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The terrorist issue spells doom for Afghanistan and Economic doom for its neighboring states. The constant deterioration of the economy of Pakistan, as shown in the post OP made painted a big picture of why terrorism is a very serious crime to commit, not only do they jeopardize a singular country but for situations and countries like Afghanistan that is landlocked, the cancer could spread to its neighbors, bringing them down the mire as well.
This isn't happening now, the situation is getting worsen long back itself. Along with this the pandemic made a bigger blow over the entire economic situation. The impact of Taliban will make the economy shrunk. Last year Saudi Arabia government demanded back $3bn loan repayment to be settled within specific time period. There is political play, still this action might've been taken understanding the situation of Pakistan. This way the economy has begun to collapse long back, Taliban's are part of it.
That would make sense. Not to downplay the effects of a terrorist scheme could commit but then again it's still puzzling to think that Taliban alone is enough to bring down the economy of multiple countries. and surprise-surprise, there had been political issues as well that are hidden in plain-sight but is overlooked because Talibans pose a much more serious threat at the moment.
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Oh yeah bro you are right and I also knew cause I am also from that country. And that should not happen. Because this country is in big crisis. And also it's also falling down day by day cause of many flaws. As experts are saying that it's GDP would be less than in whole Aisa. And that's very Tragic. And now Taliban situation added more tense to Pakistan economy.
Well.. if you are indeed from Pakistan, then you will be more aware of the situation. The economy has contracted, at a time when the neighboring nations are witnessing rapid economic growth. The China funded One Belt One Road (OBOR) project hasn't delivered the boost which they were hoping for (which is understandable given the worsening security situation). One big factor was the elevation of Mohammad Bin Salman Al Saud in Saudi Arabia. The economic support Pakistan used to receive from Saudi Arabia trickled down to almost nothing after this.
I am also feeling there are few issues regarding OBOR but most of the peoples not understanding all situation and giving their own comments because we are under some serious propaganda as well from few losers in Afghanistan war.

Right now many countries are under serious troubles and facing issues, but they are fighting and solving same happening here in Pakistan but here we have to people those not know about anything and just saying it's sinking and doing down day by day it's completely wrong because every patient need sometime for recovery, so it's also going in same way just chill and enjoy please never take things so seriously.
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China, Russia, and Pakistan sent their envoys to Kabul, Afghanistan from Tuesday (21/9) to Wednesday (22/9). Yue Xiaoyong was the special envoy for the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Zamir Kabulov was the special envoy for the Russian President for Afghanistan, and Mohammad Sadiq was the special envoy for the Pakistani Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

The three ambassadors met acting Prime Minister of Afghanistan, Hasan Akhund, Minister of Foreign Affairs Amir Khan Muttaqi, acting Minister of Finance Hidayatullah Badri, and a number of other senior Taliban officials.

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said that the arrival of the three envoys was at the invitation of the Taliban. According to Zhao, they held discussions about the development of the situation in Afghanistan.

from what i see, Pakistan has a big enough stake in the victory of the Taliban, you say that the Pakistan economy will be in crisis is very unlikely.  China has a sizeable investment in Pakistan, they (China) will definitely support the Pakistan economy when in difficult times.
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Oh yeah bro you are right and I also knew cause I am also from that country. And that should not happen. Because this country is in big crisis. And also it's also falling down day by day cause of many flaws. As experts are saying that it's GDP would be less than in whole Aisa. And that's very Tragic. And now Taliban situation added more tense to Pakistan economy.

Well.. if you are indeed from Pakistan, then you will be more aware of the situation. The economy has contracted, at a time when the neighboring nations are witnessing rapid economic growth. The China funded One Belt One Road (OBOR) project hasn't delivered the boost which they were hoping for (which is understandable given the worsening security situation). One big factor was the elevation of Mohammad Bin Salman Al Saud in Saudi Arabia. The economic support Pakistan used to receive from Saudi Arabia trickled down to almost nothing after this.
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Amid decreasing Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) floes, Pakistan's economy is expected to shrnik further, flowing Afghanistan's current situation.

According to Dawn (Pakistan's official news pepar), the consistent decline in flows into Pakistan in recent years should worry the country's economic managers.

The net flows fell by just under 39% year-on-year in July in continuation of the trend witnessed last fiscal when,
Long-term, non-debt-creating investments plummeted by 29% to 1.85 billion dollars from the previous year, the Dawn reported.

      Is this right?
Oh yeah bro you are right and I also knew cause I am also from that country. And that should not happen. Because this country is in big crisis. And also it's also falling down day by day cause of many flaws. As experts are saying that it's GDP would be less than in whole Aisa. And that's very Tragic. And now Taliban situation added more tense to Pakistan economy.
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This isn't happening now, the situation is getting worsen long back itself. Along with this the pandemic made a bigger blow over the entire economic situation. The impact of Taliban will make the economy shrunk. Last year Saudi Arabia government demanded back $3bn loan repayment to be settled within specific time period. There is political play, still this action might've been taken understanding the situation of Pakistan. This way the economy has begun to collapse long back, Taliban's are part of it.

Pakistan has recently fallen out with Saudi Arabia and now they are more inclined towards Qatar. With the LNG prices about to reach $1,000 per thousand cubic meters, I guess Qatar has enough funds to keep Pakistan afloat. But the big question is what they want in return. The Pakistan-Turkey-Qatar axis has been making some big moves recently at the global stage. Afghanistan is just another entry in the long list, that also includes Nagorno Karabakh, Syria, Libya and Yemen. This axis is fast emerging as a competitor to the US-Saudi Arabia alliance.
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This isn't happening now, the situation is getting worsen long back itself. Along with this the pandemic made a bigger blow over the entire economic situation. The impact of Taliban will make the economy shrunk. Last year Saudi Arabia government demanded back $3bn loan repayment to be settled within specific time period. There is political play, still this action might've been taken understanding the situation of Pakistan. This way the economy has begun to collapse long back, Taliban's are part of it.
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Due to the COVID-19 pandemic, conflict, and the failures of past governments and their corruption, the humanitarian situation in Afghanistan is dire, with nearly 18 million Afghans in urgent need of humanitarian assistance.

