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Topic: Polycoin 2.0, revamp of old Polycoin!2nd gen| Pre sale started 2/20/2014.| (Read 941 times)
February 23, 2014, 11:56:37 AM
February 22, 2014, 02:20:28 AM
this coin might be promising ... but there are too many damn words, I just can't tell.
not only you can't tell but you can't see also
February 22, 2014, 01:46:14 AM
this coin might be promising ... but there are too many damn words, I just can't tell.
February 21, 2014, 11:57:41 PM
Polycoin is ....
Polycoin is ....
POOP !
Polycoin is ....
POOP !
February 21, 2014, 11:56:22 PM
Nothing changes around here..
February 21, 2014, 11:43:30 PM
If anymore pop up just quote my text.
And anyone can use my scam check, just give me a little line of credibility saying i was the founder.
Cheers!
And anyone can use my scam check, just give me a little line of credibility saying i was the founder.
Cheers!
February 21, 2014, 11:43:02 PM
BEWARE SCAM IPO, MULTIPLE ANN PAGES PLUS NEW IPO COPIED SKYCOIN ANN PAGE
February 21, 2014, 11:42:02 PM
Scam CHECK and REVIEW
Conclusion: SCAM
Where is the whitepaper?
Where is the client?
Where is the Technical papers?
Is there a website available?
What are you using BTC for?
Who are you (Anyone can make up a name)?
Where is your dev team?
Is the IPO account a few months old?
Where is your forums?
Is there support, pools, exchanges and etc?
Why are you doing an IPO before you answered these questions?
Does this coin answer these questions?
Failed: No Whitepaper, Just text
Failed: No Client, a read-me text
Failed: No Tech Papers, Just text
Failed: No Website
Failed: Does not specify
Failed: No Idenity or IRC chat to communicate
Failed: No Dev team
Failed: Brand New account
Failed: No Forums
Failed: No Support whatsoever
Failed: Failed All questions.
Concluding Statement: Polycoin failed all questions. Has a lot of information on what this is, but there is no evidence that this project is worked on or in existence. See above for all questions, it does not answer 1 question. If the project is this early in development then why is there an IPO?
My Opinion : It's a scam, failed all questions. Unless you want to fund someones lunch tomorrow, i suggest you invest your BTC elsewhere. This is a top of the line whore.
This review is subject to a change on further, new, evidence gained.
Regards,
T.K.
February 21, 2014, 11:40:10 PM
ENOUGH WITH THE SCAM , THIS IS YOUR 3rd PAGE
February 21, 2014, 11:29:36 PM
This is ipo,and Newbie
February 21, 2014, 11:23:12 PM
1> Polycoin is not a financial instrument or a get rich quick coin
2> Polycoin is not about the money. Dont buy Polycoin for financial reasons.
3> Polycoin does not care if you only make 30x returns instead of 6000x returns (cry me a river. seriously)
4> If you want 6000x returns, buy Dogecoin. Great coin. Many riches.
5> Buy Polycoin because you support the objectives of the project and want to be part of the community
6> All coins with a growing community will increase in value, but financial speculation does not create the community.
7> Polycoin is designed for long term use, not a pump and dump scheme
Satoshi never intended for Bitcoin to be about the price.
Also,
1. Polycoin development is being funded by the founders, not from the IPO
2. The IPO money is being used to buy Polycoin stickers. Many stickers. Great riches.
3. The IPO is a small initial distribution to the community and supporters
4. Speculators dont add anything to the project. Polycoin needs testers, developers, translators and other contributions.
For marketing, you dont want to know. We received message from fashion magazine writing story about Polycoin, Dogecoin and the Darknet. I have a feeling that the whole altcoin space is going to go insane soon.
----
This is what is going on behind the scenes in the altcoin community
1. Developers are being offered 15k/month, 300 bitcoin and single digit percentage of new coins to work on altcoin projects
2. Massive number of hardware wallet companies. Every developer in space is receiving a new job offer every week
3. Many other coins are "pumping" coin with marketing campaigns, selling at peak and then causing panics and buying the coins back after the crash.
4. Powerful people in media are pushing particular coins
5. Celebrity endorsements of new coins
6. PeerCoin was bought up by trust fund babies NYC. They changed name from PPcoin to PeerCoin so it could be mainstreamed. Were paying models to walk around downtown Manhattan wearing PeerCoin tshirts. Massive professional marketing campaigns behind many of the newer coins.
7. If you start seeing Dogecoin on billboards, would not surprise me.
8. Viral video marketing campaigns for new coins ( ex. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgYafqOLHg0 )
Polycoin marketing is highly targeted at influence groups and communities who need to know about Polycoin. The objective of Polycoin marketing is to build out the community and build awareness. Polycoin is not doing broad marketing aimed at public to "pump" prices to unsustainable levels. Polycoin will not be paying Lady Gaga to make a Polycoin music video.
Marketing tactics designed to cause bubbles and bursts are great for speculators, day trading and people organizing the pumps, but conflict with Polycoin's objective of low volatility and stable price levels. Anyone expecting the Polycoin Lady Gaga music video pump should put their money in other coins.
2> Polycoin is not about the money. Dont buy Polycoin for financial reasons.
3> Polycoin does not care if you only make 30x returns instead of 6000x returns (cry me a river. seriously)
4> If you want 6000x returns, buy Dogecoin. Great coin. Many riches.
5> Buy Polycoin because you support the objectives of the project and want to be part of the community
6> All coins with a growing community will increase in value, but financial speculation does not create the community.
7> Polycoin is designed for long term use, not a pump and dump scheme
Satoshi never intended for Bitcoin to be about the price.
Also,
1. Polycoin development is being funded by the founders, not from the IPO
2. The IPO money is being used to buy Polycoin stickers. Many stickers. Great riches.
3. The IPO is a small initial distribution to the community and supporters
4. Speculators dont add anything to the project. Polycoin needs testers, developers, translators and other contributions.
For marketing, you dont want to know. We received message from fashion magazine writing story about Polycoin, Dogecoin and the Darknet. I have a feeling that the whole altcoin space is going to go insane soon.
