Topic: Paying $20/daily to run an ad campaign for us. (Read 1140 times)

hi, is it possible to join you yet? i am pretty much interested

Good luck. Just be wary(like make sure the ads aren't of phising sites, or he's not installing some malware via remote software etc)
A feedback from a forum member will help OP too(in case this offer is really genuine, which I still doubt lol).

Alright let's try this. i have sent you a pm, will leave my feedback here if you ever followed up with your claims.

Hey, thanks for your interest.

So we're working with people across different forums. Unfortunately if someone is going to leave feedback in the original thread, it will most likely be a negative experience they had working with us. Since we haven't had a negative encounter thus far, there is simply no feedback. If you'd like to be the first, you can PM me and I'll go over next steps. After you're ready, you can report back here.

Thanks

OP. Why won't you answer this simple question ? it seems like you're deliberately trying to avoid it.

2 more campaigns to setup. PM me first come first serve.

a few days ago, I find a very similar offer on Reddit. I believe he finds potential candidates there also.
the question remains, why is he still looking for new candidates and why we don't have anyone with feedback from this deal?

I have sent him a message on tg a while back but he never replies. I don't know what he's trying to do here but he's up to no good.

your offer has been active here for more than a month. Considering that the offer is very tempting, $20 per day, you must have already had interested candidates. Usually, well-paid jobs are filled very quickly.
is there a possibility for one of them to share here their experience in working with you? (of course, not some newly created account)

Not exactly how it works. Assuming we were running blackhat ads, the account would be banned but the account holder can always create another account. As long as they're advertising something whitehat that is completely different, the ads will go live.

Be carefull of the ads you post on your google ads account, you can get banned for life if they find you are publishing blackhat ads.

I recommend Sir irfan_pak10 as the Bounty Campaign Manager  

This is his Forum Profile link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/irfanpak10-350580

His official topic, which contains his previous works with clients: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bountyportals-where-bounty-management-meets-automation-campaign-manager-2054990

After you read his official topic, contact him through forum messages or via telegram: @irfan_pak10

Hi, do you have telegram? Thanks


So we're looking for partners to help setup Google Ad campaigns. By signature, I think you mean on Bitcointalk? I have never tried that. Who do you recommend as a manager? Thanks

Will this be a signature campaign or your usual google ads campaign?
If it will be signature campaign you can chose to hand the campaign to a manager that forum trust or you can escrow the fund. This will have your project and save you reputation.

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You are a newbie, many people cannot send you pm. You can include your telegram ID to Op to make people contact you.

Hi, I am interested and also have been providing similar services to many people! I have many ad accounts and will allocate one account specially for you. let me know if you're interested thanks!

That's a good point. If anyone on Reddit were scammed by us or anyone else, they'd receive a ban from that subreddit and possibly Reddit itself.
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Have a few more campaigns for August to get setup, PM if you're interested.

OP is running his little scheme on reddit too.

The first reply to his posting:


You have been warned again
Link: https://www.reddit.com/r/Jobs4Bitcoins/comments/wg5iil/hiring_english_speakers_with_a_pc_and_internet/

Can't PM you. Kindly drop your telegram username or discord to further discuss the details or you can sent me a message on your telegram or discord username. Thank you.

hi, please check your personal messages

Have a campaign to get setup. Reach out if you're interested in $140/week.

hi im interesed to runyou the campigin can you send me your telegram please

Crypto related e-commerce.

what kind of site/service or product do you plan to advertise ?

I mean you can just use the same account and make a new thread, I am just saying using different account make it seems dodgy and shady.

Oh yeah we're definitely still violating Google's TOS but running in restricted niches carries a far higher risk of being banned then gaining an unfair advantage. We wouldn't be offering $20/day if we were running anything restricted.

wdym, you are still circumventing google's policies.
I thought you said all of your campaigns were whIteLisTed and tOtAlLy LeGiT. There's no guarantee your current campaigns are legit either. Since you fail to provide any proof or even verify your identity to your clients

Like I already said, you are a conman and a proven liar now  Keep on making excuses tho

It's the only way to have a truly unique campaign setup on Google. If you run multiple campaigns for similar websites on the same keyword then that's a conflict of interest so the MCC will get a warning and the ads will be paused.