The international community must learn from the past and must remain engaged in Afghanistan because instability or economic collapse will perpetuate the conflict and prolong the suffering of the people in Afghanistan.

Today Afghanistan is at a critical juncture in its history.  The Afghan people can, with the support of the international community, restore peace and revive development prospects.
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I still can't get over how everything with Afghanistan went down.  It's an absolute embarrassment to my country, the United States. All I can't help but think is that something very fishy was/is going on.  You don't just fight a 1 trillion dollar war and then all of a sudden just say "hey, we're out".  I feel horrible for the people in both Afghan and Pakistan, it can't be an easy way of life there no matter what.
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It seems that the economic impact in Pakistan has nothing to do with helping the Taliban, because Pakistan itself is in economic crisis than before, in Afghanistan there are several countries that have helped the Taliban like Turkey, China and even the US, but they are not affected by their economy because they have helped Afghanistan or the Taliban

Pakistan certainly has an impact with Afghanistan after being controlled by the Taliban, they are 2 countries but there are many similarities in the population there, I hope Pakistan can play an active role in helping Afghanistan so that it can create better economic and political conditions than before.
Its true that two countries has many similarities .The main theme is for them is religion but why they become act like as terrorist .I actually never get that two countries has different terrorist group they actually has negativity about their economy .They always fight for the power never for religion .However we have seen that how Taliban has act on the past when they were in power .Once again Afghanistan are in deep trouble with their economy and security .The situation of the border are same as Pakistan .Two countries is actually surviving with their economy and it will never be solved if nothing happen to set the peace here .
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Amid decreasing Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) floes, Pakistan's economy is expected to shrnik further, flowing Afghanistan's current situation.

According to Dawn (Pakistan's official news pepar), the consistent decline in flows into Pakistan in recent years should worry the country's economic managers.

The net flows fell by just under 39% year-on-year in July in continuation of the trend witnessed last fiscal when,
Long-term, non-debt-creating investments plummeted by 29% to 1.85 billion dollars from the previous year, the Dawn reported.

      Is this right?

I am not sure about Pakistan, I think it is certainly going to be impacted, but Afghanistan has certainly thrown away one of the best chances of modernising the country that it ever had. While US did not have any intention of helping, the fact remains that they were sending plenty of aid that has been mostly lost to corruption.

Their economy will now have to do without the huge money pumps from the US. My take is that Pakistan will suffer the side effects as well.
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Pakistan is a country with a depressed economy and extremely troubled society, mainly terrorism as well as crime. I have read a lot about this country and they are one of the most troublesome countries. security is very poor and terrorism occurs continuously in many places.
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It is an uncomfortable situation for the country of Pakistan that with its internal problems they also have to deal with the Taliban as well as the displaced Afghans. I believe that countries that support Afghan refugees will receive international support.

I think it is a good solution to be able to help the poor Afghans who were left with nothing.
In any case, the Taliban are being watched because of the danger that they represent as a violent and rebellious group.

But I also understand that Pakistan's economy will also worsen unless they receive more international support.
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US will have to compete with China as to who should Pakistan be friendlier with. The offer of China to Pakistan and Afghanistan to be part of their silkroad plans will probably be materialized now that there will be an authority (Talibans) there in Afghanistan. China legitimizing Taliban as the authority in Afghanistan will likely be accepted by many as well.

But they have to fight other forces again. Odd as it may seem, Talibans and US army are already joining forces to fight ISIS. Now they only have one enemy. It looks like a scene from a movie right?

China doesn't really care about terrorism or human rights and they can afford to enter into an alliance with the Taliban. And Russia seems to be following the same footsteps. The US government doesn't have this freedom. However, in retaliation the United States can strengthen their relationship with India. But the current Democrat administration is not seen as very friendly towards India (unlike the previous one headed by Trump). But in order to take a stance, the US first of all need to have a president who can make decisions on his own. Biden is simply not fit for the job.
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Pakistan's economy was predicted by the US government and the US poured money into the country for political and military control. Pakistan's economy is empty and has no momentum. The Taliban take over and they will have to reform their ways to get Pakistan's economy going.
The Americans have failed and they will impose sanctions on Pakistan to contain this force, but they have the backing of Russia and some other countries so its economic recovery can be difficult. difficulty.
After each economic stagnation is normal, they need political stability before embarking on economic development.
Don't forget that China has been secretly helping the Taliban and now they have a more intimate relationship with both Pakistan and the Taliban.
because according to some sources China has poured both funds and weapons to the Taliban to support their victory in Afghanistan, and now it is evident that they have asked for the conditions of the Taliban victory now.
It is clear that apart from China, they need economic concessions, they also have a conflict with Uighur Muslims who want independence for the Uyghurs in China. By considering the Taliban as brothers, they hope that the Taliban can suppress Muslims in the Uighurs at least they (Taliban) are not in alliance with fellow Muslims who are in the Uighurs.
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Right now the current scenario is very difficult, because obviously nobody wants to invest there, because they fear that they may have the greatest of all possible losses, however this represents opportunities for countries like China and Russia that have stated that they are comfortable with what they are. have done in Afghanistan, it is necessary to make known the different given scenarios, but even if they find help from countries like Russia or China, they can get loans but with high interest rates, obviously these nearby countries tend to enter into a certain devaluation, because what gives them the most to people is fear.