----
This is what is going on behind the scenes in the altcoin community
1. Developers are being offered 15k/month, 300 bitcoin and single digit percentage of new coins to work on altcoin projects
2. Massive number of hardware wallet companies. Every developer in space is receiving a new job offer every week
3. Many other coins are "pumping" coin with marketing campaigns, selling at peak and then causing panics and buying the coins back after the crash.
4. Powerful people in media are pushing particular coins
5. Celebrity endorsements of new coins
6. PeerCoin was bought up by trust fund babies NYC. They changed name from PPcoin to PeerCoin so it could be mainstreamed. Were paying models to walk around downtown Manhattan wearing PeerCoin tshirts. Massive professional marketing campaigns behind many of the newer coins.
7. If you start seeing Dogecoin on billboards, would not surprise me.
8. Viral video marketing campaigns for new coins ( ex. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgYafqOLHg0 )
Polycoin marketing is highly targeted at influence groups and communities who need to know about Polycoin. The objective of Polycoin marketing is to build out the community and build awareness. Polycoin is not doing broad marketing aimed at public to "pump" prices to unsustainable levels. Polycoin will not be paying Lady Gaga to make a Polycoin music video.
Marketing tactics designed to cause bubbles and bursts are great for speculators, day trading and people organizing the pumps, but conflict with Polycoin's objective of low volatility and stable price levels. Anyone expecting the Polycoin Lady Gaga music video pump should put their money in other coins.
February 21, 2014, 11:17:31 PM
Pre-sale started!
Bitcoins can be accepeted here: DADDY2FZqUQSKvCvRjL
Litecoins can be accepted here: PAPPYQ8ZNs3XFHwfnvrRYBPq2
(Maximum of 100,000 Polycoins per individual)
Github:
Polycoin is a second generation crypto coin.
Polycoin is being developed in collaboration between , Myth and Syndicate under Darknet Plan and OP Ecko.
Polycoin is designed to be a simpler, easier to use, more secure Bitcoin. Polycoin emphasizes simplicity, security and usability over doing everything.
Polycoin is designed to survive the looming internal and external threats Bitcoin is facing. Polycoin is setting a new standard for security and crytocoin protocol design.
---
Besides building a better, more robust, most secure, more usable Bitcoin, the Polycoin project is working towards several long term goals we believe are necessary.
- The long term goal of the Polycoin Project is to bridge the "last mile" between homes and fiber with a distributed wireless mesh and community ISPs.
- Polycoin is working on several applications using Polycoin as a credit unit.
- Storage, networking (cjdns inspired), messaging and routing protocols.
- SOPA, PIPA, ACTA and the Comcast/Time Warner merger have made it clear that political solutions are no longer viable.
Technical Specs:
- open access
- multi-home routing / link-aggregation
- end-to-end encryption
- link level encryption
- new post PKI cryptographic primitives
- Designed to run on Raspberry pi and Ubiquity Hardware
- "zeroconf", no configuration network deployment
- financial incentive for relaying traffic and node deployment
- routing protocol agnostic, allows choice of routing proticols (OSPF, DHT, ant-routing)
---
Polycoin uses a protocol called Obelisk instead of PoW. Obelisk is a provably secure PoW alternative for creating fair total orderings in decentralized systems with adversarial nodes. Obelisk was chosen over other proposals because it is provably secure and can be layered over Bitcoin's existing security model to eliminate the possibility of 51% attacks.
Polycoin transactions are free. Users receive coin-hours for each hour they hold a coin. Coin-hours are spent on transaction fees. Transactions bid to enter a fixed sized block.
Polycoin transactions are fast. Most transactions are executed within fifteen seconds. Off blockchain transactions are instant.
---
Bitmessage Contact:
Private Messages: 16D1Np59BZr4r6SvLTDT2FZqUQSKvCvRjL
Announcements (subscribe to address): 16D1Np59BZr4r6SvLTDT2FZqUQSKvCvRjL
Channel: name: Polycoin, key: 16D1Np59BZr4r6SvLTDT2FZqUQSKvCvRjL
---
Development Process:
All Polycoin components are in Golang and C. There are different teams working on Polycoin and multiple independent software components required to achieve the long term vision of the project. This is an open source project. There is a huge list of bug fixes and things that need to be implemented.
Allocation of coins are reserved for developers and contributors.
---
Design:
Polycoin tries to offer more security, greater privacy and better usability than Bitcoin.
Polycoin Philosophy:
- too complex systems cannot be secure
- We strive for simplicity over complexity
- decentralized but pragmatic
- Huge emphasis on usability
----
Partial feature list:
Security:
- higher level of security for non-technical users with improved ease of use
- deterministic ESDSA, enforced signature mutability
- hardening against SHA256 pre-image attacks, hardening against side channel attacks
- hardening against "offline" attacks on secp256k1
- optional quantum computer resistant TwoStep protocol transactions
- standardized remote signature HMAC API for hardware wallet devices
Privacy:
- Polycoin transactions have higher privacy than Bitcoin transactions ("wallet mixing", "money pot")
- Polycoin protects its users from identification for increased safety in hostile countries (ex. HTTPS/TLS tunneling)
- stenographic wallets
- We're also hoping to release a proxy protocol similar to Tor within Polyocoin, aka if you wish to be absolutely anonymous, the proxy will be available to you.
Usability:
- Wallet supports Bitcoin and Polycoin
- 15 second transactions (point-of-sale)
- simple 256-bit deterministic wallets
- clients only need unspent output set instead of whole block chain ("Snapshot")
- coins divisible to 8 places
Distributed Exchange:
- Off blockchain Transactions (through standardized API, "gateway")
- powerful scripting language for contracts (non-turing complete statically typed LISP variant)
- Open Transactions type crypto-equities, bonds, options and other securities
- OTC gateway API (based upon FIX, SWIFT, FIXatdl)
The blockchain is for settlement between counterparties. Price data and bid/ask orderbook data is not in the blockchain, but supported through the gateway API. Fractional Polycoin transactions and micropayment are handled as off block chain transactions.
---
Coin Distribution:
- There will be an average of 500,000 coins released annually, more or less depending on the demand for them, similar to how the United States Treasury and Federal Reserve works like.
- There is no mining.
- All coins are created in genesis block.
- The coins will be distributed in a fair, open process, through automatic release of coins relative to the demand for them, we are also open to your suggestions.
