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legendary
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June 20, 2023, 04:33:45 PM
#46
Somethings to say, first of all i think the forum NEEDS to ban the Naims account the most fast as possible because he is going to make new accounts (or maybe he has a few more in the shadows) and its gonna send all the smerits remaining in that accounts to the farm.
Without a doubt the moderators should take a tough stance against him and ban him then look at banning his known alt-accounts too.

I think they are exploiting the generosity of some users, we can see a ton of accounts from the south asian (indonesia/Bangladesh) and Nigeria, who are making this movement of multiplir between them the merits.
There are many good members that from local boards you mentioned therefore it would be difficult to support the theory you have about merit abuse but on the subject of naim027 I think the moderators should have kept the original ban.

First they have some good or primary account, who took merits from serious post, second their have a secondary account or third account and when a pizza or pumpking event appears they op up and collect all the merits in a big ammount from very reputed merits sources.
After that they go to the "ladder" of local board and redistribuied the merits between them.

So like Naim are a few guys behind some accounts.

How you can detect them? Easy, you can see they have a very low activity but a very high merits (they have like 1 activity 1 merit rate). And when you see from where that merits comes its allways the same, pizza BTC or events related, local boards redistribution of merits, beg for merits on the threads when you can put your best posts/threads and received merits to reach X rank.

Obviusly im not putting all in the same box, i know we have some very usefull users here who makes a big effort and really good post, but for example the account of LDL i was following that account for farming a lot of merits, and ended up being one more account of naim......

So in resume their break the rule of not share merits between your own accounts and also exploit the generosity of the communitty to give them merits in the contests.
You are right they have been exploiting the generosity of the community for far too long but as long as the process of banning and then possibly removing the ban on appeal is concerned, it gives hope to account farmers that even their banned accounts stand a small chance of reprieve.

Thank you for not putting all members that are posting particular threads (and in particular boards) in the same box.
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June 20, 2023, 12:55:01 PM
#45
it is your subjective opinion.

Yes.  I have opinions and write them on the internet.  That's what I do.

My opinion is that this thread is misplaced, but I'm not losing any sleep over it.  I haven't reported the thread, and I don't plan to.  I've expressed my opinion, and now I'll crawl back under my trollbridge and wait for the next opportunity to express other unpopular opinions.
legendary
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June 20, 2023, 12:42:11 PM
#44
That qualification you make when you join Royse777 "and/or his cohorts" is a subjective opinion at best.

Sorry, I don't know what this statement means. 

What I want to say is that I have long since left the issue with Royse777 on my part and wasting time on it, and if you want I will explain privately why, because here it would be off topic, but basically it has to do with I think that indeed a client of his told him that I had contacted him to badmouth him and tell him not to work with him. But I did not contact any of his clients. So, I understand his position better.

So, when you arbitrarily make a selection of threads and you you say that I opened 5 out of 20 about Royse777 with others that you relate to him saying that they are his "cohorts", you are making a subjective interpretation, it is your subjective opinion.

Because the truth is that I let it go some time ago. Tell me if this what I wrote yesterday looks like a vendetta or if I really want to argue with him:

Regarding this, first: have you noticed that our discussions are of no interest to anyone?  Cheesy
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June 20, 2023, 12:34:38 PM
#43
That qualification you make when you join Royse777 "and/or his cohorts" is a subjective opinion at best.

Sorry, I don't know what this statement means.  Is this in reference to me escrowing fund for one of Royse's projects?  If so that's kind of a tenuous connection (at best,) and deflecting from my comment about why this thread is Meta.  I'm not here to defend anyone, or argue for or against any one specific person's ban.  That would be a discussion I would have in the Reputation board, if I chose to.

Regardless, none of what you said changes the fact that this thread is full of comments that pertain to the reputation of one individual, and that makes it appear to be misplaced to me.   If you want to have a discussion about the rules themselves, how they are applied, and what exceptions exist then it would be best to keep that discussion separate from how the mods and admins have handled one specific situation.
legendary
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June 20, 2023, 12:13:25 PM
#42
Where do you think a thread asking for a ban should be?

This is not a thread about naim027's reputation

It seems you have already figured out where I think this thread belongs.

Of course. That's why I created it here. And if it has been here for more than half a year in view of all the moderators and a lot of users who do not take a minute to report threads especially in this section, I have a good reason to think that belongs here.

The unofficial rules don't really specify what offenses qualify for a ban, so this is a subjective opinion at best.

Fine.

...but this thread can be seen as an embarrassment from another perspective:  At least 5 of the last 20 threads you've started are on the subject of Royse777 and/or his cohorts.  I think you may be spending too much time on the subject, and it's looking very much like you have a vendetta.

That qualification you make when you join Royse777 "and/or his cohorts" is a subjective opinion at best. And no, I haven't been spending much time on the subject for a while. FYI, the last one I opened at Royse777's request:

Go a create a new topic about it. You will have me there.

FYI as well, he was the one starting the argument this time.

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June 20, 2023, 11:57:03 AM
#41
Where do you think a thread asking for a ban should be?

