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November 16, 2024, 08:04:07 AM
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What would make a finance government unit suspect that a screenshot of mt gox showing bitcoin from several years ago is a fake? Someone was using it to corroborate their source of funds to buy a house and brand new car? What would tip off law enforcement if they were faking this?

Mt. Gox Bitcoin ownership screenshots may raise red flags because, in the real sense, they do not show verifiable trace evidence of funds, such as transaction history or records on the blockchain. However, with Mt. Gox collapsing in 2014 and with disputes between creditors still ongoing, law enforcement and financial units will likely investigate such claims as suspicious should they fail to follow Anti Money Laundering standards. Particular suspicions regarding fake screenshots arise if timestamps, account format, or metadata do not match patterns in the historic record.

The use of such unverified statements for significant transactions, such as buying a house or an automobile, could amount to suspected fraud or money laundering. All financial institutions require explicit, auditable confirmation of the source of funds, and any deviation from the norm might invite litigation. Without believable testimony to the contrary, any attempts at authentication of title with old or phony information will likely not survive scrutiny.
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November 16, 2024, 06:00:49 AM
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That can only happen if Bitcoin is banned in that country; if it's in a country where they publicly recognise the use and ownership of Bitcoin, then the person won't be in trouble unless the Bitcoin is linked to one of their blacklisted addresses, or if the holder can't explain how they came about it, that's where the real questioning will come from.
Even the country accept Bitcoin and you think your coins are not linked with blacklisted address/tainted coins, it doesn't mean you're free from trouble.

Government and tax officer want to earn as much as they can, if you show them you're have 100 Bitcoins when you monthly income or wealth aren't even close to 100 Bitcoins, this will raise suspicion into your coins.

Example you've explain you bought the coins at x price and your coins rose to y price, then you make z gains. They will not automatically listen to you, they will ask many many proof and even accuse you for doing something illegal which make them have a right to seize your coins.
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November 16, 2024, 05:46:39 AM
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What would make a finance government unit suspect that a screenshot of mt gox showing bitcoin from several years ago is a fake?
Mt.gox has been closed a long time before and the suspicion is even stronger if you're going to show it on them as proof of your funds.

Someone was using it to corroborate their source of funds to buy a house and brand new car? What would tip off law enforcement if they were faking this?
Most likely the application will be denied. It's the dealer's jurisdiction so it's up to them if they'll simply deny the car application. Don't underestimate the investigation and CI of these business entities.
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November 16, 2024, 05:18:06 AM
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Just showing them anything with Bitcoin would get you in a lot of trouble
That can only happen if Bitcoin is banned in that country; if it's in a country where they publicly recognise the use and ownership of Bitcoin, then the person won't be in trouble unless the Bitcoin is linked to one of their blacklisted addresses, or if the holder can't explain how they came about it, that's where the real questioning will come from.
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November 16, 2024, 04:01:44 AM
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Just showing them anything with Bitcoin would get you in a lot of trouble
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November 16, 2024, 02:54:05 AM
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What would make a finance government unit suspect that a screenshot of mt gox showing bitcoin from several years ago is a fake? Someone was using it to corroborate their source of funds to buy a house and brand new car? What would tip off law enforcement if they were faking this?
There are many aspect to this which might be the reason they refused the document provided. First, Mt Gox refund is not certain that it will happen so it is not money at hand yet because they can change their mind about the refund. So there is no one they will use something that is not certain as proof of funds. Secondly, a screenshot might not be sufficient proof for them because people can generate those pictures using any of the available photoshop tools out there.

I don’t think you could convince anyone with just a screenshot. The best way is to sign an address that makes you the owner of that going and then ensure you have access to it. Then, it would be easier to confirm and show that you are the rightful person with it.

It’s so easy to create something to fix something; a screenshot could be one of them.
With the funds in a CEX exchange, which is what Mt gox is, there is no way he could sign a message and this confirm what I said before that such money are not funds at hand. Signing message is only possible in a wallet you control the private keys.
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November 16, 2024, 02:37:22 AM
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I don’t think you could convince anyone with just a screenshot. The best way is to sign an address that makes you the owner of that going and then ensure you have access to it. Then, it would be easier to confirm and show that you are the rightful person with it.

