Topic: Other Forum members are more civil than Legendary members, Why? (Read 1015 times)

I mean like from a thinking logically instead of emotionally in that sense. I mean maybe emotion was not the best word for it I was just trying to he polite. What the OP is really trying to dig at is that he is noticing a trend of rudeness towards other users I suspect. I definitely want conversations to be organic as well.

I don't think not all of them are like that, some of them just really want to get out what they want to say out there and some just don't like it I guess. Bad Legendaries aren't like bad apples anyway, just cause there's someone out there that's diva attitude or feeling like they've got all the power, that don't mean that it's all of them. I don't like the idea of putting cap on emotions, that's weird and robotic dude, I want the conversations to be organic if possible.

I disagree. This has changed since the introduction of the merit system in 2018, you can longer receive airdropped merits for doing next to thing. Now you have be a good poster to earn merits and make it all the way to Legendary rank.

Ofcourse rank does not define the sincerity of the account owner. That’s why we have the Trust system. There have been situations where new accounts have shocked the community with their honesty and there have been instances where legendary members absconded with money left in their possession.

Dont judge people by their rank. Legendary account means nothing. A person can sit his ass here for years posting bounty reports only and got legendary+1000 merit only because he has got enough activity.

Like newbies and legendary can be both equally rotten.

Civility is subjective really.

You will get rude people everywhere, on anonymous forums and in real life, it depends on how YOU react to it.. With respect to opening post I don't see it as dependant on forum rank. I have seen people of lower ranks behave exceptionally badly here and conversely I have seen some of the higher ranks act admirably even under fire.

I think in all situations you have to take into consideration the amount of time people have been here, people who have been here a long time may come across as harsh or critical merely because they have had to endure the same mindless questions and posts and over time that can become grating for the best of us.

I think rather than debate behaviours that we personally find negative (use block) we should address the massive amount of opening statement posts that occur every day in the hunt for merit but actually serve no purpose in the grand scheme of our little sphere and mostly just point out the obvious (from other sources) which admittedly I personally find very annoying, although I would never go so far as to be outright rude. Sarcastic maybe but not rude!

Lets all play nice and just discuss our favourite topic without really worrying about about other peoples frankly irrelevant online personas.

Have a great day.

How people respond to questions most times has a lot to do with individuality and not their ranking most of the times so I don't really see a big deal out of that which you may be trying to make a deal off, there are other ranking members below legendary who also makes responds too the way they feel it's fine even if it spites you, some times these response are even correctional response because there are somethings that are expected of you to know without having to create a thread to inquire of them so when you bring up such, you should expect some kind of response that may not sit well with you and that's why newbies and always advised to do more of reading and studying how the forum works than jumping quickly to posting already.

If at any point you are sure of the information you are sharing but it's been down played upon or you feel like at any point you are been bullied, I'm sure there's a thread that address that and also tell you what to do if need be you take actions, make sure to go through important threads in beginners and help.

I mean honestly some of the legendary folks probably do feel more important in a sense and maybe have that cocky or bully persona about them but a very small percentage of these which I have honestly seen my share of as well. I just laugh because it shows their true character an the inability to put a cap on your emotions and others emotions as well.

I would like to correct a misconception here which is the word bully, it's never supposed to be seen as bully but correction, I don't know why most people think that when they get corrected or they witness disagreement with their ideals that is a bully.

Most time some people are just pissed off on how low quality some statements are and hence correct such statement with high turn or disagree totally with the ideal and I don't see it as bully especially when it comes to high rank member speaking to a low rank member it's considered bully immediately.

How often do you guys see legendary members bully each other as speculated except in the reputation board where they all try to maintain their reputations hence misinterpreting each other's words, I have personally observed people like Pmalek and NotATether when they are corrected whether by newbie or high rank member they return such favour with merit and I believe that it's lack of merit that makes most newbies think they are being bullied.

I agree with the second paragraph of the comment it's just the simple truth.

That is only on a newbie perspective like you. But if you are going to ask us, legendary members are just trying to go straight to the point so that newbies will learn quickly and get the main point directly without hitting around the bush. If that would mean being rude to the new members, then I must say you are not embracing what the forum is all about. Not all members are kind and soft spoken, and probably that’s what they really are, but we are not after with their personalities but their abilities to share the knowledge to the newbies. At the end of the day, we are gathered here to share and exchange relevant ideas, not to criticize one’s personality and rudeness.

If you notice there's an ignore button in case you've been hurt by what other members are saying against you, or better take it as constructive criticism as a way to improve and help you rank, make your motivating factor, there are also a lot of good legendary members it's just unfortunate you stumble on the members that you think is arrogant based on your standard.
You will eventually get used to it, and you will meet good members who help you out on your journey here in Bitcointalk, just do the right thing here and follow the forum rules.

Op throughout my days as a newbie till date I didn't get insulted or abused by any senior member or legendary member of the forum but often times a member can disagree with your opinion concerning a point you are trying to prove you guys can argue during the process and some misunderstanding can occur but your ability to control your emotions matters most during this time. The forum is not against anyone disagreeing with your opinion but it becomes an offense when there is threat to life by another member. You can also post the link showing where you think you were abused by a member I believe such person will be cautioned by the moderators.

This is extremely funny Op, you think is only legendary member that does that? Even newbies do use abusive way of relating with other members, there's nothing like pride maybe a little of it, that's how some people are no matter where they find them self and some don't know how to use words that won't look like an insult. Even you can start using those insulting words on other members when you get to that legendary rank, sometimes not because of the rank but that's how you are, what you're replying to might trigger the rudeness in you. The thing is you can't change it and never you let it get to you. Haven't you seen a Sr Member using harsh words on a low ranked member? Something like that happened to me. Shit happens so let it slide. Don't forget that is not the rank that's making those post, is someone like you and you can't change someone who's rude.