This is not a thread about naim027's reputation

It seems you have already figured out where I think this thread belongs.

it is a thread asking for the ban of someone who ban evaded with several alts when he was banned, of which there is no doubt, as he confessed it himself.

The unofficial rules don't really specify what offenses qualify for a ban, so this is a subjective opinion at best.

That was the initial intention of the thread. I have now moved on to asking for explanations as to why the rules are not being followed in such a blatant case, the silence for an answer being embarrassing.

Maybe naim027 has photos of theymos urinating on Russian hookers?  That would be embarrassing, but this thread can be seen as an embarrassment from another perspective:  At least 5 of the last 20 threads you've started are on the subject of Royse777 and/or his cohorts.  I think you may be spending too much time on the subject, and it's looking very much like you have a vendetta.
legendary
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June 19, 2023, 10:53:23 PM
#40
Why is this thread still in the Meta board?

Where do you think a thread asking for a ban should be?

This is not a thread about naim027's reputation, it is a thread asking for the ban of someone who ban evaded with several alts when he was banned, of which there is no doubt, as he confessed it himself.

That was the initial intention of the thread. I have now moved on to asking for explanations as to why the rules are not being followed in such a blatant case, the silence for an answer being embarrassing.
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June 19, 2023, 08:27:50 PM
#39
Why is this thread still in the Meta board?
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June 19, 2023, 04:36:12 PM
#38
Somethings to say, first of all i think the forum NEEDS to ban the Naims account the most fast as possible because he is going to make new accounts (or maybe he has a few more in the shadows) and its gonna send all the smerits remaining in that accounts to the farm.

I think they are exploiting the generosity of some users, we can see a ton of accounts from the south asian (indonesia/Bangladesh) and Nigeria, who are making this movement of multiplir between them the merits.


First they have some good or primary account, who took merits from serious post, second their have a secondary account or third account and when a pizza or pumpking event appears they op up and collect all the merits in a big ammount from very reputed merits sources.
After that they go to the "ladder" of local board and redistribuied the merits between them.

So like Naim are a few guys behind some accounts.

How you can detect them? Easy, you can see they have a very low activity but a very high merits (they have like 1 activity 1 merit rate). And when you see from where that merits comes its allways the same, pizza BTC or events related, local boards redistribution of merits, beg for merits on the threads when you can put your best posts/threads and received merits to reach X rank.

Obviusly im not putting all in the same box, i know we have some very usefull users here who makes a big effort and really good post, but for example the account of LDL i was following that account for farming a lot of merits, and ended up being one more account of naim......

So in resume their break the rule of not share merits between your own accounts and also exploit the generosity of the communitty to give them merits in the contests.
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June 19, 2023, 03:46:59 PM
#37
Either way, the issue here is ban evasion with alt accounts.  Perhaps the moderators don't think there's enough evidence to link naim023 to John Abraham and any other account(s) believed to be connected to him?  The blockchain transactions were proof enough for me, but mods might choose to be extremely prudent when making a judgement like that.  I don't know, but I'd really like to hear one or more of them chime in.

I will also like to hear from the moderators. I am assuming if there is an unsaid rule that anyone whose ban is lifted cannot be banned again. On a second thought it seems that naim027 ban case is more than 6 months, hence every moderator is reluctant to revisit it.
Also, in law there is what is called "Stare decisis". This enables the court not to go against its previous ruling or decisions. This doctrine obligates the court to align so well with their previous verdict. Moderators having unbanned naim027, banning him again could contradict their previous decisions, hence the silence.

Apart from this thread, I have also read where BlackHatCoiner requested that franky1 be banned but nothing has happened.
He's not being accused of plagiarism or ban evasion AFAIK, just being very loud with his opinions, and there's been talk of him spreading misinformation--and correct me if I'm wrong, as I haven't been following that drama.  I seriously doubt franky1 is going to get banned if it comes down to an issue of free speech.  Trolling and spamming are actionable offenses, but I don't think he's doing either of those.
I most times agree with franky1's opinions. He is loud about his opinions especially on LN. And many people do not agree with him and I think he was once banned from discussing in the technical sections of the forum. I don't know if the ban was lifted at a time.
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June 19, 2023, 03:19:00 PM
#36
Although there are so many threads of Naim027 and his alts recently, but I have never seen any allegations that he scammed someone.
Yeah, I was scratching my head there for a minute, trying to think of whether naim027 had been accused of not just being dishonest but actually scamming someone (or attempting to).  As I said a day or so ago, I don't recall ever having a problem with him personally which I would have had there been evidence of him scamming. 

Either way, the issue here is ban evasion with alt accounts.  Perhaps the moderators don't think there's enough evidence to link naim023 to John Abraham and any other account(s) believed to be connected to him?  The blockchain transactions were proof enough for me, but mods might choose to be extremely prudent when making a judgement like that.  I don't know, but I'd really like to hear one or more of them chime in.

