Topic: [POLL] Should I donate the Known Alts Donation funds to Bruno's plea? (Read 1252 times)

Damn... great reply nutildah.

The votes are in and overwhelmingly users have agreed that the Known Alts funds should be donated to Bruno's Plea:



Many thanks to everyone - I am just syncing my Bitcoin block-chain and will advise the relevant TX details shortly. I also intend to lock the thread in a few days time after any discussion has occurred.

We're down to the wire now - just under 48 hours until the results are in.  Vote now, or spread the word.

The intention is good but since he's already gone then much better to keep the money for good, there are so many donation's pledge already and I think it already help the family of bruno.

So keep the money and save it for good or better give it to the contributor on known alts thread as Christmas bonus when Christmas came(Just a suggestion).

Mini bump. We're in the seven day countdown.

(Even I don't know the vote result)

You do understand that "bud" refers to a certain type of green leafy plant that is sometimes smoked and it's "bud" is traded to grow in small, well lit rooms?

When I first saw his [plead] post from a few weeks ago, my spidey senses went off making me think there was 40-60% chance this was a scam and the whole thing was a money grab - after all, this is bitcointalk.

So I did a little digging.  He made several posts several months ago (Nov/Dec I think?) that discussed the shitty situation he was in.  I don't know if it was a cry for attention because he was all alone (what a sad thing to consider), bu it was clear that he believed he was  going to die, pretty soon, OR if he (or whoever he sold his account to) was just going for a money grab with a valuable account.

He hasn't logged on since April 3rd.

We have the obituary.

We have pictures of his hospital board, bracelet and the giant gash in his skull.

Pretty sure no money has moved from any of his donation addressed since then either.


Is it possible the whole thing is a scam?    Yeah.
A more likely situation: is it possible he sold the account and someone is faking Brunos death?  Yes.
The most likely situation:  He's dead.

I think he's dead.  

Yep, great friends I am sure. Such great friends you use a fundraiser to pay for his burial plot to fight your petty interpersonal vendettas as he lays dying.

It's OK - it was a joke that went over your head.  

"I believe I was his favorite.  He always called me "bud".


Hahahahaha

It could be that in his relationship with you, Vod, Bruno was like one of those grandpas who could not remember the names of all of his grandchildren, and when he could not remember the name, he would just call them "bud."  I hate to be the one to break the news to you.   

You're a fucking idiot.

If you had bothered to do the slightest bit of research for yourself you could have confirmed it for yourself, but you'd rather shitpost about it, I can only imagine to help fill your shitpost quota. Have some decency or common sense and just shut up.

Do you believe everything you read online? It might be   to you because you might know him better than others but it's also to me as well because the first I heard of this was a couple of weeks when he started asking for money. Usually when people come here begging with a sob story people rightly jump on them and question their authenticity.


Such as, you know, actual proof. Death certificates and so on. They're usually public record. I don't know about you but somebody just saying online that someone is dead isn't going to be enough for me to say case closed. Talking to a family member wouldn't really mean anything either because like you said why would you trust them or be able to verify who they are.


No, I'm saying faking his own death isn't something I believe he did or is doing, but I'm also saying just because someone says they're dying or are dead doesn't make it so. This is all we seemingly had for paripan and then his coins go walk about when they're worth a shitload. I think it's entirely possible he isn't actually dead and many others are sceptical even though he told people he was ill so bruno's case isn't exactly ludicrous to question either.


He was in the mood to ask for people's money by writing out a lengthy thread so taking some new pictures probably isn't hard. Those pictures could have easily been sent to someone else back in December as proof for something and then that person uses them at a later date to try get some money. There's a reason why timestamps are important. Maybe he used them then to solicit donations or to try sell his account to someone? I don't know. Just to clarify, I think it's far more likely that Bruno is actually deceased, but all I'm saying is nothing that has been posted here is 100% proof to me and we certainly don't know where that money is going at least. Gleb's accounts have been in the possession of others numerous times so it's not ridiculous for someone to question this when he uses month old pictures asking for money.