- There will be a coin giveaway for alpha testing when the Open-Beta comes out, most likely in April, and absolutely before May.
- No matter what distribution strategy is chosen, we expect that some people will whine.
---
Software Release Schedule:
The first Polycoin client will be released in April. White papers will be released as they are finished.
---
No Mining:
August 7, 2010 (BitcoinTalk Forums): “The utility of the exchanges made possible by Bitcoin will far exceed the cost of electricity used. Therefore, not having Bitcoin would be the net waste.”, as said by Satoshi is being, if not already proved false, as many alt coins improve upon the amount of electricity needed to mine.
Miners are the greatest non-crpytographic threat to Bitcoin retaining value on geographic time scales. Mining introduce human factors and greed into the survivability of Bitcoin as a currency
- Dishonest miners may destroy Bitcoin
- We are close to a 51% attack
- gigahash.io has abused its hashing power to steal Bitcoin from gambling sites
- services such as cex.io allow people to rent a 51% attack by the minute
- mining pools will form cartels to orphan blocks mined by non-cartel members, to enhance their block rewards
- mining cartels will rent capacity to orphan blocks from other pools, if the reward is greater than the cost
- pools have begun capping block size to drive up transaction fees. Bitcoin transaction processing rate may be unable to keep up with growth in transactions from new users. Bitcoin is becoming unusable for micro-transactions.
- Every month more mining power is concentrated in the hands of a smaller number of people
- Mining ensures majority of new crypto-coins go to people with botnets, GPU farms and ASICs not available to the public.
- No one benefits from mining except miners and electricity companies
- electricity used by mining is wasted. Money spent on mining is being thrown into a hole, burnt and the costs are passed on to every Bitcoin holder
- Mining will substantially increase transaction fees to unsustainable levels when block rewards decrease. Bitcoin transaction fees may reach a level higher than the banking system Bitcoin was created to replace.
- Miners selling newly created Bitcoins to pay equipment and electricity costs, drives down the price of Bitcoin.
- If Bitcoin reaches viability as the next global reserve currency, the incentives for nation states to monopolize and control mining will be too great to contain.
Polycoin was designed to eliminate mining completely and eliminate the problems it creates. Polycoin replaces reliance on honest miners with reliance on mathematics.
- Polycoin is more secure because it does not rely upon the good will of miners
- Polycoin transactions will be cheaper because there are no mining costs being passed on to users
- Polycoin transactions are not subject to 51% attacks by mining cartels
- Polycoin is environmentally friendly and sustainable. Polycoin does not require twelve coal power plants to power mining
Eliminating mining creates new problems for coin distribution.
- We will not do a Nxt or Mastercoin style IPO because we believe they are unfair and discourages new users.
- We will not create 100,000,000,000,000 coins and give 10k coins to each user and hoard the other 99,999,996,000,000 coins like Ripple did.
- There will be no Ripple style secret back door deals at below market price.
- People who contribute to the success of Polycoin will receive whole bags of coins
Distribution will be as fair as possible.
---
These are some things we are working on.
TwoStep: Quantum Computer Secure Transactions
This is a draft protocol for securing crypto-coin transactions against future advances in mathematics or computing which render discrete logarithm based public key cryptography insecure.
TwoStep is part of QuantumEclipse, a suite of next-gen cryptocoin protocols developed under OP Darknet Plan for the Polycoin Project.
This protocol is:
- secure if addresses are not reused
- lower overhead than Lamport Signatures
- works with SHA256 preimages equally as well as Secp256k1 signatures
- is not dependent on the security of discrete logarithm based public key cryptography
Proticol:
1> A user creates a transaction and publishes the SHA256 hash of the transaction onto the block chain (effectively a timestamp)
2> The user waits several blocks and publishes the transaction. Miners enter the transaction onto the block chain.
A transaction with a prepublished hash is "timestamped" by the publication of the hash. A transactions without a prepublished hash is a "non-timestamped" transaction.
Transaction Precedence Rules:
- if an unconfirmed non-timestamped transaction spends outputs used by a non-confirmed timestamped transaction, the non-timestamped transaction is invalid (time-stamped transactions have priority over non-timestamped transactions).
- if two unconfirmed timestamped transactions spend non-disjoint sets of unspent outputs, the transaction with the earliest timestamp is the valid one.
Address pub keys are not being published until they are first used in a transaction. The TwoStep protocol delays the publication of the public key for an address until transaction publication and then renders any transactions an attacker creates from the recovered private key invalid using the precedence rules.
Strict transaction precedence rule enforcement is not possible in Bitcoin, but is possible in Polycoin using new blockchain primitives introduced by Obelisk.
CoinJoin RFC:
- Polycoin naively supports a simplified CoinJoin protocol
- CoinJoin mixes transactions from multiple wallets to increase transaction privacy
- CoinJoin is optional.
- Polycoin is designed so that it is impossible to determine which transactions are CoinJoin transactions
Polycoin Coin Join Protocol:
- three people send their inputs and outputs to a remote server
- server creates a transaction containing the inputs/outputs from all three people
- the server sends each person the transaction.
- Each person verifies the transactions and sends the signatures for their inputs
- The server publishes the transactions.
This protocol is much simpler than zero coin or NXTcoin while dramatically improving transaction privacy
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Github: https://github.com/Polycoin
Polycoin is a second generation crypto coin.
Polycoin is being developed in collaboration between , Myth and Syndicate under Darknet Plan and OP Ecko.
Polycoin is designed to be a simpler, easier to use, more secure Bitcoin. Polycoin emphasizes simplicity, security and usability over doing everything.
Polycoin is designed to survive the looming internal and external threats Bitcoin is facing. Polycoin is setting a new standard for security and crytocoin protocol design.
---
Besides building a better, more robust, most secure, more usable Bitcoin, the Polycoin project is working towards several long term goals we believe are necessary.
- The long term goal of the Polycoin Project is to bridge the "last mile" between homes and fiber with a distributed wireless mesh and community ISPs.
- Polycoin is working on several applications using Polycoin as a credit unit.
- Storage, networking (cjdns inspired), messaging and routing protocols.
- SOPA, PIPA, ACTA and the Comcast/Time Warner merger have made it clear that political solutions are no longer viable.
