Topic: Pandemic was just a start of chaos, wars, or becoming zombies! (Read 371 times)

I believe that your speculations have nothing to do with the reality.
Perhaps, you watch too many movies abour financial crisis and human catastrophies. I didn't really understand the first statement about poor countries which need to catch up with developed countries, otherwise they will have civil wars. Why? What are the reasons for civil wars?
Second point also doesn't make sense, from my perspective. I doubt that any strong country will resort to starting a direct war against any poor country. That is next to impossible is modern world. More than that, nowadays many African countries are in deep debts before China, and China doesn't invade troops to their territories.
Third argument also touches upon the current situation about equality in poor countries. There is no equality in developing countries: corruption and bribery is everywhere in those countries. So, such events are already taking place but noone notices that.
So, I doubt that something really dramatic will follow pandemics.

this kind of thing like FUD news can cause panic, so many investors act without logic, just fear the wrong thing to do. and of course there are some people who enjoy it from the behavior of these crazy people. therefore we must think in a healthy manner about all the existing inputs, so that with a healthy mind we can think clearly and not do stupid actions

I disagree with this one because I believe that OP is right about overreacting on things but his/her focus is in the wrong direction, if you read the international news and the current state of geopolitics in the world, you would be scared and overreacting too because a lot of the articles are negative and something negative is pretty alarming.

I think that the moment that smartphones become affordable and social media has been a thing, in a way a lot of us are already a zombie, we are numb and we just stare at our phones for the whole day doing nothing with our like, so like a zombie I guess. A lot of people are saying that the pandemic is making it worse, I don't necessarily agree with that because things were already worse back then, the pandemic just magnified and put all the worst and foul on the stage for everyone to see.

I think you are overestimating the impact the pandemic has on the economy and political relationships between the countries.

Yes, the poor will become poorer, but rich countries have suffered as well, only their economy is more stable, so they won't be so damaged.

But this is too much.

For decades rich countries have provided help to the poorer ones and they're already in huge debts because of wars, trading issues, corruption schemes running, etc. This help, however, is dictated by law and certain existing agreements between countries that are in certain unions and memberships. This does not mean that poor countries will have to subordinate themselves to the rich.

@op I think you watch too many modern war movies, till your brain is affected...

a few years ago the US was stirred up with Drugs that turned people into zombies but it could be prevented quickly. indeed we don't know what will happen to humans in the future but we can still think positively so that our descendants can live in peace.

Also, a classic scorch earth war is close to impossible because the big nations are more focused on the resources than bombs and guns, the bombs will destroy resources so they are now changing their way to wage war against their rivals and enemies, for all we know, the war is already happening.

The problem that you are talking about isn't really of debt on poor countries but basic mismanagement of those countries by the politicians while the citizens allow that by being either blind and naive or simply complicit, in the corruption and exploitation of their own countries. The more i see the world, the more i feel that drawing these conclusions about "rich exploiting the poor" are becoming an excuse for people in poorer countries to not actually do anything.

In today's globalized world, youth from every part of the world have access to the images of opulence and prosperity streaming from the first world. As a result, the only aspiration that they have is to somehow copy them and fake a similarity with these social media idols. This is what results in those abysmal Tiktok trends where poor young adults from third world countries copy first-world influencers, rather than spending their time in building themselves or thinking about their society and politics.

You will see this pattern repeated in country after country. Nigeria, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh; almost every bit of these poor countries with a huge population have their youth hooked to such idiotic trends. All they care about is the next trend or somehow getting to these richer countries. So really, the "rich" countries aren't to be blamed here. The old excuses of colonization and imperialism are becoming old. America or England or Japan or even the Asian Tigers didn't get to this place by making excuses about "rich" countries exploiting them. They did it through generations of reforms and hard work.

The idea of bringing people come back to life scares me. Due to technological advancement, possibilities are becoming endless but I don't think it is very soon or might not become successful. People are not fascinated with the concept, and it would take a huge process to be approved.
I can't really blame some people if they think negatively of the future. This pandemic is unexpected as well.

war will probably happen since China had been preparing for it, they know it's going to come. they were caught having nuclear silos on their deserts just recently.
for me, i'd rather want to watch the war and bombs explode than become a zombie. if it means burned to crisp i guess the end times is worth watching.


it's only India that China had not been successful in making them a trade partner. the Chinese government had really invested a lot of money rebuilding their Belt and Road project which was once the ancient Silkroad. if they become successful with it they could conquer countries without even waging war. they actually improve the lives of the people along where the road goes. African cities are improving because of the trains they built.