To ensure that nobody requests $50/day. As I said previously, this was for running restricted niches as per Google. Still not BH but these come with a high risk of having the ad account banned.

I already sent you a pm but you don't reply me,
now I have a question, so you already made similar thread previously, but why you need to make this new thread with different account?

if you are referring to creating a google account, and you are asking for requirements from an applicant who must have a debit or credit card, Paypal and others, doesn't that seem strange? so why do you need an account from someone else? it's just really suspicious.

Then your offer of 20$ per day is already big for most, I'm also sure many sent you a message on that thing that showed interest in what you offer. I just don't know what you agreed on and if you also fulfilled those agreements. That's all I'm really surprised at, its a bit skeptical of the minds of the members here in this forum.

Yeah that was our previous thread. We're not able to provide $50/daily anymore as some of our clients were running in restricted niches allowing for higher payouts across the board.


If that were the case then you'd see those posts by the people supposedly banned by our illegal adverts.

Going by his previous post. He seemed to be replying to only a certain people(I am guessing he's looking for innocent ones who aren't tech-savy and don't know much about blackhat stuff, online scams etc).
I hope whoever works with them, will prioritize their own security rather than money. Since OP fails to provide any assurance other than his own words.

Ok if he does not want to post his niche and business publicly, its his right but i am wondering has he hired someone to do the task and did he paid anyone 20 bucks a day ?

There are few people who said that they have DM him, did anyone deal with him and got paid or got scammed 

Nice find   He will be ready with some other excuse to cover this lol

I wonder what happened to his previous clients?  
Definitely got them banned with his illegal adverts.

I knew i have seen something like this around here before, You don't  happen know this guy by any chance ? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/50-daily-hiring-people-for-my-ad-agency-anyone-is-eligible-5351399

If i have to guess i would say its probably the same person with multiple accounts (although he was offering 50$ then so i guess business is not booming nowdays ? ), I don't know if what he is offering is legit or not but a guy who has two accounts promoting the same service is not to be trusted in my opinion.

We're going in circles now. If I am running a scam then the client should not be my client and end the campaign creation right there...

Dm for deal, if it's still relevant.

DM for deal.

Then what's stopping you from posting your "legal" business in the original post.
You are caught in your own lie now  


So you do agree that it will be the client's responsibility for whatever scam you run  
This is what I have been saying, to minimalize the consequences they should verify your identity or post your so-called "legal" business here to corroborate the ads.



Good luck conman

There's nothing stopping you from doing that. You'd soil a blossoming business relationship that's paying $20/day for minimal effort. You could also copy our keywords, ad copy and create your own campaign with the same designs that we're running. I wouldn't want to compete with us but you could try it. Google is a long game. If you can sustain that then by all means, otherwise I'd stick with the $20/day.


You'd have to be blind to let someone run ads promoting guns, drugs or anything else obviously blackhat. It's the responsibility of the account holder to vet the ads being put up. I'm not disputing any of this but I feel like this is common sense when dealing with strangers. I do appreciate the videos and articles you've linked. Not sure why you have so much experience in this field but not everyone is trying to run a money mule operation.

Exactly, and whoever works for him can verify what's happening on their account.
Because people who are desperate and young might end up getting involved in something illegal. This is where it starts.

Watch this video, where some scammers would hire money mules in a similar fashion on facebook, snapchat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfgbZ5wJszs

If this guy runs an illegal ad on your account, then the police will catch you. This is why he needs to provide something public or verify his identity(through video chat and valid government ID) to whoever works for him.

Let's assume that I'm interested in working for you and you share the business plan with me. What's stopping me from coming back to this thread and positing it all for others to see? I'm an independent contractor, there's no NDA, I can reveal whatever I want.

