Topic: paraipan's coins on the move (Read 4739 times)

Posted few updates on these coins over here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5135232

1) Some btc on 19cjToFnp451Vgia2GStXoG5Kxo4Hqx2QJ
2) large volume on Bitstamp
 e7c0e98a1ba9a65d446eca7b4e065e141f2ee1a8cb967e8f8c802856339e9cbf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) Small volume on
Uphold
57ebfe1772013928557f7182c25a2b8e2d0e18cd7757b2d6c532a0fd54f98bcf
Kraken
ef8a6de69ddca35d1ca0b10c23ccb7de55d83b61cfd6dfb0c604fe1ae0f7c37d
b7e475334e3b00de986664a0c5da98c5180facbdea7062a8c8952e09cc8ab02e
Binance
b251d415c88fcdbde79cd1c16c20551100b62a34ce444f82c65bc06e1e0c476b
7a129cbddef15e4ee26cdad266e330d004197e8bfdffa7cd0e2400c86db6b7c0

Specially for https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/loycev-459836

It is certain he did not read any bit of this thread and the discussion before posting that out of point comment. What connection was the OP with 2017/18. A complete spam.

Read the discussion. Check the details, later, add a post if you have anything. Don't spam a serious thread.

I am not an expert but :

coins moving from 1D2hSwYYiEmEim2ot8Ga3vhxY46Hd8Z5gc 

To
19jZC7k4apchzkYYzb2GSvDH5E5ipTjFY6  (150BTC)  - BRANCH ONE
   143Qs82VgAt9HaSxtJnk9Cp5QzPDw88hFn  (100BTC)   BRANCH TWO
Tx in 2016


The address 143Qs82VgAt9HaSxtJnk9Cp5QzPDw88hFn   was first funded in 2012 (by this address : 1K86BDReVStPcWqHFYB9avPnvAgswBukjS), there wasn't that many people in the forum, can we parse the forum to see if someone is connected to this ?
The address 1K86BDReVStPcWqHFYB9avPnvAgswBukjS has multiple connection with Satoshide 48% and satoshidice hot wallet, can look into this ?
I read one that the founder of satoshidice was a prominent member of the forum. 


The address 19jZC7k4apchzkYYzb2GSvDH5E5ipTjFY6   sent the coins to those 2 addresses (2016-07-05 10:25:58)  :

16bzFLrJpw3BMJWxJiivEwbPaPXQuQjVGh  (100BTC)
1Gozcijs8FbuBkkeABTAp1JZ1JwzS8k6nT  (50BTC) 


The address 16bzFLrJpw3BMJWxJiivEwbPaPXQuQjVGh   was first funded in 2012 FRom this address : 1LvBnppCSiCGqhebkWGQCcHAs1yBHXNLBX

And 1LvBnppCSiCGqhebkWGQCcHAs1yBHXNLBX has received multiple incoming transactions from paraipan see this transaction dc615c4aab41248893fbdf05a541f37420f2761ac625706921c4b550b11e2b40


So the address 16bzFLrJpw3BMJWxJiivEwbPaPXQuQjVGh    who has 100 BTC from the forum moved those coins yesterday  to 13af4myTyjBzgNafCN5pbHpPbkUm7UbPr3
Then they moved to
3KePkKJojaVgaSSGYSmboqX2hSaNd97Ay8  (45BTC)
and
back to 16bzFLrJpw3BMJWxJiivEwbPaPXQuQjVGh ( 51BTC) !!! (the one that got the coins in the first place in 2016 and that was for the first ime funded in 2012)




Anyway,
There are probably people with a much bigger brain than mine, with much better blockchain skill than mine and that might be able to find the coins.

The coins are on the move, let's find them !!

Not sure, but it makes sense that it would update with auto-renews. What I find odd is the account having funds to auto-renew, but that's not impossible either.


Wonder if someone tried calling them, likely that someone already tried.

At the time of the report of his passing, I was able to find a lack of use of public accounts seemingly owned by him for several months afterwards and a person who seems to have been a friend or close associate who later posted about Bitcoin on one of their own pages.

If someone wants my data as retrieved from July of 2014 (with only one major update) when I last looked into this, PM me and I can copy/paste it. I'm not really keen on putting public info into a public post at the moment until we're sure he's acting out of malice/greed and not really dead and this is just a family member not sure of what they've got their hands on. Several posts of his personal info were confirmed on this forum some years previous and he seemed genuinely upset at their posting, so I believe we do have his actual name.

EDIT: I have three emails and two phone numbers for him in the data, mostly from WHOIS records as you've got indicated above.

Won't updated still update if it was auto renewed by godaddy? If he had a 3 year lease on that domain, the last time it would renew would be a year before it expired which is what matches with the info.

Same registrant information from other domains related to him and the same discrepancy between time of death and last activity on his account. I'd like to believe that he indeed died, but it's getting harder to believe so. If he did, someone had access to his things, which I find odd.

http://whoadmin.com/bit2mobile.com.html


New conclusion: Alex is a registered Chicago Democrat (apologies if you missed the humor).

http://whoadmin.com/bit2.mobi.html

Read the OP and imm. went into forensics mode uncovering what's bolded within a minute. Have since read the rest of this thread among some of the others. Conclusion: Paraipan is theymos!   Seriously, an interesting case.

