Topic: Plagiarism vs AI Posting (Read 1017 times)

For me using AI is like you are cheating as we all know that the post made by an AI from your account is not from your own perspective which means it's not acceptable for me cause it's look like you are plagiarizing some others opinion  AI is made by human so technically speaking all the details delevered by an AI is from human too. So there's no point of using AI maybe it will make our task do faster but always remember the more you fast the more you failed.

Honestly, I don't know the motive why someone would use AI to create a post. Do they deliberately do this with the aim of creating high-quality content to gain merit? I don't think it's difficult if just comment, I wonder why there are people who like to use AI. Even though my post is not good, at least my writing represents what is in my head

First, before we look into why can't a user indicate that his or her content is Ai generated, we will have to look at why some users will want to use a CHATGPT in the first place.

Mostly, those who use it, use it to find an answer to a (maybe) complicated question which they believe could be of good knowledge or act as a good information to other forum users, who might in turn want to appreciate the user by giving merit.

So considering the above, we know that those who use CHATGPT, just as the op have said, use it to make them appear more intelligent and knowledgeable than they original are, and this they do, all for nothing but to earn more merit in the forum, so if earning merits be the goal, indicating the real source of the information they are sharing might just be a goal damager for them, since the real essence of using Ai in the first place, which is to appear more intelligent than they truly are, is completely defeated.

Going back to the op, I think since the forum already have a rule against plagiarism, same rule can apply to those who use CHATGPT to make post, or better still, let the forum allow campaign managers to discipline those users involved in such an act.

There's more to using of AI in generating post, why then can't a user of such never indicated the source of their contents to be AI generated, if you're giving out an idea, then let it be strictly on your personal own point of view, if you're collecting other ideas from different sources and yet claiming they are yours without you indicating their sources means you're not to be trusted with whatever you offer since they are not generic from you.

There are no rules in the forum that debars AI posting, except if it's used to outrightly break another forum rule.. the likes of the case on ground - where several accounts were banned for using Ai postings to Fish and HODL merits...
For me, I think it's not really much of a development technically - why? AIs will always be limited to varieties of naturally conceived ideas... ain't no way a bot be more intelligent than a human... For that reason, Coupled with the fact that it could actually help to enhance copywriters and programmer's skills, I don't really seem to see anything wrong with it..

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Well, it was in my childhood when I've been taught that pretending to be the author of other's work is wrong. If someone washed the dishes you shouldn't say that you've done that, if someone cleaned the room it's the same, if someone gave some idea you shouldn't pretend to be its author. Right, later in school you learn that taking other's work instead of yours is the same way incorrect, but it is based on what we learn at childhood, to claim to be the authors of only what we done ourselves, not of done by someone else.

Of course it's a crime and morally wrong, but let's not kid ourselves here and be honest. We know about plagiarism through education, research, and/or online forums like this one. It's not common sense. It is for you or me because we know about it, but I didn't learn it growing up playing with my friends. The concept was also not explained to me at the bar or when I was playing sports in my youth. My parents never told me not to copy someone else's content on the Internet. I learned about citation and the necessity to cite sources in school.   

Well, Plagiarism is totally a crime and I do not think you need to learn it during higher education, it's common sense which should be known to everyone.
Plagiarism is like theft, where you write someone else content and claim it to be yours. Those who are involved in Plagiarism, already know that they are doing it wrong.

Using ChatGPT or AI is not a crime as you can use it in some scenario's, but if you use it for posting or writing blogs/articles, then this is the same as doing a plagiarism. You need to put in your effort and do not copy paste stuff from AI else why the companies hire people to write content, they could use the AI tools if the purpose is to write via a bot.   

I would not really agree with that, because good or bad habits are adopted at an early age, when children should already begin to understand what is good or bad. If we consider that conscious plagiarism is a form of theft, we can conclude that this person has never understood that it is a bad thing to take something from someone else and say "it's mine".

In the online world, such inappropriate behavior is even more pronounced because the person who does it hides behind anonymity, and if he lives in an environment where he has never had problems with the law because he stole something, then how can you even explain to him that plagiarism is something bad?