Why won't you just say it here and be done with the charade? People won't suspect you of advertising anything illegal and you will attract more potential partners.

This guy has excuses for everything
Doesn't want to verify his identity to his own clients lol

I am guessing he's doing something very illegal(probably selling guns or even drugs) or may be phishing bank logins. These kinds of activities will land you in jail for a very very long time. Take care everyone.

Yeah, you're right. Using someone elses card to run my business' campaign is a bit unorthodox. As others have mentioned, using a debit card from a new checking account with a small amount is a fine way to counter this. However, Google charges in batches of $350 and we send the first payment before the ad is even running to help build trust.


That's not at all what I said. I said there is of course the inherent risk of the ad account being suspended but this is a possibility when running ANY campaign on a new account. In the event this did happen, the ad account would not be able to run similar campaigns to mine. Running a different campaign would more than likely start running, assuming billing is valid.

We don't need to reveal anything more than we already have. Those that choose to work with us are free to ask any questions they like and receive payments from our business PayPal... Revealing what agency is circumventing Google's policies may not be the smartest idea for us.


Yeah, this would work fine for us assuming you can get our payment transferred within a few days so no payments get declined. Google tends to ban accounts with virtual cards like Brex & Privacy because people abuse the free $350 Google initially provides before charging the payment on file.

 I will try it to see how it goes , send me info here email [email protected] with details.

It’s simple, use a debit card and just load an amount which the campaign needs so that you can’t be charge with unnecessary amount if this deal become shady. There many online wallet that offer a quick debit card that will useful on scenario like this. It’s really absurd to connect a debit card on business like this.

I’m just wondering if we will setup the payment method using our card. So it means OP will send the  payment budget in advance for the marketing? Because no one will gonna use there own money for the initial payment for the ads.

This is a post about your service. You can keep on trying to make it personal, but your petty tricks won't work on me.

You have yourself stated, that whoever works with will never be able to access google ads.
You should include it in your post. Until you do, I would call this a scam. Because this is  huge risk that your clients are going to take and they have to be aware of this fact.
You also need to prove your identity with your clients, in case of any legal implicationa down the line.
Since you are using their identity to advertise "your" business. This is another risk, which supersedes the previous one. And may probably destroy someone's life(since you wouldn't disclose anything publicly that can be verified).

Anyhow, I can't enfore these two things. But whoever works with you, will hopefully read my post and will take necessary precautions.

I've said the need to use a credit or debit card. Yes, you don't need the actual card and its details but you need someone to use their own for paying your ads. Just like the concern of the others, there could be something go wrong with the use of others' cards. Anyway, I've only shared what I happen to experience before, and good luck to your ad and whoever will accept it.

I don't need to disclose my niche to you to advertise. I'm sorry if I wasn't clear but all I need to say is these are whitehat campaigns and if that changes when I'm setting up the campaign then sure I'm a scammer.

The lack of professionalism is absurd and once again that leads me to believe you had a very rough time with Google Ads. Instead of trying to gatekeep, re-read a few of my posts. Maybe you learn a thing or two I wish you luck on your internet marketing journey.

That's funny because you want to advertise this product  

I stand with my conclusions.
Till now, you fail to disprove any of the points that I have raised  

Good luck scammer

Then simply move on? You've made it very clear that those considering working with us should be apprehensive. I don't disagree because we're on an internet forum hiring complete strangers, "anonymous" as you have put. I don't know why you keep mentioning "legal trouble" though, are you working for Google?

I'm not going to mention my product or service aside from the fact we've got a number of clients and in-house whitehat e-commerce campaigns that need to be setup. If this is different when it comes time to set this campaign up then they're free to stop working with us.

I give zero shits about google. I am concerned about users who might end up in your scheme and face consequences because they weren't aware of the risks beforehand.
 
I have talked to definevalue(check my first post on this thread) on telegram in the past when they were looking to start their own business. They are a good person(and I hope they think the same about me).
My posts are meant as a warning for them and other users like him.