The OP of this thread is very dumb, my instincts tells me that he doesn't know or know his way around this place thats why he's creating an offt topic posts on a board where we were supposed to discuss on a serious discussion.
As long as you have been taking your time to tell the OP his errors and he's not making an attempt to take corrections you should just leave him for others on the DT to decide on what to do. As you are trying to correct the OP of his mistakes he's not making amends and that's disrespectful, so it is better to leave him, moreover looking at his profile I can see 1 neutral tag already. Unbelievable.

Straight to the OP, the reason why a legendary rank or any rank on this forum will bully or correct you is only when you are wrong and you can't say when one correct you you will not have to take correction, that's when bully comes in, one cam not bully yiu when you ate right.

I know where you came from and I am sorry that I do not agree with you. You might have a different point of view, but don't expect everyone to agree with you. I saw the thread and the replies where you were discussing political things. If you care too much about how members behave, stay away from hitting discussion of be ready to accept criticism.

Some of my closest friends do not agree with me but I don't have to insult them. I don't want to impose my beliefs on them. If I try to impose my beliefs on them, surely they will act weird and I won't be surprised if they insult me. If you hurt someone's belief, do you expect them to talk with you nicely? It does not matter if they are some random newbie or what! they will act according to their feelings.

Nobody know what this forum is meant to be for, its for sure not meant to be for all the drama on the REP-board all "rep-members" is active in daily. but nobody complain abut that.
So I agree with you the forum is big enough for us to have peps with different characters and opinions if the boss group accept it of course =)
But you have right if a newbie make some mistake that is a mistake and not something someone THINK is a mistake, they should be guided the right way in a kind way, but how often does it happen? =)



Very good answer and deserves merits merits IMO tho I am broke on it and never get any !

And also, this reputable users is nothing special, it only shows that they been online here more then others, is that something to be proud of?
But just look how many of them how they behave in reputation board, like a immature nine year old hyena. And I am pretty sure why, the most people act like idiots on the internet no matter what its here, Facebook or Instagram because they take out something they don't dare to take out IRL feelings of course. M
aybe they got bullied as a kid? Or they hate their job? Or wish they had a job? Or whatever it can be.. it's not you that is the problem it's their life, in many of the cases. so just ignore them because we have good power on this forum that will help you and be kind to you anyway. The bad group are not needed and they can have their "online-fight-party" if they want so. as you said, the forum is global so I agree 100%.

And as I said OP "The loudest one in the room, is the weakest one in the room.” -
So don't care to much and have this in your head. This users would never ever dare to act like this if they was in front of you NEVER. And what does that makes them? IMO: Weak and nothing to take serious.


But now I am talking about the people that act like asses.
The most people does not act like this and is very friendly and respectful and they are the forum and they are our guidelines, the others is just clowns that you easy can ignore.  


I see it on every ranked member, they take things personal and that's not a forum problem that's a world problem, people take so much personal for zero reason.

TRUE. They answer like they know everything (at least in gambling & trading section) but that is IMO just scam because their answer is a pure lie and of course they do it to earn the small amount they get from a sign-camp, but that's fine the forum is global. but don't talk about things you know zero to little about when someone actually can listen to it!

Good luck to OP! But one thing I disagree with "Other Forum members are more civil than Legendary members, Why?" -Don't put everyone on a pedestal, you got amazing high ranked members here that is cool, friendly and a lot of knowledge, it just a small group that act like assholes, and that's work the same in the rest of the world. The most is good, but a few are bad. 

I’ll put this in question format;
Will you be proud of yourself should you someday attain the Hero/Legendary rank on this forum? (Don’t need you to answer that out loud though, just to yourself)

Again, the idea that legendary or ranked users have got superior knowledge is false. You might refer that in contexts of the forum and even that could be wrong too. As, not so many users explore every aspect of the forum. Some users stick yo a niche and that’s how the knowledge on the forum is carved too.

Being personal and personal about contributions,,,
Well, haven’t been on the forum for sometime, you get so attached to the forum and wouldn’t like to see anyone ruin the quality of things here. That is no excuse for being any abusive or use offensive words towards anyone just because of their forum rank but, some users just don’t learn from others and having to repeat what have been treated so many times just pushes for a little outburst from those that can’t handle it.

Best thing to do, understand that the forum is global, the diversity in humans and see some of these for some criticism. Focus on what’s positive and grow thick skin.

I want to agree with what you are saying but I find it not totally accurate because I have seen both low position members who are bullying other ranks too. It's not just a custom that legendary rank bullies low rank every time without any cause, there are usually some repetitive mistakes by some fellow newbies which tempts the legendary make harsh comments.

It's not all the legendary rank on the forum that does what you are saying, most legendary are very civil too. You don't expect member on this forum to actually behave in the way that can only please you and displeas them or someone else. It's a free forum and anyone can say what ever they feel like.

This forum is big enough for us to have peop of different characters, so expect to see more of this, but know that this forum is not meant for that, some may agree with our opinions and others may not, we cannot just forced some against their wish, but when a newbie makes mistakes, it's not a bad thing to be corrected and that is not bullying, when you're talking about being bullied, then discrimination has set in the which is not how we do here.

Ok, cool
But I haven't see any newbie get bullied by higher ranked users tho, but I have see that this user act very immature sometimes but that a different story and nothing I got power to speak about now.
But I explained what think could be a reason based on opinions nothing more.

