Topic: Pending transaction.. (Read 554 times)

Okay sometimes it is just a coincidence.

I agree with you if this is a smaller sportsbook because I've ran into those instances before where I was always shorted on payouts.  And of course they cited on bitcoin price fluctuation.     But I don't believe this sportsbook did this intentionally.  I've played with them for a very long time and had many payouts....some payouts were much larger than this one and never a problem.   So, I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt. 
I prefer not to say the name of the sportsbook because I'm still an active player there with a very high balance.   
   

hmm you got money.

what were the terms of the bet.?

and when was the day you won?

I would never use that sports book again.

Here is why.

They paid you with a low fee on purpose.

They used an RBF style wallet to double spend and send the coin

To a wallet they own.

Ten days later they pay you the cash amount not the original btc amount.



Let me try to make it clear rbf allows a fee to get bumped.


Btc is 50 grand I owe you 5000.

So I pay 0.1 and a small fee like 0.00001


Fees are way higher like 0.0001


It gets stuck.

I look and see in three days that btc is now 65000.

So the coin I sent  is worth  6500.

I double spend and do a large fee sending the 0.1 to me with a fee of 0.0002 my cost is 10 bucks. to do this. I send the coin to a wallet I own.

 I still owe 5000 to you .  but I send 0.077 btc and a a fee of 0.0002

I pocket 0.023 coin but I hand to pay about 0.0004 in fees to do this so I net

0.0226 btc  profit.


and here is the kicker.

he paid 0.10001 to to start low fee never going to clear.

btc drops to 35000k. he bumps the fee with rbf feature say 0.0002 and you get only  0.1 btc now worth only 3500



So he can’t lose and you get fucked if it shifts way up or way done.

it it goes prefect sides ways you need to scream and say bump the fee.


that bookie is very likely hedging and playing the game above.

find someone else.


if you could tell us the sportsbooks url maybe no one should use them at all.

I appreciate everyone's help.  I've learned a lot from you guys.   They just fixed the issue and paid me a few minutes ago.   I'm unlucky because the payout from 10 days ago was for .223 btc , but since the price of bitcoin has gone up  so it's .192 btc today...lost out about $1300.  But I'm just glad I got paid. 

No. That wasn't pinkfloyd's fault.
According to what pinkfloyd said, he/she requested a withdrawal to bc1q6wk6ld89e7k2ezma0wqxeqh4awxth68w0z5u9r and the following transaction was made to process that.

0a17046452462d68882f4cda2007d17a5a17029336e8ef1cbe06599ae377b927

But the same coins were spent in other transactions and that transaction is now invalid.

You don't really need much technical knowledge on how cryptocurrencies work to explain your problem to them.
I assume the transaction ID you mentioned in one of your previous posts is the one the sportsbook gave to you and it's supposed to be the id of the withdrawal transaction, right?
Are you certain the address (the one you gave to them to recieve your withdrawal) is one of the two receipient addresses that appears on mempool.space?
If yes, then they did send you the coins and the problem is at your end.
if not then you need to contact them and tell them to give you the id of the transaction sending to your address.

Yeah, sure, I hope everything works out in your favor. Please do not hesitate to update us here on how thing worked out for you or not, and it would also be great to know what crypto sportsbook that is so that members can avoid it (that is, if they refuse to process for you your funds)

I spoke with them again and the customer rep said the processor is reviewing it...it's progress.   The invalid transaction was a good starting point.   

This should be the responsibility of the sportsbook, though (If you don't mind, what's the name of the sportsbook? I could help give you some guidelines on how to open a dispute.)
The point is, the Bitcoins never arrived to the wallet you had entered on withdrawal. They should be able to sort their mess if all you stated here is true.

Blockchain.com explorer shows the first invalid transaction containing your deposit address. That should be a good starting point for your argument.

I dont know much about the processor.  I can't contact them.   I can only talk to the sportsbook.   The problem is that it is showing the payout got processed on the sportsbook side and its very difficult trying to explain to them because as little i know about crypto i'm an expert compared to them.
  but I've asked them to ask the processor to review it.   

The inputs in the first transaction were spent in the second transaction and sent to two addresses that are not the same as the first address you might have entered when trying to withdraw, hence the zero balance in your wallet, so I suggest you contact the sportsbook about this error so that they rectify it.

Show them the address you wanted the funds to go to and where the funds have ended up.

Here is the second transaction; https://mempool.space/tx/94936255061c32136136b6d330a707dcabc31bdc5717b7a38afcc2c3324e822d

Do you know about the payment processor?

yes, the second address is mine.  I've contacted the sender, but it's not going anywhere.  They use a third party processor for payouts.

The transaction is no longer valid.

There were two receiving addresses in the transaction in question. bc1qyetavzj5a626hn9knws6v3feas2mjm54yck06x and bc1q6wk6ld89e7k2ezma0wqxeqh4awxth68w0z5u9r
One of these two addresses is owned by you. Right?

If so, you haven't received any fund and the only thing you can do now is to contact the sender and tell them the withdrawal transaction is not valid.

It's not a scam.  It's a payout from a sportsbook.   here's the transaction ID. 