These are the problems with your offer:

• You fail to mention your product or keyword until now. Someone with a legit business would have done so in their original post. You are looking for an advertisement right? Why be so private then?
• If there's no predetermined business or keyword, then you can abuse their accounts and probably run ads on any keywords at any time. Possibly landing them in legal trouble too.

Until now you have written 1000+ words with zero mentions about what your business is about   This fact alone cements my belief about your business being a blackhat and probably very illegal.

Sure. Google loves suspending people for no reason. And not because someone really broke their ToS. And now the same person is looking for new accounts while being anonymous too. And whoever applies to your scheme, will get their accounts banned too(which you fail to mention in your OP).

I am not the one enticing people and use their accounts to abuse google ads (There's still a chance that they may end up in legal trouble since we don't know what your product or keyword is).
This isn't called being successful kiddo. It's called being a conman, Know your words.

You haven't setup a new campaign recently then... Ever since June, even our standard one campaign lead-gen/e-commerce campaigns are being suspended. Of course they come back on appeal when someone actually reviews the campaign.

What's interesting to me is the fact you continue to respond here. Sure, anyone on a forum should be weary of anyone promising money and you made that clear. So why are you still here... That's the only reason I bring up your lack of success.

I'm not going to keep entertaining these posts, however to anyone interested who currently runs ads. Read the posts further up, you can still run ads assuming you're not running my exact campaigns with my specific keywords. I'd love for someone with a better understanding of adwords than this guy to chime in here.

Nt. Google never fires a wrongful suspension.
This excuse may work with your naive clients ofc.

Idk why you keep on bringing what I may or may not have done. This is a topic about your service and not my biography lol


Good luck finding anyone. Since you have agreed yourself that whoever enrolls may never be able to use google adwords.

Yes, why not? Why ask strangers to do that for you and not your own family and friends?
Unless you are running maaaany accounts for same product, which wouldn't make sense because like I already said:  You would  be driving CPC by competing with yourself.
Why not just increase cpc or budget on your own account. Your logic and answer make no sense.

So we aren't just advertising on Bitcointalk. We've got plenty of campaigns that need to be setup, that's why we're branching outside of the agency.

Again if we were to setup a new LLC and everything that's required to run ads, that still doesn't guarantee that Google won't see whats happening. Once they ban one campaign, they don't want you creating others for the same business, website, keywords etc.

If you have a profitable product on a specific vertical and you want to scale it, why not try running ads with your friends or family like you said? Most of these profitable niches come with seasonality so don't you wanna squeeze every bit of profit from them before that trend slows down? It sounds like you tried to do exactly what we're doing but weren't successful....



Sure, there's no denying there's a risk of the ad account getting suspended. I can't say this is too common the way we do it but there is always the risk. Even if you're running a fully legitimate campaign on Google nowadays, you've still got a high chance of random AI misfire suspension...

Our business or the website being advertised does NOT violate Google TOS. However, running multiple ads for one product falls under gaining an "unfair competitive advantage" and this is against Google TOS.

$20/daily for someone who will never use Google Ads is pretty good. Anymore than this and we won't be profitable.



I think you're misunderstanding something. We don't need a credit/debit card. You just need to have a payment method to setup inside Google Ads. This is done on your own computer. We're not asking for your credit card details....


Glad you asked. So our taxes are a little more complicated. You'd be working as an independent contractor meaning we don't need to request any personal information and you'd be responsible for filing your own taxes. Since you won't be receiving the profit from the shop, you'll just be taxed on the $20/day and you file this like you would normally.

What if the candidate you choose has to pay taxes on the money they earned? You going to pay the taxes for them as well? Just curious since everything is pretty much kyc these days.

There's already a red flag why there's a need to use a credit or debit card. I've applied for this type of marketing before and I was tricked and fooled.
I even submitted my ID for this type of task. I was young during that time and haven't realized that my identities were being used for the campaign of that company.

banning from Google AdWords services is a sufficient reason to distance yourself from this offer. It's not worth $20.
maybe you could give a closer example here, which type of ad it is (I doubt that someone will steal such a risky idea from you) and it would remove doubts that there is no legal problem besides everything.