Have a good evening mate.

It was a joke, of course. OP wrote that my post asking for examples of newbies being bullied by legendaries is a type of abuse going on on Bitcointalk. By asking suchmoon why she is such a bully (by not agreeing with OP), I wanted to show how ridiculous such claims are. She got the joke. It's best to lock this thread as it's not going anywhere and OP isn't serious about proving his allegations.   

If you think that a member is acting out of line, simply make a comment on why you think so. If your comment is a well reasoned one, you will find that members who act appropriately may agree with you...in some cases.

The reason I say in some cases is because that there is a level of validity to your post. Some members have grown such a power in the forum where they can (and sometimes do) cross the line and get away with it, as others fear getting roped into drama, or in some cases, being persecuted, for speaking against powerful members. Unfortunately, you have two choices here. Go against the grain and speak up (which may cause potentially undeserved consequences), or move on (maybe reluctantly, but with less drama as a result).

Because some of them are more vocal with their opinions and can articulate what they want to say better than most of us and sometimes when multiple like that exists in an enclosed like this one, they'll eventually find some differences that they're going to disagree upon and are passionate about, best thing to do when this happens is that don't join the talk between these people unless your username is specifically mentioned by others then your all good, most of the time, those disagreements are within their circle of people anyway so you don't worry about them, you know kind of like being in prison, keep your head low and you'll keep that head from rolling and don't ask questions unless you're being asked to, that's it.

Pretty heavy accusation to throw willy-nilly my friend. At the very least you could've provided receipts stating what you're claiming to be the case. I checked on your profile for posts where you got attacked by a Legendary member and I don't see any, so this is either some post you made up cause you see some of them being very vocal about their statements or you're just trying to stir up some trouble in this forum, either way I don't think it's fair to these people that you accuse them of something and you can't back up what you're trying to say.

Plus I don't think I have ever seen someone here scrutinize someone for their personal affiliation just yet, and even then if they did that would be grounds for account bans. Feels like you're just butthurt for those who got called out by legendaries for subpar content, or for what I think what you think is them being very harsh on lower ranking members when the truth of the matter is that they're just being very personalized with their way of conveying their thoughts. Either way not inherently bad for the forum all in all.

Thing is wherever you go there will be people who won't agree with your shit, let's just be real on that. It's how you react upon these people that would determine whether you're really cut for this forum or you want those echo chambers where they keep patting themselves on the back even though they knew with 1000% certainty they are doing the wrong thing.

I don't know if you did joke or not with your question, but I will give you a honest thinking that often is the reason why people act like that on the internet:

People that often bully others on internet behind a monitor was often bullied themself as kids and are extremely insecure, unhappy and sad and depressed. (and get bullied sucks and I am against it to to 100%)
But instead to change their life to the better and work hard they take the easy and lazy way in lif and go online and spread the hate they have inside them on innocent people.
That's how it often is in cases like this. But we all knows about this right? "The loudest one in the room, is the weakest one in the room.”
But regarding "suchmoon" I got no idea. But one thing I am pretty sure of if we all would meet in real life the way people act here would not be the same they act IRL. That I can assure you.
Just ignore it and move on or join and stand behind it, it's up to you.  
But for every "hate/troll" this user say, they more it says about the user then any other user. So I just laugh at it because I know the real behind the behavior and I hope one day she/he realize the real way to happiness,
I was my self very low one time in life and on a journey to change, still got lows, but trying to be nice to others and my self. If you want a change in the world or life, you gotta start with yourself.
It's nothing cool to act tough anonymous it totally the opposite weak and nerdy and what I mean is: It's not about who you hang with it's about who you are and what your action is.
We all are the same same but different, nobody stay over anyone else.  
But anyway if it make him/her happy let it go. it's not like she/he have any success to be proud of in life anyway and I can assure you she/he got here struggles in life and bully people here maybe makes here a bit happier.  

Respect.

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To OP @Funke

Maybe because they don't know how the forum works, the say what they think, they haven't choose "gang" yet? they have the guts to say what they think even if it's right or wrong.
Here if you say wrong or go against a a rep-group or a rep-member you could would end up with some lie's on your feedback wall and get your reputation destroyed just because you only shared your opinion.
REP-Members know that so they avoid it. New members don't. Could be a reason? And the one's giving feedback don't care because for them "neutral" is the same like say "Hey you are ugly" but what they missing is that many users listen to what they say even if it's true or not.

And many REP-members think they stand over all others because they got some irrelevant status but they missing a big point, life is bigger then this and its very sad because we all here share one thing the love of crypto and decentralized places so instead of argue who got the biggest penis we could go together as as a group and this forum would improve and be a strong community, as now it's just a sad place with some low exception's and I think 95% is here only to earn money and nothing else.
 
BUT! You can still find good information, good people and so on.
But as I said in beginning if you do something that a REP-member does not like they can easy destroy your account, and that is a kind of power nobody should have in the world wherever whatever it is.

That is my opinion.

Respect and Best regards
BabyBandit.

Thing is this forum's not an echo chamber, and I think that while Hero and Legendary members definitely start to show their attitude here, it's for the greater good of the forum altogether. Why?

Well, would you rather have people here who are nothing but Yesmen, those who would always agree with you or be polite to you whenever you make a massive mistake, or a polarizing opinion that would otherwise affect not only you but the forum itself, or would you rather have genuine people with real personalities who, while otherwise prickly, are true to themselves and to what they believe in? Personally I'd choose the latter as it gives this forum more life and ensures that it promotes true interactions and not ones made for the sake of farming merits. You get me my friend? And while I'm not saying we should tolerate some of these legendary members when they start going ballistic and shit, I say we shouldn't report people just because they don't agree with you.