That damned AI Chat is for some of them a gift they couldn't even dream of, and I consider it one of the biggest threats to human creativity and online communication.

Plagiarism is a concept you learn during higher education. We have people on Bitcointalk from all corners of the world. Some very educated, others on the border of illiteracy. Those from the bottom of the social scale don't give much thought to written text and would sometimes be surprised that those higher up on that same scale consider it stealing something that doesn't belong to you. It's no justification, just the way it is.   

I answer based on my personal assumptions and opinions

1# Campaign managers have the right to make their own rules, and I don't think those rules are up for debate.

2# Plagiarism is clearly prohibited and is very detrimental to the forum because plagiarism can bring the forum into the realm of law, therefore the forum prohibits all types of plagiarism because it avoids copyright claims.

As far as I know, plagiarism in text is about plagiarizing writing. It does not contain thoughts and ideas, so if you read an article and you rewrite it in your own style then it is not plagiarism even though the ideas you convey are the same as the content of the article. Articles you write in your own style will be included as Uniq articles

3# In the context of using AI, AI does not completely plagiarize writing and does not violate copyright claims (correct me if I'm wrong) so it is not considered plagiarism and it seems that there is no law that can claim copyright because the article is used by AI. If plagiarism regulations are used to avoid copyright claims then the use of AI does not violate copyright and does not need to be prohibited in forums

However, because the bitcointalk forum is a discussion forum, it would be unethical to use AI, the essence of the discussion would be lost because discussion is a place to share ideas, debate, look for ideas, share opinions, and so on. between humans and humans. If AI is used then it will no longer be a discussion, because discussions are born from the contents of the mind

Unfortunately, he is not the first (and certainly not the last) who wants to somehow justify the use of AI for the purpose of writing posts, and what I noticed is that such an opinion prevails among forum users who come from specific countries. I don't want to generalize and point the finger at anyone, but everyone who is a regular user of the forum could have already concluded that - and no, it is not only about some low ranks, but also members who are very well known and respected by their local community.

I remembered that @Pmalek opened a thread once Plagiarism as a result of cultural differences, and point 3 ("Those who have a different understanding of the plagiarism concept due to educational/cultural differences") is what I am talking about here. If someone has no problem lying or stealing in real life, they won't have the slightest problem behaving in the same way online.

In my opinion, using AI to create posts is the same as the spinning article model that was once popular in the blogging world. AI is more difficult to detect because of its ability to improvise and combine various articles into a new article that looks unique. I doubt whether in the future there will be tools capable of detecting AI-generated articles or not because AI will become more sophisticated as time goes by.

In terms of plagiarism, I find them to be essentially the same. Whilst conventional plagiarism will take the content from another source and place it here on the forum "passing it off as his own" (he may take the words for a "spin" first, which is all the same), copying text generated by an AI software and pasting it on the forum is still an attempt to, likewise, "pass it off as his own".

That is to say, the intent is the same, to deceive as to the true authorship of the content, be it a person or a machine, hoping to earn some kind of credit in the event.

The technical difference, from a moderation point of view, is that conventional plagiarism is easier to prove and reference against an external prior existing source, whilst AI generated content is much more difficult to pinpoint (if at all), and normally its use will become clear not by mere comparison to a given source, but by differences in the posting patterns of the poster.

It is not the first account from which an idea of tolerating AI posting is forced through the idea of using bots for improving the grammar. I guess some farmer of multiple accounts is very disappointed being caught with his AI posting and now tries to legitimize AI posts anyhow to abuse the forum with more of low quality posts written by bots to get some rewards for that and not being punished. It is a subject of earning for him so he is trying to make others to doubt that AI posts are not okay in any way.

Aside from the cheating aspect of this, that is using AI to create posts in this forum, in the real sense of it, Relying on AI to create posts, The negative effect is that it will turn you as a writer into becoming a dumb brain or person over time and at some point you will find it very difficult to be creative or even do anything aside ChatGPT. AI "ChatGPT" has both negative and positive effects, and I personally avoid using it when it comes to things that involve critical thinking and making a post that requires human reasoning such as posting on a forum like this.

