"Plagiarism" and Bitcoin Collectibles

krogothmanhattan

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Quote from: MoparMiningLLC on October 15, 2023, 01:34:59 PM

Quote from: krogothmanhattan on October 15, 2023, 11:06:57 AM

Well what about this? >> https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62998453

Plagiarism or mere coincidence? Your thoughts?

I would not call that plagiarism of your work. While similar in some aspects there are literally hundreds of pictures of people in front of a sunrise/sunset. Yes both have bitcoin in them as well but I still think they have more differences than similarities.

  While yes plenty of people in front of sunsets or sunrises...but what are the odds...

  a) Bitcoin Sun, just like mine
  b) Bankers on the right just like mine
  c) People on the left rejoicing, just like mine.

   So have to disagree with you in that. I don't think that by some divine coincidence his coin turned out to have the same concept at the same positioning like mine just by chance. It is what it is, but that idea was mine to start with.

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Quote from: krogothmanhattan on October 15, 2023, 11:06:57 AM

Well what about this? >> https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62998453

Plagiarism or mere coincidence? Your thoughts?

I would not call that plagiarism of your work. While similar in some aspects there are literally hundreds of pictures of people in front of a sunrise/sunset. Yes both have bitcoin in them as well but I still think they have more differences than similarities.

krogothmanhattan

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The Stone the masons rejected was the cornerstone.

Well what about this? >> https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62998453

Plagiarism or mere coincidence? Your thoughts?

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Quote from: aoluain on September 28, 2023, 04:33:39 PM

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I wonder if they are/were aware of these works and if they are/were interested in
legal action?

good point.
I don't know if you're familiar with catawiki's auction (it's a french site operating in EU), their shop it's full of these items clearly taken without any authorization by legal owner.
https://www.catawiki.com/it/s?q=rolex+art&sort=relevancy_desc&page=1
here on example with Rolex brand.

It seems they are allowed to sell Roll Eyes

since it's from several years that I am tracking these items.

Max HF in this case couldn't made any legal attempt, but in any case, I would prefer the first/original work and not the "imitation"...

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Quote from: OgNasty on September 28, 2023, 02:52:33 PM

Quote from: aoluain on September 28, 2023, 01:33:59 PM

You make a good point that both artists clearly ripped off their designs from the original cereal box. At least one of the artists didn’t use the Kellogg’s branding.

Ah but both did, only one used the "Kelloggs" logo but both used the iconic Red, Green and
Orange Chicken.

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The brand names, slogans, characters and other trademarks, as well as the package
designs of all Kellogg's® products and promotions belong exclusively to Kellogg Company and /or
its subsidiary companies, and are protected from copying and simulation under national and international
trademark and copyright laws and treaties throughout the world.

https://www.kelloggs.co.uk/en_GB/legal-notices.html

I wonder if they are/were aware of these works and if they are/were interested in
legal action?

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Quote from: aoluain on September 28, 2023, 01:33:59 PM

Thats tricky, is one a plagiarised version of the other?

Was the first a plagiarised piece of Kelloggs Corn Flakes?

are both artists in the wrong?

My thinking is that they are different takes on the same idea.

We all know this one and how its been copied and used, was it put out into the public domain
or did the designer just forget about it?

You make a good point that both artists clearly ripped off their designs from the original cereal box. At least one of the artists didn’t use the Kellogg’s branding.

As far as Mick Bruce’s BTC coin is concerned, he did not put it into the public domain or forget about it. The mint he used to create them lied to him and ripped off his designs without his permission. Although, his design is so famous now, I’m not sure if it ended up being a good or bad thing. He was screwed out of a ton of $, but is now a legend.

(My mint tried to do something similar with my BTC Binary rounds, which Mick ironically also designed, but I refused.)

aoluain

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Thats tricky, is one a plagiarised version of the other?

Was the first a plagiarised piece of Kelloggs Corn Flakes?

are both artists in the wrong?

My thinking is that they are different takes on the same idea.

We all know this one and how its been copied and used, was it put out into the public domain
or did the designer just forget about it?

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Quote from: bitbollo on September 22, 2023, 03:44:27 AM

Would you ever buy a piece like this (likewise plagiarized)?!

If I knew it was a direct plagiarism of a portion of someone else's work ^{[like in your example]}, my answer would be a big fat NO ^{[even if it cited sources]}, but if it was just influenced by another art while adding its own touch ^{[+ citing the sources]}, I might reconsider!

Quote from: bitbollo on September 22, 2023, 03:44:27 AM

How artist and collectors could avoid to bring in collection "questionable"?

This is one of those things that's quite tricky... We can come up with a bunch of steps that could help in identifying them, but these steps will only minimize their chances and on top of that, there's also the issue of unethical artists finding a workaround to these steps.

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Quote from: minerjones on September 22, 2023, 05:36:48 AM

It may just be that artist A is not familiar with artist's B work... also not hard to imagine 2 artists having similar ideas/artworks considering the strength of the Kellogg's Corn Flakes brand having been around for over 120 years

The original Coin Flakes from Max were a pretty niche' project when released in 2014/2015?

it could be an explanation, it's true.
However, the resemblance is really strong and I think that a minimum of initial research or "mention" wouldn't hurt.
let's ignore the fact that I don't think using the brand etc etc has authorization Roll Eyes

I have seen some auction on scarce.city and probably one also here on forum. Nowadays is a well known piece...

Quote from: krogothmanhattan on September 22, 2023, 04:01:50 AM

...take Microsoul who literally copied Casascius design for his coins and people still bought.

perhaps for coins I see this problem less because the space is smaller and it is clear that certain information is always reported with the same type of design... like stamps.
If you take early stamp 900' they have always the same "design" more or less...

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It may just be that artist A is not familiar with artist's B work... also not hard to imagine 2 artists having similar ideas/artworks considering the strength of the Kellogg's Corn Flakes brand having been around for over 120 years

The original Coin Flakes from Max were a pretty niche' project when released in 2014/2015?

krogothmanhattan

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Bitbollo....thanks for sharing....that is a good question....It is a slightly different version of the original and I probably would not buy it.

But I am sure others would as it is a variance of the original art. But then again many have copied original designs...take Microsoul who literally copied Casascius design for his coins and people still bought.

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I was searching some collectibles in Catawiki and I have find this nice work.

https://www.catawiki.com/it/l/74742221-xavier-van-walsem-1980-kelloggs-bitcoin-flakes

Only one problem, it's clear a plagiarism of another work, and there is no mention Sad

https://www.behance.net/gallery/50279265/Coin-Flakes-Bitcoin-in-every-bite

Selling value estimated by curator of auction is around 200-400 euro (if I remember correctly is much much more of the original work value....)

Would you ever buy a piece like this (likewise plagiarized)?!
How artist and collectors could avoid to bring in collection "questionable"?

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