Apart from this thread, I have also read where BlackHatCoiner requested that franky1 be banned but nothing has happened.
He's not being accused of plagiarism or ban evasion AFAIK, just being very loud with his opinions, and there's been talk of him spreading misinformation--and correct me if I'm wrong, as I haven't been following that drama.  I seriously doubt franky1 is going to get banned if it comes down to an issue of free speech.  Trolling and spamming are actionable offenses, but I don't think he's doing either of those.
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June 19, 2023, 01:18:03 PM
#35
++++++++++100
This guy is one of the biggest scammers and I feel it would be some time he would come up with another alt account. The problem we would encounter at that time would be to determine whether those alts are related to this individual. It is high time that the BMs rethink before hiring someone from that local board.

You should know the difference between someone having multiple accounts and a scammer. Although there are so many threads of Naim027 and his alts recently, but I have never seen any allegations that he scammed someone. So, in matters like you talk with facts.
I have read that he has many alts but I do not also know if he cheated any signature campaign with his alts. Some people here could be worse than Naim027 just because they aren't bursted yet.
Secondly, the sin of one man should not close doors for a whole local board. There are still good people in his locals, please do not generalise.

Meanwhile, I haven't seen moderators ban anyone because users called them out to be banned in the meta. Apart from this thread, I have also read where BlackHatCoiner requested that franky1 be banned but nothing has happened.
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June 19, 2023, 01:02:04 PM
#34
Honestly, this is a piss poor excuse for administration/moderators. It would take 1 hour max to review this case. The guy admitted his alts and ban evasion, CASE CLOSED. They fucked up unbanning him and don't wanna look foolish, or just being lazy about it.
If they thought he was that much of a problem they probably would have banned (again) him by now and added all of his known alt-accounts to the ban list too. Maybe they do not see him as too much of a nuisance but I would request they re-evaluate their decision.

Bump.

Honestly, this is a piss poor excuse for administration/moderators. It would take 1 hour max to review this case. The guy admitted his alts and ban evasion, CASE CLOSED. They fucked up unbanning him and don't wanna look foolish, or just being lazy about it.

Why does everyone act like admins and mods are toooooo busy and running multi billion dollar corporations? Most are regular people not too busy doing much of anything.

I agree 100%.

Mods, theymos, we are still waiting for a reply on why the rules have not been applied in this case. He is now engaged, again, in trying to manipulate people in the Reputation section. As if it wasn't enough that when he gets banned he continues to create alts, to leave his main account active and go around messing around even more.
I hope the moderators actually look at what is being said in these previous posts and hope they will take action because naim027 and his known alt-accounts are not productive to the wider community.
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June 15, 2023, 09:22:35 AM
#33
Bump.

Honestly, this is a piss poor excuse for administration/moderators. It would take 1 hour max to review this case. The guy admitted his alts and ban evasion, CASE CLOSED. They fucked up unbanning him and don't wanna look foolish, or just being lazy about it.

Why does everyone act like admins and mods are toooooo busy and running multi billion dollar corporations? Most are regular people not too busy doing much of anything.

I agree 100%.

Mods, theymos, we are still waiting for a reply on why the rules have not been applied in this case. He is now engaged, again, in trying to manipulate people in the Reputation section. As if it wasn't enough that when he gets banned he continues to create alts, to leave his main account active and go around messing around even more.

++++++++++100
This guy is one of the biggest scammers and I feel it would be some time he would come up with another alt account. The problem we would encounter at that time would be to determine whether those alts are related to this individual. It is high time that the BMs rethink before hiring someone from that local board.
legendary
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June 14, 2023, 10:21:46 AM
#32
Bump.

Honestly, this is a piss poor excuse for administration/moderators. It would take 1 hour max to review this case. The guy admitted his alts and ban evasion, CASE CLOSED. They fucked up unbanning him and don't wanna look foolish, or just being lazy about it.

Why does everyone act like admins and mods are toooooo busy and running multi billion dollar corporations? Most are regular people not too busy doing much of anything.

I agree 100%.

Mods, theymos, we are still waiting for a reply on why the rules have not been applied in this case. He is now engaged, again, in trying to manipulate people in the Reputation section. As if it wasn't enough that when he gets banned he continues to create alts, to leave his main account active and go around messing around even more.
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January 15, 2023, 09:48:33 AM
#31
Bump.

Is anyone going to give any explanation as to why this scum is still freely on the forum without being permabanned? I guess not.

I want to remind people he repeatedly broke the rules including the one about using alts while he was banned, which we found out shortly after he was unbanned.



I guess it is about the usual time moderators take to review cases? (We just ended a Christmas season, btw)
I have noticed it may take some time to give a look on individual cases of bans and appeals, and I don't blame them, moderation work can be harsh.

There is also a little chance that whoever is in charge on this case in particular believes the red tags are enough of a punishment, in the end, even if he was banned, nothing would stop a banned user to use a new alt account.


Honestly, this is a piss poor excuse for administration/moderators. It would take 1 hour max to review this case. The guy admitted his alts and ban evasion, CASE CLOSED. They fucked up unbanning him and don't wanna look foolish, or just being lazy about it.