I don't know why you replied to a post that is about 7 months old, but you didn't write anything smart considering how people who use their brains (still) communicate on this forum. I don't understand your thinking about "beautifying posts" with AI, because in the end it's not you, but some machine processed your post and released its "beautified" version.

As for those academics you mention, I would not agree that this is something completely normal, but as we see, it is becoming the "new normal" more and more. Those who invented all those AI chat bots want it to become normal and to get into every pore of society in order to profit even more from it, but in which direction does it actually lead?

Creating a board for AI posting is another way of supporting the use of AI while posting, just as SamReomo already advised, doing such will e courage for spamming and there's no point allowing for post's that are not generic from the poster, base on my understanding, using AI is just another way of falsification of posts because what you're posting isn't written by you, yet you wanted to use it as being the author to its contents, i will rather suggest that using AI is nothing but an advanced way of doing plagiarism without getting banned.

I don't think that creating a board for AI posting will be helpful at all since that board will be full of spam and only spammers would post in that board. The AI posts are highly disliked by the campaign managers because there isn't any input from the actual account holder buy from a bot that knows how to generate text.

The AI generative bots aren't as brilliant as humans in conversations and have their own weaknesses and sometimes instead of giving a proper answer they make up a non-sense answer and when user just copies and pastes that answer without knowing it deeply then that thing isn't called a good contribution to the forum at all.

Plagiarism is an act where someone copies another's work and posts it has their own without mentioning the original source while AI generative texts aren't a form of plagiarism but they are generated texts which an AI made after getting trained on wide library of text available on internet and also from books and journals.

The AI somehow makes their own texts from the trained datasets but those texts are mostly similar in nature and doesn't have any difference from one answer to other answer and the writing style is also similar. The use of AI generated posts can contribute to spamming only and it won't help to have any healthy discussions at all.

The point is for AI to help, not to replace. In percentages, it might be a max of 5-10% by the AI and 90% by you. If the number is the opposite, it means you are only representing AI here. This forum prevents robots from registering by implementing a captcha.
Do you always have to write a question prompt for your gf:

This forum accepts human grammar from any part of the world, which is a blessing because of the variety of native languages.

The forum moderators understand better, I dont support the outright use of AI to generate answers but I believe AI can also be used to make your write beautiful. Go to the academic environment, they will tell you it is allowed when it is used properly

What you say is true, the fear is that you'll find yourself talking to bots.
But even there it's easy to tell when it's a bot or a human.
A human gets angry, curses, insults. A bot is always polite and respectful of the other. So it's easy to understand

I agree with this since in todays AI technology, there is still that difference that you are talking to a bot compared to a human thru chats. But is is scary to think that they are becoming more human in the way they construct conversations. In terms of plagiarism, I think, this is not a fair way of engaging in forums since it is more of human discussion and thoughts sharing. Also, I agree that you can't get something from that since you are not the one who personally make it, you might have an idea but you wouldn't get the whole context of it.

The technology sure is scary. But I think in any case you can tell if you're talking to a real person or a bot.
In the end the bot's problem is that it doesn't understand the context, it uses the sentences by manipulating them. At least as far as I understand.

Just to throw more fire on the topic, what about asking to AI this:

Can the usage of chat GPT in a forum be considered plagiarism?

Here is what we get:

It depends on how the Chat GPT is being used in the forum. If a user is simply using the Chat GPT to generate posts without adding any original content or insights, then it could be considered plagiarism.

However, if the Chat GPT is being used to assist a user in generating their own original content, then it would not be considered plagiarism. In this scenario, the user would be responsible for reviewing and editing the content generated by the Chat GPT to ensure that it meets the standards of the forum and is not plagiarized from other sources.

Ultimately, the use of Chat GPT or any other AI tool in a forum should be used ethically and responsibly to ensure that original content is being created and that plagiarism is avoided.

Basically it seems aligned with the majority of posts I've seen so far here...in the end it depends on the end user ethics and responsibility for now, as we have no clear rules regarding the subject.
Would be interesting to have a system where we could flag posts as "AI usage" for further checkage by another AI, and after confirmed we could start discussing the sanctions about it (such as merit loss, soft bans, etc...)

Enjoy your life!

