Topic: Playing chess online for money/bitcoins is illegal? (Read 8360 times)
Chess associations around the world united to safe guard the reputation of Chess, and not to be linked as a gambling game. I am also a Chess player, and I dont want to participate with Chess gambling activities.
IS there any place to play chess betting Bitcoins? If so, whoever can beat crazy bishop can probably make a lot of money. Using that to choose your moves seems like something every Bitcoiner would do.
More likely you'd have to beat Rybka, Fritz, or whatever software your opponent is using to play against you.
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This has been a problem for more than 3+ years. I don't see how you can remove the problem of bots/engines in online chess.
If you do manage to do it, it would be revolutionary.
Yeah, smart bots will always win at chess and therefore betting with chess online isn't really a good idea. I'm not sure there is any good way to verify you aren't playing with a bot or someone using a bot to pick their moves. At least when playing a game like poker, your cards are hidden so bots can't always analyze the best move as they can in chess.
IS there any place to play chess betting Bitcoins? If so, whoever can beat crazy bishop can probably make a lot of money. Using that to choose your moves seems like something every Bitcoiner would do.
More likely you'd have to beat Rybka, Fritz, or whatever software your opponent is using to play against you.
We're going to solve this problem and revolutionize the chess game online for money. Check this out http://chessmillionaires.com and subscribe if you're interested. Cheers
This has been a problem for more than 3+ years. I don't see how you can remove the problem of bots/engines in online chess.
If you do manage to do it, it would be revolutionary.
IS there any place to play chess betting Bitcoins? If so, whoever can beat crazy bishop can probably make a lot of money. Using that to choose your moves seems like something every Bitcoiner would do.
More likely you'd have to beat Rybka, Fritz, or whatever software your opponent is using to play against you.
We're going to solve this problem and revolutionize the chess game online for money. Check this out http://chessmillionaires.com and subscribe if you're interested. Cheers
~this ain't no cake walk!!! 
how can anyone play chess online for money surely you can just use computers to play for you so its just who has the best computer player.
This is a good point.
You are a debt slave this means anytime you spend money and do not pay tax it is HIGHLY Illegal.
Now remeber just because it is Illegal does not mean it is "evil".
Now remeber just because it is Illegal does not mean it is "evil".
I also found on Yahoo answers a question where the person said he made over $1000 on PlayE4 chess but couldn't withdraw the money because playing chess for money is illegal in Washington state.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090210183008AADK6Dy
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090210183008AADK6Dy
Your right. The only solution is change residence of your location to allowed State and then request the withdraw
Can you point to which Washington law disallows playing skilled games for money? As well as point to which law in those states that disallow playing skilled games for money. I tried searching but couldn't find anything.
The host could take some steps if they were inclined to do more in Washington State.
Provided "bitcoins" are determined to be "merchandise" and not "money"
There is a process for being authorized in Washington State to host "Amusement Games" provided it is hosted for some social good (the hoster has to have some charitable purpose):
The full law for Washington State is here:
[Suspicious link removed]gc.wa.gov/rules/rules_manual_1211.pdf
The relevant part is here:
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RCW 9.46.0201
"Amusement game."
"Amusement game," as used in this chapter, means a game played for entertainment in which:
(1) The contestant actively participates;
(2) The outcome depends in a material degree upon the skill of the contestant;
(3) Only merchandise prizes are awarded;
(4) The outcome is not in the control of the operator;
(5) The wagers are placed, the winners are determined, and a distribution of prizes or property is made in the presence of all persons placing wagers at such game; and
(6) Said game is conducted or operated by any agricultural fair, person, association, or organization in such manner and at such locations as may be authorized by rules and regulations adopted by the commission pursuant to this chapter as now or hereafter amended.
Cake walks as commonly known and fish ponds as commonly known shall be treated as amusement games for all purposes under this chapter.
[1987 c 4 § 2. Formerly RCW 9.46.020(1), part.]
bitcoin cakewalk! *nice
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cakewalk_(carnival_game)
Who's up for a Bitcoin Cake Walk?
NEXT SATOSHI SQUARE ===> IT'S ON FOOL!!!
LOL 
I also found on Yahoo answers a question where the person said he made over $1000 on PlayE4 chess but couldn't withdraw the money because playing chess for money is illegal in Washington state.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090210183008AADK6Dy
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090210183008AADK6Dy
Your right. The only solution is change residence of your location to allowed State and then request the withdraw
Can you point to which Washington law disallows playing skilled games for money? As well as point to which law in those states that disallow playing skilled games for money. I tried searching but couldn't find anything.
The host could take some steps if they were inclined to do more in Washington State.
Provided "bitcoins" are determined to be "merchandise" and not "money"
There is a process for being authorized in Washington State to host "Amusement Games" provided it is hosted for some social good (the hoster has to have some charitable purpose):
The full law for Washington State is here:
[Suspicious link removed]gc.wa.gov/rules/rules_manual_1211.pdf
The relevant part is here:
=========================
RCW 9.46.0201
"Amusement game."
