Topic: Paying $20/daily to run an ad campaign for us. - page 3. (Read 1140 times)

Let's assume that I'm interested in working for you and you share the business plan with me. What's stopping me from coming back to this thread and positing it all for others to see? I'm an independent contractor, there's no NDA, I can reveal whatever I want.

Why won't you just say it here and be done with the charade? People won't suspect you of advertising anything illegal and you will attract more potential partners.

This guy has excuses for everything
Doesn't want to verify his identity to his own clients lol

I am guessing he's doing something very illegal(probably selling guns or even drugs) or may be phishing bank logins. These kinds of activities will land you in jail for a very very long time. Take care everyone.

Yeah, you're right. Using someone elses card to run my business' campaign is a bit unorthodox. As others have mentioned, using a debit card from a new checking account with a small amount is a fine way to counter this. However, Google charges in batches of $350 and we send the first payment before the ad is even running to help build trust.


That's not at all what I said. I said there is of course the inherent risk of the ad account being suspended but this is a possibility when running ANY campaign on a new account. In the event this did happen, the ad account would not be able to run similar campaigns to mine. Running a different campaign would more than likely start running, assuming billing is valid.

We don't need to reveal anything more than we already have. Those that choose to work with us are free to ask any questions they like and receive payments from our business PayPal... Revealing what agency is circumventing Google's policies may not be the smartest idea for us.


Yeah, this would work fine for us assuming you can get our payment transferred within a few days so no payments get declined. Google tends to ban accounts with virtual cards like Brex & Privacy because people abuse the free $350 Google initially provides before charging the payment on file.

 I will try it to see how it goes , send me info here email [email protected] with details.

It’s simple, use a debit card and just load an amount which the campaign needs so that you can’t be charge with unnecessary amount if this deal become shady. There many online wallet that offer a quick debit card that will useful on scenario like this. It’s really absurd to connect a debit card on business like this.

I’m just wondering if we will setup the payment method using our card. So it means OP will send the  payment budget in advance for the marketing? Because no one will gonna use there own money for the initial payment for the ads.

This is a post about your service. You can keep on trying to make it personal, but your petty tricks won't work on me.

You have yourself stated, that whoever works with will never be able to access google ads.
You should include it in your post. Until you do, I would call this a scam. Because this is  huge risk that your clients are going to take and they have to be aware of this fact.
You also need to prove your identity with your clients, in case of any legal implicationa down the line.
Since you are using their identity to advertise "your" business. This is another risk, which supersedes the previous one. And may probably destroy someone's life(since you wouldn't disclose anything publicly that can be verified).

Anyhow, I can't enfore these two things. But whoever works with you, will hopefully read my post and will take necessary precautions.

I've said the need to use a credit or debit card. Yes, you don't need the actual card and its details but you need someone to use their own for paying your ads. Just like the concern of the others, there could be something go wrong with the use of others' cards. Anyway, I've only shared what I happen to experience before, and good luck to your ad and whoever will accept it.

I don't need to disclose my niche to you to advertise. I'm sorry if I wasn't clear but all I need to say is these are whitehat campaigns and if that changes when I'm setting up the campaign then sure I'm a scammer.

The lack of professionalism is absurd and once again that leads me to believe you had a very rough time with Google Ads. Instead of trying to gatekeep, re-read a few of my posts. Maybe you learn a thing or two I wish you luck on your internet marketing journey.

That's funny because you want to advertise this product  

I stand with my conclusions.
Till now, you fail to disprove any of the points that I have raised  

Good luck scammer

Then simply move on? You've made it very clear that those considering working with us should be apprehensive. I don't disagree because we're on an internet forum hiring complete strangers, "anonymous" as you have put. I don't know why you keep mentioning "legal trouble" though, are you working for Google?

I'm not going to mention my product or service aside from the fact we've got a number of clients and in-house whitehat e-commerce campaigns that need to be setup. If this is different when it comes time to set this campaign up then they're free to stop working with us.

