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Quote from: adaseb on March 07, 2023, 12:24:16 AM

I think Nvidia wanted to be the next Apple and Apple was the only one that could pull off selling overpriced hardware and get away with it.

They assumed that people would overpay for the brand and felt confident that their sales wouldn’t slow. But this clearly isn’t the case. It doesn’t make sense charging this much for mid to high end GPUs. I remember back in 2013-2014 the top GPU was the r9 290 and it retailed at like $400 which was higher than in the past but not a huge jump. Now the top GPU is basically quadruple that.

But Nvidia doesn't make most of the graphics cards. The GPU is produced by its partners who buy Nvidia video chips.
Then the company needs to change its policy and produce graphics cards on its own.
But I do not think that the company earns a lot from the sale of video chips

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I think Nvidia wanted to be the next Apple and Apple was the only one that could pull off selling overpriced hardware and get away with it.

They assumed that people would overpay for the brand and felt confident that their sales wouldn’t slow. But this clearly isn’t the case. It doesn’t make sense charging this much for mid to high end GPUs. I remember back in 2013-2014 the top GPU was the r9 290 and it retailed at like $400 which was higher than in the past but not a huge jump. Now the top GPU is basically quadruple that.

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Quote from: adaseb on March 06, 2023, 12:52:07 AM

I don’t think it’s only because ETH went POS and you can’t mine anymore. I think it’s the crazy high prices that these GPUs cost. Most gamers are just keeping their current GPUs or buying some second hand from some miners.

Nvidia assumed that since many paid high prices last year for GPUs that the trend would continue forever. However most of those were bought by miners who knew they could pull a profit. Now that times have changed they need to adjust their margins and lower their prices. You go to a computer store and there are tons and tons of GPUs and nobody is buying them.

It's mostly ETH, but crazy hardware prices and ramped up electricity costs played their part too.

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I don’t think it’s only because ETH went POS and you can’t mine anymore. I think it’s the crazy high prices that these GPUs cost. Most gamers are just keeping their current GPUs or buying some second hand from some miners.

Nvidia assumed that since many paid high prices last year for GPUs that the trend would continue forever. However most of those were bought by miners who knew they could pull a profit. Now that times have changed they need to adjust their margins and lower their prices. You go to a computer store and there are tons and tons of GPUs and nobody is buying them.

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with eth gone its just not worth mining.im now at 20% of my miners up. mining kaspa but who knows how things with turn out.
gamers don't want to buy over priced nvidia cards.

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Quote from: Dowper_ on March 03, 2023, 11:42:50 AM

A also have a lot of RX 470, RX 570, RX 5700, but I will not sell them now. Maybe when they are profitable again, the prices of these gpus will be a lot higher.

There will be competition from newer GPUs though? Do you think those GPUs will sell for a decent amount if the new generation is just $50-$100 more expensive? Judging from how AMD keep making their newest card cheaper, secondhand last generation card will definitely get cheaper too. If the hash/profit ratio is not better, I'm assuming buying the new card would be better no? Don't know about Nvidia though, I don't see them lowering their price anytime soon, judging from how they keep making new $1k cards even after their sharp decline in GPU revenue.

Quote from: swogerino on March 03, 2023, 08:58:24 AM

No new farms are opening up and no new enthusiast home miners are on the increase,quite contrary they are on a big decrease and as such is only natural for us to see such dropping numbers for GPU-s right now and for the foreseeable future.

For Nvidia, I also think their price turns off a lot of gamers, especially the lower to midrange segment. The performance increase doesn't really justify an upgrade from the last gen, it would be stupid to buy them if they are looking strictly for value. Personally, I'll stick with my 3060 TI for the foreseeable future if gaming is my purpose.

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Quote from: FP91G on March 05, 2023, 04:23:06 AM

Quote from: ccplz on March 04, 2023, 06:45:08 PM

Quote from: FP91G on March 04, 2023, 07:31:46 AM

Quote from: Dowper_ on March 03, 2023, 11:42:50 AM

A also have a lot of RX 470, RX 570, RX 5700, but I will not sell them now. Maybe when they are profitable again, the prices of these gpus will be a lot higher.

look at the ASIC Bitmain Antminer E9 Pro 3680 MH/s 2,200W
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/killer-of-old-video-cards-from-bitmain-5438028
Video cards RX 470, RX 570 will probably no longer be profitable, or they will bring very little income. I recently sold it for 80-110 dollars for 8 GB. RX 5700 is a more modern video card, I would not sell it.

