Topic: People who do not believe in Jesus Christ are blind and deaf (Read 3080 times)

Spendulus.

I quoted from Jesus Christ in my original post, and when Jesus said something, well, isn't it great that Jesus is right, but you are wrong?

Here is the quote from Jesus again:

n Matthew 13:13-15, Jesus tells us why He spoke to the multitudes in parables:

"Because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, 'By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them."'


Quoted from:

www.truthmagazine.com/archives/volume6/TM006059.htm


but later on in this thread, I did try to explain to you, how it is for me to try and reason with people who are blind and deaf, because they do not believe in Jesus Christ, and the fact that no matter what I say, their minds are fixated and dogmatic about their own ways of reasoning, and they make taunting remarks and slights, and mockeries, and they think they are 'proving' something, but they are not.

I know the educational system teaches people to read from several different sources, and try to make an informed decision, and to the wise man of the world, this seems to be logic or reason.

But it turns out, that the Holy bible takes precedence, and God said: 'To whom will you compare me to'


So, there isn't anything to compare it to. That is the true logic and reason.

But, now there is many different versions of the Holy Bible, and that seems to be where some of the real work is nowadays, is in trying to discern what is what from that.

Due to the fact that the holy bible is so important to man, therefore it makes perfect sense that priests historically did want to have other books burned.  

The wise man of the world is forever learning, but never coming to a knowledge of the truth.

Jesus Christ has died, and Jesus Christ has risen, Jesus Christ went with the clouds, Jesus Christ is seated at the right hand of God, Jesus christ has been lifted up high above all the angels of heaven, Jesus Christ is King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

The governments of the world are on Jesus Christ's shoulders.

Jesus Christ is Alive right now, and is seated at the right hand of God.

Jesus Christ will come again, with the clouds.

Jesus is Lord, and God raised Jesus from the dead on the third day

Those who are in the body of Christ, are priests and Kings with Christ

I don't understand why people believe something instantly if someone told it to them that is absolutely absurd

The Hebrew god, Christian god and god of Islam are all the same one and only God (of these religions which I too share). The differences heirin primarily center around treatment of Jews, whether or not Jesus was a heritic, a prophet or the physical embodiment of God and the specific religious laws and the conviction of adherence to them.

Historically however Jesus was for certain on this earth and many of his works and most of his life are well documented by multiple religious and secular sources.  As was Mohammed, Abraham, King David, Soloman and more.  Interesting tidbit is that the Hebrew bible (old testament/Torah) has one of the oldest references to China which is later supported in the Christian new testament.

Whether you believe it is coincidence or in fact a richer history for these religions than is known today contradicting the alleged age of these religions here is anecdotal evidence of the deeper relationship which scholars secular and religious alike are studying: http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/chinese/bible.shtml

Not to mention many of the "myths" of these religions, at least to modern secularists, are cosupported within the "myths" of other religions and secular account as well as modern discoveries which confirm anamolies and practical facts about these stories.  Namely such things as the great flood supported by many religions and scientific fact in soil analysis in finding aquatic matter and life in places they should not have been and seeing that chronologically intermingled with land based matter/life indicating that great portions of dry land were in fact covered by water at some point in earths history and such things as the battle of Jericho which was at one time deemed impossible due to theories that placed Jericho being destroyed prior to the emergence of the israelites and later more recent archeological evidence dating it to well within the time of the Israelites, along with the modern discovery of harmonic resonance which scientifically could allow for the felling of the walls of Jericho and there is historical account that the marching around the city prior to attack was in fact used by secular armies as well to lull a well defended enemy into a sense of false security.

Take it or leave it, much of the religious texts of these sister religions is supported by known scientific facts/discoveries, arhaelogical evidence and seemingly inconsequential global accounts in disperate geographies, religions and peoples.  For the non-believers it seems like you'd rather discount science and fact which is supportive of the factual basis of these texts in some vain arrogance that somehow religion is an afront to the very "science" worshiped by said people.  Not to mention that evolutionary sciences such as DNA evidence do account for a remarkably shorter time on the earth for humanity than what early evolutionists theorized as well as a genetic bottle-neck for humanity (great flood?) As well as a remarkable alignment to the original story of genesis with evolutionary development (with much of the texts of these books being told in parable to express an understanding to peoples with little more knowledge of the mechanics of their world than we have today.... remember to "With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day." So time quotes such as the 7 day creation story were quite probably not 7 human days as time would not operate the same as we experience it... Didn't Einstein and several other "worshipped" scientists show mathematical evidence of the probabilities of said time phenomena in our universe related to gravity, speed and mathematical evidence of the probable existence of multidimensional "planes of existence")

I read this nonsense of yours without any aid, so my vision seems good and I just debunked your whole Bible.