I give zero shits about google. I am concerned about users who might end up in your scheme and face consequences because they weren't aware of the risks beforehand.
 
I have talked to definevalue(check my first post on this thread) on telegram in the past when they were looking to start their own business. They are a good person(and I hope they think the same about me).
My posts are meant as a warning for them and other users like him.

These are the problems with your offer:

• You fail to mention your product or keyword until now. Someone with a legit business would have done so in their original post. You are looking for an advertisement right? Why be so private then?
• If there's no predetermined business or keyword, then you can abuse their accounts and probably run ads on any keywords at any time. Possibly landing them in legal trouble too.

Until now you have written 1000+ words with zero mentions about what your business is about   This fact alone cements my belief about your business being a blackhat and probably very illegal.

Sure. Google loves suspending people for no reason. And not because someone really broke their ToS. And now the same person is looking for new accounts while being anonymous too. And whoever applies to your scheme, will get their accounts banned too(which you fail to mention in your OP).

I am not the one enticing people and use their accounts to abuse google ads (There's still a chance that they may end up in legal trouble since we don't know what your product or keyword is).
This isn't called being successful kiddo. It's called being a conman, Know your words.

You haven't setup a new campaign recently then... Ever since June, even our standard one campaign lead-gen/e-commerce campaigns are being suspended. Of course they come back on appeal when someone actually reviews the campaign.

What's interesting to me is the fact you continue to respond here. Sure, anyone on a forum should be weary of anyone promising money and you made that clear. So why are you still here... That's the only reason I bring up your lack of success.

I'm not going to keep entertaining these posts, however to anyone interested who currently runs ads. Read the posts further up, you can still run ads assuming you're not running my exact campaigns with my specific keywords. I'd love for someone with a better understanding of adwords than this guy to chime in here.

Nt. Google never fires a wrongful suspension.
This excuse may work with your naive clients ofc.

Idk why you keep on bringing what I may or may not have done. This is a topic about your service and not my biography lol


Good luck finding anyone. Since you have agreed yourself that whoever enrolls may never be able to use google adwords.

Yes, why not? Why ask strangers to do that for you and not your own family and friends?
Unless you are running maaaany accounts for same product, which wouldn't make sense because like I already said:  You would  be driving CPC by competing with yourself.
Why not just increase cpc or budget on your own account. Your logic and answer make no sense.

So we aren't just advertising on Bitcointalk. We've got plenty of campaigns that need to be setup, that's why we're branching outside of the agency.

Again if we were to setup a new LLC and everything that's required to run ads, that still doesn't guarantee that Google won't see whats happening. Once they ban one campaign, they don't want you creating others for the same business, website, keywords etc.

If you have a profitable product on a specific vertical and you want to scale it, why not try running ads with your friends or family like you said? Most of these profitable niches come with seasonality so don't you wanna squeeze every bit of profit from them before that trend slows down? It sounds like you tried to do exactly what we're doing but weren't successful....



Sure, there's no denying there's a risk of the ad account getting suspended. I can't say this is too common the way we do it but there is always the risk. Even if you're running a fully legitimate campaign on Google nowadays, you've still got a high chance of random AI misfire suspension...

Our business or the website being advertised does NOT violate Google TOS. However, running multiple ads for one product falls under gaining an "unfair competitive advantage" and this is against Google TOS.

$20/daily for someone who will never use Google Ads is pretty good. Anymore than this and we won't be profitable.



I think you're misunderstanding something. We don't need a credit/debit card. You just need to have a payment method to setup inside Google Ads. This is done on your own computer. We're not asking for your credit card details....


Glad you asked. So our taxes are a little more complicated. You'd be working as an independent contractor meaning we don't need to request any personal information and you'd be responsible for filing your own taxes. Since you won't be receiving the profit from the shop, you'll just be taxed on the $20/day and you file this like you would normally.

What if the candidate you choose has to pay taxes on the money they earned? You going to pay the taxes for them as well? Just curious since everything is pretty much kyc these days.

