Pope Francis asks indigenous Mexicans for forgiveness

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Quote from: Losvienleg on February 22, 2016, 06:49:08 AM

Yeah, you're probably right. The world is going crazy... We're getting atheists and the Koreans Catholics. What the fuck is going on ?

That is exactly what is going on. The Catholic church is not being able to stop the attrition in regions such as Western Europe and North America (and up to a point, in Latin America). That is why they are investing hundreds of billions of USD in converting the Hindus and Buddhists in Asia to Christianity. The effects are very much visible, in countries such as China and India. South Korea is a Christian-dominated country now.

Then we should apply something like the IIIrd Reich did. Each time you marry you receive something, when you make children, the loan which has been given to you for your first child can be fully kept after the 5th, 6th children, Christians don't pay taxes, or less, being un-married or at least without any child after 35 years old cost you a monthly tax, when you divorce, you have a tax to pay. Then, be sure, people will become Christian again Wink

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Quote from: Losvienleg on February 22, 2016, 06:49:08 AM

Yeah, you're probably right. The world is going crazy... We're getting atheists and the Koreans Catholics. What the fuck is going on ?

That is exactly what is going on. The Catholic church is not being able to stop the attrition in regions such as Western Europe and North America (and up to a point, in Latin America). That is why they are investing hundreds of billions of USD in converting the Hindus and Buddhists in Asia to Christianity. The effects are very much visible, in countries such as China and India. South Korea is a Christian-dominated country now.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on February 21, 2016, 02:32:01 PM

Quote from: hugoworld on February 21, 2016, 02:14:24 PM

why were you shocked ? it is usual wealth for who sells religion for a living..

No. It is not usual. No other religious body or individual has this much wealth. But the case with the Roman Catholic church is different. They count more than 1.2 billion followers across the globe, including hundreds of millions in the Western nations. The Catholic population is almost equal to that of China. And unlike China, the population for Catholics is increasing.

It is common for any religion with a central authority... Prime examples being Catholics and Mormons and Scientology

The Mormons have an estimated $40,000,000,000 in assets and collect $8,000,000,000 per year in tithes... And the Mormons are tiny compared to Catholics, also much newer

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on February 21, 2016, 10:11:10 PM

Quote from: Losvienleg on February 21, 2016, 05:06:10 PM

Where did you see that it was increasing ? I can tell you that in the Western European countries, this is even the inverse...

I said that the overall numbers are increasing. A lot of people are converting to Catholicism in Asian countries such as India and South Korea, although the number of Catholics is going down in the European Union and the Latin America. Hundreds of billions of USD worth of funding is made to missions around the world every year, and it is only natural that they are gaining new converts.

Yeah, you're probably right. The world is going crazy... We're getting atheists and the Koreans Catholics. What the fuck is going on ?

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Quote from: Losvienleg on February 21, 2016, 05:06:10 PM

Where did you see that it was increasing ? I can tell you that in the Western European countries, this is even the inverse...

I said that the overall numbers are increasing. A lot of people are converting to Catholicism in Asian countries such as India and South Korea, although the number of Catholics is going down in the European Union and the Latin America. Hundreds of billions of USD worth of funding is made to missions around the world every year, and it is only natural that they are gaining new converts.

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Organized religion is a lot like politics, You have to appeal to people who are less educated and need religion as a crutch in order to keep your numbers up.

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Pope Francis asks indigenous Mexicans for forgiveness. Indigenous Mexicans don't care, "we're not Christians". Grin

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on February 20, 2016, 03:11:04 AM

The old man is out with new tricks.

For hundreds of years, the Catholic church indulged in genocide against the native people of the Americas. The church suppressed the indigenous beliefs, and forcibly converted the natives to Catholicism. It promoted the worst perpetrators of this genocide as "Catholic Saints". If this guy has any shame, then he should return all the gold and silver the Catholic conquistadors looted from the Aztecs and the other natives, back to them.

Why would he ? This is like the Jews that get refunded by Nestlé for forced labor. This wasn't the same company, and these Jews did not work in factories. The same goes here. The Pope don't have all the gold in his pocket and these Indigenous lived like that since they were born, so why would they benefit for something that doesn't concern them ?

Quote from: bryant.coleman on February 21, 2016, 02:32:01 PM

Quote from: hugoworld on February 21, 2016, 02:14:24 PM

why were you shocked ? it is usual wealth for who sells religion for a living..