These are by the same OP (basically they are the same post):

Spanish: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/descansa-en-paz-paraipan-583285
Meta: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rest-in-peace-paraipan-583286

Not sure if it helps much but one of the addresses it was sent money to, 30 btc,  1G6Pvh2713qT3pwDAXZwi77KRscR3wKcXp have been used here http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1G6Pvh2713qT3pwDAXZwi77KRscR3wKcXp

? Nothing, neither the family nor his business partner replied to any of my attempts and regardless about knowing nearly everything about him, without being able to get copies of the death certificate there isn't much I can do.

News dogie ?

Not sure what you mean. I think theymos is only going on what someone told him. As far as I'm aware there is no other proof other than that and the fact he hasn't logged in though he did still log in a few days after his supposed death from what I recall.

even if my english is sometime a bit broken ( i have to admited it )  i think having read corectly the OP ... no ?

We dont even have that as far as I'm aware. Just him mentioning he was ill. Who was it that announced his death?

yeah.. true . and nothing is more easy than making a fake death certificate ...  if this is all the proof we got to attest his "death", this is a bit "light"... at my point of view..

What was the actual cause of his death?

It is possible that whoever purchased the old equipment is does not fully understand how Bitcoin magical internet money works, including how to "create" a new Bitcoin address, so after they put in a lot of effort into decrypting the wallet securing the forum's money, they moved the bitcoin to a wallet that was never encrypted (this would also somewhat assume they do not understand how encryption works). Or maybe whoever purchased the equipment also purchased a pice of paper that happened to be an encrypted paper wallet that was kept with the equipment, or maybe whoever purchased the equipment, found an encrypted paper wallet that they were finally able to crack and needed to move to another wallet that was already on the equipment they purchased.

I think there are a lot of possibilities as to why someone who purchased a computer from the estate would transfer the bitcoin to one of paraipan's existing wallets.

He could have divulged the information to a family member of his, who took his death as an opportunity to help himself with the coins.

If Pairapan had run away with the coins, they would have been transferred earlier.

For a $140K even good people do bad things i'm sure he is alive spending those coins. I'm not sure why anyone would trust an anonymous person to hold such value.

I think that says everything then. Either he's not dead or his business partner has somehow managed to gain access to the coins.

See my post with wallet info. 5btc from the 250 was sent back to an otherwise empty wallet owned by Paraipan or his business partner.


I'm trying to summarise several pages of information with proof of their son's involvement in one line.

Where did he send $2,500? It just seems to be one transaction of the full amount. Did that 250btc end up in any addresses previously associated with him?


That would possibly be even more alarming. People tend to ignore any letters claiming that they're owed long lost money. 99% likely scams and most people would just disregard it.

But then why send $2,500 to his old dead wallet?


I traced him back to his family home which hadn't been sold in decades. Whoever is living there now is either the family or the tenant of the family.


I had several letters professional translated asking to make contact to provide information, not to immediately reclaim the bitcoins. There also seems little reason to ignore it because I stated that his estate is owed some money (which it is).


Well, I guess so then. A related issue is that the name format in Spain (which that business reg. document is from) is different to Romania. Those documents could have been forged though and would only need complicity with his business partner (who strangely also refused to make contact after several attempts).

His identity (name-surname) was well know or am I wrong?

It is also possible that his family sold off his computer/device that he was storing the forums BTC on, and whoever purchased it was only recently able to crack the password/encryption used to secure the BTC. This would complicate attempting to recover the BTC in an already complex case with a contract that I am unsure will hold up in court.

This makes it even more likely that he could just easily fake his own death. Not exactly hard to do when you're anon and over £100k is no small sum to just disappear from an anon account on a message board. The fact that the bitcoins have moved leads me to believe he's more likely alive than not unless you have some pretty concrete evidence that he died (a couple of people on here claiming to know him isn't sufficient though (do we even know if they're not alts or are they also anonymous too?)). I guess his friends or family could have found the wallet and finally cracked the password if they were aware of them but are you sure you 100% confirmed his identity or his next of kin? I know if my next of kin got a random weird email or message on social media asking about bitcoins they'd either have no idea what you were talking about or just ignore it. They'd also probably ask me if I knew anything about it first before responding and if I was alive and holding 250 bitcoins I'd probably just tell them to ignore or deny it.

I sent translated letters / instructions to them twice but never received any contact from them. The distribution of funds seems to widespread for it to be a family member because its unlikely they had any idea about Bitcoin. He was off in Spain after studying so they wouldn't have been exposed to his business activities.

Interesting. Is his next of kin privy to his bitcoin holdings/the fact that he was holding coins for the forums? Were they unable to retrieve/claimed to not able to retrieve his coins?