Yeah, apparently when Gleb sold/tried to sell his accounts that's ok with most people here. Funny how they don't feel that way with everybody else. Somebody could have done real damage with his accounts given their prominence and rank so that's why I'm saying I could never work him out. Likes to bust scams but then also is willing to sell his account to the highest bidder that could easily facilitate them. Not cool.


If he's sold his accounts multiple times before and knows he's dying then why wouldn't he sell them or give them way? Especially when he's in need of some cash. I still don't think that's ok but I can see why someone would do that. That's all I'm saying.


Not logging into his account for a while isn't going to mean anything. What happens if someone does log into those accounts in the future? Proof he's alive? As for the obituaries, I've only seen a couple but they're on websites that anyone can create one with zero proof.


All I'm saying is I require more proof than he said she said. You could be in on any scheme or shenanigans he might have been trying for all I know. Again, it's obvious that it's more likely he is gone, but at the same time anyone looking at this objectively from the things that have been publicly posted should be able to say that it's not 100% confirmed.


Shouldn't you be thinking about this logically rather than what people vote? I'm sure people will vote yes with the best of intentions hoping the money goes to helping him or his family out in some way but they probably don't know the whole facts. If the money is going to be wasted by doing so it seems kind of pointless. If you believe nutildah and he says he knows the situation better than anybody and is advising people not to send money to the address then surely it's not a great idea to do so.


I guess I'm not as asshole after all then either:

Sorry nutildah , but I believe I was his favorite.  He always called me "bud".    That's how I am going to remember him - friendly with most jokes over my head.  

Speculating on the dead is useless.   There are many live people here that have scammed thousands of times more.   RIP BRUNO.

Thanks for your input.  As I explained in the OP the funds aren't mine.  I have separately donated $50 towards the Plead, now I would like to give back to an early scam hunter in his hour of need.  As with everything, I have no doubt at the right time the funds will be accessed.  I felt that it shouldn't be just up to the current participants of the Known Alts thread, hence the public poll.

There are two perspectives so far that you must consider if you want to donate your BTC to Bruno.

• If you want to appreciate the contribution of Bruno who has made him a highly respected member, then you must donate it without having to consider whether the funds collected can be used by his family or not. Even though you will not donate all the bitcoin you mentioned, but in reality you have appreciated him and his last wishes.
• If you want your donations to be used by his family then make sure that the funds collected in several wallets can be withdrawn and distributed to the family for the benefit of Bruno and this way is to prevent an increase in the amount of funds collected in vain

Apart from all that, you can appreciate Bruno contribution in any way as long as its good for you, the forum and many other users.

Bump - get your votes in - just ten or so days left to vote.

Some of you need to take your posts back to Bruno's Plea thread as your posts are straying from the question of the poll. I assure you I am reading every post in both threads and am taking that into consideration.

Thanks again.

 


Such as? The only thing I can think of that would satisfy you would be to talk to a family member in person, and even then, how do you know they're not lying to you? I suppose you can ask the hospice for whatever record of his death is publicly available. Again, you'll have to go there in person in order to make sure you are not receiving forged evidence.


Sounds like one of those "I'm not saying it was aliens, but it was aliens"-type deals.


Why? He went to the hospital 3 times between December and March and was admitted to the hospice in late March. Maybe he wasn't in a picture-taking mood after being given 2 months to live (which turned out to be closer to 2 weeks).


I definitely got that from your interactions with him in the past.




That's very considerate of you.

Look, I get the whole "don't trust - verify" thing that people here zealously cherish, but in your case all you can do is go by his last login date to see if anybody (or him if you disbelieve obituaries on a half dozen websites) has accessed his account.



I interacted more with Bruno during the past couple years than anybody else on the forum (most likely), and definitely more in the last few months of his life, when it truly mattered.





I'm telling you he's dead, I've been in contact with his family, and now I'm done commenting on the matter. Feel free to speculate further if you must.