And fear is one of the determining emotions in the economy, in financial markets it tends to generate mistrust, I would say that it is very difficult to determine what will happen, the USA can unleash an imminent war, the situation is delicate.
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That could be Afghanistan you are talking about. I mean yeah sure Pakistan has a lot of shit going on in the nation and they are tied with USA as well that is all very true, but Taliban will not take over Pakistan or at least did not do so right now, they did it to Afghanistan instead. Pakistan is not doing well because their economy is in a stagnant stage and that is the main problem they are having right now, the moment they end up fixing it, they will get back on track or just like many other nations right now they will bankrupt and be a financially bad nation.

I am sorry but the whole world is in financial trouble right now, doesn't matter which nation you are, it is worse than 10 years ago and 10 years ago was the famous 2008 and aftermath, so that being even worse right now is a horrible situation, it is surreal that we manage to cripple the economy of the whole world this easily.

Pakistan also used to receive a lot of foreign aid from the United States and the United Kingdom until very recently. And in case of UK, Pkaistan still remains as the top recipient of foreign aid. And it is no secret that a large part of the $1-2 trillion USD invested by the US in Afghanistan was spent in Pakistan. It was Pakistan which provided logistical support and army bases to the NATO forces. Pakistani economy has been stagnant for well over a decade now. Foreign investment has dried out due to terrorist attacks and the high population growth puts a strain on resources that are already scarce.

US will have to compete with China as to who should Pakistan be friendlier with. The offer of China to Pakistan and Afghanistan to be part of their silkroad plans will probably be materialized now that there will be an authority (Talibans) there in Afghanistan. China legitimizing Taliban as the authority in Afghanistan will likely be accepted by many as well.

But they have to fight other forces again. Odd as it may seem, Talibans and US army are already joining forces to fight ISIS. Now they only have one enemy. It looks like a scene from a movie right?
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That could be Afghanistan you are talking about. I mean yeah sure Pakistan has a lot of shit going on in the nation and they are tied with USA as well that is all very true, but Taliban will not take over Pakistan or at least did not do so right now, they did it to Afghanistan instead. Pakistan is not doing well because their economy is in a stagnant stage and that is the main problem they are having right now, the moment they end up fixing it, they will get back on track or just like many other nations right now they will bankrupt and be a financially bad nation.

I am sorry but the whole world is in financial trouble right now, doesn't matter which nation you are, it is worse than 10 years ago and 10 years ago was the famous 2008 and aftermath, so that being even worse right now is a horrible situation, it is surreal that we manage to cripple the economy of the whole world this easily.

Pakistan also used to receive a lot of foreign aid from the United States and the United Kingdom until very recently. And in case of UK, Pkaistan still remains as the top recipient of foreign aid. And it is no secret that a large part of the $1-2 trillion USD invested by the US in Afghanistan was spent in Pakistan. It was Pakistan which provided logistical support and army bases to the NATO forces. Pakistani economy has been stagnant for well over a decade now. Foreign investment has dried out due to terrorist attacks and the high population growth puts a strain on resources that are already scarce.
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Pakistan's economy was predicted by the US government and the US poured money into the country for political and military control. Pakistan's economy is empty and has no momentum. The Taliban take over and they will have to reform their ways to get Pakistan's economy going.
The Americans have failed and they will impose sanctions on Pakistan to contain this force, but they have the backing of Russia and some other countries so its economic recovery can be difficult. difficulty.
After each economic stagnation is normal, they need political stability before embarking on economic development.
That could be Afghanistan you are talking about. I mean yeah sure Pakistan has a lot of shit going on in the nation and they are tied with USA as well that is all very true, but Taliban will not take over Pakistan or at least did not do so right now, they did it to Afghanistan instead. Pakistan is not doing well because their economy is in a stagnant stage and that is the main problem they are having right now, the moment they end up fixing it, they will get back on track or just like many other nations right now they will bankrupt and be a financially bad nation.

I am sorry but the whole world is in financial trouble right now, doesn't matter which nation you are, it is worse than 10 years ago and 10 years ago was the famous 2008 and aftermath, so that being even worse right now is a horrible situation, it is surreal that we manage to cripple the economy of the whole world this easily.

I was confused between Pakistan and Afghanistan. I agree with your point of view. The world economy is facing many uncertainties. The pandemic is still going on, economic activity is struggling. This row has dozens of businesses closed because of losses.
There's nothing else we can do about fighting the epidemic and trying to keep the economy under control.
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Pakistan's economy was predicted by the US government and the US poured money into the country for political and military control. Pakistan's economy is empty and has no momentum. The Taliban take over and they will have to reform their ways to get Pakistan's economy going.
The Americans have failed and they will impose sanctions on Pakistan to contain this force, but they have the backing of Russia and some other countries so its economic recovery can be difficult. difficulty.
After each economic stagnation is normal, they need political stability before embarking on economic development.
That could be Afghanistan you are talking about. I mean yeah sure Pakistan has a lot of shit going on in the nation and they are tied with USA as well that is all very true, but Taliban will not take over Pakistan or at least did not do so right now, they did it to Afghanistan instead. Pakistan is not doing well because their economy is in a stagnant stage and that is the main problem they are having right now, the moment they end up fixing it, they will get back on track or just like many other nations right now they will bankrupt and be a financially bad nation.