Technical Specs:
- open access
- multi-home routing / link-aggregation
- end-to-end encryption
- link level encryption
- new post PKI cryptographic primitives
- Designed to run on Raspberry pi and Ubiquity Hardware
- "zeroconf", no configuration network deployment
- financial incentive for relaying traffic and node deployment
- routing protocol agnostic, allows choice of routing proticols (OSPF, DHT, ant-routing)
---
Polycoin uses a protocol called Obelisk instead of PoW. Obelisk is a provably secure PoW alternative for creating fair total orderings in decentralized systems with adversarial nodes. Obelisk was chosen over other proposals because it is provably secure and can be layered over Bitcoin's existing security model to eliminate the possibility of 51% attacks.
Polycoin transactions are free. Users receive coin-hours for each hour they hold a coin. Coin-hours are spent on transaction fees. Transactions bid to enter a fixed sized block.
Polycoin transactions are fast. Most transactions are executed within fifteen seconds. Off blockchain transactions are instant.
---
Bitmessage Contact:
Private Messages: 16D1Np59BZr4r6SvLTDT2FZqUQSKvCvRjL
Announcements (subscribe to address): 16D1Np59BZr4r6SvLTDT2FZqUQSKvCvRjL
Channel: name: Polycoin, key: 16D1Np59BZr4r6SvLTDT2FZqUQSKvCvRjL
---
Development Process:
All Polycoin components are in Golang and C. There are different teams working on Polycoin and multiple independent software components required to achieve the long term vision of the project. This is an open source project. There is a huge list of bug fixes and things that need to be implemented.
Allocation of coins are reserved for developers and contributors.
---
Design:
Polycoin tries to offer more security, greater privacy and better usability than Bitcoin.
Polycoin Philosophy:
- too complex systems cannot be secure
- We strive for simplicity over complexity
- decentralized but pragmatic
- Huge emphasis on usability
----
Partial feature list:
Security:
- higher level of security for non-technical users with improved ease of use
- deterministic ESDSA, enforced signature mutability
- hardening against SHA256 pre-image attacks, hardening against side channel attacks
- hardening against "offline" attacks on secp256k1
- optional quantum computer resistant TwoStep protocol transactions
- standardized remote signature HMAC API for hardware wallet devices
Privacy:
- Polycoin transactions have higher privacy than Bitcoin transactions ("wallet mixing", "money pot")
- Polycoin protects its users from identification for increased safety in hostile countries (ex. HTTPS/TLS tunneling)
- stenographic wallets
- We're also hoping to release a proxy protocol similar to Tor within Polyocoin, aka if you wish to be absolutely anonymous, the proxy will be available to you.
Usability:
- Wallet supports Bitcoin and Polycoin
- 15 second transactions (point-of-sale)
- simple 256-bit deterministic wallets
- clients only need unspent output set instead of whole block chain ("Snapshot")
- coins divisible to 8 places
Distributed Exchange:
- Off blockchain Transactions (through standardized API, "gateway")
- powerful scripting language for contracts (non-turing complete statically typed LISP variant)
- Open Transactions type crypto-equities, bonds, options and other securities
- OTC gateway API (based upon FIX, SWIFT, FIXatdl)
The blockchain is for settlement between counterparties. Price data and bid/ask orderbook data is not in the blockchain, but supported through the gateway API. Fractional Polycoin transactions and micropayment are handled as off block chain transactions.
---
Coin Distribution:
- There will be an average of 500,000 coins released annually, more or less depending on the demand for them, similar to how the United States Treasury and Federal Reserve works like.
- There is no mining.
- All coins are created in genesis block.
- The coins will be distributed in a fair, open process, through automatic release of coins relative to the demand for them, we are also open to your suggestions.
- There will be a coin giveaway for alpha testing when the Open-Beta comes out, most likely in April, and absolutely before May.
- No matter what distribution strategy is chosen, we expect that some people will whine.
---
Software Release Schedule:
The first Polycoin client will be released in April. White papers will be released as they are finished.
---
No Mining:
Satoshi has stated that mining is Bitcoin's only flaw. Miners are the greatest non-crpytographic threat to Bitcoin retaining value on geographic time scales. Mining introduce human factors and greed into the survivability of Bitcoin as a currency
- Dishonest miners may destroy Bitcoin
- We are close to a 51% attack
- gigahash.io has abused its hashing power to steal Bitcoin from gambling sites
- services such as cex.io allow people to rent a 51% attack by the minute
- mining pools will form cartels to orphan blocks mined by non-cartel members, to enhance their block rewards
- mining cartels will rent capacity to orphan blocks from other pools, if the reward is greater than the cost
- pools have begun capping block size to drive up transaction fees. Bitcoin transaction processing rate may be unable to keep up with growth in transactions from new users. Bitcoin is becoming unusable for micro-transactions.
- Every month more mining power is concentrated in the hands of a smaller number of people
- Mining ensures majority of new crypto-coins go to people with botnets, GPU farms and ASICs not available to the public.
- No one benefits from mining except miners and electricity companies
- electricity used by mining is wasted. Money spent on mining is being thrown into a hole, burnt and the costs are passed on to every Bitcoin holder
- Mining will substantially increase transaction fees to unsustainable levels when block rewards decrease. Bitcoin transaction fees may reach a level higher than the banking system Bitcoin was created to replace.
- Miners selling newly created Bitcoins to pay equipment and electricity costs, drives down the price of Bitcoin.
- If Bitcoin reaches viability as the next global reserve currency, the incentives for nation states to monopolize and control mining will be too great to contain.
Polycoin was designed to eliminate mining completely and eliminate the problems it creates. Polycoin replaces reliance on honest miners with reliance on mathematics.
- Polycoin is more secure because it does not rely upon the good will of miners
- Polycoin transactions will be cheaper because there are no mining costs being passed on to users
- Polycoin transactions are not subject to 51% attacks by mining cartels
- Polycoin is environmentally friendly and sustainable. Polycoin does not require twelve coal power plants to power mining
Eliminating mining creates new problems for coin distribution.
- We will not do a Nxt or Mastercoin style IPO because we believe they are unfair and discourages new users.
- We will not create 100,000,000,000,000 coins and give 10k coins to each user and hoard the other 99,999,996,000,000 coins like Ripple did.