well yeah, surely not for ethash, but cards can still be relevant for other algos. rvn, nexa and radiant have no asics so far as far as i know.
still, I would get rid of those rx 470s/570s. I would keep the 5700s though

Let's see the calculator
https://hashrate.no/gpus/570
With free electricity, you will earn $ 300 per month from 100 video cards, and you will spend 8-12 kilowatts per hour.
With such opportunities, it is better to sell the GPU and buy asics.

as I said, can still be relevant, eventually. which is why I also said you should just sell the much less efficient 470s/570s and keep the 5700s

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Quote from: ccplz on March 04, 2023, 06:45:08 PM

Quote from: FP91G on March 04, 2023, 07:31:46 AM

Quote from: Dowper_ on March 03, 2023, 11:42:50 AM

A also have a lot of RX 470, RX 570, RX 5700, but I will not sell them now. Maybe when they are profitable again, the prices of these gpus will be a lot higher.

look at the ASIC Bitmain Antminer E9 Pro 3680 MH/s 2,200W
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/killer-of-old-video-cards-from-bitmain-5438028
Video cards RX 470, RX 570 will probably no longer be profitable, or they will bring very little income. I recently sold it for 80-110 dollars for 8 GB. RX 5700 is a more modern video card, I would not sell it.

well yeah, surely not for ethash, but cards can still be relevant for other algos. rvn, nexa and radiant have no asics so far as far as i know.
still, I would get rid of those rx 470s/570s. I would keep the 5700s though

Let's see the calculator
https://hashrate.no/gpus/570
With free electricity, you will earn $ 300 per month from 100 video cards, and you will spend 8-12 kilowatts per hour.
With such opportunities, it is better to sell the GPU and buy asics.

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Quote from: FP91G on March 04, 2023, 07:31:46 AM

Quote from: Dowper_ on March 03, 2023, 11:42:50 AM

A also have a lot of RX 470, RX 570, RX 5700, but I will not sell them now. Maybe when they are profitable again, the prices of these gpus will be a lot higher.

look at the ASIC Bitmain Antminer E9 Pro 3680 MH/s 2,200W
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/killer-of-old-video-cards-from-bitmain-5438028
Video cards RX 470, RX 570 will probably no longer be profitable, or they will bring very little income. I recently sold it for 80-110 dollars for 8 GB. RX 5700 is a more modern video card, I would not sell it.

well yeah, surely not for ethash, but cards can still be relevant for other algos. rvn, nexa and radiant have no asics so far as far as i know.
still, I would get rid of those rx 470s/570s. I would keep the 5700s though

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Quote from: Dowper_ on March 03, 2023, 11:42:50 AM

A also have a lot of RX 470, RX 570, RX 5700, but I will not sell them now. Maybe when they are profitable again, the prices of these gpus will be a lot higher.

look at the ASIC Bitmain Antminer E9 Pro 3680 MH/s 2,200W
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/killer-of-old-video-cards-from-bitmain-5438028
Video cards RX 470, RX 570 will probably no longer be profitable, or they will bring very little income. I recently sold it for 80-110 dollars for 8 GB. RX 5700 is a more modern video card, I would not sell it.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on March 03, 2023, 10:49:16 AM

Quote from: swogerino on March 03, 2023, 08:58:24 AM

Quote from: FP91G on March 03, 2023, 05:32:16 AM

PC GPU shipments decreased -15.4% sequentially from last quarter and -38% year to year.

TIBURON, Calif. — Jon Peddie Research reports that the growth of the global PC-based graphics processor unit (GPU) market reached 64.2 million units in Q4’22 and PC CPU shipments decreased by -35% year over year. Overall, GPUs will have a compound annual growth rate of 0.19% during 2022–2026 and reach an installed base of 3,013 million units at the end of the forecast period. Over the next five years, the penetration of discrete GPUs (dGPUs) in PCs will grow to reach a level of 32%.
https://financialpost.com/pmn/press-releases-pmn/business-wire-news-releases-pmn/pc-gpu-shipments-decreased-15-4-sequentially-from-last-quarter-and-38-year-to-year

Of course it will shrink and for the upcoming years even more if no new coin from the actual ones that we are mining does not increase exponentially in value as to substitute the Ethereum mining we used to do until September 2022.

A lot of such cards were bought by big farms for mining which most likely they have shut down operations or at least shrink-ed a lot of their quantities.No new farms are opening up and no new enthusiast home miners are on the increase,quite contrary they are on a big decrease and as such is only natural for us to see such dropping numbers for GPU-s right now and for the foreseeable future.

so Kawpow / Raven needs to 3x in price

so raven is worth 2.7 cents and the cap is 330 million.

seems to me a 1 billion pump to the cap fixes gpu mining.