No. It is not usual. No other religious body or individual has this much wealth. But the case with the Roman Catholic church is different. They count more than 1.2 billion followers across the globe, including hundreds of millions in the Western nations. The Catholic population is almost equal to that of China. And unlike China, the population for Catholics is increasing.

Where did you see that it was increasing ? I can tell you that in the Western European countries, this is even the inverse...

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Quote from: hugoworld on February 21, 2016, 02:14:24 PM

why were you shocked ? it is usual wealth for who sells religion for a living..

No. It is not usual. No other religious body or individual has this much wealth. But the case with the Roman Catholic church is different. They count more than 1.2 billion followers across the globe, including hundreds of millions in the Western nations. The Catholic population is almost equal to that of China. And unlike China, the population for Catholics is increasing.

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Quote from: hugoworld on February 21, 2016, 02:14:24 PM

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Quote from: Moloch on February 20, 2016, 03:42:55 AM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on February 20, 2016, 03:11:04 AM

The old man is out with new tricks.

For hundreds of years, the Catholic church indulged in genocide against the native people of the Americas. The church suppressed the indigenous beliefs, and forcibly converted the natives to Catholicism. It promoted the worst perpetrators of this genocide as "Catholic Saints". If this guy has any shame, then he should return all the gold and silver the Catholic conquistadors looted from the Aztecs and the other natives, back to them.

The pope will do anything for money... like most Trillionaires... yeah, I said it... the pope is a multi-Trillionaire... the richest man on the planet (by so far you have no clue)

Bill Gates = $80,000,000,000
Vatican ~ $3,000,000,000,000

i am shocked seeing that vatican 's fortune is more than bill gates's.. actually, it is so normal.. vatican sells religion and religion costs too much..

why were you shocked ? it is usual wealth for who sells religion for a living..

The Vatican has been collecting 10% of all the money for thousands of years... And they have not spent much of it...

Except for The Crusades, those are expensive... but, they stole plenty of gold & paintings & books & other treasure while crusading across Europe...

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Quote from: designerusa on February 21, 2016, 01:16:28 PM

Quote from: Moloch on February 20, 2016, 03:42:55 AM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on February 20, 2016, 03:11:04 AM

The old man is out with new tricks.

For hundreds of years, the Catholic church indulged in genocide against the native people of the Americas. The church suppressed the indigenous beliefs, and forcibly converted the natives to Catholicism. It promoted the worst perpetrators of this genocide as "Catholic Saints". If this guy has any shame, then he should return all the gold and silver the Catholic conquistadors looted from the Aztecs and the other natives, back to them.

The pope will do anything for money... like most Trillionaires... yeah, I said it... the pope is a multi-Trillionaire... the richest man on the planet (by so far you have no clue)

Bill Gates = $80,000,000,000
Vatican ~ $3,000,000,000,000

i am shocked seeing that vatican 's fortune is more than bill gates's.. actually, it is so normal.. vatican sells religion and religion costs too much..

why were you shocked ? it is usual wealth for who sells religion for a living..

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He did it to get their sympathy but he is not teaching the truth about bible and he said even an atheist can go to even, yes he can go to heaven if he humble himself and serve the true God and will forget their beliefs as they do not believed in God.

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Quote from: Moloch on February 20, 2016, 03:42:55 AM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on February 20, 2016, 03:11:04 AM

The old man is out with new tricks.

For hundreds of years, the Catholic church indulged in genocide against the native people of the Americas. The church suppressed the indigenous beliefs, and forcibly converted the natives to Catholicism. It promoted the worst perpetrators of this genocide as "Catholic Saints". If this guy has any shame, then he should return all the gold and silver the Catholic conquistadors looted from the Aztecs and the other natives, back to them.

The pope will do anything for money... like most Trillionaires... yeah, I said it... the pope is a multi-Trillionaire... the richest man on the planet (by so far you have no clue)

Bill Gates = $80,000,000,000
Vatican ~ $3,000,000,000,000

i am shocked seeing that vatican 's fortune is more than bill gates's.. actually, it is so normal.. vatican sells religion and religion costs too much..

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After 500 years of forced imposition of Catholicism, the Huilchol is the only tribe in Mexico which continues to practice their ancient religion.