Well, honestly, the rank of anyone member here is not commensurate with their knowledge disposal. Some high ranking members became so due to merits they received either from their known pals here or by any other means. Check the post count and quality of post that earned them the rank and one would see that many are just opportuned to have attained the rank.
Still, they have the right to scrutinize and criticize whatever content is being published here.

There's no need to be emotional or hold any grudge against a legendary member because this isn't a one on one conversation where faces would be looked at. Don't take any word or sentence or statement personal. Just try to be yourself despite the critics and that's how to attain the highest rank here.
No hate, only love and understanding.

@funke, from what I can see, Poker Player was not insulting your person in that thread. He was addressing the article you gathered the information from. I hope you do not expect people to believe and accept everything you post here without questioning your opinion or having their own views.

I think all this sensitive behavior newbies claim to have is a facade. They desperately want to see cyber bullying where there isn’t. Probably it’s the only way they feel they can be seen and heard is to play victim of the system. 

I am also a Legendary Member, so do you feel me that I am also like the same as you are describing as Rude 

I would suggest that you name those members with proof else people like me can say the same thing about you that you are giving wrong feedback about us 


Some posters may be aggressive and abusive too (depends upon the conversation) but this has nothing to do with the rankings. Even a Newbie members are sometimes found to be "out of control". By the way, A Legendary Member was sometimes a Newbie too and ranked up. Personality does not change with ranking or does it?

In approaching your answers towards the posts of legendary members, it's important to provide facts and not just "saying that this is what's happening" and it's not gonna be taken lightly and understood because there's no evidence.

Let me get this clear OP, you are baiting the Legendary members to post here and use that as the proof? That is the proof that you have? You incited it in the first place and provided zero evidence of what you are talking about and then said along the lines of "told you so" because of the replies.

This is lyrically wrong and I would have to disagree with you because because few could look insulting but do not generally mean that every legendary rank have the same characters. You will have to abolish this claim because it is untrue. Almost 70% of the legendary rank ha e the humility to advise and help each and every remaining ranks on how to deal with random situations.

For you to accuse every legendary members mean maybe you had been attacked before for something wrong and you think that they ought not to address you in that manners. Almost everyone in this forum had been address in an inappropriate manners not less than twice since when we have been here in the forum.

Hehehehehe... 😂

You should've been here pre-2020 to observe what abusive comments were during the days of Lauda and other supremos. As a newbie you would've felt unworthy with any acerbic response of those ilks on your posts. It wasn't funny. What we've now is mild use of language when compared to that era. Their acerbic responses weren't unleashed on newbies alone. You could see such mudslinging among the legendary users too. Again, rude behaviour knows no class, age, clan etc. It cuts across. It's not a legendary thing alone that people here decide to be overtly imposing in their interactions with others. The only reason newbies don't display such supposed rudeness is because they fear high ranked members might gang up against them. They wait until they rank up to retaliate and the circle continues.

You've a strong point there!

Well, welcome to the real world, everyone has different standard of politeness, and you can't expect them to follow yours. People will be rude especially if you can not punch them in the face while they doing that. And about why higher-ranking tend to be rude and arrogant, I guess it's just the same, in this forum and in real-life people who think they have more knowledge and experiences tend to show more arrogance toward other who they think less than them. If you have been on the internet enough one or two words shouldn't hurt you, don't be weak.

I blame my parents, the society, this forum and Satoshi in particular, because it's obviously everyone else's fault that I turned out this way.

It's very common for people this days to see correction as been arrogant or pride, rather than picking positive corrections while discarding the negative once, because on a public forum just as this, you can't expect everybody to be saints or civil on their means of reacting to issues that goes off the forum rules and regulations, because as a Newbie, it's very certain that those set of people are prone to making lots of mistake, of which you can't just expect everybody to be civil at all times when reacting to post or thread created on the forum. Hence, it's high time newbies get to understand that bitcointalk is a public space, and as such you don't expect everybody to feed you with milk and better, but be willing and able to withstand whatever pressure that may come your way in a civilized manner, because it's not easy to attain the rank of a Legendary member, hence, they deserves our respect, unless for a few who fails to respect themselves.

Why do you always have to bully others?

You post something that another member thinks is bullshit, so they say that. You both expressed your opinions. However you feel the other member is insulting and bullying you, even though they never said anything against your person, just disagreed with your opinion. You have an option to respond to their opinion but you choose to resort to fallacies (tone complaint etc) in a chickenshit roundabout way by creating a thread about non-existent bullying.

Let's say he (Op) is among the set of people who claims they really wants to learn whereas they are never interested in learning. In their subconscious state of mind they rejected corrections to them they have accepted it but their ego refuses them to let go of their wrongs.
The screaming is just a way of calling attention off what they did so that it's seems obvious that they know what they are saying. deep down they must have learnt from your correction but never accepts it in an open place inorder to get a stupid reputation.

I have created a thread some months ago in the B&H board trying to let newbies know about quoting wrongly in order to claim (knowledge) wise but most of them turn the advise down because maybe I'm a kid or a newbie too and they are mostly graduates in some courses but ignorant in other areas of life.

For people like you pmalek you tried your best to keep people in the right track but if they don't listen it's left for them you have done your part.

It sounds to me that if you don't agree with Funke, have a different opinion, or point out how wrong they are, they will get offended, scream, and call you a bully. If that's the case, then it's their own insecurity that is the cause of the problems they believe exist. Several people have asked to see examples of unwarranted acts of aggression of legendary members against newbies and there still aren't any.     