0a17046452462d68882f4cda2007d17a5a17029336e8ef1cbe06599ae377b927

As I said in my previous post, it's possible that the replacement transaction has been made to a different address.
If the receiving address used in the replacement transaction doesn't belong to your wallet, it's normal that the transaction is not displayed in your wallet.

Do you know the sender? Maybe, you got scammed.


Yes, post your transaction ID.

the transanction mempool does show a replaced transaction, but my wallet doesn't show any history of it.     Can i post the transaction on here and have you guys take a look?

No, I didn't spend the money.   My receiving address shows zero on all lines "received" "sent" "balance", 

Your wallet balance is supposed to be updated as soon as your wallet knows about the incoming transaction.
Does the transaction mempool says it replaced your original unconfirmed transaction appears in your wallet's transaction history tab?
If not then the sender has bumped it and sent the coins to a different address. Are you sure you didn't spend those coins yourself?
On mempool check if the receiving address and the amount are the same as for the original transaction.

Note that it's possible to replace an unconfirmed transaction with a new one paying higher fee and sending the fund to a different address.
Check the replacement transaction on a block explorer and see if the receiving address is same as the replaced transaction.

If you did not double-spend the coins in a new transaction, in which the transaction is not replaced, you will still be able to see the unconfirmed or confirmed transaction. Check your transaction history on the wallet and see that no transaction was made unknowingly to you.

Yes, I understand that the once the sender increased the transaction fee the old transaction was invalid.   It's replaced by another transaction that got confirmed.   But the fund isn't in my wallet.   does it take a while for the fund to appear?

You mean you want to receive coins on Electrum, but it is unconfirmed, later you did not see the transaction? What would have caused that is that the transaction which you did not see again got replaced. Increasing the transaction fee will make the old transaction become invalid. I thought you know that already. Also a transaction can drop from mempool in a way the coin can be spent again in another transaction which can also cause it.

I got another question if someone could help me.   When I did the bump fee on the bluewallet, a new transaction was created and the old was gone.    I have another bitcoin transaction from last week that I didn't bump fee becausee I wasn't in a hurry to receive it.   I just checked that transaction and mempool shows that it has been replaced by another transaction with 13 confirmations.  Someone did a RBF.  I checked my wallet, the fund isn't there and pending transaction disappeared.    What happened to the fund that I'm supposed to receive?

Thank you Charles-Tim and thank you hosseinimr93.   

You can not use Electrum on iPhone, but you can use it on Android. If you need iPhone wallet that you can use child-pay-for-parent, you can download Bluewallet.

https://bluewallet.io/

Bluewallet indicates it as pump fee.

Yes.

Your transaction should have unconfirmed parent(s) and that's why it hasn't been confirmed yet.

The fee rate you should set for your CPFP transaction depends on the fee already paid for your unconfirmed transaction and its unconfirmed parent(s) and their (virtual) size.

I'm using exodus on my iphone and my balance doesn't include the pending transaction amount.   Is that snapshot is a desktop version?

Exodus is a close source wallet and not a wallet that I can recommend.

But you can do child-pay-for-parent on Exodus.



The child transaction can be into your own address, or using one stone to kill two birdy if you have a transaction to send to someone.

I have a pending transaction received on exodus wallet that has no confirmations for 5 days.   Can I import the seed phrase on to Electrum to use the this method, child-pay-for-parent?   Also, on mempool.space it shows the fee rate at 44.2 sat/vB and effective fee rate 18.2 sat/vB, what does that mean and how much should i set the fee on Electrum?

Yes, I took long to respond cus I needed to make some personal observations as to what happens afterwards but, I'm disappointed!
I do have full control... I was able to import my seed phrase into the new electrum wallet... Though nothing's changed since then; my balance is still zero and I've tried manipulating the severs to see if it'll connect to a one but, all to no avail...Also, it's being connected to about 10 nodes and the mempool fees are fluctuating between 38sat/vb - 145 sat/vb.
15 sat/vB
 VIAbtc ain't crap...  I used BITaccelerate and it wasn't working, I didn't need to be told that was wack ASF! Maybe I'll just have to wait till whenever?? Uhmmm.

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

It's not that hard. Let me explain it to you in simple terms:
Let's suggest you own 1btc and you sent 0.5 to the recipient. You are supposed to receive 0.5btc back,right!
If you own the recipient wallet, you can perform CPFP. If you are getting any change back, you can perform CPFP. If you sent the full amount amount to someone else's wallet and you are not getting anything back then you can't perform cpfp.you need to control one of the outputs to perform CPFP.

Yes, that's what I'm talking about or by running Bitcoin core with "-mempoolfullrbf"


Sorry about that but you didn't mention that you have full control over your wallet and TW is another term that I don't recognize that is why I ask. Since Charles-Tim said the close wallet for TW is Trust Wallet you should have a backup seed and you can import it to Electrum and follow the guide posted by hosseinimr93.
Or you can also do some experiment if you have full node you can run your Bitcoin core with "-mempoolfullrbf".

viabtc.com tool is not fake it works

All others are fake.


if the tx is under 500kb and sats were over 11 it will work. I used 11 not 10 to be sure.