I am sorry but the whole world is in financial trouble right now, doesn't matter which nation you are, it is worse than 10 years ago and 10 years ago was the famous 2008 and aftermath, so that being even worse right now is a horrible situation, it is surreal that we manage to cripple the economy of the whole world this easily.
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Pakistan's economy was predicted by the US government and the US poured money into the country for political and military control. Pakistan's economy is empty and has no momentum. The Taliban take over and they will have to reform their ways to get Pakistan's economy going.
The Americans have failed and they will impose sanctions on Pakistan to contain this force, but they have the backing of Russia and some other countries so its economic recovery can be difficult. difficulty.
After each economic stagnation is normal, they need political stability before embarking on economic development.
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It seems that because of the Taliban, all the neighboring countries of Afghanistan will be in a fever due to the possibility of military and terrorist actions in this region. After the Taliban seized power in Afghanistan, the activities of various radical Islamist groups will intensify and the hotbed of tension in this region will inevitably grow. In response, the United States and other states will also take appropriate military measures and it is difficult to even imagine what this might lead to. A significant part of the active members of the Taliban consists of Uzbeks and other nationalities of Central Asia, and this military center can be transferred there as well. If this happens, then Russia will also be involved.
Therefore, difficulties will soon arise not only for Pakistan.

Uzbeks comprise around 8%-10% of the population of Afghanistan, and therefore you can naturally expect a few of them in the Taliban rank and file. But Taliban is dominated by various Pashtun tribes, with a large portion coming from the Kochi nomads. Dari (Afghan Persian) speaking groups are rare in Taliban, so are the ethnic minorities such as Uzbeks, Hazaras, Pashayis, Nuristanis and Pamiris. And countries such as Tajikistan and Uzbekistan are already concerned about the warfare spilling over to their territory. Tajikistan has already started providing arms and ammunition to the Northern Alliance (which is mostly comprised of Dari speaking Tajiks).
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Amid decreasing Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) floes, Pakistan's economy is expected to shrnik further, flowing Afghanistan's current situation.

According to Dawn (Pakistan's official news pepar), the consistent decline in flows into Pakistan in recent years should worry the country's economic managers.
From what i understand Pakistan was instrumental in creating these forces and now they are biting them back  Cheesy. I am not aware of the entire history but i have seen debates when Afghanistan was occupied by Taliban and it was a hot topic globally and that is where i know about the history of Pakistan and the Taliban and now these forces enforces terror in neighboring country how can they expect FDI. You need stability for money to flow and as long as there is no stability investors will not risk their money.
It seems that because of the Taliban, all the neighboring countries of Afghanistan will be in a fever due to the possibility of military and terrorist actions in this region. After the Taliban seized power in Afghanistan, the activities of various radical Islamist groups will intensify and the hotbed of tension in this region will inevitably grow. In response, the United States and other states will also take appropriate military measures and it is difficult to even imagine what this might lead to. A significant part of the active members of the Taliban consists of Uzbeks and other nationalities of Central Asia, and this military center can be transferred there as well. If this happens, then Russia will also be involved.
Therefore, difficulties will soon arise not only for Pakistan.
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From what i understand Pakistan was instrumental in creating these forces and now they are biting them back  Cheesy. I am not aware of the entire history but i have seen debates when Afghanistan was occupied by Taliban and it was a hot topic globally and that is where i know about the history of Pakistan and the Taliban and now these forces enforces terror in neighboring country how can they expect FDI. You need stability for money to flow and as long as there is no stability investors will not risk their money.

Pakistan is currently under the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) blacklist and that is the reason why they can't attract much FDI.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/pakistan-risks-fatf-blacklisting-as-it-continues-to-abate-terrorism-report/articleshow/80398569.cms?from=mdr

Despite several warnings, Pakistan has allowed organizations such as Jamaar-ud-Dawa and Jaish-e-Muhammed to operate in it's territory. And these organizations are suspected to have committed terrorist activity in the neighboring countries. Now who will risk investing in a country that is under active surveillance by the FATF?
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Amid decreasing Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) floes, Pakistan's economy is expected to shrnik further, flowing Afghanistan's current situation.

According to Dawn (Pakistan's official news pepar), the consistent decline in flows into Pakistan in recent years should worry the country's economic managers.
From what i understand Pakistan was instrumental in creating these forces and now they are biting them back  Cheesy. I am not aware of the entire history but i have seen debates when Afghanistan was occupied by Taliban and it was a hot topic globally and that is where i know about the history of Pakistan and the Taliban and now these forces enforces terror in neighboring country how can they expect FDI. You need stability for money to flow and as long as there is no stability investors will not risk their money.
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I don’t understand what point of view you want to explain. Pakistan’s economy has always been on the verge of collapse. Afghanistan’s current economic situation is also extremely bad, with little impact on Pakistan. The country with the largest real investment in Pakistan is China. The impact of China's national investment policy on Pakistan will be obvious.

I think the real concern should be the whole countries security. Taliban is in power so extremist activity could be at its peak now in Pakistan. Because in Pakistan there is another group of Taliban that shares the same ideology and even they both have the same ethnicity. I think the Pakistani govt should be on high alert now because Afghanistan could be a safe haven for other extremist groups which could be very dangerous for its neighboring countries pakistan.


Based on the Afghan economy under the control of the Taliban, which is currently not fully improving because they are in the early stages of future economic development. So it is natural to organize the land structure of the country with a new policy system, as was the case with other countries after the second world war at that time.

Restoring the economy is not as easy as turning the palm of the hand. We are talking about the economic growth of a country full of various ethnicities. What if in the end Afghanistan became a country with the nickname of a superpower. As once discussed by a member of the US Congress (Jim Banks) who said that after the withdrawal of US troops there are still many American war goods left in the form of military assets of $85 million which are detailed in super complete combat equipment: 200 planes and helicopters including the proud US Black hawk. , 600,000 heavy and light weapons, medical equipment, bulletproof armor, and many more such as retinal scanner biometric equipment in the form of glasses.