I have told OP countless of times about his posting styles that are always off topics, that it's not making much sense to be writing things that are meant to be posted in your social media handles that will be seen as likely a mere post than post it here in the forum.

Although we are mates or the same level he (op) would likely not listen to my advise. Clearly he has no prove of insults or bullying but from some comments in his post he most have experienced some kind of aggressive advises that sounds hash but only in his perspective while the reasons for such response is because he reluctantly refused to change his posting styles or area of posting but its all to point him to the right direction but he doesn't see it that way.

One thing I always advise my fellow newbies is before posting or publishing any content in the forum you most first consider the core purpose of the forum which is Bitcoin discussion and then before you can diversify your content but let it not leave without a true purpose of the forum by doing that you tend to create more interesting contents than off topics.

Funke grow a thicker skin! Focus more on Bitcoin related stuffs and learn. Use this link https://learnmeabitcoin.com/ and learn more about Bitcoin so you can change your posting styles, it's all for your good mate don't take things personal. Life is too short to argue some kind of shit!

So my request that you post some proof or give examples how you are being bullied hurt your feelings? And due to that horrible state you are in, you are not capable of providing anything? My terrible "bullying" of you came after you created this thread, remember? That means that you should have older examples of terrible insults of me and others like me against you. I hope I am not hurting your feelings by stating that.

This and many more are examples of insults and bullying by legendary members to express their point which they feel is better than the points of newbies. I never wanted to remember them , that was why I kept the thread going to see whether others have had the same experience. The thread was actually created for legendary members to also see what others are saying about their behavior then have a change of approach to public discussions. I know I am newbie, I am ready to learn but no through insults and bullying. Thank you for requesting for proof.

We are now on the third page of this thread and Funke never returned to answer any of the questions that were asked here. He never offered any examples of the abuse and bullying he experienced or noticed that it was happening against other users. If you create a discussion, you usually come back to it and participate in the exchange of opinions. The way it looks now, OP isn't interested in that. So, did you start this thread just for the sake of starting a thread or what was the purpose?

Not all but I definitely agree with you especially on users that is obviously spamming the forum with nonsense topics and comment.

You won’t blame them since they already encountered many problematic user. So it’s either you will grow a thick skin to just ignore them or let their words sink in to destroy your self confidence. Just improve along the way and don’t make their words control you. Most importantly improve yourself if the problem is you because they are just correcting you in their own negative harsh way.

Legendary members being abusive in words or not(which I doubt they are), but one thing is for certain, they either want to correct the newbie for what they don't know or get wrong.

A newbie should not allow the words of legendary members to get to them, as this will negatively impact their stay on the forum and cause them to stray from their primary goal of learning about and gaining an understanding of cryptocurrency.

Since this is a public forum, everyone is free to express their opinions as long as they pass information that other ranked members or newbies will find understandable.

I don't agree with what the OP said, and it seems like his mentality is too weak. This is a public forum that you should know, study and understand before saying something that I think is not true.
And what I know is that they are just firm, that doesn't mean they are impolite like you said and I think they are good and also always provide good directions or solutions because their job is to ensure that this forum remains of high quality. And they can also educate members under them and new members to be better in everything in this forum so that it remains well maintained, and can also become good successors like them.
And what you need to know is that they will be strict if a member makes a mistake or is not good enough to violate the forum rules. And they will be kind if there are new members or subordinates who are good and don't make the slightest mistake, because it will have fatal consequences because they want this forum to remain high quality and also continue to be popular. And they are right as you say for no apparent reason, this forum will not continue to be popular and be the best forum as most people say.

 It's good to not base your judgement on just a few interactions with the higher ranked members because that would mean you are generalizing. Just as the others have said, it's a public space where people are entitled to how they talk and according to a link that was provided that gave us insight to why this thread was created, it's quite obvious you weren't pleased by how one user may have responded.
, probably his opinion didn't match what you wanted hence you decided to go on a rampage, calling out the higher ranks. You might be right on your observations but then it's not just the higher ranks alone. From what you've posted here, it shows you too are emotional and is taking it personal, don't you think?
 If a matter seems a bit disturbing to you, or you find that a user was not civil in his approach to you, why not do the most civil thing and air your grievances via PM instead of creating a thread. What do you hope to achieve? The defaulter apologizing and promising to change his ways?
Dude, this is a public space so people can say things how they see it and it's up to you to take it in good stride or ignore.

We all have a share of that not only legendaries I had a lot of encounters with newbies and many of them gave me bad words when I was just correcting their errors of abusing the forum rules, and also it's not good to single out without giving samples of what you are calling abuse, this is an open forum as long as the discussion does not go to threat,  people should go along with it, you can choose to ignore the member that does this or just move and do not engage.
I haven't seen any personal attacks so far all are just for the sake of discussion.

That’s also my perspective on that. It can’t be avoided that there will be a bargain of behaviors in the forum as we are raised from different cultures, some might be soft in their words  and some might be used on using tough words, but it’s not really an issue unless if you give meaning to those. And the fact that we are dealing with a public forum, expect the unexpected. But the main focus here is learning, so most likely if that’s the best way they can express their own opinions or ideas, then you can’t do nothing about it but just learn from them.

I would suggest you to read posts of many Legendary members before making a conclusion. The Legendary members or even high ranked legendary members are very good in nature but surely it's a free forum and anyone can speak what they want to speak.

Most of the forum members try to avoid conflicts and don't really argue with those whose opinions they don't like and trust me most of such users are Legendary members. If a newbie goes to lending board and ask for a loan without providing any collateral then should Legendary members should not reply to such users?