At op if you want to move small amounts get a trezor hardware wallet. yes others work trezor is know by me it is what I use.

trezor allows rbf .


you can go to this site

https://mempool.jhoenicke.de/#BTC,30d,weight

it will give you an idea of how much you need to spend and if you send with trezor you can add if needed

look at this current image.
it shows 30 sats as the choke point.
30 is kind of filled up and could be too slow.
Ie 40 sats may work
50 sat will be better
60 sat looks to be the lowest for a fast send

How much is the fee rate you used for your transaction?

The current purging fee rate for nodes with default mempool size is 10.9 sat/vbyte. If the fee rate you used for your transaction is less than that, most nodes have purged your transaction from their mempool and you should be able to make a new transaction.

To do so, you need to import your wallet in electrum and change the server until you connect to a one which doesn't have your transaction in its mempool.


To do CPFP, you need to have full control over one of the receiving addresses. Do you?

He should just not use the old wallet again so that the transaction will not rebroadcast itself again and again, and wait for 14 days. He should also not use those fake accelerators that are just rebroadcasting transactions.

Yes you’re right Trustwallet doesn’t have an opt in RBF but since most of the nodes actually enable full RBF this days you can still replace your transaction and the full RBF node will treat it as a replacement. This guide contains an information on how to do that on electrum https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63198878 but you must pay attention to the server switch till you connect to the node that enables full RBF.

Now the simpler option is the CPFP which is easier. Since you control the receiving address just make sure you have funds extra on that funds on that receiving address wallet and then import the seed into electrum. You will notice an unconfirmed transaction just click on it and spend the transaction into another address or to the same receiving address with a much higher transaction fee that would cover for both transactions.


You didn’t let the OP know that it could be more than that 14 days as we have seen in the past due to the size of individual nodes mempool. And from OP’s post i don’t think she will wait till then

I have not tried this before and be looking for a way to broadcast my transaction on a node that is supporting full RBF.

My advise as always been to use a wallet that support opt-in RBF. Because your wallet is not supporting RBF, I will advice you to do CPFP.

Or if you can wait, import your wallet seed phrase from Trustwallet (sender's wallet) to Electrum and wait for like 2 weeks. The transaction would be dropped from mempool and you will be able to rebroadcast it again.

I wanna try this description on electrum wallet to see how I could push through...
"Gas fee" wasn't the intended term.ty
I'm not sure you read what I wrote clearly..I do have full control over the wallet.. TW doesn't enable RBF transactions and I don't have an idea on initializing the CPFP like I said...
Lemme see how this goes then ..

There is no wallet close to TW than Trustwallet, so the transaction is not replace-by-fee opted in.

You mean this: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63198878

That is also a good suggestion.

You sure you used Bitcoin?  


I hate to admit but you lost me here...


Again, no gas, just use sat/b like everyone does
You're under 18sat/vb then, but you say you have only 195vB size? Then it won't be that costly to use CPFP
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5285192
Anyhow, if you could just say how much the fee is in sat/vb, if you're just below the next few blocks fee you could simply wait, it's weekend and transactions are losing steam, you might still get a confirmation by early Monday.

What do you mean by gas fee? Are you sending ETH/tokens?
Bitcoin doesn't have gas fees the term that is used on Bitcoin is transaction fees.

Anyway, what wallet do you use? If you have full control of your wallet you can bump the transaction(RBF) if it's not an RBF transaction then you can CPFP if you have full control of the receiving address.

You can also rebuild the transaction even if the transaction does not have a signal for RBF you can replace it with an RBF flag.

Bitcoin transaction fee is not called gas fee, it is called transaction fee, or you can just call it fee.

You can check the fee rate here:

https://mempool.space/
https://jochen-hoenicke.de/queue/#BTC,24h,weight

If you send the coin to a noncustodial wallet, import the seed phrase of the wallet on Electrum. Spend part of the unconfirmed transaction to another address on your Electrum wallet, or if you want to send coins to someone. Use a fee that is high enough that can make the two transactions to be confirmed. I mean the unconfirmed (parent) transaction and the (child) transaction that you just want to make now.

To accelerate a transaction using ViaBTC, the transaction fee supposed not to be less 10 sat/byte (around 18.5 sat/vbyte for 1 input and 1 output if you use segwit addresses).

If you used wallet that support RBF, you only just need to have increased the fee and that makes it simple and not using more fee as it is in child-pay-for-parent.

Recommended wallet to use: Bitcoin open source wallets that support replace-by-fee (RBF)

Hey y'all..
I made a transaction to another subsidiary wallet and I was charged with a high txn fees - the gas fee was as high as $11 and I reduced it through an enabling tool on TW.. mind you, the weight and size of this dustcoin is 450 and 195 respectively.
The problem now is, the txn has been pending for over 11 hours now and I had to use VIAbtc accelerator to quicken the confirmation process, only to be told that my adjusted gas fee is too low to be confirmed...

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I was definitely looking for ways I could adjust back the gas fee and I stumbled on CPFP. I don't know how to initialize that to correct the fees and so on but I need your help!! Is there a way out???
Edit: I meant to say "tnx fees" not gas fees

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