Plus the Chinese delegation has agreed to become the country that acquires the formation of a new Afghanistan under the Taliban.
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A country that is in conflict, of course, will experience a significant economic decline and that is the consequence
diplomatic relations between countries and investors play an important role in the economy of a country and when conflicts arise then fear will arise, so it is not surprising that many investors withdraw/sell their investments

Before the political conditions in Afghanistan improve (until it is clear which group controls the country) then Afghanistan's economic condition will continue to deteriorate
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Pakistan certainly has an impact with Afghanistan after being controlled by the Taliban, they are 2 countries but there are many similarities in the population there, I hope Pakistan can play an active role in helping Afghanistan so that it can create better economic and political conditions than before.

One of the provinces of Pakistan (Khyber Pakhtunkhwa) is mostly populated by the Pashto speaking people. Back in 1947-48, there was a movement to merge the province with Afghanistan (previously the entire area was part of the Afghan Durrani Empire). And some of the Pakistani officials still believe that Afghanistan is interested in merging the province to their territory. This is also one of the reasons why Pakistan has aided the Taliban, so that they could weaken the Afghan government.
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It seems that the economic impact in Pakistan has nothing to do with helping the Taliban, because Pakistan itself is in economic crisis than before, in Afghanistan there are several countries that have helped the Taliban like Turkey, China and even the US, but they are not affected by their economy because they have helped Afghanistan or the Taliban

Pakistan certainly has an impact with Afghanistan after being controlled by the Taliban, they are 2 countries but there are many similarities in the population there, I hope Pakistan can play an active role in helping Afghanistan so that it can create better economic and political conditions than before.
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It seems that the economic impact in Pakistan has nothing to do with helping the Taliban, because Pakistan itself is in economic crisis than before, in Afghanistan there are several countries that have helped the Taliban like Turkey, China and even the US, but they are not affected by their economy because they have helped Afghanistan or the Taliban

Other countries such as Turkey and Qatar have also helped the Taliban (although in an indirect manner). But these countries are safe from any sanctions or embargoes, because they are economic powerhouses. Both the US and Russia need Turkey on their side, to maintain the monopoly on natural gas supplies to the European Union. And Qatar is the largest supplier of LNG right now. Pakistan doesn't have any such economic leverage. They are mostly dependent on remittance payments from the middle-east and that's why they could be in a greater danger.
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It seems that the economic impact in Pakistan has nothing to do with helping the Taliban, because Pakistan itself is in economic crisis than before, in Afghanistan there are several countries that have helped the Taliban like Turkey, China and even the US, but they are not affected by their economy because they have helped Afghanistan or the Taliban
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Pakistan's economy is now fragile unable to do much for others in this situation the Taliban authorities may try to appear in a good human form for the time being and may want to include other groups in the government but even that attempt is unlikely to succeed. There are also vast differences in the language culture and practices of many ethnic groups in afghanistan in a society of such a mixed population, the philosophy of pluralism is the key to uniting all religions castes tribes ethnicities and tribes, which is totally unacceptable to the taliban.
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Pakistan really needs the aid of other countries for it to survive again if that could ever be possible. Corruption and other illegal activities had been the backbone of the country which the US and other European countries had tried their best to clear the waves but still yet nothing happened.  The Taliban had a deceitful objective to eradicate people who are or can be an antagonist to them by claiming  lives unnecessarily.

In order to improve their economy, Pakistan needs to come out of the FATF blacklist. And that is not going to happen unless they stop supporting these radical outfits such as Taliban. The COVID 19 pandemic has made the situation worse everywhere. And for Pakistanis, this had a greater impact because many of them are working in the GCC nations to earn a livelihood. Despite the vaccination coverage, the GCC nations are also witnessing a steep increase in the number of new COVID cases.
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I don’t understand what point of view you want to explain. Pakistan’s economy has always been on the verge of collapse. Afghanistan’s current economic situation is also extremely bad, with little impact on Pakistan. The country with the largest real investment in Pakistan is China. The impact of China's national investment policy on Pakistan will be obvious.
Really, is it always been that way? Then how come they're still doing just fine and they even have this seeding projects that aims to grow a lot of trees, pretty sure that it's an expensive project plus don't they have a nuclear arsenal?
Pakistan really needs the aid of other countries for it to survive again if that could ever be possible. Corruption and other illegal activities had been the backbone of the country which the US and other European countries had tried their best to clear the waves but still yet nothing happened.  The Taliban had a deceitful objective to eradicate people who are or can be an antagonist to them by claiming  lives unnecessarily.
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USA leaving Afghanistan created a whole lot of gap there, it is creating a big problem, right now they are literally ruled by a terrorist organization, don't get it confused, Taliban IS a terrorist organization because they create terror, if you are afraid of them, if you fear them, if millions upon millions of people running away from the nation because of them, it means they are cause of terror for so many people, what do you call a group that causes terror? A terrorist organization.