If someone who isn't aware of things in proper way and comes to share the knowledge with others even if he/she doesn't know the things properly then you think that person will get a positive response? I would say no, so that's why you should read more members of the forum before making your mindset.

If you really think that the Legendary members are egoistic or rude due to their ranks then kindly share some details about the members that you think are more egoistic due to their knowledge. If you're someone alt account then you should gather some courage and post from your real account.

I agree with those who requested for an example of these "abuse" that you are referring to. A lot of the younger generations are simply too green and may have been shielded from the harsher realities so they easily get hurt if someone use profanities. Even being straightforward and telling a statistical fact like "you are fat" is considered as shaming or abusive nowadays. Thin-skinned.

Not actually pride but let’s just say that these legendary members are highly experienced already  that they become very practical as well. They don’t have to beat around the bush since it’s only a waste of time, but stick to the point where it is needed. And if you say they are using words that are quite offensive or rude to others, I guess you have to not expect kind words all the time since the world itself is even tough. Sometimes, for us to get the point easily, we need not hurtful words actually but short and precise words that will leave an impact to everyone.

when you make some sort of complaint without any valid reference link to the original post, it makes me feel like the person you're tryna summon is even right for being a little bit cruel ( ofcourse if the case is what @lovesmay described below, then that wasn't cruelty).. pin down that point!
exactly!! Which is definitely what you're portraying even as a newbie.. who's being emotional here? does that really commensurate with your topic?
probably just you. Out of the number of trolls we've got in here, how Many of them are legendary members? How many are newbies and members?.. I'm crapping right now!

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You make an incredibly reasonable point! No matter what their standing, there will always be a small percentage of inappropriate behavior in each group. A few bad apples doesn't mean that everyone who has been in the community for a long time is like that. Nor does it suggest that everyone who has been around for a long time is like that. It's crucial, in my opinion, to keep in mind that there are always going to be some people who don't speak for the group as a whole and to wait for everyone to exhibit their genuine selves before drawing conclusions. Perhaps the original poster had a negative encounter with a single individual, but that doesn't suggest that everyone with a large number of posts or legendary status will be that way.


There's no doubt that the energy you bring to a room can affect how other people see you. You're accurate, I believe, that talks don't typically turn into aggressive or bullying conduct unless provoked. It's likely that there was something that caused someone to feel assaulted or insulted. People are generally more inclined to react positively to the energy they are given, however there will always be exceptions.

Adding to that, with which I totally agree, it clearly depends on the person's character and, of course, being a legendary doesn't make you a better person. There may be people who hide behind their rank.

However, there is a great button right below every user's avatar that says "Ignore". If you press it, you will never see this person's posts again.

I guess it depends on the energy you bring to this this place and who sees your posts. If you are negative and criticizing, you will surely be met by the same energy from the other side. I have never seen a normal conversation turn into bullying and abusive behavior without a reason. If you have some examples of that, do show us and let's figure out what happened. Generally, you are not going to get attacked by normal members of the forum (regardless of rank) if you don't give them any reasons to attack you.

Agree with you mate as this is an open forum that everyone has a freedom of speech we can not control Their emotions once they feel better in that way of posting or when they are expressing Their ideas then we can not blame them as their words touches some of us here in our community. But anyways if everytime they post is not against the rules and regulations here in our forum then nothing we really worry about. Unless They used some bad words or else deathreats.

I advise you to look away my friend, since the forum supports some excesses where some people would be using vulgar words unchallenged, there is no way something like this will not happen. Frankly, some are very rude and are trollers, but it would be unfair to generalise them as it is a few of the high-ranked members who do that. Some will even start arguing with a mere excerpt where what they are actually urging is the same as yours but is inside the main body which they ignored. That is laziness to read, but are perfect in thought, nevertheless, they are the most appreciated. Even the world is not balanced, so live by it.

Of course, this is pride that shows the lack of self-control and uncultured attitude and it is emboldened by too much freedom. It would have stopped if the forum frowned at it. Most of them can't tell me that this is how they were abusive and unfriendly from the beginning when they were junior in rank. They were only later intoxicated.

As it is, this is a public forum, just connect less emotionally so that they will not get into you. It's not just worth it.

Regardless of the account ranking, basically every user is different. You should accept differences of opinion and other people's ways of presenting things, but if you don't like them because you're offended, then put them in your ignore list. In this forum we come from various countries and different cultures and this is what makes this forum even more unique. The great thing is, forums give you freedom of speech, but not bullshit.

Sometimes new get hurt by some people and they don't even know they were being harsh on us but we feels offended, this is life, but we should know that this is not part of what the forum is made up of, we can only experience this occasionally since we are dealing with people from different backgrounds.


You're right, there's this individual differences we have from each other, you can't expect everyone to be the same as you do.


That's why am honestly annoyed seing that some are taking discussions here too personal to the extent of creating hatred over each other, while life is not that cruel.

this is a public forum that comprises of individual with different background and their mode of response to issues differs.

I some newbies reacting negatively asking that his account be deleted just because he feels some things going on in the forum doesn't go down well with him. Should we now conclude that all newbies are impatience with their growth in the forum just because one of the newbie misbehaved in the forum?

If for any reason you've seen a legendary member of the forum react in an abusive way toward you or any lower ranked member, it's possible that because they've stayed long in the forum, they've seen attitude like that of the newbie constantly repeating itself in the forum and at some point, it will get to them and they might react negatively. I'm not justify their action but I feel it's normal even in the circular world for an elder to correct the younger and in the process of rendering the correction, some elders might resort in the use of force or abusive means to correct the younger person. You are not to be totally angry at them but you're to understand that the Essene of the statement is to correct you and make you a better member of the forum.