Thank me later after you have read some real books.

I wouldn't say blind or deaf, I'd say they aren't historically literate though. I don't think there is any doubt that Jesus did exist, he was very much a person. The question is whether or not he was the son of god.

Serious question though, what makes Christianity more valid than say, Islam? I mean, all of the major world religions share a lot of similarities, so all of the arguements used to prove the existance of a Christian god, can also be used to prove the existance of many other gods.

I tell the blind man, the door is over there.

The blind man doesn't bother to 'look' or check, but simply says: There is no door over there, you are an idiot.

I tell the blind man again: 'The door is over there' but once again the blind man will not even 'look' or check, so he never gets to that door and never opens the door.

Instead the blind man wastes my time, by asking me why I think there is a door over there.

After a while, I decide I am not even going to listen to the blind man anymore.

The blind man yells at me as I leave: 'Don't push your belief in doors on me'

I just shrug my shoulders and walk away, going out the door I told him was there.

 

People who censor other peoples opinions are blind and deaf.

I know one thing for sure, that a man who walked the Earth 2000 years ago created a lot of followers of many types and kinds.

But he never told followers to be total assholes and jerks in his cause.

I may be blind and deaf, but at least I'm not dumb.

Mhh clouds, are you sure its clouds? Could be the fog of all the weed they smoke.

like a god???

LOOK, he was just a lightweight...but not that light...

see, those gods, they walk way up in the clouds and stuff.

So you want me to beleive in a man names Jesus, son of a god,  WHO could walk on water like a god, but still getting caught by some guards and then kill? Good joke. I am not to jugde anyones beleif, but then they shouldn't jugde my beliefs.

I believe it was said that the budhist religion is the closest to the truth just what I read. Now if u dont believe me your deaf and blind!

Hmm, well, this year I brought the hostess some firewood for the fireplace and my sweetie brought a plate of mini-quiches for the potluck table.  Both of which were the product of our own personal labor, so I guess that's all the way back to "barter", the pre-currency standard.

Cool.  Just to be fair let me ask you too?

In your Pag-an cult what do you pay in?

Is bitcoin the true and only way to bliss?

Or are your faithful mired in the blashphemous, sinful currencies of the past?

I am a regular worshipper in a Pagan Sex Cult.

The history of Life on earth is about 3650 Million years long, which is a decent metaphorical year, placing the invention of sex 500 Million years ago about 50 "days" before the end of the year. That's why, every year, we celebrate the Invention of Sex with a Big Bang party (okay, we're also celebrating the birth of the universe itself) on November 11.  Hey, it's a great party.  Y'all should come!  

We just got reeally sick of the doom 'n' gloom and death and end-of-the-world stuff, and it occurred to us that a life cult was way better than a death cult.  All our lives we'd been asked to believe that someone *good* was planning to destroy the whole world and kill everybody, and that if you were good he wouldn't torture you forever afterwards.  Cognitive dissonance eventually caught up.  Clearly, it was no more nor less than our religious duty to find a new direction.  

So, as the saying goes, y'all do whatever trips your trigger.  But I know what I'm doing, and I'm much happier about it than I was before we started on a new direction.

I asked:

Now here's the problem I'm addressing to you, just_me, since you seem to wish to post jesus stuff over and over.  It would follow that, if you made conversions, they would donate to a church or churches or causes.

This website and to some large degree, the threads have to do with the impact of bitcoin on society.  Now, do you have ways that bitcoin can be donated to your causes?  If so, let's hear what they are.  If not, are you advocating - here - donations in fiat currency?

No beating around the bush please.  I'd simply like to know if you are here to create/foster/explain how the important job of donations by the faithful or the newly converted can be done in bitcoin, or whether you are one of the tired old fiat operators and hustlers.