This is why it is only understandable that they may cause some harm all around, it could be for Pakistan, it could be for Iran, it could be for Turkey where many Afghans are running to, it could be anywhere, it is a terrorist organization ruling over a huge nation, of course it is going to cause a lot of economical problems and even other problems to nations around them.
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Basically, from the beginning, even before the Taliban took control, I've read that the economy there is already chaotic on the verge of collapse, and now coupled with the Taliban conflict, it will definitely be more chaotic and difficult to control. The economy has become increasingly chaotic, the Afghan currency has fallen dramatically and not only that, the price of basic necessities is now reported to have increased by about 20% after the Taliban took control of Afghanistan.
and now banks in Afghanistan are restricted in search of some even closed plus the World Central Bank has now stopped disbursing funds for its projects in Afghanistan, citing concerns about the impact of the Taliban government on development prospects, especially for women. this will become increasingly chaotic and uncontrollable if allowed to drag on for a long time, it could be that Afghanistan is now just a matter of time to be destroyed if this is not stopped immediately.
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Pakistan is a country with a depressed economy and extremely troubled society, mainly terrorism as well as crime. I have read a lot about this country and they are one of the most troublesome countries. security is very poor and terrorism occurs continuously in many places.
Don't forget the religion extremism in there which is the worst thing because their faith caused millions if not billions of deaths in the name of someone that there's no guarantee that we will ever see. I think this mixture of things that Pakistan do is what's causing their current problem in terms of economy.
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Investors are most likely to invest in countries where they are safe. Pakistan in the other hand is a neighbor country of Afghanistan which is really prone to attacks by these terror groups. This makes investors staying out of that place and that makes their economy shrink added by this pandemic it is really expected to lower down their GDP. Unless, they fight this terror group, they can't have foreign investor coming there.
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For now it is not only Pakistan whose economy is declining but many other countries are also experiencing the same thing during the current pandemic, if indeed the cause of Pakistan's economic decline is because of helping the Taliban, can you include the source so we can review further about the truth of this news
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At first the Afghans blamed Pakistan for the situation they were in.  Islamabad is accused of providing shelter to the Taliban. Several years ago former Pakistani president General Pervez Musharraf acknowledged the ISI was responsible for the birth of the Taliban.  Because the government and most of the population of Afghanistan are more supportive of India.  it all depends on how Pakistan explains this phenomenon to the public, so that investors don't leave Pakistan

Pakistan has supported various militant groups, to pursue their interests in Kashmir and Afghanistan. And regarding Taliban, I would agree. The Taliban was an unsophisticated and unorganized outfit and it was the CIA which transformed it in to a deadly conventional terror organization by supplying it with modern weaponry and training. They wanted to kick out the USSR from Afghanistan, and hoped that the Taliban would do the job for them. The ISI mostly played a supporting role. And once the Soviets puled out of Afghanistan, the Taliban turned their weapons against those who supplied them in the first place. 
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At first the Afghans blamed Pakistan for the situation they were in.  Islamabad is accused of providing shelter to the Taliban. Several years ago former Pakistani president General Pervez Musharraf acknowledged the ISI was responsible for the birth of the Taliban.  Because the government and most of the population of Afghanistan are more supportive of India.  it all depends on how Pakistan explains this phenomenon to the public, so that investors don't leave Pakistan
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Politics and religion are things I don't talk much on because of individual differences and when I look beyond what we are fighting for, they alway don't worth it that's why I always ignore.
Religion and politics doesn't worth it and dieing for anyone is just foolishness be it politics or religion. We always forget the humanity outweigh those things but because of selfish interests and corruption, we always turned a blind eye.  Cry Cry
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Why would Pakistan’s economy suffer? You’re talking as if Afghanistan and the Taliban are interdependent. But the fact is, it’s the Taliban that is dependent on Pakistan's support, not vice versa.

The only reason why Pakistan’s economy could suffer problems is if because of providing support for the Taliban other countries might impose sanctions.

There are rumors about that but I don't think that pakistan will confirm about their support to terrorist organization groups since as you said they will paid what they do for supporting those enemy of the state if they are confirmed doing that.

Didn't know that the connection between these two countries are much more deeper than I initially know, I mean I know that Pakistan supports the Taliban but I didn't it's this deep, I thought it's just like giving them weapons or something like that.

Here is the article of denial of Pakistan about helping the taliban https://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/afghan2/Afghan0701-02.htm but maybe the rumors is true since they will not be pointed out if they didn't towards this relation to the terrorist group.
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Wow, this is actually a really good reason as to why Pakistan's economy is going to tank with the occupation of the Taliban in Afghanistan. Aren't they a nuclear power too? Meaning that they still have a last resort that they can use to their advantage or even probably leverage it to use against neighboring countries to gain some favors in terms of resources.

Even countries such as Israel, India and North Korea have nuclear weapons. And it is suspected that Iran may be also having them. But having nuclear weapons is one thing, and having the technology to launch attacks is another. What will be the use with nukes, if they don't have ballistic missiles which can carry these warheads? China is rumored to have transferred missile technology to Pakistan, but in terms of defense technology Pakistan is ages behind the superpowers. If they decide to blackmail the world with nukes, then the consequences won't be too sweet for them.
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Pakistan harbored some terrorists (ehem) in the past, and with this link that they had with terrorist groups, a lot of huge names in the world economy are wary of placing some investments on the country. Add to that the lack of raw materials, manpower, and other resources on the country which further rubs salt to Pakistan’s economic wounds. The Taliban’s rise to power is perhaps one of those things that sealed Pakistan’s economic fate. We would see a continuous decline from here, and it will not be a pretty sight that’s for sure.
Wow, this is actually a really good reason as to why Pakistan's economy is going to tank with the occupation of the Taliban in Afghanistan. Aren't they a nuclear power too? Meaning that they still have a last resort that they can use to their advantage or even probably leverage it to use against neighboring countries to gain some favors in terms of resources.
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Every single nation on earth that do not have a big company (and preferably few more) that sells billions of dollars worth of product to other nations will be facing this crisis. It could be today, it could be next year, it could be in a decade but it will happen.

All those USA, UK, Germany and alike nations that have companies that sells to the whole world does create a gap between those nations and nations like Pakistan. If someone from Pakistan came up with Apple (which wouldn't be big I assume like it is now) then Pakistan would be saved, just from that one company.