I was treated badly by a legendary member only once, but I believe he was having a bad day.

The vast majority of people here welcomed me very well when I started participating, you shouldn't blame the majority of old members for any isolated attitude of one pessoa.

And when it happens, simply ignore it, if along the way you decide to stop to throw a rock at every dog that barks at you, you will never reach your destination.

OP, how will you feel if I say to you that...you are very correct. What you noticed is nothing but the truth, but then you will not get many support because the lower rank members who also are not merit sources will defend the legendary members to gain favour. The legendary members will also defend themselves. But if we are sincere to ourselves, the legendary members are the most abusive users of the forum.

I do not totally blame them, this is because they have been here for so long. They therefore possess the ability to identify or differentiate a genuine newbie from an idiot. They have long ran out of patience and would immediately kick anyone trying to disrupt the ecosystem.

You are wrong here. Newbies are the most emotional. A newbie could commit suicide just because a random user called him a liar.

When issues concern politics, you, OP, cannot stop the feelings of people who do not agree with your opinion. I think it was precisely because of pooya87's opinion that you felt coarseness. But you touched on a very sensitive topic, so be prepared for the fact that not everyone thinks like you.
Forum about Bitcoin.. I am sure that if you do not deviate from the topic of the forum, users with high ranks will be extremely polite and patient with you to explain everything that you do not understand.

Well I can say with all humanity that every individual has their own way of life and for that you can't classify everyone as same because they are higher rank. What you have to understand here is that there are higher learned people and whatever you are doing you should be of a good standard because to meet with the forum level, you don't expect to pour out trash and want people to adhere to it because you want everyone to be the same standard no not possible mate. Whatever you are doing just seat and know that you are in a public place where you need to increase your ways if posting and writing and enable other understand what you are conveying.

What do you expect when almost all the newbies keep repeating questions and issues that have been dealt with and resolved,  creating similar thread to discuss a topic which is already existing in the forum. You may be right about legendary members not being civil in their replies to posts made by newbies, that's their way of whipping you in the ass and telling you "hey! You would have searched for this thread before creating a new one to discuss what we have already explained countless times". Sorry OP, not many here would be willing to follow your pattern,  many will reply to your posts in an offensive tone but hey! Ignore the tone and pick the corrections. You don't have to take people's response here to heart, learn from every reaction you get.

I'm going to be Mr. Contrarian here and partially agree with OP that older members (not necessarily of Legendary rank) tend to be more outspoken, and they probably do use profanity more so than members who haven't been here as long.  Me?  I was an asshole right out of the gate at Newbie rank and have actually mellowed over the years.  But the thing is that the longer a person is here, and the more they actually care about the forum, the more they see how many idiots there are that bring the quality of discussion down to rock-bottom level--and for those of them who are inclined to, they resort to venting their feelings with choice words, condescension, or whatever else.

Most newbies are as meek as a mouse and seem to want to fly so far under the radar whilst participating in a bounty or campaign that they're nearly on the ground.  But I've definitely seen my share of "new" accounts come here just to make a big stink about something.  Eh.

Dear Funke, this is a public forum that accommodates people from different parts of the world; you should not expect everybody's mode of approach to be the same.
Some words you think of as abusive are actually normal words in some parts of the world. That is why people that leave around there will be using it to communicate to the general public; you cannot do anything about it. If you want to learn in this forum, you need to take your attention off anything that will emotionally affect you so as to learn very quickly.

sometimes being frank and not sugarcoating anything is better. it may look or sound harsh to you but in the end, their intention is to teach and guide people who might not know any better.

I'm curious, did you perhaps experience it and that is why you decided to make a thread about it, if so, would you mind sharing an example?

First, I believe that people act the way they do irrespective of rank. Newbies should not feel inferior to other members, some of the high rank accounts were created before the merit system and have not been able to get more than 100 merits since the introduction of the merit system. Rank does not equate knowledge.

I agree with @LTU_btc, one of the reasons older members sometimes lash out at newbies is because of the reoccurring threads that are often created. It’s even more annoying when it’s a simple question that could be answered with a google search.

I’m surprised how people let political debates be their primary focus on a bitcoin forum.

Any user, regardless of rank, can be susceptible to this phenomenon. If you come across posts from a couple of legendary that sound rude, this doesn't mean that all users who reach this rank begin to behave inappropriately.

Well, sometimes I, too, am a little arrogant in my statements, but let me note that this should not be a reason for dissatisfaction and this is not due to my legendary rank, but rather to the nature of my personal character. And may Satoshi help me avoid your righteous anger because of this.

A high rank is not always an indicator of having great knowledge and experience. In reality, rank is just a measure of time spent (activity) and persistence (merit). You are trying to connect 2 things (rude behavior and high rank), but they don't have a direct correlation.

All people, regardless of rank, are like this to one degree or another.

It is possible that this is the case, but the root of the evil is related to the users, and not their rank.

Even if that was true, which it doesn't sound like it is, you might be confusing being "civil" with being a vapid spammer who posts generic garbage with no personal insight, opinion, or anything of value at all. Then if someone posts something like a real person would do, e.g. calling said spammers out for what they are, it "sounds like bullying". I'd say various fake newbies tend to be unreasonably abusive far more often than more senior members.

If you have some disagreements with one or two members who have Legendary rank, I don't see why you should generalize that all Legendary members are the same? Everyone is free to express themselves in this forum in the way they think is appropriate, even if it means using harsher words or even swearing that others may not like.