- There will be no Ripple style secret back door deals at below market price.
- People who contribute to the success of Polycoin will receive whole bags of coins
Distribution will be as fair as possible.
---
These are some things we are working on.
TwoStep: Quantum Computer Secure Transactions
This is a draft protocol for securing crypto-coin transactions against future advances in mathematics or computing which render discrete logarithm based public key cryptography insecure.
TwoStep is part of QuantumEclipse, a suite of next-gen cryptocoin protocols developed under OP Darknet Plan for the Polycoin Project.
This protocol is:
- secure if addresses are not reused
- lower overhead than Lamport Signatures
- works with SHA256 preimages equally as well as Secp256k1 signatures
- is not dependent on the security of discrete logarithm based public key cryptography
Proticol:
1> A user creates a transaction and publishes the SHA256 hash of the transaction onto the block chain (effectively a timestamp)
2> The user waits several blocks and publishes the transaction. Miners enter the transaction onto the block chain.
A transaction with a prepublished hash is "timestamped" by the publication of the hash. A transactions without a prepublished hash is a "non-timestamped" transaction.
Transaction Precedence Rules:
- if an unconfirmed non-timestamped transaction spends outputs used by a non-confirmed timestamped transaction, the non-timestamped transaction is invalid (time-stamped transactions have priority over non-timestamped transactions).
- if two unconfirmed timestamped transactions spend non-disjoint sets of unspent outputs, the transaction with the earliest timestamp is the valid one.
Address pub keys are not being published until they are first used in a transaction. The TwoStep protocol delays the publication of the public key for an address until transaction publication and then renders any transactions an attacker creates from the recovered private key invalid using the precedence rules.
Strict transaction precedence rule enforcement is not possible in Bitcoin, but is possible in Polycoin using new blockchain primitives introduced by Obelisk.
CoinJoin RFC:
- Polycoin naively supports a simplified CoinJoin protocol
- CoinJoin mixes transactions from multiple wallets to increase transaction privacy
- CoinJoin is optional.
- Polycoin is designed so that it is impossible to determine which transactions are CoinJoin transactions
Polycoin Coin Join Protocol:
- three people send their inputs and outputs to a remote server
- server creates a transaction containing the inputs/outputs from all three people
- the server sends each person the transaction.
- Each person verifies the transactions and sends the signatures for their inputs
- The server publishes the transactions.
This protocol is much simpler than zero coin or NXTcoin while dramatically improving transaction privacy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
As this is the beginning advertising of a newly made second gen. alt coin, we will be releasing the IPO at 2/21/2014 5:00pm Eastern and it will end in 2 weeks, on 3/6/2014 7:pm Eastern, I've been working on this coin full-time since early Febuary, while also have a few hired freelance programmers working for me, and in the means of adding a Polycoin Marketing Team.
Bitcoins can be accepeted here: 16D1Np59BZr4r6SvLTDT2FZqUQSKvCvRjL
Litecoins can be accepted here: LUrQ1mS39py12EQ8ZNs3XFHwfnvrRYBPq2
As this is the IPO, any bitcoin or litecoin recieved will give you a certain amount of Polycoins at the Official launch of Polycoin.
.05c per Polycoin.
Each person can have a Maximum of 100,000 Polycoins in the Pre-sale.
-All bitcoins/litecoins will be used in paying the expenses to cover the making of this coin, and stored for future community projects concering Polycoin.
-I will personally PrintScreen(Take a picture of) every donation I recieve, and also the blockchain on bitcoin or litecoin and past it on this thread.
-The price of Bitcoin will be determined from the average of three bitcoin prices from the three biggest bitcoin exchanges, as with Litecoin.
-All bitcoin/litecoin recieved, will have the individual sender's name on a list, with the amount of Polycoin they will recieve when Polycoin is officially launched in April.
-The list will be posted on this thread within the next couple of days.
Bitcoins can be accepeted here: DADDY2FZqUQSKvCvRjL
Litecoins can be accepted here: PAPPYQ8ZNs3XFHwfnvrRYBPq2
(Maximum of 100,000 Polycoins per individual)
Github:
Polycoin is a second generation crypto coin.
Polycoin is being developed in collaboration between , Myth and Syndicate under Darknet Plan and OP Ecko.
Polycoin is designed to be a simpler, easier to use, more secure Bitcoin. Polycoin emphasizes simplicity, security and usability over doing everything.
Polycoin is designed to survive the looming internal and external threats Bitcoin is facing. Polycoin is setting a new standard for security and crytocoin protocol design.
---
Besides building a better, more robust, most secure, more usable Bitcoin, the Polycoin project is working towards several long term goals we believe are necessary.
- The long term goal of the Polycoin Project is to bridge the "last mile" between homes and fiber with a distributed wireless mesh and community ISPs.
- Polycoin is working on several applications using Polycoin as a credit unit.
- Storage, networking (cjdns inspired), messaging and routing protocols.
- SOPA, PIPA, ACTA and the Comcast/Time Warner merger have made it clear that political solutions are no longer viable.
Technical Specs:
- open access
- multi-home routing / link-aggregation
- end-to-end encryption
- link level encryption
- new post PKI cryptographic primitives
- Designed to run on Raspberry pi and Ubiquity Hardware
- "zeroconf", no configuration network deployment
- financial incentive for relaying traffic and node deployment
- routing protocol agnostic, allows choice of routing proticols (OSPF, DHT, ant-routing)
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Polycoin uses a protocol called Obelisk instead of PoW. Obelisk is a provably secure PoW alternative for creating fair total orderings in decentralized systems with adversarial nodes. Obelisk was chosen over other proposals because it is provably secure and can be layered over Bitcoin's existing security model to eliminate the possibility of 51% attacks.
Polycoin transactions are free. Users receive coin-hours for each hour they hold a coin. Coin-hours are spent on transaction fees. Transactions bid to enter a fixed sized block.
Polycoin transactions are fast. Most transactions are executed within fifteen seconds. Off blockchain transactions are instant.