So, every nation needs to make sure to promote their big companies and help them grow even bigger when it comes down to going overseas, I would literally prefer if governments paid from tax payers money to these nations to open up shops all around the world so that they would bring in more money back to the nation. If you expect foreigners to come in and give you money then you will bankrupt, you need to go earn that money.
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I don’t understand what point of view you want to explain. Pakistan’s economy has always been on the verge of collapse. Afghanistan’s current economic situation is also extremely bad, with little impact on Pakistan. The country with the largest real investment in Pakistan is China. The impact of China's national investment policy on Pakistan will be obvious.
I am also not clear this point Pakistan is won well free freedom country. Afghanistan lots of people get freedom from America I don't agree Taliban can impact Pakistan economy. Pakistan is dependent on china so china will help to recover their all problems.
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Why would Pakistan’s economy suffer? You’re talking as if Afghanistan and the Taliban are interdependent. But the fact is, it’s the Taliban that is dependent on Pakistan's support, not vice versa.

The only reason why Pakistan’s economy could suffer problems is if because of providing support for the Taliban other countries might impose sanctions.

That will never happen. Pakistan has always supported the Taliban (even when the NATO forces were fighting them in Afghanistan), and they never faced any sanctions for that. However this was one of the reasons why the FATF (Financial Action Task Force) included them in the "grey list". In it's statement FATF claimed that Pakistan continues to support terror organizations such as Taliban, Al Qaeda, Jaish-e Mohammad and Lashkar-e Toiba. Pakistan responded by claiming that the FATF imposed sanctions as a result of pressure tactics from India.
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Amid decreasing Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) floes, Pakistan's economy is expected to shrnik further, flowing Afghanistan's current situation.

According to Dawn (Pakistan's official news pepar), the consistent decline in flows into Pakistan in recent years should worry the country's economic managers.

The net flows fell by just under 39% year-on-year in July in continuation of the trend witnessed last fiscal when,
Long-term, non-debt-creating investments plummeted by 29% to 1.85 billion dollars from the previous year, the Dawn reported.

      Is this right?
Well obviously the situation is that bad, for years now the constant struggle to combat Taliban by the old government has exhausted all their resources even though with the support of the US, and with everything collapsing and the non existence of a government and Taliban taking over which is a terrorist group and no country will accept them as representation of the Afghanis , the economy is the least of their problems and it would likely keep going down hill.
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Why would Pakistan’s economy suffer? You’re talking as if Afghanistan and the Taliban are interdependent. But the fact is, it’s the Taliban that is dependent on Pakistan's support, not vice versa.

The only reason why Pakistan’s economy could suffer problems is if because of providing support for the Taliban other countries might impose sanctions.
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Pakistan harbored some terrorists (ehem) in the past, and with this link that they had with terrorist groups, a lot of huge names in the world economy are wary of placing some investments on the country. Add to that the lack of raw materials, manpower, and other resources on the country which further rubs salt to Pakistan’s economic wounds. The Taliban’s rise to power is perhaps one of those things that sealed Pakistan’s economic fate. We would see a continuous decline from here, and it will not be a pretty sight that’s for sure.
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I don’t understand what point of view you want to explain. Pakistan’s economy has always been on the verge of collapse. Afghanistan’s current economic situation is also extremely bad, with little impact on Pakistan. The country with the largest real investment in Pakistan is China. The impact of China's national investment policy on Pakistan will be obvious.

China also will capitalize on Afghanistan, so will Russia. They're already cutting deals with the Taliban and so whatever investment opportunities Afghanistan might provide, China will be sure to set up shop. Also makes you think if Afghanistan and other middle eastern countries will begin to have a dependency on China if any sort of relationship is established. Having terrorist groups concede to the Chinese is the most predictable outcome, but anything's possible I guess.
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Amid decreasing Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) floes, Pakistan's economy is expected to shrnik further, flowing Afghanistan's current situation.

According to Dawn (Pakistan's official news pepar), the consistent decline in flows into Pakistan in recent years should worry the country's economic managers.

The net flows fell by just under 39% year-on-year in July in continuation of the trend witnessed last fiscal when,
Long-term, non-debt-creating investments plummeted by 29% to 1.85 billion dollars from the previous year, the Dawn reported.

      Is this right?

There's such much irony in how Pakistan is governed, they spent so much to support the Taliban insurgency because they hate the thought of American "infidels" controlling a neighbor next to them. However the Americans being there was giving them some strategic support, not to mention all the economic benefits that added up over time (a bribe here, aid packages or a over land logistic shipments). Now that the Agfhan taliban do not have foreigners to go after so easily, they will slowly become more extreme and start to target countries around them that do not live up to a perverse version of ideology. Pakistan will eventually reap what it sowed and falling foreign capital inflows will be the start of it.. They'll probably go begging to China at some point.
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Without reading too much, you could already guess where the economy is heading, definitely almost all foreign investment and aid will pull out of such an unstable country ruled by Talibans, who would want to do business in such a hostile environment, I don't expect anything less, economic flourish more in a conducive and enabling environment and not in such places, it is a difficult journey for the people over there.
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Unless there is a political pause in Afghanistan, I expect that sanctions will be imposed on the economic and political entities in the Taliban government, and all aid funds will be frozen, thus stifling the Afghan economy.
Unfortunately, the Afghan economy is highly dependent on aid, and with any sanctions imposed, it will be impossible for the economy to grow in a healthy manner, if we ignore the country's slide into the axis of civil wars.
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And that possible conflict may threaten those investors to invest in Pakistan. But if Taliban will respect their promise about peaceful government and follow according to sharia law, then, conflict may not arise. But I am guessing some investors will be too cautious as they don't know the future yet in this region. We will see that in the coming months the impact of this Taliban rule. Right now, it is quite early to deduce things.