One of the other problems with Paraipan was he was anonymous and only known to the forum under his pseudonym. Took me quite a while to 100% confirm his identity, jobs, companies, multi country locations, next of kin etc etc.

I've recently talked with theymos about this. A good multisig implementation would most likely prevent a lot of similar scenarios.

CIYAM was just fired up and made a bad choice, but no way he would have withheld the coins IMO. Anyways, it is pretty much a no-brainer to setup multi-sig these days.

It probably wouldn't have made sense to use multisig when the funds were originally distributed (or more likely it wasn't even a thing then) but now that we have the technology it makes a lot more sense to use it. It seems that most of the treasures are legitimate, but don't forget about the CIYAM incident.. Although everything ended up alright, multisig would have prevented that incident.

The funds were likely sent out before Multi-Sig was so widely used. I think all of the treasures are legit and all, but they are definitely not immortal!

I agree, especially when 250 BTC of forum funds have already been lost. Even though it wasn't lost due to scamming (as far as people know), people die due to freak accidents all the time. 2-of-3 multisig would be an option, but the forum could also consider 3 or 4-of-5 multisig as well. That way a majority would be required to move coins but you could still be missing a few key owners to move coins (ex. 3-of-5 would work even if two key owners went MIA at the same time).

This is a fantastic idea, bitcoin has the multi-sig function, so why not use it ?

In Romania? I'm sure Cyrus could do it. If the info was essential to getting closure on the situation it would be worthwhile.

I have pages and pages of information on him, that's not the issue. You have go to the town hall of his very small home town and turn up in person to request his death certificate as there isn't a central national database.

Multi-sig will prevent the exact issue that has come up with paraipan. If a treasurer becomes incapacitated, then two of the three necessary signers for any address can simply move the coins held to another address controlled by three non-incapacitated treasurers.

I'm sure someone could find out more details on this if his name is known or a private detective sure could. Can anyone get the death certificate from Romania? Cyrus is Romanian as far as I'm aware. If his name and date of death is roughly known I'm sure it could be easily found out. Call me a cynic but until we find out 100% he's deceased I wouldn't take the word of a few other random users on here unless their word is especially trusted but the fact that the coins are now moving is very suspicious.


Agreed, not to mention people can get greedy or lose access to them themselves.

The forum should move the existing funds that are held by single users into multi-sig ASAP. I know folks like OgNasty are reliable, but shit happens and people die every day.

No. I was unable to locate the Spanish death certificate because we didn't have the actual date of his death and his Romanian death certificate is only retrievable in person. There are several members on here that claimed to know him personally and that he did indeed die.

The earliest funding of the wallet b72 which received that 5btc was initially started by wallet ba5 which itself received large deposits from 1b0d. Both b72 and ba5 are the same wallet owned by either Pairaipan or his business partner.

Now, 1b0d's most used address is 1lvbnppcsicgqhebkwgqcchas1ybhxnlbx which appears to be a vanity address (1 love bitcoin)??. Anyway, it belongs to Rugatu which was Paraipan and his business partner's Bitcoin version of Fiverr.

It appears that one of those two people is in control of the funds, else why would they send 5 btc to an otherwise unused bitcoin wallet in one of their names?

Is he 100% confirmed to have pased away? Seems a bit weird that if you knew you were gravely ill you wouldn't make sure all your business was in order and return the coins he was holding.

Hmm. This isn't any address I've provided to the family.

Contact bitstmp and find out who the owner of the account who has a deposit address of 3GEnQ7ChhGoPCcBn2CRJexNcgK7FMaBGTr is. This is likely the person who has access to the 250BTC that paraipan was holding for the forum, and likely a heir to the estate of paraipan.

The above address received BTC from 1K3CxWrq91rByL9PjV9wccfhyuToF2WNRX and 1G6Pvh2713qT3pwDAXZwi77KRscR3wKcXp in 2015.

1G6Pvh2713qT3pwDAXZwi77KRscR3wKcXp received .5BTC from 1F1s6gdLNT8YP4eqrwwsyfxfF5gaCJ9nAP earlier this year.

1F1s6gdLNT8YP4eqrwwsyfxfF5gaCJ9nAP received 0.9999BTC from 16bzFLrJpw3BMJWxJiivEwbPaPXQuQjVGh the same day as the above transaction.

16bzFLrJpw3BMJWxJiivEwbPaPXQuQjVGh received BTC in 2012 AND 100BTC that can reasonably be traced back to the 250BTC paraipan was holding by looking back just 3 transactions to find the address that paraipan held the forum's BTC in.

Bitstamp will likely ask for a court order to release the identity of that account holder, and I don't think most courts will issue such an order to anyone except to either you or law enforcement who is investigating the theft of the above BTC.

No, he died some years ago, but these coins didn't move until recently.

paraipan died recently or what? I see him inactive since June 02, 2014.

paraipan was holding 250 BTC for the forum when he sadly died. Now it looks like someone found his wallet, since these coins are on the move. If anyone is able to trace these coins and recover any of them for the forum, you can keep 25% of the recovered amount.