Thanks.

Since you choose not to answer it, I am obliged to classify you as one of the tired old fiat operators and hustlers.  That would have no obvious place on a bitcoin forum.  I understand that you are very sincere and all that yada yada yada.  But you are just a fiat type guy, so my advice to you would be to render unto Caesar that which is Casear's and go some where where that's the way people think.

How could you overlook the overwhelming, neutral evidence that he is real and is who he claims he is?

believe in me so i can save you from myself if you dont believe in me

Spare us this crap

There is really no place for this kind of tedious dogma on this forum...

God is real because God says he is real. Hmmm.

wow
what made you make that conclusion?
if you believe everything you read in the bible, what about the contradictions?

For example

JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.

JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

or perhaps

Here is the order in the first (Genesis 1), the Priestly tradition:

Day 1: Sky, Earth, light
Day 2: Water, both in ocean basins and above the sky(!)
Day 3: Plants
Day 4: Sun, Moon, stars (as calendrical and navigational aids)
Day 5: Sea monsters (whales), fish, birds, land animals, creepy-crawlies (reptiles, insects, etc.)
Day 6: Humans (apparently both sexes at the same time)
Day 7: Nothing (the Gods took the first day off anyone ever did)

here it says animals were  created first and then here that man  was created first

The second one (Genesis 2), goes:

Earth and heavens (misty)
Adam, the first man (on a desolate Earth)
Plants
Animals
Eve, the first woman (from Adam's rib)

Or even Jesuses last words

there are 3 different version in the bible

MAT 27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."

LUK 23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."

JOH 19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."

even the color of Jesuses rope on the trial

MAT 27:28 scarlet

JOH 19:2 purple

these aren't  the only contradictions,there are hundreds of them, I just picked a few..


which version is true?

you can't think everything in the bible is true because almost nothing is, you have to know
God didn't write the bible

The bible was written by a group of bishops in the council at Carthage in 397 A.D

Don't get me wrong, I'm a Christian but I know that the bible isn't a trustworthy source of information..

I don't agree with part b, therefore part a is moot to me.

There is much better "religion" called "open minded thinking" which beliefs are based on connecting the facts and getting new knowledge. Church tried to fight with this since centuries, burning people of science and (forbid) their books. Nowadays getting knowledge and releasing own creativity is so easy like never ever before so pushing the necessity of using dogmatic rituals as a tool for soul treatment/salvation or whatever is harder and harder everyday.

The holy bible says you are blind and deaf.

The holy bible is more trustworthy than non-believers.


The holy bible tells us to be 'WISE AS SERPENTS, BUT HARMLESS AS DOVES' ( not gullible, but seeing and hearing, unlike the non-believers who are blind and deaf)

I do not believe in an all-powerful invisible man in the sky.

I am neither blind, nor deaf both of which are obvious to me and the people around me.

Christianity is a patchwork of religions founded by a Jewish rabbi and re-written edited for many years by people who believed in different things.

Let me just say this. People who believe in Christianity are awfully gullible.

That's well said. Seek objective, not dogmatic truth.

I'm from U.S, and I will never visit. But I think it's great that Jesus helps people to get pass those stupid border controls there

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFxijuRjX1U

Don't take this the bad way, I really mean it, it's great!

Whatever you people say, nonetheless, the Holy Bible

says that people who do not believe in Jesus Christ are blind and deaf.


And the holy bible is more trustworthy than people who do not believe in Jesus Christ.

Yahweh was an alien
Don't you watch Ancient Aliens on the History channel? 

It's worse. We don't have even the genes from gods which we could still have, if the Yahweh hadn't wiped out everyone but Noah and his family...

Jesus is a historical person, which means he actually existed but it doesn't mean that he is a God.
He claimed he was the Gods child,and he claimed we are all Gods children, what makes him so special then?

I find much more probable that he was a great man with a vision instead an actual Gods descendant.

+1

Not just you.  I asked for that connection or lack of and am here asking again.

Now here's the problem I'm addressing to you, just_me, since you seem to wish to post jesus stuff over and over.  It would follow that, if you made conversions, they would donate to a church or churches or causes.