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Bitmessage Contact:
Private Messages: 16D1Np59BZr4r6SvLTDT2FZqUQSKvCvRjL
Announcements (subscribe to address): 16D1Np59BZr4r6SvLTDT2FZqUQSKvCvRjL
Channel: name: Polycoin, key: 16D1Np59BZr4r6SvLTDT2FZqUQSKvCvRjL
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Development Process:
All Polycoin components are in Golang and C. There are different teams working on Polycoin and multiple independent software components required to achieve the long term vision of the project. This is an open source project. There is a huge list of bug fixes and things that need to be implemented.
Allocation of coins are reserved for developers and contributors.
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Design:
Polycoin tries to offer more security, greater privacy and better usability than Bitcoin.
Polycoin Philosophy:
- too complex systems cannot be secure
- We strive for simplicity over complexity
- decentralized but pragmatic
- Huge emphasis on usability
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Partial feature list:
Security:
- higher level of security for non-technical users with improved ease of use
- deterministic ESDSA, enforced signature mutability
- hardening against SHA256 pre-image attacks, hardening against side channel attacks
- hardening against "offline" attacks on secp256k1
- optional quantum computer resistant TwoStep protocol transactions
- standardized remote signature HMAC API for hardware wallet devices
Privacy:
- Polycoin transactions have higher privacy than Bitcoin transactions ("wallet mixing", "money pot")
- Polycoin protects its users from identification for increased safety in hostile countries (ex. HTTPS/TLS tunneling)
- stenographic wallets
- We're also hoping to release a proxy protocol similar to Tor within Polyocoin, aka if you wish to be absolutely anonymous, the proxy will be available to you.
Usability:
- Wallet supports Bitcoin and Polycoin
- 15 second transactions (point-of-sale)
- simple 256-bit deterministic wallets
- clients only need unspent output set instead of whole block chain ("Snapshot")
- coins divisible to 8 places
Distributed Exchange:
- Off blockchain Transactions (through standardized API, "gateway")
- powerful scripting language for contracts (non-turing complete statically typed LISP variant)
- Open Transactions type crypto-equities, bonds, options and other securities
- OTC gateway API (based upon FIX, SWIFT, FIXatdl)
The blockchain is for settlement between counterparties. Price data and bid/ask orderbook data is not in the blockchain, but supported through the gateway API. Fractional Polycoin transactions and micropayment are handled as off block chain transactions.
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Coin Distribution:
- There will be an average of 500,000 coins released annually, more or less depending on the demand for them, similar to how the United States Treasury and Federal Reserve works like.
- There is no mining.
- All coins are created in genesis block.
- The coins will be distributed in a fair, open process, through automatic release of coins relative to the demand for them, we are also open to your suggestions.
- There will be a coin giveaway for alpha testing when the Open-Beta comes out, most likely in April, and absolutely before May.
- No matter what distribution strategy is chosen, we expect that some people will whine.
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Software Release Schedule:
The first Polycoin client will be released in April. White papers will be released as they are finished.
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No Mining:
August 7, 2010 (BitcoinTalk Forums): “The utility of the exchanges made possible by Bitcoin will far exceed the cost of electricity used. Therefore, not having Bitcoin would be the net waste.”, as said by Satoshi is being, if not already proved false, as many alt coins improve upon the amount of electricity needed to mine.
Miners are the greatest non-crpytographic threat to Bitcoin retaining value on geographic time scales. Mining introduce human factors and greed into the survivability of Bitcoin as a currency
- Dishonest miners may destroy Bitcoin
- We are close to a 51% attack
- gigahash.io has abused its hashing power to steal Bitcoin from gambling sites
- services such as cex.io allow people to rent a 51% attack by the minute
- mining pools will form cartels to orphan blocks mined by non-cartel members, to enhance their block rewards
- mining cartels will rent capacity to orphan blocks from other pools, if the reward is greater than the cost
- pools have begun capping block size to drive up transaction fees. Bitcoin transaction processing rate may be unable to keep up with growth in transactions from new users. Bitcoin is becoming unusable for micro-transactions.
- Every month more mining power is concentrated in the hands of a smaller number of people
- Mining ensures majority of new crypto-coins go to people with botnets, GPU farms and ASICs not available to the public.
- No one benefits from mining except miners and electricity companies
- electricity used by mining is wasted. Money spent on mining is being thrown into a hole, burnt and the costs are passed on to every Bitcoin holder
- Mining will substantially increase transaction fees to unsustainable levels when block rewards decrease. Bitcoin transaction fees may reach a level higher than the banking system Bitcoin was created to replace.
- Miners selling newly created Bitcoins to pay equipment and electricity costs, drives down the price of Bitcoin.
- If Bitcoin reaches viability as the next global reserve currency, the incentives for nation states to monopolize and control mining will be too great to contain.
Polycoin was designed to eliminate mining completely and eliminate the problems it creates. Polycoin replaces reliance on honest miners with reliance on mathematics.
- Polycoin is more secure because it does not rely upon the good will of miners
- Polycoin transactions will be cheaper because there are no mining costs being passed on to users
- Polycoin transactions are not subject to 51% attacks by mining cartels
- Polycoin is environmentally friendly and sustainable. Polycoin does not require twelve coal power plants to power mining
Eliminating mining creates new problems for coin distribution.
- We will not do a Nxt or Mastercoin style IPO because we believe they are unfair and discourages new users.
- We will not create 100,000,000,000,000 coins and give 10k coins to each user and hoard the other 99,999,996,000,000 coins like Ripple did.
- There will be no Ripple style secret back door deals at below market price.
- People who contribute to the success of Polycoin will receive whole bags of coins
Distribution will be as fair as possible.
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These are some things we are working on.
TwoStep: Quantum Computer Secure Transactions
This is a draft protocol for securing crypto-coin transactions against future advances in mathematics or computing which render discrete logarithm based public key cryptography insecure.
TwoStep is part of QuantumEclipse, a suite of next-gen cryptocoin protocols developed under OP Darknet Plan for the Polycoin Project.
This protocol is:
- secure if addresses are not reused
- lower overhead than Lamport Signatures
- works with SHA256 preimages equally as well as Secp256k1 signatures
- is not dependent on the security of discrete logarithm based public key cryptography
Proticol:
1> A user creates a transaction and publishes the SHA256 hash of the transaction onto the block chain (effectively a timestamp)
2> The user waits several blocks and publishes the transaction. Miners enter the transaction onto the block chain.