The things you have mentioned on your list are already happening one way or another. The pandemic, surely, is exacerbating the situation, but things would still have happened anyway even without it.


Poor countries have always been exerting much effort to catch up with rich countries but still chaos and civil wars are still happening.


There has always been a wide and unfathomable chasm which divides the rich and the poor.


There has never been equality in the world. Equality is merely an idea, impossible yet always worth pursuing. Corruption has always been an issue since time immemorial. And opportunities were never equal.


The world has never ran out of abusive and dominating countries.


There never was a day in the world where there isn't a war happening somewhere.

Same reaction and same words on what you had said on here.Dont know on why they do end up on presuming about wars and other irrelevant  which is really not that likely to happen.

We are indeed seeing the opposite thing.We have seen on how countries do support to each other instead to fight off this pandemic even though there are some small issues but it wouldnt
really end up into this scenario.

Becoming zombies? OP is surely watching too much movies. 

I think you are just over reacting on thinking too much about such possibilities you are having in mind for the reason that we are all suffering into the effects of the pandemic so there is no reasoning out for wars to arise knowing that every nation is helping each other out. Over powering other nation taking advantage of the current situation is also impossible to result for wars as of the moment for the main concern is the welfare of the people saving each other's lives and such thing as chaos brought by zombies and wars are irrelevant things to come up with.

An  ex spy was asked if WW3 would break out and between which countries ?  His  reply was there will be a 3rd world war but it will be a class war  which if you see what is happening around the world  he may just be right  which is what you are saying about the ever increasing gaps between the mega rich and mega poor ...

Examinations of garbage dumps from ancient rome revealed human corpses were routinely discarded and mixed in with trash. There are eras of history where human life is not highly valued and slavery becomes normalized. Israelites in the bible were slaves under Egypt. Spartacus was a gladiator slave in rome. Africans were slaves in most of the world, only around a century ago. If people wish to prevent things like slavery, their best defense involves learning about it and becoming educated. Know history to prevent it from repeating itself.
 



Wars are dangerous to the rich as well as the poor. Like forest fires, they can blaze up and burn out of control. Consuming everyone and everything in their path. World War II, Vietnam and Korean Wars were the last real wars the united states participated in. What is called war today in the USA isn't real war. But carefully planned and executed skirmishes which can be controlled to suit a narrative. The same can be said of military industrial complex programs and projects. Everyone hesitates over and fears real war as it cannot be predicted or controlled.

Your post makes me laugh.

But i can guarantee you that a tough leader from Babylon will conquer both the rich and poor countries, but he will fail to conquer the Church which will exist as Nation during the choatic period.  It may surprise you who lead the Church then....
 People will see all kinds superior display of Powers on Earth then.

Indeed, this pandemic has brought a lot of chaos all over the world. Many conflicts arose and still arise up until today. Most countries has faced problems in terms of containing the virus and lowering covid cases. Money problems has been also one of the major issues of almost everyone that some government decided to print more money to patch things up. Economy of almost every countries went rock bottom, but others immediately bounced back and the other are now recovering.

Zombies are based from science fiction and based on researches online, there's no reason to be worried about apocalypse like that of movies. Sure, this pandemic has indeed showed that it is possible to have zombie-like symptoms or behaviour. However, zombie apocalypse in real life is impossible to happen. Only that of clinically diagnosed with disease can exhibit zombie traits. Although I assume what you meant here was exhibiting zombie characteristics as well as the time span of spread of the virus is like that of zombies - very contagious the moment one person contacted the virus, another people would be susceptible to it.

These scenarios seem a little exaggerated, but suppose that the poor countries fail to give the vaccination against the Corona virus to their citizens, then the disease will spread greatly, and in this case the rich countries will not wage war on the poor countries because of their fear of transmission to their soldiers and then from the soldiers returning home Once again, because vaccination against the disease does not guarantee that it will not be infected again, but it is possible that rich countries may resort to colonizing poor countries indirectly by exploiting their economic and medical needs and imposing on them the conditions they want in exchange for the aid they provide to these poor countries.
I think this scenario is more likely because the old colonialism through wars has come to cost a lot of money and soldiers' lives while economic colonialism is much less expensive and more secure than the spread of the epidemic. But at the same time, this will lead to an increase in the wealth of the rich countries and the poverty of the poor countries, and this may lead in the future to the emergence of armed conflicts and wars that threaten world peace.