It’s so easy to create something to fix something; a screenshot could be one of them.
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November 16, 2024, 02:26:00 AM
#8
Your story apparently,
Having to show some transaction isn’t enough but, having to prove that you got paid this worth of coin for doing this and that job or having to earn certain coin through certain period for selling some products and all. If you can’t prove that and if the company or source to have paid you can’t collaborate your story, then law enforcement would find fault in your statement’s legitimacy.
It’s just how it works with law enforcement, they try to find loosed ends and when they find it, they establish a crime and as such, you must clear your end to be in the clear. Its a sad world we live in and such terrible reality in our society as we have it.

That's why having a paper trail of your transactions is so important if it's being used for anything official.

If your coins somehow find their way to the fiat world and in large enough quantities, then you will be asked for source of funds at some point. Just make sure the papers have your name and address on them.
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November 16, 2024, 01:09:20 AM
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What would make a finance government unit suspect that a screenshot of mt gox showing bitcoin from several years ago is a fake? Someone was using it to corroborate their source of funds to buy a house and brand new car?
No matter what payment transaction one chooses to proceed with, they can’t just buy a house and a car with merely a screenshot only. They would need more details than that. They would need your financial records, maybe tax records, other assets, identification and many more.
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What would tip off law enforcement if they were faking this?
Assuming this is a fake screenshot, whoever you are talking to might immediately recognize red flags of your edited photo. It would be easy to see how a font might be different or time stamps look unusual.

And if the law enforcement is aware of the mt gox case or crypto in general, they would ask you to present something more than a screenshot. They would probably wish to see a proof of transaction in the blockchain.
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November 15, 2024, 10:35:44 PM
#6
I think that the investigations behind the people that have been involved with that incident is sufficient enough to know if someone is fraudulent with their claims when it comes to this kind of stuff, I mean there's ways that you can see if something has been edited right? No matter how good the fakes are, the people that are identifying this kind of stuff is actually really good at what they are doing and most of the time, people that fake stuff usually leave behind a trail of evidence so it's not a big deal if there's people like these that are doing their best in scamming people.
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November 15, 2024, 08:44:12 PM
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What would make a finance government unit suspect that a screenshot of mt gox showing bitcoin from several years ago is a fake? Someone was using it to corroborate their source of funds to buy a house and brand new car? What would tip off law enforcement if they were faking this?
Screenshot is a less valid proof but if you have nothing than your old screenshot, it's your only choice. If you have more proofs, they can be more helpful as stronger evidence. It can be on-chain information like an address, transaction hash, email you received from Mt.Gox and more.

Like you are in a Peer-to-Peer trade with your trade partner, your trade partner can send you a screenshot of payment, but you have to check your account to see whether that payment already come to your account. If you don't see the payment in your account, don't release your bitcoin. Don't believe in screenshot and release your bitcoin when you don't receive money in your bank account first.
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November 15, 2024, 06:54:26 PM
#4

What would make a finance government unit suspect that a screenshot of mt gox showing bitcoin from several years ago is a fake? Someone was using it to corroborate their source of funds to buy a house and brand new car? What would tip off law enforcement if they were faking this?
Screenshots can be altered by any photo editing software so it cannot be used as sole lonely proof, but instead it should be paired with other kind of proofs too. There will be many question arises when its used as proof.
legendary
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November 15, 2024, 06:06:22 PM
#3
Your story apparently,
Having to show some transaction isn’t enough but, having to prove that you got paid this worth of coin for doing this and that job or having to earn certain coin through certain period for selling some products and all. If you can’t prove that and if the company or source to have paid you can’t collaborate your story, then law enforcement would find fault in your statement’s legitimacy.
It’s just how it works with law enforcement, they try to find loosed ends and when they find it, they establish a crime and as such, you must clear your end to be in the clear. Its a sad world we live in and such terrible reality in our society as we have it.
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November 15, 2024, 06:04:46 PM
#2
A screenshot without proof to back it up can be suspected; those who were affected by the Mtgox hack and later refunded, if the person was one of them, can offer more than just a screenshot.

The means that was used to pay the person back what they lost over the years and how much it's worth as of the time of payment can easily be tracked by any government agent since the refund was publicly announced.
 
Even if the payment is made through fiat, those accounts that transferred the fund can be identified by the agency as they have access to data that are not publicly available, and if it's a Bitcoin payment, then it's even easier as it could be tracked through the blockchain if the person can offer a transaction ID rather than just a screenshot.
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November 15, 2024, 05:58:43 PM
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What would make a finance government unit suspect that a screenshot of mt gox showing bitcoin from several years ago is a fake? Someone was using it to corroborate their source of funds to buy a house and brand new car? What would tip off law enforcement if they were faking this?
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