Why does everyone act like admins and mods are toooooo busy and running multi billion dollar corporations? Most are regular people not too busy doing much of anything.
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January 14, 2023, 11:12:56 PM
#30
Poker Player, take this jerk as a forum buffoon. He really has a lot of negativity in his trust, so whenever he spits something out, no one will take him seriously but will only give him an additional cuff or a kick. He probably needs this, since all smart people do not see or hear him. I noticed that he is also ignored by you, and if the moderators do not ban his account, then let him get his portion of kicks; he needs them so much.
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January 14, 2023, 08:26:06 PM
#29
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For the record, I am not obviously suggesting that things like these are supposed to be ignored and those who break the rules are to be given a free pass, they are users who have committed lesser infractions than those in this case and yet they are banned to this day. I was just trying to make sense out the fact your request has not been fulfilled yet. That's all.

I doubt anyone wants alt abusers and farmers to run around unpunished
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January 14, 2023, 12:14:46 AM
#28
There is also a little chance that whoever is in charge on this case in particular believes the red tags are enough of a punishment, in the end, even if he was banned, nothing would stop a banned user to use a new alt account.
Forum doesn't stop a banned user to create new alt account as long as it's used to create ban appeal, if they're create post outside Meta board, they're breaking the rule of "ban evasion".

Permanent banned is a must, do you really want to his new alt creating merit fishing threads in this forum?

Some are so dumb that they use the same IP, the same addresses or show other evidence that makes it easy to catch them.
I think you completely understand about "no need to being 100% honest" and "anyone will learn from a lesson"? pointing out those things will help him to hide it lol.

Anyway talking about same IP address, his alt account already get banned in the past while his other accounts are still active in this forum, is just proving how the administrators either doesn't really care with ban evasion due to IP address connection.
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January 13, 2023, 11:42:48 PM
#27
I guess it is about the usual time moderators take to review cases? (We just ended a Christmas season, btw)
I have noticed it may take some time to give a look on individual cases of bans and appeals, and I don't blame them, moderation work can be harsh.

There is also a little chance that whoever is in charge on this case in particular believes the red tags are enough of a punishment, in the end, even if he was banned, nothing would stop a banned user to use a new alt account.

I see more sense in the first part of what you say than in the second. Apart from the red tags he has done repeated plagiarism, which is cause for banning and for which he was effectively banned in the past and he used alts while banned, which is another cause for banning.

On the other hand, if we were to take into account the argument that they can always create alts, no one would ever be banned in the first place, as they can create alts, right?

Some are so dumb that they use the same IP, the same addresses or show other evidence that makes it easy to catch them.

I just feel @hilariousandco is taking his sweet lil time before he'd do the needful.

Let's hope so.
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January 13, 2023, 09:20:35 PM
#26
Bump.

Is anyone going to give any explanation as to why this scum is still freely on the forum without being permabanned? I guess not.

I want to remind people he repeatedly broke the rules including the one about using alts while he was banned, which we found out shortly after he was unbanned.



I guess it is about the usual time moderators take to review cases? (We just ended a Christmas season, btw)
I have noticed it may take some time to give a look on individual cases of bans and appeals, and I don't blame them, moderation work can be harsh.

There is also a little chance that whoever is in charge on this case in particular believes the red tags are enough of a punishment, in the end, even if he was banned, nothing would stop a banned user to use a new alt account.

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January 13, 2023, 04:39:06 AM
#25
Bump.

Is anyone going to give any explanation as to why this scum is still freely on the forum without being permabanned? I guess not.

I want to remind people he repeatedly broke the rules including the one about using alts while he was banned, which we found out shortly after he was unbanned.


I understand your need to clean the forum of "scumbags" and all, because obviously the dude has flounted all the rules and is unabashedly walking the forum like he's some untouchable shit, but who knows if @hilariousandco is really not bothered about him yet since he's got all these red flags on him and if you think about it, there's more folks out there like him.
 I just feel @hilariousandco is taking his sweet lil time before he'd do the needful.
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January 13, 2023, 12:16:30 AM
#24
Bump.

Is anyone going to give any explanation as to why this scum is still freely on the forum without being permabanned? I guess not.

I want to remind people he repeatedly broke the rules including the one about using alts while he was banned, which we found out shortly after he was unbanned.

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November 05, 2022, 04:50:05 AM
#23
Eventually, I think naim027 and his known alt-accounts will be banned but there are many users still here that are not banned and they have been involved in much more drama than naim027 and his alt-accounts but in his case he was ban evading using multiple accounts (one openly trying for an unban and the others covertly trying to build trust) and for that reason hilariousandco really should rethink his decision.


If the moderators still haven't banned it, maybe they're thinking further than that. Walking around with the yoke of a scoundrel and a liar can be much worse than just walking away. Everyone knows his personality, and I think no one will fall for his speeches. Everything that he does not write on the forum will be perceived as an extra confirmation of his personality and proof of his negative tags. Plus, with his shallow soul, he's bound to show up with a different profile; do we need more Naim027?
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November 05, 2022, 12:56:22 AM
#22
If the moderators still haven't banned it, maybe they're thinking further than that. Walking around with the yoke of a scoundrel and a liar can be much worse than just walking away. Everyone knows his personality, and I think no one will fall for his speeches. Everything that he does not write on the forum will be perceived as an extra confirmation of his personality and proof of his negative tags. Plus, with his shallow soul, he's bound to show up with a different profile; do we need more Naim027?
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November 04, 2022, 05:46:09 PM
#21
There are only two pages in this thread: Hello World || Welcome back again!