OP, himself wrote that there is a great risk to be sanctioned by Google because the whole business is against their TOS. I'd say he was just extenuating, I would say it is 100% certain that the ban will happen.

I have said my piece.
If I was running a business on google ads, then I would reach out to my friends and family & would rather pay them 20 USD daily for their account.
They would be happy to help expand my business and in return earn some passive income too.
Or I would set up an LLC(new business) in a different state under my name & ownership. And probably it won't even break google's terms since it's a new business(still DYOR). There are many ways to do this.

Personally, I would never create multiple accounts. Since one account on all platforms has always been enough for me.
I can raise CPC, to get a better placement or offer better service. Or branch to some other platform to advertise my product.

But when a new account comes offering 20 USD via cryptocurrency to use their google account for running an ad, it sure as hell doesn't look good given how many scams run on google ads.

To start, as mentioned in the thread, these aren't really blackhat ads. We are using blackhat techniques to run multiple ads but the campaigns themselves are selling merchandise for a popular crypto platform. (All designs are done in house and no trademark/copyright is being infringed on)

Double serving on Google will not land you in legal trouble... Even if we were running ads infringing on trademark/copyright, Google would ban the account and that would be that.


That's correct, we don't require anyone to use their own ad account currently running ads. You'd create a new one for this task and if you're currently running ads then we could create an MCC account and this would ensure that if the time came that Google noticed the ads and banned the account, it wouldn't affect the other accounts. Google won't ban an agency for running ads for a client that's doubleserving. The agency would have no way to know this.


That's not entirely true. We're outsourcing because if we setup an ad account under our MCC to run ads for the same product on the same keywords then yes we risk our MCC getting banned because it's clear to Google what we're doing.

If anyone running ads with us has a problem with BTC payments, we offer PayPal as well. We only offered BTC because of where we are currently.

As far as keywords go, we setup the account together so they see exactly what keywords are being added. And as mentioned previously, the account stays under their Google, we won't have any access as that defeats the whole purpose of this exercise.

That's an interesting read but I highly doubt they were paying $20/day to run ads when they can create the ads themselves.


So this is an interesting point. Initially this is what I thought as well. Just raise the budget and drown out the competitors (5-10% is nothing though) but this doesn't work the way you think. Google has a way of diminishing returns as you raise your budget. This is because they artifically raise the CPC because of the other ads using auto bidding.

Case B is exactly what we're doing and I'll let you in on a secret. Google prioritizes results for smaller ads because naturally they need the smaller advertisers to have good results in an effort to get them to spend more. By creating multiple ads, we're driving the CPC up yes but not nearly as much as we would by raising the budget drastically on a single ad. In addition to cheaper clicks, think about the competition when you have multiple ads spending $100/day. Their impression share will drop by around 20% for every ad that goes up and the only way to compete is to raise their CPC to a level that isn't sustainable because the niche we're in (e-commerce), there's only so much room for marketing.

To me, it sounds like you've been banned in the past and dealt with having multiple accounts banned. Next time you're having this trouble, I would say to try setting up a campaign in a completely different niche and watch as it starts running. Google can't differentiate from regular advertisers and agencies and those in between (Fiverr/Upwork freelancers). Sure, they won't let you create new accounts for your business but other business in different niches they will let run no problem.

I only mention this because worst case, our ads get detected as double serving and they ban the account. If you wanted to use Google Ads in the future, you can! Unless you're trying to run a campaign similiar to ours.

Yes, there are.

if OP's use case is genuine, and they are being truthful then let's talk about it a little.
From their post, they want multiple accounts to put multiple advertisements on one keyword. This means that the keyword is competitive (because there won't be any need if the keyword wasn't competitive, to begin with).

Which case would be more beneficial to drive more profit ?

