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Quote from: Adbitco on April 27, 2022, 06:29:33 AM

I don't think that should be an issue since is a local board and I understand they have a common language and for that there's nothing wrong. A local board is more or less of a family via in a single community.
To you it may seems not to be quality but to the community they values it.

Even in the English board. Nobody values every post you seems to be quality post. Given merit is basically for personal likeness. And what you seems as quality post will not be known for me as quality post. Local board given merit to their locale family. It is like helping each other to grow. And besides since not everyone understand the knowledge or what knowledge they are sharing to each other it seems that the merited post there is quality.

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Quote from: Samrean on April 24, 2022, 04:10:49 AM

New development.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.59952904

As far as I remember, This thread was locked after a few people share their opinion about this matter. But, recently a Member Named NoorulHuda was banned and you posted here it saying New development. Well, Finding something unethical is good. But, I don't think your intention is 100% legit. I also noticed that you are too much happy about the Ban of User NoorulHuda. May I know what is the reason for your happiness?

Quote from: Samrean on April 24, 2022, 04:29:37 AM

Quote from: kaka_Shipai on April 24, 2022, 04:17:23 AM

Quote from: Samrean on April 24, 2022, 04:15:22 AM

This is not how bitcointalk works.

Check the rules before making any statement
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/multiple-accounts-allowed-or-not-3048205

Study this thread whole and stop trying to be Einstein here.

Then why her account is banned ? hahaha
I know you wanted three more merits from her to become Member

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I don't think that should be an issue since is a local board and I understand they have a common language and for that there's nothing wrong. A local board is more or less of a family via in a single community.
To you it may seems not to be quality but to the community they values it.

Samrean

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New development.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.59952904

kaka_Shipai

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Quote from: Samrean on March 31, 2022, 12:27:21 PM

Just by looking at these accounts i think there is serious merit abuse between these members in the local board
If you will notice they are mostly involved in merting each other. They could be a single person or a family.

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What have i done ? why is me listed in this list ? i don't know any of them and i don't care about any of them ? then why my id is listed there. Can't you do proper research before making any such baseless claims ?

Samrean

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Quote from: BITCOIN4X on April 01, 2022, 02:16:14 PM

OP, can you tell me if you are satisfied enough with some of the different user responses to your accusations? If you are satisfied then I suggest you close this topic, while if you have some other evidence that might support your suspicions, please let us know about it.

I felt so because there were back and forth merit transfers. Since i do not have other proofs, i will lock this thread. I dont want to ruin anyone's reputation unnecessary. Sorry if anyone got hurt. I just expressed my feelings as i thought something was not right. Sorry again.

naim027

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Quote from: BITCOIN4X on April 01, 2022, 02:16:14 PM

Quote from: naim027 on April 01, 2022, 02:01:59 PM

About giving Trust system. Allow me to quote Theymos again:

Quote from: theymos on January 30, 2020, 04:13:15 PM

The system is for handling trade risk, not for flagging people for good/bad posts/personalities/ideas.
~
- Leave negative ratings if you actively think that trading with the person is less safe than with a random person.

Actually DT doesn't just act for cases involving trading, but there are many other reasons why they use negative tags based on their interpretation.

Right. I know about that. But, You should not give negative feedback to anyone for abusing merit since it's not a forum rule.
I have quoted this because

Quote from: _act_ on March 31, 2022, 03:06:34 PM

but if merit is abused, there is nothing bad to give such accounts that abused merit to be given red trust.

@_act_ was saying that there is nothing bad to give such accounts that abused merit to be given red trust. Actually, theymos doesn't support it.

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OP, can you tell me if you are satisfied enough with some of the different user responses to your accusations? If you are satisfied then I suggest you close this topic, while if you have some other evidence that might support your suspicions, please let us know about it.

I just think that you're only ruining the reputation of other users for accusations that aren't proven to be true, but there's nothing wrong with suspecting something for absolutely credible and very strong reasons.

Quote from: naim027 on April 01, 2022, 02:01:59 PM

About giving Trust system. Allow me to quote Theymos again:

Quote from: theymos on January 30, 2020, 04:13:15 PM

The system is for handling trade risk, not for flagging people for good/bad posts/personalities/ideas.
~
- Leave negative ratings if you actively think that trading with the person is less safe than with a random person.

Actually DT doesn't just act for cases involving trading, but there are many other reasons why they use negative tags based on their interpretation.

naim027

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Quote from: _act_ on March 31, 2022, 03:06:34 PM

but if merit is abused, there is nothing bad to give such accounts that abused merit to be given red trust.

I don't think so. I have done that in my newbie days and I learned some lessons from there. You should not give anyone negative feedback if someone abuses merit.
allow me to quote theymos:

Quote from: theymos on October 21, 2018, 09:28:55 AM

If a DT member tags you for something stupid involving merit (ie. probably anything less than selling merit), then they're not going to be a DT member for much longer.

He was talking to a DT about Merit abuse.

About giving Trust system. Allow me to quote Theymos again:

Quote from: theymos on January 30, 2020, 04:13:15 PM

The system is for handling trade risk, not for flagging people for good/bad posts/personalities/ideas.
~
- Leave negative ratings if you actively think that trading with the person is less safe than with a random person.

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Quote from: Samrean on March 31, 2022, 12:27:21 PM

Just by looking at these accounts i think there is serious merit abuse between these members in the local board
If you will notice they are mostly involved in merting each other. They could be a single person or a family.

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kaka_Shipai

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Check out the whole merit history then you will know about it.
Just blaming here is not going to work checkout my all posts which i got merit and which i merited are Worth merited or not.