The AI tools like ChatGPT are created for good but they are now widely miss used. The assignments given by teachers in schools/universities are now done mostly by students using ChatGPT. The down side of such approach is that students are not using the brain to search for data and do the hard work rather do the assignments with comfort. I have tried ChatGPT and at times it give wrong answers but students have developed blind faith in this tool. If you use AI tools to generate posts here then it will affect our ability to communicate with people here in the long run and not many are willing to accept this fact.

I think the what we should prioritize now is to implement new rules regarding AI. We all know that AI generates unplagiarized writings on its own way and of course the main purpose of that is become aid to lessen the number of hours spent on creating from scratch. That is also the reason it can cause negative effects on the forum, since it is now easier to construct posts with the aid of AI generated ideas so all the poster have to do is just search and copy paste it. Of course replying to a post is hard since you still have to manually construct your own reply before posting but creating a topic or making threads are now easier to do. What I usually do is just search for a topic and let AI explain it to me and use it as a reference to create my own post. AI really is a huge help in searching not only because it can create well written posts but also it filters a lot of unnecessary informations to save you time from searching it manually.

The AI has been a hot topic these days and there have been some discussions that whether we would categorise it under plagiarism or not.The AI bots give you content based on the questions asked by you and combining all the information they have to present a answer which has no original author so it would not come under direct plagiarism but I would call it under the similar one because you are not contributing anything towards it so do you call it your post? There are some people who can take hints from it and then write their own posts in forum context but those who didn't tweak it a little are doing the wrong thing which should be avoided.

They are just doing it to earn merits but in reality is it contributing something to their knowledge enhancement? No so why use them? See the technology and future era is AI dominated but human brain still have the capability to advance them and you can always try them like search different things with ChatGPT and see what context it give you but writing same as it is on forum is not right according to me although we don't have punishment for them ar the time.

It could be hard to detect the AI generated posts but we can indentify them through different tools available on the internet or more commonly the AI posts can't be overlooked not making sense and mixing up some sentences from the first impression only.So the campaign managers can find out members writing posts with the help of AI chatbots.I would say it's good because if you can't write something of your own and just copying the content and still think you deserve to get paid for it? Then they can simply create accounts and write posts for campaign promotion using ChatGPT .So use your brain and write posts of your own.

Some mistakes the user also makes when in a hurry or using translators. Need to see other posts. Subscription campaign managers see these moments, and if they don't, there are users on the forum who will say so.
I looked at GPT Chat, a very handy application for schoolchildren to prepare reports or abstracts, but when using this tool for writing posts, you will not earn merit.

Hey mate, actually, there are new AIs being released in order to figure out if any text has been created by an AI, you can see one example from Open AI itself below:
https://openai.com/blog/new-ai-classifier-for-indicating-ai-written-text

Just to add more fire, there are also some AI tools for camouflaging your AI usage out there.

I really do think that this discussion is necessary and if you are not understanding why the fuzz around it, maybe it would be an interesting moment to try it more often and engage in this kind of discussions as the disruptive power of that tech will, most probably, will impact your life inside and outside of this forum.

how do you understand if the writer is a bot or not, it seems to me very difficult
This is the first question about the theme that comes to mind
secondly, they are actually two different things

I don't understand all this hype about chatGPT, I may be ignorant, but I don't understand it

I have used both Grammarly and ChatGPT, but I find ChatGPT more convenient for me when it comes to the forum. I use AI for grammar purposes only. I am actually a premium user since it is also very useful for my business, such as creating campaign materials, marketing, etc.

AI is very useful, but it should not be abused to the point where you are cheating just to get your job done.

I just want to correct a little bit of what you said, there is a small brain unlike that of a human, so a monkey can't immediately understand such things if we compare it to a human mind or brain.

     Now, let's go back to the topic, there are others like the community here in the forum who in their understanding of plagiarism and AI are equally agreeable to them. The problem is because as you mentioned, others just copy and paste without editing. For example, I made a question in Chatgpt because when I made a question, chatgpt gave an answer that was created as a question, now is AI's answer to my question when I copy it, can it be called plagiarism?

i see that theymos will not apply strict rules to posters using AI, strict rules regarding the use of AI should be applied by the bounty manager of the signature campaign itself but over time we will can distinguish which users are using AI to make posts and which are not.

the use of AI in a post will only make the poster look like a coward!!