It does make interesting reading to see what sort of a compulsive liar naim027 really is.

Now, maybe a stupid question, but did naim027 ever admit that those were his alt accounts? Maybe the moderators don't find the evidence convincing enough?
In any case, it would be nice if one of the moderators clarified this situation.

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November 04, 2022, 05:43:06 PM
#20
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Yes, he did.

Well, Everything is clean now.
After being exposed, the confession has zero value.
This is not only a confession but also an explanation of the story. Yes, I own all four accounts. I was Evading a ban. I tried to pretend like a new user. But I am a chilling guy who doesn't take Everything seriously. I had one account, which is this one. I created this account back in 2017. There was a time I forgot my username and created one more account, which is CryptoS0ul. It has IP ban/Evil Points, and I never logged in on that account. After I returned to the forum in 2021. I saw people have multiple accounts, and it's allowed. So, why not create another account since it's allowed? I created a Dic3l0v3r account and exchanged some merits without knowing that it's not allowed to merit your alts. Which I stopped immediately after I saw it was not allowed. After a couple of months, I accidentally exposed my alt and got two Negative feedback from DT Members to both my account. After a healthy discussion, DT members removed the tag from my naim027 account, and Dic3l0v3r still had the tag. So, its reputation is ruined.

After a few days, I thought to create AnotherAlt since Dic3l0v3r has a Negative tag. I created it and paid evil fees as well. I started posting with that account. After a few weeks, a member reported my plagiarized post, and I got perm banned. Those posts were made in my newbie days, and I was unaware of the rules. I created a ban appeal thread and got some community support, while others opposed it. I have sent too many emails to theymos and others. I knocked them on Discord and everywhere I know. I got no reply from Administration. At that time, I lost hope and thought I wouldn't get unbanned anymore. While I was trying to explain to the community what had happened. Some forum members were attacking me personally on the ban appeal thread. I was frustrated and thought I could keep posting with AnotherAlt and see what happened. I had many things to learn from the community, and I used anotheralt to learn some technical things about bitcoin and Bitcoin Full node/core and other things. I knew that I was evading the ban. I never thought I would get unbanned since no Mods responded to me anywhere. I was hopeless. That was the reason for the Ban Evading.

Sorry for lying. I was trying to deny everything not to get banned again. But I am not smart enough like others. I can't pretend like someone else. I am mine. Being me gives me inner peace. I feel guilty for what I did. In the meantime, I am not looking for sympathy from the community. I want to face the truth and reality. I can sleep much better now.

I never thought I would get unbanned. When I saw Cyrus knew about my ban Appeal, I was already evading the ban. Special thanks to Cyrus.
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November 04, 2022, 05:15:46 PM
#19
Now, maybe a stupid question, but did naim027 ever admit that those were his alt accounts? Maybe the moderators don't find the evidence convincing enough?
In any case, it would be nice if one of the moderators clarified this situation.
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November 04, 2022, 01:46:04 PM
#18
It is clear that by now both theymos and the moderators have seen this thread, and for some reason have not banned him again.

I am not going to insist too much, because it is clear to me that according to the forum rules he should be banned again and that unban him was a mistake. This is not a case of scams, which are not moderated in the forum. It is a case of clear and repeated breaking of the rules.

If they are not going to ban him again, there must be some reason that they could explain, but it seems to me that this is going to be another case like those of plagiarism in which people ask a lot of questions and there is no answer.

Give them a few days. It's common for people to open a forum thread only to reply to it much later (if at all) because of a busy schedule. I know I do that sometimes, so I wouldn't be surprised if that's how hilariousandco is as well.
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November 04, 2022, 12:39:17 PM
#17
I have no idea why naim027 and his alt-accounts have not been banned but there might be reasons why action has not been taken by moderators. We cannot be sure who has seen the thread and who has not.

Well. A thread in Meta with the word "scumbag" in the title, I'm pretty sure it's been seen by most of them, including theymos.
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November 04, 2022, 12:09:33 PM
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-snip-
Are any of his alt account evading ban? I didn't quite follow up this case. Maybe the Mod is as confused as I am. Chil me in. Last time I checked, the Mods hardly ever gave explanations; they only took actions. I still have a lot of reports unhandled, but I understand they are human, so I stopped asking for explanations and just kept reporting..

If you want to have a good enough idea of what happened you can just check this thread from some days ago.

I stumbled on it by pure chance while I was lurking around and what I thought it would be a friendly welcoming thread turned into an investigation one full of drama, a huge plot twist. It is a pity, in my opinion.

I am afraid this case in particular will make harder for other people (who may actually be worth a second chance) to get unbanned after waiting months for their case to be reviewed.
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November 04, 2022, 11:50:31 AM
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It is clear that by now both theymos and the moderators have seen this thread, and for some reason have not banned him again.

I am not going to insist too much, because it is clear to me that according to the forum rules he should be banned again and that unban him was a mistake. This is not a case of scams, which are not moderated in the forum. It is a case of clear and repeated breaking of the rules.