Bruno's accounts have already been in the possession of at least two other parties so we can't really say how safe they are. If it's not 100% certain that the money will get to where it should then it's silly potentially throwing it away and I would agree with you that it would be better helping out someone's life who is in need of it. As for what Bruno did in preparation all we can do is speculate.


Trying to get money for tragedies or capitalising off somebody's death is a common scam because it works so well. They could have been working in cahoots with him as well, and assuming he is actually deceased (is there anything online other than the obituary sites and funeral home?). I'm not saying he faked his own death or anything but until I see something concrete I'll keep an open mind. I don't really believe it was someone else posting from his account either but using pictures from December was a little suspect, but nothing would surprise me with Bruno. I could never really figure him out. There were times when he seemed fairly desperate for cash in the past, especially when he sold his accounts, and that ICO or whatever he tried a while ago just seemed like every other cash grab ICO people come up with and when he popped up asking for money I was a little concerned. I think I'd be a little disappointed if he didn't figure out someway to troll us from beyond the grave though and that's why I'm still waiting for his accounts to reactive at some point. Selling them for one final time would definitely be a way to get a little extra cash. I probably wouldn't even blame him for selling them given the circumstances.

I did not vote "yes" in the poll. You and I both know that's not what I was saying Yes to.

As a matter of fact, I don't think that's a good idea at this point.

This is what I said:

Thank-you for voting "yes" to the Poll topic.

Next.

Yes.

I see your argument about his family members being not able to handle or use those crypto funds properly or take advantage of it as intended. I could imagine many people's around the world thinking it as an alien tech.

Yes, from nutildah's statements about the funds it seem that there is something worng regarding the access of donation funds to his family as he recommends not donating further, but it even indicates that they are aware of it.

I don't see why it is so hard or not ethical for users to just give an clear statement about "if his family can use those crypto funds or not as intended by him". I can't see any potential harm in confirming it publicly.

This is certainly a possibility, but the odds of some one else timing this so closely with his death seem pretty slim. Con artists also have some very distinct tells as well when they are running a con, and I didn't see any serious red flags in any of his postings. I do agree though it is probably a good idea to stop sending coins to his addresses though until it is absolutely verified his family has access.

I do not think there is a possibility to be 100% sure that all funds from the donation will finish in the right place. Bruno did not leave here such a possibility, considering that he was prepared for this outcome. He was an experienced person and I personally believe he provided a way for someone from his family to have access to these funds. Likewise with his Bitcointalk accounts.
one of the best scam buster, would not leave it unsafe where they need to write a few words on paper.

Unfortunately, we can't change anything here, we can no longer help him if it was once possible, I'd rather divert money to save someone's life. I saw a few charity initiatives here.
Whatever. OP, I believe in your best intentions but I think this must be your decision or wait for some time, maybe we will hear something from Bruno's account successor.

Irony:


You want us to take your word that you've spoken to Bruno's family, but tell us not to believe another user who makes the same claim.  

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Thanks for your good wishes, I have no doubt Bruno had a plan in place prior to penning his plea, one component of that plan would be the recovery of the funds (at the right time) by the person it was intended for.

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Assuming of course it's not a "brain" wallet...

This will be a really nice thing to do.

If you are 100% sure that the money will go to the user in need, then go for it.

Also congrats for the initiative of donating!

Do you know whether they do or don't have access to that wallet? It sounds like they might not or haven't figured out how to gain access yet from what you said.


Well you would hope so but I think you're making some big assumptions and there's probably lots of things that could go wrong with transferring ownership of someones coins when they're deceased. For people not familiar with bitcoin it can seem like an alien technology sometimes. I know most of my family would probably struggle even if I left everything written down to the T on how to recover them. All it takes is one wrong character written down wrong either from your password or mnemonic and they're going to be locked out. As for Bruno hopefully he did leave them with everything they need but in his last thread he did mention he had trouble using his hands and I'm surprised he left creating that thread so late if he knew he didn't have much time left. We also don't know for certain if that was him making the posts. The images he posted are from December last year. Multiple people have had access to that account over the years and someone could have easily made that post with or without his consent or involvement.