This is just proof that it does not mean that someone will necessarily look "smart" if they use AI, but the exact opposite will happen. If you don't understand some of the basics of what you're asking the AI, then you can't even correct some mistakes that the AI can make.

What is certain is that some will try to "disguise" artificially created posts in a similar way (but also in some new innovative ways) as they do with plagiarism. However, as long as there are those who do not like such behavior, all of them will have a problem, regardless of how intelligent the AI they use is.

I am personally against the use of AI posts being used by forum users that are wearing signature campaigns as their action makes the efforts of their counterpart in same signature campaign not recognized and appreciated when compared to their AI bot posts. Outside signature campaign, even in the forum it's really gonna a negative effect on the forum in years to come if we continue having more and more of AI posts as there will be more of artificial articles ruling over brain birthed ones from humans and this will degenerate humans ability to be creative about creating a good quality without the use of AI attached.
Plagiarism is different from AI bot as I understand so I rather go with the suggestion of OP to create room for where only AI posts are allowed to exist and campaign signatures shouldn't be recognize there. And default of such outside thay provided area for AI  posts should be treated as an offence with a definitely clearly stated punishment just like in the case with plagiarism that's clearly stated.

In addition, the forum will lose the meaning of communication. If someone today understands whether a post was written by a person or a robot, he can perfectly distinguish all the dryness of answers from AI. Imagine a forum where there are only general conclusions, no jokes, and no different emotions, but some kind of parody of a short Wikipedia. Does anyone like it?
Today I found some posts from AI about how they want to revive them. The user just added the phrase "I think", but he doesn't even bother to change the capitalization.


And that's exactly what the future holds for the forum if spammers are allowed to use this tool.

It's not a good idea at all to ask the AI a question and then post the answer immediately here. Because, in reality, it isn't your content. Because AI is free to use for anybody and is akin to copying and pasting, you shouldn't get banned for this. But, you can get data from AI and share it here. Don't just copy and paste the entire article. However the AI creates information that is challenging to detect.

I saw that version 4 is coming soon and is much more advanced than the previous version (I think that topic has been moved to an off-topic). I didn't know that something like that would be integrated into one of the most popular OS, although I'm not sure if that option is something that comes as part of a paid service package or if it will be free for everyone?


I don't see that it's a bad option, because people should communicate using their brains and keyboards, and not create posts by asking AI a question and then copy/paste something they probably don't understand. Such content can be of high quality, but if we accept it as something normal, we can admit that the age of humans is over and that the age of AI thoughts is beginning.

Imagine the situation that in x years you come to the forum and start looking for old members, and you only find a bunch of unknown accounts discussing some crazy things - only to realize later that they are not actually people, but AI bots that respond to each other literally every 5 seconds

AI like ChatGPT only chats with the customer so if you copy any post from here or copy any information and post it here, it is almost impossible to copy the reference link for it, in this case the user can only screenshot it and post its image link.  However, I don't think that would make any sense. Google has almost all kinds of information but from here you have to take a little trouble to find that information but from here you can read the article and know its proper information and post its reference link here. But very little need to post a reference link of any information.  Because, your talent is enough to post here

AI posting should be treated just the same way as plagiarism because i see it as cheating the system, other campaign participants and fellow forum users. The main aim of banning users for plagiarism is to encourage authenticity and promote personal works and effort. If one must use AI to post, they should include reference to how the generated their post, Just the same way it is applicable to posting peoples work we provide links to their post.

Imagine every forum user uses AI generated posts to make threads, comments and replies, it will end up becoming a hall of spam and junk for the aim of hitting weekly quota and making post count. Also the merit system will be abused as well because it will be giving to people who don't deserve it.

Using AI is another advance way of making manipulations aimed at cheating others which should be unacceptable at any professional settings like this that has adequate moderacy, there's a campaign as well that promise to pay any one who could hunt down any of their participant found using AI to tell you it's something that could harm alot of things from the normal way it should be, how will you feels if you contact some and get a response from a programmed artificial intelligence bot.

