Topic: PayPal Disputes (Read 1523 times)

No, I'm not an Indian, and I don't know what the hell that would have to do with having to do PayPal transactions.


Yup! Really relieved, haha. Goes to show that being proactive will get you somewhere. Never gonna let this happen again

Happy it worked out for you in the end This is probably the only happy ending I have read of a seller winning over a scamming buyer in paypal dispute. Maybe years of buyer fraud has taught paypal something and now they at least listen to sellers.

OMG, U AN INDIAN ?. simply dont do transactions with paypal

That's good to hear!

PayPal is notorious for throwing accounts into negative balances over trivial things.

I kept bugging them. I think I made like 10 calls in the course of an afternoon, just updating them with more information about the case and asking about how to strengthen the case. I sent screenshots of my attempts to establish communication with the buyer, who didn't respond, and a tracking number of a physical good shipped to the given address, which was a false address. Also made a good point by saying that it made no sense that he would dispute the transaction over a month after the transaction.

im happy to hear that they where obviously very very stupid scammers, and paypal must have found something to back up both your claim and paypals.. anyway hope youve put it down in the memo book as a hard lesson learnt and consider yourself lucky most people dont win cases and even few win them withing 6 months.

I was able to get both of the claims cleared in my favor! Victory!!! Fuck those people that try to scam their money back.

Paypal makes me so frustrated sometimes but im tempted to continue operating there because of the vast amount of offers you can find here, and the more you operate, the more "experience/reputation points" which i need to sell shit.

So, I'm located in the US. I understand that they'd harass me, and that they'd hire a collection agency; is there anything that they can do to me? I've heard they're not legally capable of repossession/withdrawing from my account without my permission. I feel like a dumbass for making the transactions in the first place, having read about how unreliable and shitty PayPal is the following week. I don't have the $800 to pay though; I'm a broke college student. I'm not going to move in order to avoid payment lol; I attached my real SSN to my account as well, because I'm utterly st00pid.

depending on the collectors they use. the ones in the UK are some of the most decent guys iv ever delt with and i even got them to team up with me against paypal XD

but most of the time they will harass you via email and phone for 3 months then they will refer it to a collection agency, now depending on the agency you could send them all the proof you have of the transaction and get them to keep referring it back to paypal, this will buy you a month each time as paypal are both useless and not expecting the collection agency to send files to them for review, the odds are the agency will come back and ask for the money again if paypal fail to respond or tell them the case is closed and they want the money. at this point id take the hit but you can always take it to you small local courts as bitcoin is legit (depending where you are) and the courts will more than likely side with you especial in the EU and UK. if its going to cost money then id recommend just paying up as for $800 its just a hassle.

id suggest getting revenge but if it is a hacked account or a fake account you could end up picking on some poor person who knows nothing about it. as people seem to inherently be retarded and use the same password for everything (yes im talking to you and you know who you are and yes its ment to be an insult) people just dont think about passwords getting compromised or hacked and there life taking a turn down shit road.

anyhow this is all what id do and is only my advice. you could aslo move and make paypal chase the money after a year or so they normally give up

Paypal likes to screw the seller and reward the buyer, Hopefully you get your money back man but I wouldn't bet on it.
It's scary to sell things online these days with all the chargebacks.
Good luck dude.

I hate to tell you this, Paypal seem to always side with the buyer (the side who spent the $). Regardless how much proof you have! I had transaction pics, even messages on eBay where the buyer confirmed she had received the item and also left me positive feedback. She pretended that the accounts had been hacked, very unlikely... so someone hacked her paypal, ebay and email address lol, sure! After this scammer abused paypal's preference to always side with the buyer she also removed her account on eBay after I contacted her every day to tell her what a piece of shit she was   She had scammed a lot of other people who I had been in contact with and some of them got their money back by threatening to drag her to small claims court (think it was called something like that). But since she was in the US (Detroit) and I'm not even in America, I really couldn't do anything.

If I was you I'd look into if can take that person to court than threaten them to do so unless they pay for what they bought.

So they would actually send collectors?

I had good experience with Paypal.
I was scammed from one Internet company and because I paid through Paypal I started dispute and claim.
After 30 days I received refund from Paypal, so I'm grateful to them.
Of course, this is my experience as buyer, I don't have experience as seller.

Simple solution is stay away from paypal. Paypal is very unpredictable. They can freeze your account anytime.

Tiss what I said

Paypal sided with buyer because the law is sided with buyer. They are just doing what the law demand of them.

I have had Paypal send me to collections.  I took them to court and collected the lost judgement and had them pay $2000 towards reputation/defamation.  Good times.

It's really quite sad that they always side with the buyers. It makes it so you're basically guaranteed to get ripped off as a seller.

That's one of the positives of cryptocurrency's, as a seller you can hold full confidence in your buyer because it's a one-way transaction.

I still think in the future we'll see the emergence of processors that have escrow-type services with cryptocurrency, but that would have a downside where, like paypal, the buyer is always considered right.

Best to steer clear of paypal.

if you are the seller, you lose.

Because the dollars displayed on PayPal's website are actually IOUs, they can display any number they want i.e this is how fractional reserve banking works.

If you can't produce a USPS proof of delivery like a tracking number you can't usually win at paypal

Their whole system demands proof of delivery

Then if you win with Paypal, they can still win with their own credit card company or bank

But then paypal usually eats it after they say you won

So paypal has a cost of risk in any transaction and it's why they want physical goods with proof of delivery or tracking numbers

If all you are virtual deliveries they will eventually close you down and freeze dough, it's why btc has such huge potential

The more paypal and merchant accounts get closed and frozen the more merchants look at btc

i only use paypal when i sell small values of anything less then $100.

Too much bs with paypal, and freezing funds. I would try to contact the person who is disputing, then contact paypal and try to win your case.

Some cases can close if you have a winning substantial proof.

I can't agree more

I've been chargeback scammed twice so far, one on ebay (a while ago) and one selling bitcoin for paypal. Paypal is the worse thing for sellers.

As already stated, you'll just go in the red for that amount and they'll send their debt collectors after you (or at least threaten to). Did you make the sale through eBay or was outside of it?

because by law they cant take money out of a private account without your permission. guys probably done the right thing and not set up a direct debit so paypal have to ask permission to take funds from either card or bank account. also another reason not to set up direct debits

How can your balance be negative? That's very unprofessional on Paypal's part

if you loose then you owe paypal $800 and if you dont pay they send collectors around... why do you think so many people on here refuse to use paypal?
most of the time paypal side with the buyer full stop. buyers always right and sellers always wrong. all depends what you sold and how you sold it, if you sold bitcoins without sending a physical item then your pretty much screwed its taken me 2 years to win a case over $30 and 1000s of emails

Does anyone know what could happen if a PayPal disputes sides with the buyer instead of the seller, and the account balance goes into the negatives? Some mofo is trying to disputes two transactions, and now my balance is ~-$800.