If they are not going to ban him again, there must be some reason that they could explain, but it seems to me that this is going to be another case like those of plagiarism in which people ask a lot of questions and there is no answer.
Are any of his alt account evading ban? I didn't quite follow up this case. Maybe the Mod is as confused as I am. Chil me in. Last time I checked, the Mods hardly ever gave explanations; they only took actions. I still have a lot of reports unhandled, but I understand they are human, so I stopped asking for explanations and just kept reporting..
 
I have no idea why naim027 and his alt-accounts have not been banned but there might be reasons why action has not been taken by moderators. We cannot be sure who has seen the thread and who has not.

Since it was hilariousandco that unbanned him, maybe it will be an idea to contact him directly to review his decision.

No topic in the Meta get passed theymos and the moderators. I have no doubt that hilariousandco is aware of this issue and has made a decision or is still debating it. However, I concur that sending a PM as you suggested is perfectly acceptable.
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November 04, 2022, 11:17:32 AM
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I have no idea why naim027 and his alt-accounts have not been banned but there might be reasons why action has not been taken by moderators. We cannot be sure who has seen the thread and who has not.

Since it was hilariousandco that unbanned him, maybe it will be an idea to contact him directly to review his decision.





It is clear that by now both theymos and the moderators have seen this thread, and for some reason have not banned him again.

I am not going to insist too much, because it is clear to me that according to the forum rules he should be banned again and that unban him was a mistake. This is not a case of scams, which are not moderated in the forum. It is a case of clear and repeated breaking of the rules.

If they are not going to ban him again, there must be some reason that they could explain, but it seems to me that this is going to be another case like those of plagiarism in which people ask a lot of questions and there is no answer.

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November 04, 2022, 10:46:03 AM
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It is clear that by now both theymos and the moderators have seen this thread, and for some reason have not banned him again.

I am not going to insist too much, because it is clear to me that according to the forum rules he should be banned again and that unban him was a mistake. This is not a case of scams, which are not moderated in the forum. It is a case of clear and repeated breaking of the rules.

If they are not going to ban him again, there must be some reason that they could explain, but it seems to me that this is going to be another case like those of plagiarism in which people ask a lot of questions and there is no answer.
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November 03, 2022, 06:57:48 AM
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Naim027 had a negative review before this whole story. But very influential people were on his side and did not believe Grin, or even wanted to believe, that he was a very twisty snake who could lie with eye contact and without blinking. In such cases, you need to deviate from the rules and assess the situation in full. It's a shame that this idiot managed to fool so many. And do not flatter yourself with the thought that he will leave the forum. I am sure that he already has clean alternate accounts that he will carefully hide. Being such a hardened liar is a calling, and the forum will have to endure it until Naim027 himself gets tired of it.
You made a very appropriately worded post. I think you were the first to tag him red and that was a long time back very around in early 2022 and that was for merit abuse. Am I right?

The problem with some of the so-called influential people you refer to is that half of the time they are like sheep, they listen to one narrative and because it is repeated again and again they tend to believe it. The other times, they tend to push an agenda because it gives them some of control regardless of how much they believe in it.

And yes, I agree with you when you say he is already using clean accounts because with him being a compulsive liar and a greedy individual he will not be able to keep away as he aims to join more signature campaigns.

Well, better late than never. He fooled me too, although I stopped believing in him when others were still defending him. You can see that he has a special ability to manipulate people.
I mostly took his comments with caution but it was clear there were many vouching for him in his ban appeal thread that was created by his aptly named Dic3L0v3r alt-account. I never understood why there was that level the sympathy and sentiment as well as goodwill shown by some members towards naim027 and his alt-accounts. Some of those members were (as lovesmayfamilis called them) very influential people and they were also duped by him.

But as I said, we all make mistakes, the important thing is to realize it and correct it.
You took appropriate steps as you saw fit to correct what you saw as a mistake and nobody should hold that against you. Now that you have started this thread I hope it gains enough traction which would lead on to a permanent ban for all his known accounts:

naim027
AnotherAlt
Crypt0S0ul
and the aptly named Dic3L0v3r
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November 03, 2022, 12:33:44 AM
#11
Naim027 had a negative review before this whole story. But very influential people were on his side and did not believe Grin, or even wanted to believe, that he was a very twisty snake who could lie with eye contact and without blinking. In such cases, you need to deviate from the rules and assess the situation in full. It's a shame that this idiot managed to fool so many. And do not flatter yourself with the thought that he will leave the forum. I am sure that he already has clean alternate accounts that he will carefully hide. Being such a hardened liar is a calling, and the forum will have to endure it until Naim027 himself gets tired of it.

Well, better late than never. He fooled me too, although I stopped believing in him when others were still defending him. You can see that he has a special ability to manipulate people.

In his ban appeal thread we can see how I stopped believing in him:

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  • Quote from: icopress on July 22, 2022, 01:56:02 AM
    He could easily create a new account and not tell anyone about it, and he could keep the money for himself. But he didn't.
Quote from: Poker Player
You do not know if he has created another account and is building it up with another IP, apart from trying to recover this one. You have no way of checking.