Plagiarism is a legal offense and can throw you to jail,if you are found guilty because you stole someone work to claim that it is yours. These are two offenses,stealing and lying,which I see a good reason why its penalty is permanent banned and I support it.

Forum members using Chatbot to generate post shouldn't be a severe punishment because it was done by AI which is welcome in our society,it is only that the information was not from the poster's knowledge but readers can learn something from it. I accept the punishment for using posting AI generated post which is that campaign managers should kick them out of the campaign without pay. If this is done always,I guess it will make people using it to stop it,if not they will not get a signature campaign

Has anyone seen this?

Introducing Microsoft 365 Copilot | Your Copilot for Work (YouTube)

Introducing Microsoft 365 Copilot – your copilot for work (blog)

Microsoft: 365 Copilot chatbot is the AI-based future of work

We recently started talking about Chat gpt3 and now we have version 4 which is integrated into Microsoft's 365 copilot. From now on it will be used massively to write Word documents or to create a PowerPoint that you can just check after created

It seems to me that in the forum we will continue mowing by hand while the rest of the world will enthusiastically start using the mowing machine.

Technically it is, we have lots of  questions been asked daily and AI could be programmed to answer those questions as they're been asked. They can also be programed to provide links to the source where the got the information from. If this is done then the forum won't consider it plagiarism right? Of course not so an AI account can get away with that. This can even be ongoing and the account might go unnoticed for a while but will eventually be identified as an AI account since all the posts will be looking similar (providing answer to a quest been asked with links to sources).

Provided an AI provides the source to where she got the answers been supplied to the questions been asked, we can't call that plagiarism although I don't think any manager will accept such account into their campaign since it'll be unethical paying someone for just copy pasting answers already existing on the internet without adding any personal thoughts/reasoning to it.

I have seen a lot of content creators on youtube about AI, but most of them are just clickbait in the title. Notice that in the various channels you will find on the utube platform.

    For example in the Thumbnail it says you can earn 1000$ using AIchatgpt, but when you watch it the content is very far from the title made in the thumbnail. It seems like it's really just for views, AI chatgpt was only used for influencers to make money,

In my opinion the use of artificial intelligence should not be recommended here on the forum, although it should not be considered a crime anyway.

The use of AI will make it difficult to distinguish between members who already have experience and members who rely solely on AI to write their posts.

This case can be likened to using a calculator in children. Making children use a calculator to perform simple arithmetic operations will lead to a decrease in the student's use of his mental skill, which leads to a negative result. We can say that this is the same for the use of artificial intelligence.

I see that many people have agreed that something needs to be done about AI posting in the forum. AI is good for usage and not a crime, but in a discussion forum like this, we agreed it is unethical to use AI.
Then even the admin and moderators are in agreement that AI isn't accepted in the forum. Then AI generated posts are also being reported to moderators for deletion.
Let's therefore wait for the admin when they will come up with cogent rule about AI posting in the forum. For now, our only available tool is reporting to moderators.

Albert Einstein said three things will destroy a man; technology, women and gambling. The advancement of technology has caused more harm than good already. We now live in a world where people don't like using natural gifted sense anymore but rely on technology to solve every of their problems. Plagiarism is stealing someone's work without Acknowledgement. AI can not receive same punishment as plagiarism in my own opinion thou.

AI posting is not acceptable in the forum because this a place for a discussion and not a QA from a bot that getting answer on the internet without stating the source on the post.

You can’t see emotion on ChatGPT post that makes them too dull for a conversation. With that being said. ChatGPT is a lazy tool if it’s being for the forum that meant for sharing opinion rather than quoting someone article which the AI is doing.

I agree with this. if you ask me, using content generated by AI and using it as yours should be considered the same as plagiarism and should have the same consequence as plagiarism.

if you are having trouble with your sentences, you are better off using Grammarly instead of AI like chatgpt. I've been using Grammarly for years now.

Useful indeed but not to the point that it is the one giving you input if you're just using it to make your idea comprehensible then it's okay but if its the one providing the idea for you then you have become its tool for promotion and this is not good we stopped being human with intelligent and just become a puppet of AI's.