The local Catholic church brands them as "devil worshippers". In the past the authorities have destroyed their places of worship, arrested their shamans and abducted their children to be placed in Christian orphanages.

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Quote from: Moloch on February 20, 2016, 03:42:55 AM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on February 20, 2016, 03:11:04 AM

The old man is out with new tricks.

For hundreds of years, the Catholic church indulged in genocide against the native people of the Americas. The church suppressed the indigenous beliefs, and forcibly converted the natives to Catholicism. It promoted the worst perpetrators of this genocide as "Catholic Saints". If this guy has any shame, then he should return all the gold and silver the Catholic conquistadors looted from the Aztecs and the other natives, back to them.

The pope will do anything for money... like most Trillionaires... yeah, I said it... the pope is a multi-Trillionaire... the richest man on the planet (by so far you have no clue)

Bill Gates = $80,000,000,000
Vatican ~ $3,000,000,000,000

Pope is merely an elected monarch. These money are owned by the state and he is a ruler of this state. He has incredible power, but this position doesn't turn him into owner of these funds.

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Quote from: romero121 on February 20, 2016, 04:13:58 AM

Quote from: Moloch on February 20, 2016, 03:42:55 AM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on February 20, 2016, 03:11:04 AM

The old man is out with new tricks.

For hundreds of years, the Catholic church indulged in genocide against the native people of the Americas. The church suppressed the indigenous beliefs, and forcibly converted the natives to Catholicism. It promoted the worst perpetrators of this genocide as "Catholic Saints". If this guy has any shame, then he should return all the gold and silver the Catholic conquistadors looted from the Aztecs and the other natives, back to them.

The pope will do anything for money... like most Trillionaires... yeah, I said it... the pope is a multi-Trillionaire... the richest man on the planet (by so far you have no clue)

Bill Gates = $80,000,000,000
Vatican ~ $3,000,000,000,000

Once they get into as higher authority to a group they need to face various criticisms, they have more than what is needed. Its not fair to use such words. Pope will do anything for money.

I suppose it's all God's money anyway, right?... Or is money of the Devil? It's so hard to tell when it has God's name on it, and the pope owns half of it...

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Quote from: Moloch on February 20, 2016, 03:42:55 AM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on February 20, 2016, 03:11:04 AM

The old man is out with new tricks.

For hundreds of years, the Catholic church indulged in genocide against the native people of the Americas. The church suppressed the indigenous beliefs, and forcibly converted the natives to Catholicism. It promoted the worst perpetrators of this genocide as "Catholic Saints". If this guy has any shame, then he should return all the gold and silver the Catholic conquistadors looted from the Aztecs and the other natives, back to them.

The pope will do anything for money... like most Trillionaires... yeah, I said it... the pope is a multi-Trillionaire... the richest man on the planet (by so far you have no clue)

Bill Gates = $80,000,000,000
Vatican ~ $3,000,000,000,000

Once they get into as higher authority to a group they need to face various criticisms, they have more than what is needed. Its not fair to use such words. Pope will do anything for money.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on February 20, 2016, 03:11:04 AM

The old man is out with new tricks.

For hundreds of years, the Catholic church indulged in genocide against the native people of the Americas. The church suppressed the indigenous beliefs, and forcibly converted the natives to Catholicism. It promoted the worst perpetrators of this genocide as "Catholic Saints". If this guy has any shame, then he should return all the gold and silver the Catholic conquistadors looted from the Aztecs and the other natives, back to them.

The pope will do anything for money... like most Trillionaires... yeah, I said it... the pope is a multi-Trillionaire... the richest man on the planet (by so far you have no clue)

Bill Gates = $80,000,000,000
Vatican ~ $3,000,000,000,000

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The old man is out with new tricks.

For hundreds of years, the Catholic church indulged in genocide against the native people of the Americas. The church suppressed the indigenous beliefs, and forcibly converted the natives to Catholicism. It promoted the worst perpetrators of this genocide as "Catholic Saints". If this guy has any shame, then he should return all the gold and silver the Catholic conquistadors looted from the Aztecs and the other natives, back to them.

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Is it possible to poke around in those people's heart even more?
Is it really forgiveness what the pope asks, or does he want to condemn those who can't.
It is really hard to tell if he carries a burning torch sometimes.

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