A transaction with a prepublished hash is "timestamped" by the publication of the hash. A transactions without a prepublished hash is a "non-timestamped" transaction.
Transaction Precedence Rules:
- if an unconfirmed non-timestamped transaction spends outputs used by a non-confirmed timestamped transaction, the non-timestamped transaction is invalid (time-stamped transactions have priority over non-timestamped transactions).
- if two unconfirmed timestamped transactions spend non-disjoint sets of unspent outputs, the transaction with the earliest timestamp is the valid one.
Address pub keys are not being published until they are first used in a transaction. The TwoStep protocol delays the publication of the public key for an address until transaction publication and then renders any transactions an attacker creates from the recovered private key invalid using the precedence rules.
Strict transaction precedence rule enforcement is not possible in Bitcoin, but is possible in Polycoin using new blockchain primitives introduced by Obelisk.
CoinJoin RFC:
- Polycoin naively supports a simplified CoinJoin protocol
- CoinJoin mixes transactions from multiple wallets to increase transaction privacy
- CoinJoin is optional.
- Polycoin is designed so that it is impossible to determine which transactions are CoinJoin transactions
Polycoin Coin Join Protocol:
- three people send their inputs and outputs to a remote server
- server creates a transaction containing the inputs/outputs from all three people
- the server sends each person the transaction.
- Each person verifies the transactions and sends the signatures for their inputs
- The server publishes the transactions.
This protocol is much simpler than zero coin or NXTcoin while dramatically improving transaction privacy
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Github: https://github.com/Polycoin
Polycoin is a second generation crypto coin.
Polycoin is being developed in collaboration between , Myth and Syndicate under Darknet Plan and OP Ecko.
Polycoin is designed to be a simpler, easier to use, more secure Bitcoin. Polycoin emphasizes simplicity, security and usability over doing everything.
Polycoin is designed to survive the looming internal and external threats Bitcoin is facing. Polycoin is setting a new standard for security and crytocoin protocol design.
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Besides building a better, more robust, most secure, more usable Bitcoin, the Polycoin project is working towards several long term goals we believe are necessary.
- The long term goal of the Polycoin Project is to bridge the "last mile" between homes and fiber with a distributed wireless mesh and community ISPs.
- Polycoin is working on several applications using Polycoin as a credit unit.
- Storage, networking (cjdns inspired), messaging and routing protocols.
- SOPA, PIPA, ACTA and the Comcast/Time Warner merger have made it clear that political solutions are no longer viable.
Technical Specs:
- open access
- multi-home routing / link-aggregation
- end-to-end encryption
- link level encryption
- new post PKI cryptographic primitives
- Designed to run on Raspberry pi and Ubiquity Hardware
- "zeroconf", no configuration network deployment
- financial incentive for relaying traffic and node deployment
- routing protocol agnostic, allows choice of routing proticols (OSPF, DHT, ant-routing)
---
Polycoin uses a protocol called Obelisk instead of PoW. Obelisk is a provably secure PoW alternative for creating fair total orderings in decentralized systems with adversarial nodes. Obelisk was chosen over other proposals because it is provably secure and can be layered over Bitcoin's existing security model to eliminate the possibility of 51% attacks.
Polycoin transactions are free. Users receive coin-hours for each hour they hold a coin. Coin-hours are spent on transaction fees. Transactions bid to enter a fixed sized block.
Polycoin transactions are fast. Most transactions are executed within fifteen seconds. Off blockchain transactions are instant.
---
Bitmessage Contact:
Private Messages: 16D1Np59BZr4r6SvLTDT2FZqUQSKvCvRjL
Announcements (subscribe to address): 16D1Np59BZr4r6SvLTDT2FZqUQSKvCvRjL
Channel: name: Polycoin, key: 16D1Np59BZr4r6SvLTDT2FZqUQSKvCvRjL
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Development Process:
All Polycoin components are in Golang and C. There are different teams working on Polycoin and multiple independent software components required to achieve the long term vision of the project. This is an open source project. There is a huge list of bug fixes and things that need to be implemented.
Allocation of coins are reserved for developers and contributors.
---
Design:
Polycoin tries to offer more security, greater privacy and better usability than Bitcoin.
Polycoin Philosophy:
- too complex systems cannot be secure
- We strive for simplicity over complexity
- decentralized but pragmatic
- Huge emphasis on usability
----
Partial feature list:
Security:
- higher level of security for non-technical users with improved ease of use
- deterministic ESDSA, enforced signature mutability
- hardening against SHA256 pre-image attacks, hardening against side channel attacks
- hardening against "offline" attacks on secp256k1
- optional quantum computer resistant TwoStep protocol transactions
- standardized remote signature HMAC API for hardware wallet devices
Privacy:
- Polycoin transactions have higher privacy than Bitcoin transactions ("wallet mixing", "money pot")
- Polycoin protects its users from identification for increased safety in hostile countries (ex. HTTPS/TLS tunneling)
- stenographic wallets
- We're also hoping to release a proxy protocol similar to Tor within Polyocoin, aka if you wish to be absolutely anonymous, the proxy will be available to you.
Usability:
- Wallet supports Bitcoin and Polycoin
- 15 second transactions (point-of-sale)
- simple 256-bit deterministic wallets
- clients only need unspent output set instead of whole block chain ("Snapshot")
- coins divisible to 8 places
Distributed Exchange:
- Off blockchain Transactions (through standardized API, "gateway")
- powerful scripting language for contracts (non-turing complete statically typed LISP variant)
- Open Transactions type crypto-equities, bonds, options and other securities
- OTC gateway API (based upon FIX, SWIFT, FIXatdl)
The blockchain is for settlement between counterparties. Price data and bid/ask orderbook data is not in the blockchain, but supported through the gateway API. Fractional Polycoin transactions and micropayment are handled as off block chain transactions.
---
Coin Distribution:
- There will be an average of 500,000 coins released annually, more or less depending on the demand for them, similar to how the United States Treasury and Federal Reserve works like.
- There is no mining.
- All coins are created in genesis block.
- The coins will be distributed in a fair, open process, through automatic release of coins relative to the demand for them, we are also open to your suggestions.
- There will be a coin giveaway for alpha testing when the Open-Beta comes out, most likely in April, and absolutely before May.
- No matter what distribution strategy is chosen, we expect that some people will whine.