Btw icopress did he write you a PM to come to this thread to give your opinion? Because he has written to me, and I doubt I am the only one he has written to. I also doubt if it is even allowed to send these PMs when you have been banned.

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I'm surprised you have trust in him, The Pharmacist. I had it and stopped having it in view of the evidence, but I respect your opinion.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60608570

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60619902

But as I said, we all make mistakes, the important thing is to realize it and correct it.
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November 03, 2022, 12:18:25 AM
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Naim027 had a negative review before this whole story. But very influential people were on his side and did not believe Grin, or even wanted to believe, that he was a very twisty snake who could lie with eye contact and without blinking. In such cases, you need to deviate from the rules and assess the situation in full. It's a shame that this idiot managed to fool so many. And do not flatter yourself with the thought that he will leave the forum. I am sure that he already has clean alternate accounts that he will carefully hide. Being such a hardened liar is a calling, and the forum will have to endure it until Naim027 himself gets tired of it.
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November 02, 2022, 07:30:06 PM
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OMG 😱
I can't believe my eyes rn. So y'all mean that Anotheralt is Naim's alt?? Cryt0S0ul too? Gosh..!!!! I mean, didn't he pretend to be scam-busting with cryt0S0ul? Reporting cases similar to his, flaunting this board with series of suspicions and peeps stood by his discretions? Ohhhhh C'm onnn..
That dude evaded his ban and created an alt, with which he Applied in rollbit, roobet? or maybe I'm lost somewhere??. I haven't really seen cases like this; where users are ghastly ungrateful,...that which has prompted him into an incredulous dissatisfaction. Look, I read that scrapped junk; was he trying to be more unpleasant or ....uhm.. something?? Why did he falsify the whole thing in the first place? ...and why did he decide to let everyone know his nefariousness now? When the cat had been let outta the sack already? .... This gon' be Incessantly driven. Needless to permaban those accounts .

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Please do not be too surprised because many things have happened in this forum over the years, it is all part of the drama. Yes he did pretend to catch alt-accounts belonging to other users but that was part of the facade to fool people in to thinking he was a regular member with no ulterior motive.

It is clear that skulduggery, threats, cliques, trolls, scams, scammers, alt-accounts and sock-puppets along with attention-seeking hate-driven lowlifes have infested the forum but there are also members here that are countering them because they are genuine, helpful, informative and generous.

Put this is way, if one day the signature campaigns are removed from the forum, there will probably be just a tiny minority that will frequent here.

No matter how much the naim027 denied it, the reality was he was only in this forum (just like the vast majority) to join signature campaigns. Along with naim027, it was confirmed he used AnotherAlt, Crypt0S0ul, and the aptly named Dic3L0v3r too. There are probably others which will come to light soon.

I agree with you, the known accounts should be banned. The OP has already started this thread asking for naim027 to be banned but I would go further and ask for all of his known alt-accounts to be banned. If this thread gains enough momentum and gets spotted by a moderator, there is a possibility all 4 known accounts could be banned.

If he should be banned not because of what Poker player said. No one gets banned by expressing their opinions.
I have seen people like smoker face, paperwallet, Bitcoin SV and others express themselves as they like and they don't get banned.

He should be banned for repeatedly violating the forum rules by ban evading (while begging for an unban of his main account).

I remember noticing Crypt0S0ul from the Reputation section. These are some of the topics he started:

Does He evade Ban? Is It Sufficient Proof?
Three Connected Accounts || FanEagle - darewaller - Captain Corporate
Need Community Feedback About Exposing Old Accounts
tomos81 Changed Hands?
CPNpr Changed Hands?
Merit Abuser || Bounty Cheater || Alt farmar

And all this while he was ban evading himself. I think it says enough about the kind of person he is.
That is an excellent collection of the threads you listed, thank you.

He created those threads to gain support and respectability, it goes to show exactly what lengths naim027 would go to in order to try to fool people when he was trying to catch alt-accounts of other members. What cannot be denied is that naim027 is a compulsive liar and a drama queen and by using alt-accounts to ban evade it really should mean all his known alt-accounts should be banned permanently.
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November 02, 2022, 06:23:02 PM
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If he should be banned not because of what Poker player said. No one gets banned by expressing their opinions.
I have seen people like smoker face, paperwallet, Bitcoin SV and others express themselves as they like and they don't get banned.

He should be banned for repeatedly violating the forum rules by ban evading (while begging for an unban of his main account).