For a legendary bitcoiner like Bruno, I expected he left all details that needed to access wallet with the donation address he gave us and I am glad to know that is exactly what he did. Thank you for your reveal, nutildah.

As being said, I don't know him, on the forum and personally but I am glad that he has gotten big support from the community. Maybe he is smiling.

What, you don't believe the same account who just wrote this in a thread titled "Paying whatever you can salvage to blow my head off cause life's a bitch"?


Or who just applied for a BTC loan after saying he donated to Bruno twice?

/s, if it needs to be said.

I tried alluding to the fact that his family was aware of the donations that had been made in his name. I also recommend that no more donations be made to his addresses. I knew Bruno personally and have been in contact with a family member. That's about all I can say. If you need specifics for whatever reason then you can PM me.

Personally I wouldn't send anything until you know that you're not just sending it directly into a black hole. Why don't you donate it in his honour to another charity? That would seem more apt in my opinion. There's millions of other charities and people around the world that could do with some help right now and a fair few accept bitcoin directly.


Confirmed by who? Some random no-name account? I wouldn't believe anything that accounts says without some evidence. People have questioned his legitmacy:

Guess it's already confirmed here that his family has access to the donation address.

Good attempt at pocketing some merit.

Answer was always obvious.

I wouldn't donate it unless there is a way to confirm that any of his relatives have access to the funds. It would be a waste if you donate it while knowing that the funds will be lost.

Daily bump. Vote now.

This. What are the chances his relatives or family would bother accessing Bitcointalk, let alone a fundraiser here for him?

Bump

Bump again - will remove previous bump shortly.

Regardless of this only fulfilling a small portion of his final request, you should still donate it to him ^[IMO] since it's at least one positive way of spending those funds and I think he deserves it with the number of contributions he had for this community.
- I voted for yes but another good reason worth mentioning:

Will support this definitely. Done voting, I do hope OP could somehow connect or contact any of his beloved family to confirm that they can still access the funds Bruno gave us. The money will help his loveone as this grave news surely affect them too.

For someone like a lot of contributions here in forum, should not deprived of all the help he can get from people who appreciated him. I may not known him unlike others but you can confirm how valuable he is for long time users here.

Bruno is a long time user of bitcoin so I am sure he knows what he have to do for those addresses he gave us as donation targets. I believe he did all those necessary guide steps (or at least keys to get access) to his loved ones and help they know how to get access to those addresses. Anyway, it is only my belief and could be wrong.

Donation fund has not yet been moved / touched does not mean that his loved ones don't know how to access it. Maybe they decide to keep those funds for a long time and maybe it comes from the guide of Bruno. But if you want to make sure that your donation will not go into the air, you can try to find and contact to his family members and get confirmations from them.

In my opinion, you can make donations today, or next month, it does not make difference if we know that donation balance has still been far from what Bruno asked for community help. In contrast, I admit that if someone don't do this in coming weeks, they will highly not do this months later, and it sucks. So having confirmations from his family members is a must thing for now.

I voted 100%.
Just make sure wherever you send it, it goes to someone that will be able to access and use it.

I think people have misread what was written about Bruno being cremated. I'll be home in a few hours and hunt out the quote.

I would make an attempt to confirm his next of kin will actually be able to access the coin and that his next of kind would be able to use it for his wishes.

If you are unsure if they will be able to access the coin, or if you know they cannot access the coin, you might want to contact them and arrange for an alternate donation address after confirming they are agreeable to something like this.

Let the dead bury the dead.

He's gone and cremated.  Any further donations seem pointless. 

Sorry if that sounds cold.

Time for a poll:

Should I donate the BTC 0.019 Known Alts Donation funds to Bruno's plea?

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Background:

I hadn't realised that Bruno was an early scam investigator.  Due to the agrivation by one or two former investigators of the Known Alts thread, I feel the best thing that can be done is to use the funds to support someone in need.

[Plead] Phinnaeus Gage's User Moniker Manifested Due to a Malignant Brain Tumor

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The Poll is open to all members of the forum and will run until the first of May.