As far as I understood from the decisions of the moderators, some accounts that published posts from the chatbot were deleted, and users who were completely new had their accounts destroyed. Other accounts weren't banned; they just had their AI posts removed. I can assume that those accounts that were not banned still received a temporary ban. At least, I don't see them active yet.
I agree with hilariousandco recent post that it takes time to consider a decision on AI posts; however, such posts should be reported so as not to turn the forum into a society of robots.

Or maybe he got a permanent ban for plagiarism. There was a complaint about this user right here. Either way, we don't have a specific rule about using AI tools. In principle, we don't need such a rule. For such posts (topics) you can use existing rules ( p. 1, for example).

For me, the only difference between plagiarized content and content created by AI is that the latter is harder to detect and prove without a doubt. Both should without a doubt be in the same category when it comes to punishment, because there is no justification for someone wanting to present something that he did not create as his own.

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Look here and further posts, and this shows that at least one of the forum staff takes this problem seriously and that such users will be nuked/permabanned.

Myself don't know exactly they were banned for using AI but it looks like the user https://bpip.org/Profile?p=hasan21 banned for spamming using AI tools with the reference of this thread : Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?

Because generally for spam the user will get temp ban unless they committed the mistake multiple times in the past and didn't change their posting behaviour even after temp ban but this user got permanent ban straight away correct me if I am wrong.

It should not be allowed; we have to prevent the domination of AI. Otherwise, there will be no real accounts here in the forum. If we fully rely on AI, it is like allowing robots to do the job for us, so I believe it should not be tolerated. I am not an expert in spotting AI-generated posts, so I guess every campaign manager is fully aware of this, and they are doing their best to prevent that from happening.

AI is actually useful. I have to admit, I also use it, but not to generate posts for me. Instead, I use it to correct my sentences since I'm not very good at English, as it is not my native language.

That's interesting. Are you sure the accounts you write about were banned for abusing AI tools? Can you give me one concrete example of an account that was banned for such actions? Exactly for using AI tools. I think that they were banned for other violations, because the moderators do not have a specific decision about the AI posts at the moment.

Theymos is yet to implement any rules about AI posts so as of now those are considered as spam and constantly removed when mods find it and also few members were banned for abusing AI tools to farm account and fish merits but its more of mods choice if I am not wrong.

I hope there will be an update in the forum rules regarding this, atleast it should be have some warning sign like this post is created by AI so it won't be used for abusing the campaigns.

Do you guys this there will be any changes in the rules of bitcointalk after the evolution of AI?

Well it depends on the topic. Im sure this will be hard for project managers on campaign to ruled out yhose who yaking advantage of chatgpt since then can gemerate potential content for such topic right? But it can be noticed they way someone will use the content if he can able to tweak it to avoid such plagiarism then its much better.

For me using chatgpt isnt a crime, but they make some posters to be lazy and not to do thinking on their posting but relying already on such given information.

It will depends on each campaign manager if they're want to accept AI generated post or not.

If the AI generated post is fall to off topic or spam, then the post should be deleted, most of the time moderators will not ban a user who's creating off topic or spam post. Since AI generated post is come from multiple sources, there's should be a chance the post has some similarity with the other post and it will cause him to get banned if someone discover it, just like this one https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.61761161

Do you think user who use AI will post in AI board where signature isn't visible? nope, because the reason why they're using AI is to make quick post to earn money where it's need signature is visible.

I am aware that many schools in the US and other European countries have banned the use of chatGPT to carryout assignment or projects. Infact using them can lead to expulsion in some institutions. And they are considering increasing the use of oral and written assignment and reducing take home tests. Using AI is not plagiarism because the these machines ensure they don't copy the exact words of the owner of the work but  it is cheating. I know the forum have a rule on plagiarism that is well spelt out, except the leaders of the forum includes laws on the use of chatGPT members will keep using them. I always respect members that spend their time to discover these bot post and report them.

Most topics in the forum are pretty lame anyway. You don't need the AI's opinion on those. When you are about to make a post on a serious matter, you can ask chatGPT's opinion, understand it and then repost it with your own sentences. Nobody will really notice that they are talking to an AI bot. But I think you don't need to take this forum that seriously. There isn't anything to gain. Even if you come up with the most sensible answers to the most serious questions, nobody will care.