Case A: Increasing the budget by 5~10% to get more clicks and a higher ranking for a good CTR on an already established ad with learned data on google's side. Focussing on improving your site's conversion rate.

Case B: Creating new websites for each new account, managing those websites, and managing those accounts just to compete with your ad to drive the CPC even higher + making each ad account go through the learning phase(it takes time for any ad to reach an optimal level, since google AdWords takes time to learn about your ad's behavior) which won't give you the same conversion in the beginning and you will probably lose money in the beginning  


or, as I said earlier,  Case C: They are definitely running blackhat ads.

Appreciate the warning, but there are lots of ways to avoid that (wont mention any of those).

And yeah, it's too risky and horrible act, yet lots of people did it already so it's up to them risking their accounts since the OP mentioned the risks of doing things against some service's TOS.

A Dummy account won't protect you. Google can still connect you. Once you get banned on one account, you can't run any ads in the future on any of your accounts ever. This is probably why OP is outsourcing and wants someone else's account to run their ads.

And it's pretty much obvious that they want to run blackhat or illegal ads(paying through anonymous channel to run ads on someone else's identity without proving their own).

It's very easy to exploit someone who isn't aware of the downsides. I hope that my post will act as a warning.

If OP isn't running blackhat, then I request Op to post their advertising keywords publicly(only the keywords).
And if someone wants to participate in this, make sure that the OP doesn't change their keyword on your account(this can easily be tracked from account history), and isn't different from what's posted here or add new keywords. This is the only safe way.

Else you are at risk of getting into legal trouble
https://www.hackread.com/crooks-steal-28m-in-crypto-using-google-adwords-spoofed-domains/

I dont know how it was categorized a blackhat ads by you, but if anyone who wants to work with OP can use a dummy google account to make google ad campaign offered by the OP, then it easy to say that it's a risk-free.
I just think its a too good to be true daily offer for a one time task.

Please be wary.

They will definitely run blackhat ads, which will land you in legal trouble.
And you will probably be suspended from using google ads ever again for life.

It's not worth risking your rep with google(since google adwords can be an invaluable tool if you ever start your own business) and credit for  20 dollars.

Hi, thanks for your interest.

So we aren't looking for accounts with attached cards. We can and do create multiple accounts with our own cards however this only works for 1 campaign per product. If we setup multiple accounts under our own cards to advertise the same product, they won't run for longer than a week before Google realizes we're gaining an "unfair competitive advantage".

Second, again we aren't looking for direct account access, the account would remain under you and you'd forward us the requested metrics and make a few changes once a week.

There are 4 steps to creating an ad account. The first three are to setup the campaign and we'll do that together. Last step is payments and that's when you're on your own.

Let me know if you have any further questions, thanks!

I just made a new LLC so i'll gladly do it for ya send me a DM looking forward transacting!

Same question as the guy above me why do you need to pay someone 20$ for something you can do yourself ?

I have a bad feeling about this..

I have a little question, why are you looking for others to give you an account with attached credit/debit cards? Why you can't create multiple accounts and use your own cards? Is Google preventing you to create an adward account? Giving account access is quite dangerous and looks fishy to me. If you want just run ads and show you proof then it's reasonable, but Giving account access after adding a payment method is dangerous.

Hi, we are looking for help double serving on a few crypto related e-commerce campaigns. You don't need to know anything about Google Ads, although it wouldn't hurt having a little experience. Yes, it's against Google TOS to run multiple campaigns for the same product but if we do it this way, there's little risk to either of our ad accounts.

Requirements:
- PC with stable internet connection for campaign setup.
- Credit or debit card to pay Google.
- Bitcoin wallet or PayPal to receive our payments.

You will host an ad campaign that we manage/configure for a client, in return for $20 daily just for letting us use your account. This campaign will spend a predefined amount so your first payment will consist of this + the $20 paid before the ad starts running.

You won't be asked for any of your information as I will leave that up to you to setup with Google.
If you have any questions, feel free to leave them below.