---
Software Release Schedule:
The first Polycoin client will be released in April. White papers will be released as they are finished.
---
No Mining:
Satoshi has stated that mining is Bitcoin's only flaw. Miners are the greatest non-crpytographic threat to Bitcoin retaining value on geographic time scales. Mining introduce human factors and greed into the survivability of Bitcoin as a currency
- Dishonest miners may destroy Bitcoin
- We are close to a 51% attack
- gigahash.io has abused its hashing power to steal Bitcoin from gambling sites
- services such as cex.io allow people to rent a 51% attack by the minute
- mining pools will form cartels to orphan blocks mined by non-cartel members, to enhance their block rewards
- mining cartels will rent capacity to orphan blocks from other pools, if the reward is greater than the cost
- pools have begun capping block size to drive up transaction fees. Bitcoin transaction processing rate may be unable to keep up with growth in transactions from new users. Bitcoin is becoming unusable for micro-transactions.
- Every month more mining power is concentrated in the hands of a smaller number of people
- Mining ensures majority of new crypto-coins go to people with botnets, GPU farms and ASICs not available to the public.
- No one benefits from mining except miners and electricity companies
- electricity used by mining is wasted. Money spent on mining is being thrown into a hole, burnt and the costs are passed on to every Bitcoin holder
- Mining will substantially increase transaction fees to unsustainable levels when block rewards decrease. Bitcoin transaction fees may reach a level higher than the banking system Bitcoin was created to replace.
- Miners selling newly created Bitcoins to pay equipment and electricity costs, drives down the price of Bitcoin.
- If Bitcoin reaches viability as the next global reserve currency, the incentives for nation states to monopolize and control mining will be too great to contain.
Polycoin was designed to eliminate mining completely and eliminate the problems it creates. Polycoin replaces reliance on honest miners with reliance on mathematics.
- Polycoin is more secure because it does not rely upon the good will of miners
- Polycoin transactions will be cheaper because there are no mining costs being passed on to users
- Polycoin transactions are not subject to 51% attacks by mining cartels
- Polycoin is environmentally friendly and sustainable. Polycoin does not require twelve coal power plants to power mining
Eliminating mining creates new problems for coin distribution.
- We will not do a Nxt or Mastercoin style IPO because we believe they are unfair and discourages new users.
- We will not create 100,000,000,000,000 coins and give 10k coins to each user and hoard the other 99,999,996,000,000 coins like Ripple did.
- There will be no Ripple style secret back door deals at below market price.
- People who contribute to the success of Polycoin will receive whole bags of coins
Distribution will be as fair as possible.
---
These are some things we are working on.
TwoStep: Quantum Computer Secure Transactions
This is a draft protocol for securing crypto-coin transactions against future advances in mathematics or computing which render discrete logarithm based public key cryptography insecure.
TwoStep is part of QuantumEclipse, a suite of next-gen cryptocoin protocols developed under OP Darknet Plan for the Polycoin Project.
This protocol is:
- secure if addresses are not reused
- lower overhead than Lamport Signatures
- works with SHA256 preimages equally as well as Secp256k1 signatures
- is not dependent on the security of discrete logarithm based public key cryptography
Proticol:
1> A user creates a transaction and publishes the SHA256 hash of the transaction onto the block chain (effectively a timestamp)
2> The user waits several blocks and publishes the transaction. Miners enter the transaction onto the block chain.
A transaction with a prepublished hash is "timestamped" by the publication of the hash. A transactions without a prepublished hash is a "non-timestamped" transaction.
Transaction Precedence Rules:
- if an unconfirmed non-timestamped transaction spends outputs used by a non-confirmed timestamped transaction, the non-timestamped transaction is invalid (time-stamped transactions have priority over non-timestamped transactions).
- if two unconfirmed timestamped transactions spend non-disjoint sets of unspent outputs, the transaction with the earliest timestamp is the valid one.
Address pub keys are not being published until they are first used in a transaction. The TwoStep protocol delays the publication of the public key for an address until transaction publication and then renders any transactions an attacker creates from the recovered private key invalid using the precedence rules.
Strict transaction precedence rule enforcement is not possible in Bitcoin, but is possible in Polycoin using new blockchain primitives introduced by Obelisk.
CoinJoin RFC:
- Polycoin naively supports a simplified CoinJoin protocol
- CoinJoin mixes transactions from multiple wallets to increase transaction privacy
- CoinJoin is optional.
- Polycoin is designed so that it is impossible to determine which transactions are CoinJoin transactions
Polycoin Coin Join Protocol:
- three people send their inputs and outputs to a remote server
- server creates a transaction containing the inputs/outputs from all three people
- the server sends each person the transaction.
- Each person verifies the transactions and sends the signatures for their inputs
- The server publishes the transactions.
This protocol is much simpler than zero coin or NXTcoin while dramatically improving transaction privacy.
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As this is the beginning advertising of a newly made second gen. alt coin, we will be releasing the IPO at 2/21/2014 5:00pm Eastern and it will end in 2 weeks, on 3/6/2014 7:pm Eastern, I've been working on this coin full-time since early Febuary, while also have a few hired freelance programmers working for me, and in the means of adding a Polycoin Marketing Team.
Bitcoins can be accepeted here: 16D1Np59BZr4r6SvLTDT2FZqUQSKvCvRjL
Litecoins can be accepted here: LUrQ1mS39py12EQ8ZNs3XFHwfnvrRYBPq2
As this is the IPO, any bitcoin or litecoin recieved will give you a certain amount of Polycoins at the Official launch of Polycoin.
.05c per Polycoin.
Each person can have a Maximum of 100,000 Polycoins in the Pre-sale.
-All bitcoins/litecoins will be used in paying the expenses to cover the making of this coin, and stored for future community projects concering Polycoin.
-I will personally PrintScreen(Take a picture of) every donation I recieve, and also the blockchain on bitcoin or litecoin and past it on this thread.
-The price of Bitcoin will be determined from the average of three bitcoin prices from the three biggest bitcoin exchanges, as with Litecoin.
-All bitcoin/litecoin recieved, will have the individual sender's name on a list, with the amount of Polycoin they will recieve when Polycoin is officially launched in April.
-The list will be posted on this thread within the next couple of days.
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