I have no merits right now to support you, but this is absolutely true. I agree. What wars are we talking about? Do you think there will be a third world war? So there must be a winner. But the truth of life is that if countries have nuclear weapons, there will be no winners. There will be nothing. Absolutely.
And yes, who said the pandemic was over? Have you heard about virus mutations? We will live with a pandemic and get used to other diseases.

This is what happens when you are continuously reading or watching some conspira-shit theories in the internet.
I'm not saying though that chaos might not happens or wars might not happen either but the Zombie part?? That is just a fictional character, became popular and put some stories on it in order to become more popular.

The last pandemic happened was the H1N1 virus back in 2009. Did the war started? No. Is there chaos? I don't think so. The funny question is did zombies came?? I think you know the answer with that.
Take this pandemic as a restart of the world because after all, pandemics do happen every decade or 2 or even more decades. Just don't ever read or watch conspira-shit theories ever again .

I think that 5g chip from Microsoft, that got into your body from vaccine has started to work or damage your brain.
Otherwise how do describe such stupidity as "becoming zombies" ?

I have seen and am I feeling very clearly the bad things from the epidemic, although I have not thought about things like the OP, it is clear that it can be the cause and effect of negative things in the future. I had to close my shop because I couldn't sustain it at a loss, and it also brought a lot of bad things into my life.

Yes, it is. If there is a war, their supply will be rare, and it will hard to found, and only a country that wants to pay expensive will get the vaccine. But I do not think that they will do that because they are bonded with the United Nations, which monitors the distribution of the vaccine to all countries that need it.

Hopefully, the vaccine supply can fill every country's demands. If the other vaccine company can also contribute, there will be no war because of a scramble of the vaccine supply.

There's not a lot of big world events that might turn the doomsday clock to a full midnight so I don't think that this pandemic is going to be the start. You might be right but what the hell with the zombies, did you know that you can't reanimate the dead because at first their body will be too rigid to move plus they decay overtime if that's true. Lay off the conspiracy theories for awhile OP, try to get some fresh air.

Vaccine producing countries are the countries that benefit from the pandemic. when other countries are at war with the pandemic, of course there are also countries that benefit, and actually economic problems seem to have no effect and even make a country richer. Of course, this is viewed in terms of opportunity and ability to take advantage of the moment

Yes, you had some point but the feeling is different when you are living in a poor country and watching others that are now to started to live a normal life. The thoughts of being negative would eventually come to mind after comparing to others and this is indeniable that others will going to think like what I had wrote to OP.

However, once we got receive help from other rich countries lifting our morale without pushing us to debt then that would be work of great humanity. If so,  but if not probably not because all things are done just like business. You need this but I need something in you so we will exchange something for the better and that would be the kind of negotiations it will take and in the end poor countries will then can be colonized or will become slaves due to unpaid debt or unable to pay or the capability to pay.

War is really possible because other countries had started already while orhers are just being heated up by issues and concerns, bully and other means that could start the war. Well, I not need to afraid to die. I myself know and believe in the princple "Die today, Die tommorrow, the same thing were all gonna die"

Well, I think the world is upset with humanity. Your speculations are very much close to the reality. And as everything has an end, maybe the End of the Humanity is closer than we can imagine. We the people of earth are very close to crossing the limit. Sure, technology has advanced to an unimaginable extent and it will continue to do so. But maybe we are about to witness the most horrifying events ever in the history of humanity.

Forget about conspiracies, this is like a reset and it wasn't expected by most countries. If you're thinking that endless wars will come then you should go elsewhere just to be safe. But I'm not thinking like that because it's far from what we're expecting as most countries are doing what they can to ease the problem and at least recover from the economical effect made by the pandemic. I do agree in some of your points and those rich countries will become richer, especially the manufacturers of the vaccines.

There are always these type of talks in these big deals, even in 2008 crisis there were talks like these however reality is that we are not seeing anything that substantially different between nations.

USA is world's biggest nation both financially and in power and they had one of the biggest death counts as well, they had people dying in thousands every single day, and yes there are nations here that had the same problem as well in poor nations but it is just an example that virus doesn't care if you are big nation or a small nation and it kills you all the same if you are not careful enough, it is very important to follow the rules and unfortunately there are too many people who disobey the rules. Hell even with the vaccination there are tons of people who say they do not want to get one, but the number of death drop from 2 in 10 thousand to 1 in a million when vaccinated, do you really want to take a risk? Some people do. I think it is all about how people approach it and not about nation at all.