This website and to some large degree, the threads have to do with the impact of bitcoin on society.  Now, do you have ways that bitcoin can be donated to your causes?  If so, let's hear what they are.  If not, are you advocating - here - donations in fiat currency?

No beating around the bush please.  I'd simply like to know if you are here to create/foster/explain how the important job of donations by the faithful or the newly converted can be done in bitcoin, or whether you are one of the tired old fiat operators and hustlers.

Thanks.

Yours was also quoted in convenience very out of context, notably all of your quotes...

Here we go again with the self moderation...

Shouldn't this thread have been started in off-topics? Or is it just me that fails to see the connection to Bitcoin?

By their fruits you shall know them.. and your fruit stinks of elitism and judgement.  All caught up on the idea of believing in him and all that is really important is living by his spiritual teachings (i.e the golden rule).  The slave regurgitates and quotes ... our salvation is in those who actually live by what was taught.  I know you want McDonalds spirituality which only requires you to just say " I believe!"  ..but join the adults.. and just live it.

I believe that such a man like Jusus Christ existed in the past. Does it count?

I quoted from a website, some scripture that is close to what Jesus said.

Hearing, they do not hear.

Seeing, they do not see.

You do hear, and you do see; but you do not hear, and you do not see.

How can this be? I am the wise man of the world. Surely if there was something there to hear or see, then surely I would hear and see it before all these other imbeciles would.

Is that what you think?

Why then has God hidden it from you?

It's okay to tell others about your religion, but don't insult them for not following it.

i think jesus was a regular man and the romans proved that when they killed him. i could be wrong but thats my opinion.

i am open minded to the possibility of something greater than ourselves that could be responsible for life but i have a hard time swallowing what the bible says. i think they are the words of man not god.

Dude....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK33CY68s1w

We don't have definitive proof either way if God exists so who gives a shit

Now here's the problem I'm addressing to you, just_me, since you seem to wish to post jesus stuff over and over.  It would follow that, if you made conversions, they would donate to a church or churches or causes. 

This website and to some large degree, the threads have to do with the impact of bitcoin on society.  Now, do you have ways that bitcoin can be donated to your causes?  If so, let's hear what they are.  If not, are you advocating - here - donations in fiat currency?

No beating around the bush please.  I'd simply like to know if you are here to create/foster/explain how the important job of donations by the faithful or the newly converted can be done in bitcoin, or whether you are one of the tired old fiat operators and hustlers.

Thanks.

Exactly, Why discuss religion and an alien astronaut's thoughts, here on a cryptocurrency forum at the first place ?

Hmm I Believe in SCIENCE, and I'm pretty sure my sight and hearing are perfect. But thanks for your concern.

Talking seriously , I respect the belief of everyone, but I just can't stand the people that threaten , bash or hate the others because they think or believe in something different.

It's cute how you believe that, simply because some one else told you to believe it. Some one else another person that can be as much at fault as you or myself or anyone else. Uncertainty...its a scary thing, especially when its the truth. What do you believe now?

Do all the bad karma in the past and then repent it years later on a virtual forum by spreading religion ?
Ain't this the case

"People who do not believe in Jesus Christ are blind and deaf"
I believe but doubt his existence altough this statement is so wrong!

You think everyone else is blind and deaf just for quoting a few lines from the bible?
Dude, the Quran also has a lot of shit just like the Bible, does that mean everyone who doesn't believe in Allah is blind and deaf?
Same goes for Torah

But it's the WORD.

Although, in thinking about it, it could not be THE word because it is more than one word.

“Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us – he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.” (Psalm 137:9)

“I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” (1 Timothy 2:12)

“This is what the Lord Almighty says... ‘Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’” (1 Samuel 15:3)

“Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.” (Ephesians 5:22)

“Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.” (1 Peter 2:18)

(the thing about quoting a book full of bizarre things is that we can quote it also)

As an agnostic man. I refuse to believe we are all a bunch of inbred sinners as the bible would have us believe.. (adam and eve > leading to incest)

In Matthew 13:13-15, Jesus tells us why He spoke to the multitudes in parables:

"Because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, 'By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them."'


Quoted from:

www.truthmagazine.com/archives/volume6/TM006059.htm