There's already a red flag why there's a need to use a credit or debit card. I've applied for this type of marketing before and I was tricked and fooled.
I even submitted my ID for this type of task. I was young during that time and haven't realized that my identities were being used for the campaign of that company.

banning from Google AdWords services is a sufficient reason to distance yourself from this offer. It's not worth $20.
maybe you could give a closer example here, which type of ad it is (I doubt that someone will steal such a risky idea from you) and it would remove doubts that there is no legal problem besides everything.


OP, himself wrote that there is a great risk to be sanctioned by Google because the whole business is against their TOS. I'd say he was just extenuating, I would say it is 100% certain that the ban will happen.

I have said my piece.
If I was running a business on google ads, then I would reach out to my friends and family & would rather pay them 20 USD daily for their account.
They would be happy to help expand my business and in return earn some passive income too.
Or I would set up an LLC(new business) in a different state under my name & ownership. And probably it won't even break google's terms since it's a new business(still DYOR). There are many ways to do this.

Personally, I would never create multiple accounts. Since one account on all platforms has always been enough for me.
I can raise CPC, to get a better placement or offer better service. Or branch to some other platform to advertise my product.

But when a new account comes offering 20 USD via cryptocurrency to use their google account for running an ad, it sure as hell doesn't look good given how many scams run on google ads.

To start, as mentioned in the thread, these aren't really blackhat ads. We are using blackhat techniques to run multiple ads but the campaigns themselves are selling merchandise for a popular crypto platform. (All designs are done in house and no trademark/copyright is being infringed on)

Double serving on Google will not land you in legal trouble... Even if we were running ads infringing on trademark/copyright, Google would ban the account and that would be that.


That's correct, we don't require anyone to use their own ad account currently running ads. You'd create a new one for this task and if you're currently running ads then we could create an MCC account and this would ensure that if the time came that Google noticed the ads and banned the account, it wouldn't affect the other accounts. Google won't ban an agency for running ads for a client that's doubleserving. The agency would have no way to know this.


That's not entirely true. We're outsourcing because if we setup an ad account under our MCC to run ads for the same product on the same keywords then yes we risk our MCC getting banned because it's clear to Google what we're doing.

If anyone running ads with us has a problem with BTC payments, we offer PayPal as well. We only offered BTC because of where we are currently.

As far as keywords go, we setup the account together so they see exactly what keywords are being added. And as mentioned previously, the account stays under their Google, we won't have any access as that defeats the whole purpose of this exercise.

That's an interesting read but I highly doubt they were paying $20/day to run ads when they can create the ads themselves.


So this is an interesting point. Initially this is what I thought as well. Just raise the budget and drown out the competitors (5-10% is nothing though) but this doesn't work the way you think. Google has a way of diminishing returns as you raise your budget. This is because they artifically raise the CPC because of the other ads using auto bidding.

Case B is exactly what we're doing and I'll let you in on a secret. Google prioritizes results for smaller ads because naturally they need the smaller advertisers to have good results in an effort to get them to spend more. By creating multiple ads, we're driving the CPC up yes but not nearly as much as we would by raising the budget drastically on a single ad. In addition to cheaper clicks, think about the competition when you have multiple ads spending $100/day. Their impression share will drop by around 20% for every ad that goes up and the only way to compete is to raise their CPC to a level that isn't sustainable because the niche we're in (e-commerce), there's only so much room for marketing.

To me, it sounds like you've been banned in the past and dealt with having multiple accounts banned. Next time you're having this trouble, I would say to try setting up a campaign in a completely different niche and watch as it starts running. Google can't differentiate from regular advertisers and agencies and those in between (Fiverr/Upwork freelancers). Sure, they won't let you create new accounts for your business but other business in different niches they will let run no problem.

I only mention this because worst case, our ads get detected as double serving and they ban the account. If you wanted to use Google Ads in the future, you can! Unless you're trying to run a campaign similiar to ours.