another.
economically such settings could not survive the long run. what inflation does to the price of a cryptocurrency is that it keeps decreasing it, and since traders nowadays know this already they won't touch such coins. having low price that keeps going down due to inflation means the chain could not be kept secure over the long run hence it could destined to fail from day one.
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November 24, 2019, 09:42:07 PM
#9
There are a lot of tech stacks already for crypto. I don't think the problem is with the technology. I'm experimenting with monetary policy. I'm making a coin with inflation. I think Bitcoin model, Proof of Work, is good for making decentralized money. So I think building it out of Bitcoin model is a good choice. Another candidate for inflation fork would be Litecoin.

I designed the reward schedule to give early adopters more coins. But some users have asked me about wallet options. That is why I'm doing some research on this topic.

if there is user requests then it makes sense.

as for the coin itself, if all that you are changing is the supply model (supply cap, block rewards, halvings, block intervals,...) then it is not going to be considered a new project. it will be yet another poor copy of bitcoin.

i personally would value a coin that was created from scratch a lot more than a coin that simply copied bitcoin. i am sure others are like this too if you check out bitcoin copies prices! and there is a ton of things in bitcoin that could be changed to improve the result. from small things such as transaction structure and certain encodings (eg. DER for signatures) to more advanced topics such the cryptography (eg. usage of ECC and SHA-2) and scripting language.

We've had a lot of tech innovations. Have you ever asked why tech stack innovations haven't done anything to drive crypto usage? Ethereum was the first major rebuild tech project. It came with a lot of promises. The tech stack innovation list is long: consensus, mining, cryptography, privacy. Recently, there're stacks that promise even more flexibility like Polkadot. There're a lot of experiments. Even within Bitcoin, there're a lot: big block, SegWit, Lightning Network, sidechain.

We're still stuck at speculative phase. We can try tech stack rebuild for the next ten years. Maybe, we'll figure out something. But I think developers are wasting time building solutions to imaginary problems. We have enough technology to solve crypto problems for the next 5-10 years. The problem is in crypto economics. I'm not changing just supply cap and block interval. I want a chain that has inflation as its main feature.
legendary
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November 24, 2019, 03:57:20 AM
#8
I'm making a Bitcoin fork.

instead of wasting your time copying bitcoin you should focus on starting an actual project from scratch and try to come up with something new!
also a mobile wallet should be the last thing you focus on simply because a mobile wallet is a wallet that user carries around not something for storage (investment). at the start (even if your project were good) you can't expect people wanting to carry around your coin and in fact you should discourage them from using a mobile wallet "for storage".

There are a lot of tech stacks already for crypto. I don't think the problem is with the technology. I'm experimenting with monetary policy. I'm making a coin with inflation. I think Bitcoin model, Proof of Work, is good for making decentralized money. So I think building it out of Bitcoin model is a good choice. Another candidate for inflation fork would be Litecoin.

I designed the reward schedule to give early adopters more coins. But some users have asked me about wallet options. That is why I'm doing some research on this topic.

if there is user requests then it makes sense.

as for the coin itself, if all that you are changing is the supply model (supply cap, block rewards, halvings, block intervals,...) then it is not going to be considered a new project. it will be yet another poor copy of bitcoin.

i personally would value a coin that was created from scratch a lot more than a coin that simply copied bitcoin. i am sure others are like this too if you check out bitcoin copies prices! and there is a ton of things in bitcoin that could be changed to improve the result. from small things such as transaction structure and certain encodings (eg. DER for signatures) to more advanced topics such the cryptography (eg. usage of ECC and SHA-2) and scripting language.
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Bitflate developer
November 16, 2019, 01:29:08 AM
#7
I'm making a Bitcoin fork.

instead of wasting your time copying bitcoin you should focus on starting an actual project from scratch and try to come up with something new!
also a mobile wallet should be the last thing you focus on simply because a mobile wallet is a wallet that user carries around not something for storage (investment). at the start (even if your project were good) you can't expect people wanting to carry around your coin and in fact you should discourage them from using a mobile wallet "for storage".

There are a lot of tech stacks already for crypto. I don't think the problem is with the technology. I'm experimenting with monetary policy. I'm making a coin with inflation. I think Bitcoin model, Proof of Work, is good for making decentralized money. So I think building it out of Bitcoin model is a good choice. Another candidate for inflation fork would be Litecoin.

I designed the reward schedule to give early adopters more coins. But some users have asked me about wallet options. That is why I'm doing some research on this topic.
legendary
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November 16, 2019, 12:32:40 AM
#6
I'm making a Bitcoin fork.

instead of wasting your time copying bitcoin you should focus on starting an actual project from scratch and try to come up with something new!
also a mobile wallet should be the last thing you focus on simply because a mobile wallet is a wallet that user carries around not something for storage (investment). at the start (even if your project were good) you can't expect people wanting to carry around your coin and in fact you should discourage them from using a mobile wallet "for storage".
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November 15, 2019, 12:06:05 PM
#5
I also believe electrum is the best best due to the performance of the wallet  but looking for alternative won't hurt which is why i will advice you to look into the wallet used by Energi and Decoin cause the wallet was actually the same (with terms of concept with features) and i also believe is an open source wallet.
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November 15, 2019, 05:12:19 AM
#4
I did some research and found Electrum, BreadWallet. Litecoin has LoafWallet which forked from BreadWallet. Are there any other options?

Apart from the wallets you have listed, Copay, Jaxx, GreenAddress, Guarda etc are some of the Mobile wallets that are open source.
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November 14, 2019, 01:15:32 AM
#3
I have an odd question. Seems like this is the place to ask. I'm making a Bitcoin fork. I'm looking to create a mobile wallet for it. What are the popular open source mobile wallets? I did some research and found Electrum, BreadWallet. Litecoin has LoafWallet which forked from BreadWallet. Are there any other options?


Mobile wallets for bitcoin-rpc is easy to create. Heck, you can even do it with a wordpress website.
legendary
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November 14, 2019, 12:25:40 AM
#2
Electrum is good enough. No point on looking another open-source wallet unless it's for another device that's not yet supported by those wallets.
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Bitflate developer
November 13, 2019, 02:31:12 PM
#1
I have an odd question. Seems like this is the place to ask. I'm making a Bitcoin fork. I'm looking to create a mobile wallet for it. What are the popular open source mobile wallets? I did some research and found Electrum, BreadWallet. Litecoin has LoafWallet which forked from BreadWallet. Are there any other options?
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