So question is when will nvidia and amd start to buy a coin to jack the price to make it worth mining.

My guess is not yet.

My belief is they are pissed at Mr V and want to see it crash and burn 🔥.

I sold 2000 worth of rx 480 1080ti and rx 5700 xt

I will sell more on ebay next month.

A also have a lot of RX 470, RX 570, RX 5700, but I will not sell them now. Maybe when they are profitable again, the prices of these gpus will be a lot higher.

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Quote from: swogerino on March 03, 2023, 08:58:24 AM

Quote from: FP91G on March 03, 2023, 05:32:16 AM

PC GPU shipments decreased -15.4% sequentially from last quarter and -38% year to year.

TIBURON, Calif. — Jon Peddie Research reports that the growth of the global PC-based graphics processor unit (GPU) market reached 64.2 million units in Q4’22 and PC CPU shipments decreased by -35% year over year. Overall, GPUs will have a compound annual growth rate of 0.19% during 2022–2026 and reach an installed base of 3,013 million units at the end of the forecast period. Over the next five years, the penetration of discrete GPUs (dGPUs) in PCs will grow to reach a level of 32%.
https://financialpost.com/pmn/press-releases-pmn/business-wire-news-releases-pmn/pc-gpu-shipments-decreased-15-4-sequentially-from-last-quarter-and-38-year-to-year

Of course it will shrink and for the upcoming years even more if no new coin from the actual ones that we are mining does not increase exponentially in value as to substitute the Ethereum mining we used to do until September 2022.

A lot of such cards were bought by big farms for mining which most likely they have shut down operations or at least shrink-ed a lot of their quantities.No new farms are opening up and no new enthusiast home miners are on the increase,quite contrary they are on a big decrease and as such is only natural for us to see such dropping numbers for GPU-s right now and for the foreseeable future.

so Kawpow / Raven needs to 3x in price

so raven is worth 2.7 cents and the cap is 330 million.

seems to me a 1 billion pump to the cap fixes gpu mining.

So question is when will nvidia and amd start to buy a coin to jack the price to make it worth mining.

My guess is not yet.

My belief is they are pissed at Mr V and want to see it crash and burn 🔥.

I sold 2000 worth of rx 480 1080ti and rx 5700 xt

I will sell more on ebay next month.

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Quote from: FP91G on March 03, 2023, 05:32:16 AM

PC GPU shipments decreased -15.4% sequentially from last quarter and -38% year to year.

TIBURON, Calif. — Jon Peddie Research reports that the growth of the global PC-based graphics processor unit (GPU) market reached 64.2 million units in Q4’22 and PC CPU shipments decreased by -35% year over year. Overall, GPUs will have a compound annual growth rate of 0.19% during 2022–2026 and reach an installed base of 3,013 million units at the end of the forecast period. Over the next five years, the penetration of discrete GPUs (dGPUs) in PCs will grow to reach a level of 32%.
https://financialpost.com/pmn/press-releases-pmn/business-wire-news-releases-pmn/pc-gpu-shipments-decreased-15-4-sequentially-from-last-quarter-and-38-year-to-year

Of course it will shrink and for the upcoming years even more if no new coin from the actual ones that we are mining does not increase exponentially in value as to substitute the Ethereum mining we used to do until September 2022.

A lot of such cards were bought by big farms for mining which most likely they have shut down operations or at least shrink-ed a lot of their quantities.No new farms are opening up and no new enthusiast home miners are on the increase,quite contrary they are on a big decrease and as such is only natural for us to see such dropping numbers for GPU-s right now and for the foreseeable future.

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PC GPU shipments decreased -15.4% sequentially from last quarter and -38% year to year.

TIBURON, Calif. — Jon Peddie Research reports that the growth of the global PC-based graphics processor unit (GPU) market reached 64.2 million units in Q4’22 and PC CPU shipments decreased by -35% year over year. Overall, GPUs will have a compound annual growth rate of 0.19% during 2022–2026 and reach an installed base of 3,013 million units at the end of the forecast period. Over the next five years, the penetration of discrete GPUs (dGPUs) in PCs will grow to reach a level of 32%.
https://financialpost.com/pmn/press-releases-pmn/business-wire-news-releases-pmn/pc-gpu-shipments-decreased-15-4-sequentially-from-last-quarter-and-38-year-to-year

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