"Amusement game," as used in this chapter, means a game played for entertainment in which:
(1) The contestant actively participates;
(2) The outcome depends in a material degree upon the skill of the contestant;
(3) Only merchandise prizes are awarded;
(4) The outcome is not in the control of the operator;
(5) The wagers are placed, the winners are determined, and a distribution of prizes or property is made in the presence of all persons placing wagers at such game; and
(6) Said game is conducted or operated by any agricultural fair, person, association, or organization in such manner and at such locations as may be authorized by rules and regulations adopted by the commission pursuant to this chapter as now or hereafter amended.
Cake walks as commonly known and fish ponds as commonly known shall be treated as amusement games for all purposes under this chapter.
[1987 c 4 § 2. Formerly RCW 9.46.020(1), part.]
bitcoin cakewalk! *nice
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cakewalk_(carnival_game)
Who's up for a Bitcoin Cake Walk?
I also found on Yahoo answers a question where the person said he made over $1000 on PlayE4 chess but couldn't withdraw the money because playing chess for money is illegal in Washington state.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090210183008AADK6Dy
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090210183008AADK6Dy
Your right. The only solution is change residence of your location to allowed State and then request the withdraw
Can you point to which Washington law disallows playing skilled games for money? As well as point to which law in those states that disallow playing skilled games for money. I tried searching but couldn't find anything.
The host could take some steps if they were inclined to do more in Washington State.
Provided "bitcoins" are determined to be "merchandise" and not "money"
There is a process for being authorized in Washington State to host "Amusement Games" provided it is hosted for some social good (the hoster has to have some charitable purpose):
The full law for Washington State is here:
[Suspicious link removed]gc.wa.gov/rules/rules_manual_1211.pdf
The relevant part is here:
=========================
RCW 9.46.0201
"Amusement game."
"Amusement game," as used in this chapter, means a game played for entertainment in which:
(1) The contestant actively participates;
(2) The outcome depends in a material degree upon the skill of the contestant;
(3) Only merchandise prizes are awarded;
(4) The outcome is not in the control of the operator;
(5) The wagers are placed, the winners are determined, and a distribution of prizes or property is made in the presence of all persons placing wagers at such game; and
(6) Said game is conducted or operated by any agricultural fair, person, association, or organization in such manner and at such locations as may be authorized by rules and regulations adopted by the commission pursuant to this chapter as now or hereafter amended.
Cake walks as commonly known and fish ponds as commonly known shall be treated as amusement games for all purposes under this chapter.
[1987 c 4 § 2. Formerly RCW 9.46.020(1), part.]
bitcoin cakewalk! *nice
how can anyone play chess online for money surely you can just use computers to play for you so its just who has the best computer player.
it's gambling game, this is about your beliefs
I believe it is a sin.
I believe it is a sin.
Illegal, gambling is illegal...
Gambling is not illegal in most places in the US. It is highly regulated and games must be considered to be fair and the house edge should not be excessive. 
No idea on the legality of it, but how would competitive chess work? How could you be sure you were not up against decent computer software (or somebody assisted by decent computer software)?
Illegal, gambling is illegal...
Gambling is not illegal in most places in the US. It is highly regulated and games must be considered to be fair and the house edge should not be excessive.
VelocityChess is a new chess site that allows you to play chess for bit coins! I highly suggest checking it out 
www.velocitychess.com
www.velocitychess.com
Illegal, gambling is illegal...
Only in few U.S. states. In most countries of the world games of skills are not considered gambling at all.
Illegal, gambling is illegal...
How would people like Bobby Fischer have made a living if playing Chess for money is illegal?
They play in physical brick & mortar locations.
The chessmoney.com website faq says that some states disallow online gaming for money even if the game is purely skill based and has no random chance. It lists the following states as disallowing playing chess for money: Arizona, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Iowa, Illinois, Kentucky, Louisana, Maryland, Missouri, South Carolina, Nevada, Ohio, Washington and Vermont.
https://www.chessmoney.com/cm/main?page=faq#faq11
I also found on Yahoo answers a question where the person said he made over $1000 on PlayE4 chess but couldn't withdraw the money because playing chess for money is illegal in Washington state.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090210183008AADK6Dy
Can anyone confirm if these statements are correct, wrong, or misleading? Also it would be interesting to ask the same questions about bitcoin instead of money.
https://www.chessmoney.com/cm/main?page=faq#faq11
I also found on Yahoo answers a question where the person said he made over $1000 on PlayE4 chess but couldn't withdraw the money because playing chess for money is illegal in Washington state.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090210183008AADK6Dy
Can anyone confirm if these statements are correct, wrong, or misleading? Also it would be interesting to ask the same questions about bitcoin instead of money.
How would people like Bobby Fischer have made a living if playing Chess for money is illegal?
IS there any place to play chess betting Bitcoins? If so, whoever can beat crazy bishop can probably make a lot of money. Using that to choose your moves seems like something every Bitcoiner would do.
More likely you'd have to beat Rybka, Fritz, or whatever software your opponent is using to play against you.
Only crazy bishop is open source, and french too, so every bitcoiner will use it over all others.