There can be no peace as long as Taliban is in power. Already they have summarily executed hundreds (if not thousands) of former government employees and anyone who they suspect is not following the strict dress code. They have fired live bullets on ordinary civilians who were waving Afghan national flag. And here you are claiming that they have promised "peaceful government". I know that there are a lot of people around the world who support the Taliban, either in the open, or in secret. I have only sympathy for such people.
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I don’t understand what point of view you want to explain. Pakistan’s economy has always been on the verge of collapse. Afghanistan’s current economic situation is also extremely bad, with little impact on Pakistan. The country with the largest real investment in Pakistan is China. The impact of China's national investment policy on Pakistan will be obvious.
Really, is it always been that way? Then how come they're still doing just fine and they even have this seeding projects that aims to grow a lot of trees, pretty sure that it's an expensive project plus don't they have a nuclear arsenal?
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Amid decreasing Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) floes, Pakistan's economy is expected to shrnik further, flowing Afghanistan's current situation.

According to Dawn (Pakistan's official news pepar), the consistent decline in flows into Pakistan in recent years should worry the country's economic managers.

The net flows fell by just under 39% year-on-year in July in continuation of the trend witnessed last fiscal when,
Long-term, non-debt-creating investments plummeted by 29% to 1.85 billion dollars from the previous year, the Dawn reported.

      Is this right?

Yes most provably that will happen to them since imagine how their economy will run if many people are in fear that they will be disturbed or killed by taliban so for this chaos for sure there economy is at risk. We don't know how long this crisis will ends since this war is I think will never end as long as both parties will not have a mutual agreement on how they run their country progressively.
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Also their bonds values are decreasing in the EU and even they don't accept their bonds for trade which caused the value dropped by 5% until now and its expected to rise depends on how they are going to deal with Afghan Taliban.
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Under the taliban, we could see afghanistan abolish democracy and free market capitalism.

Replacing them with a totalitarian dictatorship that technically owns and controls everything.

It could cause an economic contraction, which could pull pakistan's economy down with it. Depending on how close of trading partners they are.

America's withdrawal wiping out last vestiges of democracy in afghanistan is one of many unreported angles that could use more attention.
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The risk for Pakistan is that the conflict in Afghanistan can spill across the border. The main support base for the Taliban comes from the Pashtun ethnic group. Although this ethnic group comprises of around 40% of the population in Afghanistan, in absolute numbers, they are more numerous in Pakistan. For many decades, the Pashtun majority province of Khyber witnessed a bloody civil war, which was contained only a few years ago. Now there is a good chance that conflict will break out once again in this region.

And that possible conflict may threaten those investors to invest in Pakistan. But if Taliban will respect their promise about peaceful government and follow according to sharia law, then, conflict may not arise. But I am guessing some investors will be too cautious as they don't know the future yet in this region. We will see that in the coming months the impact of this Taliban rule. Right now, it is quite early to deduce things.
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The risk for Pakistan is that the conflict in Afghanistan can spill across the border. The main support base for the Taliban comes from the Pashtun ethnic group. Although this ethnic group comprises of around 40% of the population in Afghanistan, in absolute numbers, they are more numerous in Pakistan. For many decades, the Pashtun majority province of Khyber witnessed a bloody civil war, which was contained only a few years ago. Now there is a good chance that conflict will break out once again in this region.
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but Pakistan has nothing to do with it.

My view on the Op comment is also that it is matter not concerning only Pakistan if you looking at countries that may be affected economically on the trouble in Afghanistan and Taliban. China is there, likewise US that are evaquating there citizens and do we also say that US economy will suffer or go into crises because of the trouble in Afghanistan? Not really. Except it goes out of proportion and goes into full war, then aligns can come in and we can start analysing base on that. For now is just interesiI see.
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Oh, can you provide the sources that claim that the Pakistan's economy will suffer because of the Taliban's takeover of Afghanistan? I just don't see why that would happen, to be honest. I've seen that the economy is expected to grow by 4% in 2022, but the forecast was made prior to the Taliban's takeover. And then there's the fact that Pakistan is supportive of the Taliban, and no wonder that's the case because Pakistan basically created it.
Taking this into account, I don't see why their economy would decline. Afghanistan's economy is about to collapse because it was heavily dependent (up to 80%) on foreign investments that aren't going to continue (unless the Taliban really shows significant improvements of their policies), but Pakistan has nothing to do with it.
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I don’t understand what point of view you want to explain. Pakistan’s economy has always been on the verge of collapse. Afghanistan’s current economic situation is also extremely bad, with little impact on Pakistan. The country with the largest real investment in Pakistan is China. The impact of China's national investment policy on Pakistan will be obvious.
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Yes, the situation in Afghanistan is likely to continue to deteriorate and this will have a negative impact on the economies of neighboring states and, above all, Pakistan. The Taliban who came to power proclaimed the creation of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan in the country and in practice this would mean a tough totalitarian regime under the guise of Sharia law. Already in the first days, the violation of human rights there reached such a scale that the entire civilized world realized that this must be urgently countered. Afghanistan is a very poor country that relied on economic aid from developed countries. The central bank of this country now has about $ 9.4 billion, which are mainly located in the banks of the United States and other countries, and these funds have already been frozen in foreign banks. I think there will be military intervention soon. First of all, we are talking about possible attempts by the United States to bomb its own military equipment, which they transferred to the former government forces of Afghanistan, so that it would not go to the Taliban or be transferred to Russia or China. In all likelihood, in the future we will see the complete economic isolation of the Taliban, and therefore of Afghanistan, which will also have a negative impact on neighboring states and especially Pakistan, which has always provided assistance to the Taliban.
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Amid decreasing Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) floes, Pakistan's economy is expected to shrnik further, flowing Afghanistan's current situation.

According to Dawn (Pakistan's official news pepar), the consistent decline in flows into Pakistan in recent years should worry the country's economic managers.

The net flows fell by just under 39% year-on-year in July in continuation of the trend witnessed last fiscal when,
Long-term, non-debt-creating investments plummeted by 29% to 1.85 billion dollars from the previous year, the Dawn reported.

      Is this right?
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