What I still don't get is what you mean exactly by opening an economy. Shoukdnit  be that your implying the no lock down or the let down on Covid-19 principles and guidelines or things of that nature. Perhaps you mean something entirely different I would want some clarification but then, if it refers to nations going back to there usual ways of conducting business, many nations are unto that and have already been  checking out measures to restoring there economy even during the pandemic. We say governments of nations giving out grants to businesses that were affected by the Covid-19 pandemic with hopes of economic restoration through restructuring but then, some economies would always be faster than others and that's a fact.

Well, perhaps the reason why there are few people who did not yet have vaccinated because of this zombie apocalypse will turn to those who have to take a shot with the vaccine. But who cares, that is only their wild imagination and the reason others are afraid to get a vaccine because of this theory which is very impossible to happen. So there could be chaos behind this story. This is quite funny and I remember the movie titled ^{[Z Nation]} on NETFLIX, I don't remember which episode but it seems the whole world was turning in a zombie apocalypse but there are hackers of bitcoin that was mentioned there who still hacking even the whole world fighting the human race. However, I know that will not happen, just pray and trust above us, he knows everything and he has a better plan for us. Stop thinking it over, soon we will back to normal.

Its been a year when pandemic started some already back to normal and other countries were still struggling fighting the virus but its not necessarily mean that when we got vaccinated things will be fully controlled. Theres no tested vaccine yet that works well in all kinds of covid variants so we should still be careful even for ourselves and the people who matter to us since governments will surely just trying to boost the economy that been at lost for years. Even during pandemic and before pandemic chaos and wars already exist. At this phase in our life we know and discover who are the leaders in our country that can do their work accordingly.

I was about to consider this a serious post, when I realised that you were preparing a scratch script for a movie. I think you are in the right path, most of the things you have said have already happened so it is great for added realism. Now we have to polish a few details such as the type of zombies... the usual un-dead with ragged clothes and walking sideways or are you looking for something like a white walker that can rise dead after battle. My personal favourite is the voodoo version "me wants braaaiiiiinssss".

In any of the cases, I am happy to play a zombie and accept payments in bitcoin.

I'm interested in this point and it is in two ways. First about the poor country getting poorer because of covid-19 vaccine purchased in debt, that will not be the factor that they will get poorer as they can get off poor if they know how to coordinate resources they have.

Yes it could lead to modern colonization because they could be exchange for covid-19 vaccine and other benefits the developed countries would require from less developed countries before granting of vaccine. In other side, there might be modern slavery for covid-19 exchange.

Many scenarios can happen after this pandemic ends. But if there a big war happens between a big country and the small countries can not survive, I think people will still try to survive even if they should die. Some of them will feel that it will better die because of war not to feel destruction everywhere.

We can not imagine what will happen if a big war happens because that will be worst than the second world war. After all, each big country will use its newest weapon to eliminate its enemy. Hopefully, every government in all countries can think about their people and discuss with the other government so the big war will not happen.

As frightening as it can be, these things that the op has mentioned is very likely to happen except the zombie thingy. As the pandemic continues, we are already seeing the huge impact that it has on a world wide scale. This just cannot be ignored specially by countries that are not as well of as the big countries. Sooner or later as people get poorer and pinned down, wars will never be too far away. Countries will have bigger differences and racism will only get worse. The only thing we can pray for is that these things get delayed more since it can never be prevented, and that we die peacefully in our sleep than die in the middle of a war.

Despite speculation, there are many people who think so.  Moreover, the country I live in is currently buying vaccines and saving the economy by borrowing from other countries.  In fact, the funds owed have a high potential for corruption, let alone to the regions.  People's money is held for several months to be deposited in order to get high interest.  Communities do not get any results from debt other than colonization of poverty that is increasingly maintained.

There are rumors that Covid 19 was a biochemical weapon of China that silently raised war and won over against other countries. Since the pandemic was said and theorized to have started in China and since China has been making noise about planning to becoming the leading country in the world. Some people think it is their deceiving move towards the whole world, they act like it has become uncontrollable but the truth is that they have prepared for it in advance which makes them lead the game up until now.

Chaos is something inevitable.
Becoming zombies on the other hand is scientific friction.
I do think you should understand for a fact that people have been trying to start wars. Well in some countries war is already on. Syria is already bombarded heavily least someone speak about it. India is being cornered by China day by day. On the other hand, we are seeing Ukraine trying to protect itself from the Russian armies where they are exporting armed good through trains. See if any single country exploded. If even one country found that they are on the verge of war. We will be seeing a world war and that would be inevitable since countries will come and support each other. It will be less of a support and more of a fueling the fire.