Fruit, RobboLito, Igorrit, IvanHoe, FireBird and Fire and a number of other engines are open source as well. I'm not familiar with Crazy Bishop. In competitions where money is involved it is safest to assume people are going to be cheating. The people cheating are also probably going to at some point invest in the best tools for cheating... This sort of cheating arms race is also why such a site would be unlikely to draw any significant coin.
Any significant bitcoin to be awarded for chess prowess is going to be awarded as it always has been with dollars, through real life tournaments and matches.
IS there any place to play chess betting Bitcoins? If so, whoever can beat crazy bishop can probably make a lot of money. Using that to choose your moves seems like something every Bitcoiner would do.
More likely you'd have to beat Rybka, Fritz, or whatever software your opponent is using to play against you.
Only crazy bishop is open source, and french too, so every bitcoiner will use it over all others.
IS there any place to play chess betting Bitcoins? If so, whoever can beat crazy bishop can probably make a lot of money. Using that to choose your moves seems like something every Bitcoiner would do.
More likely you'd have to beat Rybka, Fritz, or whatever software your opponent is using to play against you.
IS there any place to play chess betting Bitcoins? If so, whoever can beat crazy bishop can probably make a lot of money. Using that to choose your moves seems like something every Bitcoiner would do.
On some states/country's it is illegal but in most it is legal.
I also found on Yahoo answers a question where the person said he made over $1000 on PlayE4 chess but couldn't withdraw the money because playing chess for money is illegal in Washington state.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090210183008AADK6Dy
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090210183008AADK6Dy
Your right. The only solution is change residence of your location to allowed State and then request the withdraw
Can you point to which Washington law disallows playing skilled games for money? As well as point to which law in those states that disallow playing skilled games for money. I tried searching but couldn't find anything.
The host could take some steps if they were inclined to do more in Washington State.
Provided "bitcoins" are determined to be "merchandise" and not "money"
There is a process for being authorized in Washington State to host "Amusement Games" provided it is hosted for some social good (the hoster has to have some charitable purpose):
The full law for Washington State is here:
http://www.wsgc.wa.gov/rules/rules_manual_1211.pdf
The relevant part is here:
=========================
RCW 9.46.0201
"Amusement game."
"Amusement game," as used in this chapter, means a game played for entertainment in which:
(1) The contestant actively participates;
(2) The outcome depends in a material degree upon the skill of the contestant;
(3) Only merchandise prizes are awarded;
(4) The outcome is not in the control of the operator;
(5) The wagers are placed, the winners are determined, and a distribution of prizes or property is made in the presence of all persons placing wagers at such game; and
(6) Said game is conducted or operated by any agricultural fair, person, association, or organization in such manner and at such locations as may be authorized by rules and regulations adopted by the commission pursuant to this chapter as now or hereafter amended.
Cake walks as commonly known and fish ponds as commonly known shall be treated as amusement games for all purposes under this chapter.
[1987 c 4 § 2. Formerly RCW 9.46.020(1), part.]
I also found on Yahoo answers a question where the person said he made over $1000 on PlayE4 chess but couldn't withdraw the money because playing chess for money is illegal in Washington state.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090210183008AADK6Dy
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090210183008AADK6Dy
Your right. The only solution is change residence of your location to allowed State and then request the withdraw
Can you point to which Washington law disallows playing skilled games for money? As well as point to which law in those states that disallow playing skilled games for money. I tried searching but couldn't find anything.
I also found on Yahoo answers a question where the person said he made over $1000 on PlayE4 chess but couldn't withdraw the money because playing chess for money is illegal in Washington state.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090210183008AADK6Dy
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090210183008AADK6Dy
Your right. The only solution is change residence of your location to allowed State and then request the withdraw
Or, you could play in bitcoin? It could work...
I also found on Yahoo answers a question where the person said he made over $1000 on PlayE4 chess but couldn't withdraw the money because playing chess for money is illegal in Washington state.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090210183008AADK6Dy
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090210183008AADK6Dy
Your right. The only solution is change residence of your location to allowed State and then request the withdraw
Yes. It's gambling. Least in some places.
The chessmoney.com website faq says that some states disallow online gaming for money even if the game is purely skill based and has no random chance. It lists the following states as disallowing playing chess for money: Arizona, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Iowa, Illinois, Kentucky, Louisana, Maryland, Missouri, South Carolina, Nevada, Ohio, Washington and Vermont.
https://www.chessmoney.com/cm/main?page=faq#faq11
I also found on Yahoo answers a question where the person said he made over $1000 on PlayE4 chess but couldn't withdraw the money because playing chess for money is illegal in Washington state.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090210183008AADK6Dy
Can anyone confirm if these statements are correct, wrong, or misleading? Also it would be interesting to ask the same questions about bitcoin instead of money.
https://www.chessmoney.com/cm/main?page=faq#faq11
I also found on Yahoo answers a question where the person said he made over $1000 on PlayE4 chess but couldn't withdraw the money because playing chess for money is illegal in Washington state.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090210183008AADK6Dy
Can anyone confirm if these statements are correct, wrong, or misleading? Also it would be interesting to ask the same questions about bitcoin instead of money.
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