Right now people are using chatgpt to make posts without being smart. They ask a question and copy/paste the answer without making any modifications to it. That's because people who use chatGPT to make posts don't know much of a Engrish in the first place.

It is like giving a monkey a machine gun. A soldier can use a machine gun effectively and kill lots of enemies but in the hands of a monkey you don't know who is going to be the next target because the monkey has no brains to use the gun effectively. He will just randomly press any buttons he can, shoot anything he can, sometimes himself too  ... No aim needed.

AI content is not crimes like plagiarism. Plagiarism means stealing someone's writing.  But the artificial intelligence of AI creates a content in its own way.  But AI can never create any new words, it collects information from Google or any other source, converts it into its own content with own strategy  and presents it to the customer. However, this forum declared AI posts not acceptable and added rules that no campaign  manager would accept AI posts and anyone using them would be kicked out of the campaign.  But I haven't seen any information that accounts will be banned for AI posts like Plagarism.  So of course AI content is less of a crime than plagiarism for this forum

Since catching this kind of behavior is difficult, it frankly requires awareness of the campaign participants even if there are no implicit rules. After all, the consequences of AI misuse will not only affect reputation, but account ban. So it should be avoided as much as possible regardless of being a campaign participant or not.


I doubt it's needed. To get AI answers like Chat GPT doesn't really need special access for now, so users can actually do it themselves if they want to know something.

Well, responding to a thread should be based on an individual's own opinion (what they know and what they think) and not just what an AI bot generates; it may be partially authentic or unplagiarized, but the fact is that it's not original. Plegarisim is high-offense both in the forum and outside. I remember when I did my project work in school, in my theory writings, my supervisor had to do a plagiarism check, which I successfully passed. My opinion is that those members that use AI to post should not be banned; instead, let all campaign managers introduce the law that Royse initiated so that every forum member that is wearing a signature and using AI to make their posts be disqualified and restricted from joining signature for some weeks. Also, members posting with AI tools should not be allowed to join signature campaigns. Campaign managers should make it a practice to check users posts for AI content before accepting them into their campaigns; at least that will encourage more self-expression and original content. This is just my opinion, though.

chatGPT is very popular for creating content for youtube and article blogs because it generates free not plagiarized articles and the thing is Google loves AI-generated articles it is based on their algo on how they check unique articles and I heard once Google develop software that can detect AI generated articles I'm sure they will outrank YouTube contents and blogs that mostly use generated articles.

It's not a crime but a fraud so I think AI generated shouldn't be counted on the campaign and the forum should have a strict rule about using AI because it can affect the forum in the future once they develop software to outrank who use AI generated text.

Plagiarism:
Everyone knows that Plagiarism is a crime even outside this forum. Plagiarism is frowned at in higher institutions and its consequences could be imprisonment or paying huge fine unlike the forum where the ultimate punishment for plagiarism is permanent ban.

AI posting
With the increased adoption of chatGPT, which I am personally seeing to outsmart google in just a few years, I cannot say that the use of AI is a crime.

But in the jurisdiction of Bitcointalk, do you think using bots to make or generate posts is ethical or should be acceptable?

Well, I think my answer is NO.

The essence of banning plagerists should be because of cheating, users copying others work to appear more intelligent than they are.
And the severity of the punishment is heavy when the plagiarist wear paid signatures.

If plagiarism (using others work without referencing) is a crime in this forum. It therefore means that AI posting (deceiving people to reply to automated codes thinking it's their fellow human) should also be a crime.

I can say that some campaign managers agree that it is cheating and that is why Royse777 introduced this rule


Also stake.com manager Carollzinha updated similar rule in her rules

In both cases, the punishment of the managers is to kick the defaulting participants out of the campaign.

Does it therefore lie in the hands of campaign managers to curtail the usage of AI in making posts in the forum?

If Plagiarism leads to ban, why is AI posting not leading to a ban?

Considering that any post(s), that is not well connected in meaning with a flowing conversation can be regarded as a spam. I therefore suggest that the forum make an overall rule against AI posting.

Else a board should be created for AI posting where signature does not display, incase we don't want to fight a fast evolving technology.