I'm only going to address this one point, because the rest of them just descend into wild flights of fantasy, which are perhaps driven by watching too much Walking Dead.

Civil war as a result of poor countries needing to catch up with richer countries because of....what, exactly?  You do realize that the US had a surplus of the Pfizer vaccine and shipped a bunch of doses to Peru and Pakistan, right?  And who knows if anyone else is helping out other, poorer, countries as well.  And keep in mind that COVID-19 is just a virus that kills far fewer people per year than things like cancer and heart disease.  The fact is that most people who contract COVID-19 recover and move on with their lives--and I've known several friends who've had their whole families contract the virus, and they're fine now.

People are going out of their goddamn minds about this pandemic, when what they ought to be doing is pushing for mask-wearing restrictions to be lifted.  This isn't the worst pandemic ever to hit mankind; it's just the most serious one that's happened in our lifetime.  Had the virus been more virulent (or had it been a different virus), things could have been much worse.  Don't lose your head over this.

~ There are looming dangers that signifies that WW3 is just around the corner. One tilt and the whole world can turn into a massive warzone leaving most land masses into barren wasteland filled with deadly radioactivity. With the rise of nuclear weapons, an imminent doom is upon us once a nuclear warhead has been deployed there will be no winners. Only casualty and a full on collapse of each nation. Massive destruction caused by people with inflated ego desperate for control and power.

pandemic knows how many people die along with the affected economy. even the life of a precarious unemployed worker everything is terrible. and if there was a zombie pandemic, it would feel like a really bad apocalypse, just too much bad in the covid -19 pandemic years, and if zombies were real it would be horrifying to give the whole world.

The pandemic started in Wuhan China and it has affected many countries around the world, as for zombies, I feel it only exists in science fiction but learned from a crazy idea to become a zombie. movie. It's like an experiment by rich people to put them in a frozen state and wait 100 or 1000 years before they can find the magic potion or improve the technology to be able to come back to life.

I'm pretty sure the zombie idea was taken directly from an old tribe that predicted it and then translated as something Nostradamus included in their prophecies.

I thought zombies was the dead coming back to life in those texts though, perhaps equivelant to the use of cpr and ventilators that are now widespread at least in rich countries.

All countries should have a view to ending the pandemic as the wealthy economies are to blame for it and it's cheap enough to produce the vaccines. (~€250bn to vaccinate the world with 2 doses of the vaccine). There's the other possibility that vaccines will lose their patent in 7 years so that might be what we're waiting for for some poorer countries to get it.

I think China is trying to acquire countries too, they've been trying to do that in Africa and the pandemic might help them do it (since they can't find a way to reduce their population and want a way to increase their quality of life so they look an attractive place to live) - the countries around China seem to be quite strong economic allies of Europe though: Singapore, Thailand, Bangladesh and Taiwan. And there's India off on its own with quite a lot more strength than China (being less isolationist).

News are popping out everywhere that other countries had already open their economy slowly because majority of people are already vaccinated. Thus, opening of economy means a great advantage at bouncing back to make progress compared to other countries in which people are still to be vaccinated.

I know that this is unfair because there are rich and poor countries but its alright no one is to be blame. It will only depend on the individual to strive hard to get out from poverty may it be living in a rich or poor countries.

However, there are things that comes to my mind about the certain situations or scenario that I wanted to share and discuss.

First, poor countries will need to double the effort to catch up with other countries or else it will create chaos in that countries and might start a civil war.

Second, Rich countries will becoming more richer while poor will becoming more poor especially if the vaccines for covid19 purchase through debt. There is a possibility that after these pandemic another country will begin to colonized other country and no one could help because they had huge resources especially for war.

Third, equality will no longer be applied to people living in poor countries and will be consider as slaves due to debt. More corruption activities will take place selling people or the country by selfish leaders wanting a space or position if colonization will going to take place. We know that other countries had no equal opportunities influence by their culture especially to females, elders and children.


Fourth, Rich countries will become more abusive as a result of their power that will make them more corrupt to it. There will come a time that there are certain countries that will going to dominate the world and probably these countries will going to torn the world apart if they started war.

Fifth, endless wars will going to take place and peace and freedom will be taken out from humanity.

This is just my speculations. Others are talking about getting into zombie apocalypse from the covid19 vaccines they take. But that would be more fictios than my thoughts.

However, if people will become zombies then I'd rather get infected than experiencing war that can result to total devastation to people, environment and the structures.

What do you think?