I remember noticing Crypt0S0ul from the Reputation section. These are some of the topics he started:

Does He evade Ban? Is It Sufficient Proof?
Three Connected Accounts || FanEagle - darewaller - Captain Corporate
Need Community Feedback About Exposing Old Accounts
tomos81 Changed Hands?
CPNpr Changed Hands?
Merit Abuser || Bounty Cheater || Alt farmar

And all this while he was ban evading himself. I think it says enough about the kind of person he is.
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November 02, 2022, 06:12:50 PM
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OMG 😱
I can't believe my eyes rn. So y'all mean that Anotheralt is Naim's alt?? Cryt0S0ul too? Gosh..!!!! I mean, didn't he pretend to be scam-busting with cryt0S0ul? Reporting cases similar to his, flaunting this board with series of suspicions and peeps stood by his discretions? Ohhhhh C'm onnn..
That dude evaded his ban and created an alt, with which he Applied in rollbit, roobet? or maybe I'm lost somewhere??. I haven't really seen cases like this; where users are ghastly ungrateful,...that which has prompted him into an incredulous dissatisfaction. Look, I read that scrapped junk; was he trying to be more unpleasant or ....uhm.. something?? Why did he falsify the whole thing in the first place? ...and why did he decide to let everyone know his nefariousness now? When the cat had been let outta the sack already? .... This gon' be Incessantly driven. Needless to permaban those accounts .

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November 02, 2022, 05:16:27 PM
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If I am a moderator, I will not bother myself to ban his accounts because I feel that the accounts are already useless.
The accounts cannot join any campaign.
The accounts cannot do business because they have more than 7 red tags each of them.
The only thing the person using the accounts will do is to become a troll and be attacking people. How long can he do? He will soon get tired and will abandon the accounts.

If he should be banned not because of what Poker player said. No one gets banned by expressing their opinions.
I have seen people like smoker face, paperwallet, Bitcoin SV and others express themselves as they like and they don't get banned.
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November 02, 2022, 11:49:46 AM
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naim027

To lift the ban was a mistake but I can understand it because we all make mistakes. However, not to permaban him and his alts it's an even bigger mistake.
I am glad a thread like this was made. I was thinking of compiling some links and so on to start a thread but you got there first.

I think all his known alt-accounts should be permanently banned: AnotherAlt, Crypt0S0ul, naim027, Dic3L0v3r

Yes it was, he should never have been unbanned but when he was using his alt-accounts to pump that unban request thread over and over, one of the moderators unbanned him and it sends out all the wrong signals.

What positive contribution does he make to the forum?
None, he is a complete waste of space.

Nothing. He lies, manipulates, makes people believe he is a good person and a victim of circumstances while he breaks all the rules. Today he is lecturing people in the Reputation Section:
Exactly, I read that post too. The man is a compulsive liar with serious issues.

There are many reasons to ban him, but mostly that he ban evaded repeatedly. Anyway, I am sure he will create new alts and farm them up, but at least it will cost him time and effort. And I hope he's dumb enough to get caught again.
He is too selfish and a compulsive liar therefore he will slip up and his other alt-accounts will be linked. It is quite clear he has more accounts but will they be given the time to build up and do what he primarily wants, which is to join signature campaigns.

This is almost like cryptohunter 2.0, the only difference is that he didn't red-paint everyone (yet), so the only thing we can do is wait him out until he gets bored and leaves (possibly multiple times under different accounts).
The desire on his part to join a signature campaign using multiple accounts seems to be the driving factor for him even if he has to try to lie, lie and lie again to try to get out of his own web of deceit.

He seems very determined to hang around for as long as possible and he has been logging in using more than just his naim027 account but if he ever did leave I have no doubt he would be posting inconsequential nonsense on an industrial scale before running off.
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November 02, 2022, 11:19:33 AM
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What positive contribution does he make to the forum?
I didn't notice any positive forum contribution from him, only thing he got was personal financial benefits.
I never understood why member who was unbanned was so hard to ban again by moderators, but this happened several times before.
Let's not bring cases I reported before, but I remember showing all the proof of members doing multiple ban evasion, and admins never banned him/them.
In case of naim027, he should be banned with all of his altaccounts, and I am not saying this with any hate towards him, it's just time for him to move on with his design work in some other places.
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November 02, 2022, 11:06:45 AM
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@hilariousandco: you unbanned him, and no doubt didn't know about his ban evasion. Can you right the wrong of unbanning the ban-evader? Letting him get away with this gives the wrong idea to others.
And while you're at it, shouldn't the alt-accounts that were used for ban evasion be banned too? Those are Crypt0S0ul and AnotherAlt.
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November 02, 2022, 10:38:07 AM
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This is almost like cryptohunter 2.0, the only difference is that he didn't red-paint everyone (yet), so the only thing we can do is wait him out until he gets bored and leaves (possibly multiple times under different accounts).
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November 02, 2022, 09:43:55 AM
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naim027

To lift the ban was a mistake but I can understand it because we all make mistakes. However, not to permaban him and his alts it's an even bigger mistake.

What positive contribution does he make to the forum?

Nothing. He lies, manipulates, makes people believe he is a good person and a victim of circumstances while he breaks all the rules. Today he is lecturing people in the Reputation Section:

Being on a DT Network is more demanding than becoming a Moderator/staff. I know it's not easy for someone to be a Moderator. I also believe moderators maintain many things, including how they will react to posts. I rarely see them tagging anyone. Moderators do their job with a lot of responsibility. But, When it comes to a DT member who is mentally sick, It's like a nuclear bomb. These DT members rule the forum.

There are many reasons to ban him, but mostly that he ban evaded repeatedly. Anyway, I am sure he will create new alts and farm them up, but at least it will cost him time and effort. And I hope he's dumb enough to get caught again.
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