If someone can't stand someone's posts, there is an "ignore" option that can be of great help.


This is something that makes us human and differentiates us from AI chat bots, and I don't see that you should see anything wrong with that.

Like seriously, do you have to threat a single person way of behavior to be the same as how every legendary members behaved, are you telling us now that when you also becomes a legendary member rank you will do the same, if I were you, all I could do is to site an example and reference it than making a single encounter you might have seen with someone to be the same for everybody.


Between parents and children, who scolds most and why do you think they do so, if you hate being corrected, then you will reason the same way you feels that every higher rank members are taking abuse.

Many newbies experienced such criticism from legendary and hero members in this forum but you need to know that they know more than you in this forum and, they have the right to tackle anything that is not on a straight way in the forum so that other newbies will not be thinking the person is doing the right thing in the forum.

If you received such argument from senior members in the forum trying to quote you wrong or right, you don't need to hate them and, one thing you need to do at the moment is to increase your study and research to prove to them that you know what you are saying by bringing out some backup in form of links that will make them to believe that you know what you are talking about in that particular thread.

The @OP was mad because he don't want to receives criticism from someone who disagree with his opinion, the topic he created is a sensitive case, I'm sure if he post it in X, he will get more criticism.

It mostly related to a fake newbie who claimed if he don't know anything or creating such "high quality" post in order to farm merit. If the newbie is genuinely asking something, people won't bully him even though it was discussed so many times.

If this is what you noticed from some of  the legendary members in the forum,  I will advice you not to take it very personal.  Just concentrate on your target which you want from the forum. Just know that such things happens in life and are very body can't be the same, their are people that are kind and their are people that are harsh too. I will correct you too that it is not every legendary member that are the way you just concluded  about legendary members.

No, this is not true, for the few months I have been in this forum I have come to understand so many things including life in general, no body is bullying or abusing you bro, criticism is what I know you get in this forum if you are talking off point or saying a lie or doing anything the wrong way, it just a shame that you see criticism and correction as bullying because am very sure that nobody  insulted you, though to some people advice and criticism look like insult to them, which is quite normal, but if you really want to learn, you will swallow it and learn from them.

Even though you feel insulted by the comments of one or two legendary guys, that don't make all the legendary member in the forum a bully according to you, so please be guided.

No, I don't really agree with what you're saying. Sure, it's true that some legendary members can be jerks sometimes, but newbies aren't always saints either. I've seen my fair share of newbie trolls joining the forum with the sole intention to stir things up with irrelevant or nonsensical posts. And, regular members can be just as bad, engaging in group attacks on those they disagree with, resorting to name-calling, and all that junk.

Way I see it, every community has its share of troublemakers. Placing the blame solely on one group is neither fair nor accurate. We all gotta do our part to keep things respectful - newcomers and veterans alike.  And I don't think its fair to say that those legendary members act like they're better than everyone else. They got that status by helping out a lot on here.  Maybe you just had a bad experience with one person who happened to have a high post count and legendary rank, but I wouldn't generalize and say they all have a superiority complex though.  That's harsh and probably not true for most of the longtime, dedicated members around here.

Some Legendary accounts are purchased, and i want commend on the merit system.

But, help is on its way.
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That is rather a subjective thing to say about people who have a rank here in the forum and do not share anything beyond that,  in my opinion. I have personally tried not to be offensive and always treat all people here with respect, regardless of their personal ideas and opinions, you are not the exception.
The same way I have seen people with the rank of legendaries, I have also seen newbies being mean and mistreating others for no reason at all.
It is not about having a rank in an internet forum, it is about the person and the personality which controls the account. To me, it is kind of silly to generalize a whole section/population of people of this place just based in rank. Nonetheless, I do not blame anyone who could feel intimidated by the rank of others when comes to participating here and the replies which could come back, when I first started to post here I indeed felt intimidated and made me to think twice before commenting anything at all.

I noticed such things, but I don't think it happens often. And I don't agree that it happens because they have superior knowledge. You know, in general newbies tend to ask same kind of questions. Older members see such questions all their long time here. Some maybe are just pissed off and tired answering same questions. How someone may not know it and why they're not using search when such question was answered so many times. I agree that sometimes people should be less harsh for newbies.
But I suggest you, don't react so sensitive to things what people are saying on internet.

I haven't noticed that from a user yet, but it all depends on how you react or feel about a specific response given to you by the user, regardless of their rank in the forums. It is good to be nice to people when responding to them, but because this is not moderated in the forum, you either learn from it or leave them alone. It could be their way of life, their own way of expressing themselves, or their reactions to a question or discussion. I don't see this as a problem because you agreed to join a public forum and learn here. Accept the correction and learn from the critics.

This is a public forum so you don't expect people to behave the way you want. Members are free to express themselves the way they want and if you are not comfortable with that you can just ignore them. However, I think your observation is untrue because there are legendary members who express themselves meekly and understandably. You might have issues with the response of some legendary members but it will be wrong to generalise your experience. You don't expect members to be clapping for you when you are doing something wrong. You might be criticised and corrected so that you can learn from your mistakes. If you think this set of experienced members is proud, you might not learn from them because you will always feel intimidation or oppressed.

I have keenly noticed that, some members of the forum like the legendary members do not have good choice of words in expressing their thought , outside abusive choices of words or words that sounds like bullying.

The most abusive forum members as I have noticed are the legendary members. I noticed it in their replies to posts or contributions to posts.

Do we agree that it is a feeling of pride that they have superior knowledge on issues than others because of their ranking?

They are most times emotional and personal in their contributions to issues of public concern.

Who else is noticing this attitude as a newbie or member?