Please dont make blames Working hard to share information and if the information is 100% accurate then you can't say it.

Pandu Geddon

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I think OP is just building assumptions without proof.
I've felt this too. just of the merit transaction history, there will be a lot of linked accounts.
hopefully, OP has better evidence to back up the allegations he puts on the account. otherwise, lock this thread.

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Quote from: Samrean on March 31, 2022, 12:27:21 PM

Just by looking at these accounts i think there is serious merit abuse between these members in the local board
If you will notice they are mostly involved in merting each other. They could be a single person or a family.

NoorulHuda Full Member

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kaka_Shipai

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SaimExch

This is not how you link accounts, otherwise as all the bitcointalk accounts could be linked as everyone gives merits to each other. For your knowledge, there is no restriction in giving merits to the same account multiple times. Your evidence are insufficient to prove anything here other than creating a drama out of nowhere.

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Quote from: Samrean on March 31, 2022, 12:27:21 PM

Just by looking at these accounts i think there is serious merit abuse between these members in the local board
If you will notice they are mostly involved in merting each other. They could be a single person or a family.

NoorulHuda Full Member

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kaka_Shipai

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I sympathize with you for coming to our local board and posting well We will give you merit too but the condition is that your post is good.
I have nothing to say. I think you have been told by the senior members that this is not happening Everyone in our local board is working hard and getting rewarded for their good post.

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Merit exchange between accounts does not mean that they are alts and therefore are abusing merits. You may want to dig deeper to prove that the accounts are connected, such as posting style and gaps, shared Bitcoin addresses etc.

Tagging of merit abuse related cases is also so rare, DT members are mostly focused on bounty abuse and scam.

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There are no strict rules about merit abuse on the forum, except it involves merit sources; The idea is if it is related to a regular user then it isn't much of a big deal as they would eventually run out of smerits to circulate between their alt accounts.

You could move this post to reputation, but there would b no official action taken as suspected merit abuse is no moderated.

*Edit: post already moved.

_act_

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Quote from: Falconer on March 31, 2022, 03:26:31 PM

OP, actually I was just wondering how you are brave enough to say they are the same personjust by looking at the history of the merit.

Let me quote him for you to read again

Quote from: Samrean on March 31, 2022, 12:27:21 PM

Just by looking at these accounts i think there is serious merit abuse between these members in the local board
If you will notice they are mostly involved in merting each other. They could be a single person or a family.

Although, I am not saying merit is abused or not, but I just stand on the point that if any abuse is noticed, it can be reported in a new thread on reputation board.

dataispower

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Quote from: Samrean on March 31, 2022, 12:27:21 PM

Just by looking at these accounts i think there is serious merit abuse between these members in the local board
If you will notice they are mostly involved in merting each other. They could be a single person or a family.

NoorulHuda Full Member

Take a picture of this user very well, there's nothing like merit abuse there, i have scrutinized the account and nothing can be find, i think your point over this particular account is invalid, if you want to create accusations to people make sure you have nice evidence to testify as for this point of this particular user, did not commit any mismanagement of merit, the user earned almost his merit through hard working, this is my opinion after cross checking the account

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Quote from: _act_ on March 31, 2022, 03:06:34 PM

Seeing someone like that, nothing bad to bring it up here for discussion to know if other members will accept it true or not.

Scam Accusations or attempted scam should be on the Scam Accusations board and charges involving user reputation then that topic should be on the reputation board and I believe allegations of abuse of service should be there because it concerns reputation.

OP, actually I was just wondering how you are brave enough to say they are the same person just by looking at the history of the merit. The merit system doesn't prohibit you from spending it on the same user more than once, but you can only post 50 merit a month for the same user. So what are you worried about here?

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on March 31, 2022, 02:50:36 PM

First, there isn't any known rule or law guiding how merit should be used or sent around the forum, there isn't any rule forbidding or stating that two or more parties can not merit themselves if their posts are worthy of it, so personally, I see nothing wrong as long as their post are worthy of the merit(s) they received.

But if merit is abused, it should be posted about on reputation board so others can see it too. This forum does not against sending merit to any pos, but if merit is abused, there is nothing bad to give such accounts that abused merit to be given red trust. Seeing someone like that, nothing bad to bring it up here for discussion to know if other members will accept it true or not.

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First, there isn't any known rule or law guiding how merit should be used or sent around the forum, there isn't any rule forbidding or stating that two or more parties can not merit themselves if their posts are worthy of it, so personally, I see nothing wrong as long as their post are worthy of the merit(s) they received.

And secondly, I support what _blackStar said, this post does not belong here, it should be in the reputation board, so I suggest you try and move it before a moderator does.

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Quote from: _BlackStar on March 31, 2022, 12:58:42 PM

Could you please move this topic to the reputation board because I don't think it deserves the meta?

I'm not sure why you're so afraid of using your main account to make accusations and statements like this because I don't think you'll be flagged just because you have doubts about something. But to be honest I can't read Pakistani language and not so sure of all of them unless you find any other evidence besides merit transaction history like wallet, social media accounts or etc.

Sir don't know who he/she is?
He/she mentioned me too.
You can check even my merit list. You will not find any wrong activity. And just see also on which posts I have given the merits. Mostly posts are in English. You may check.

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Could you please move this topic to the reputation board because I don't think it deserves the meta?

I'm not sure why you're so afraid of using your main account to make accusations and statements like this because I don't think you'll be flagged just because you have doubts about something. But to be honest I can't read Pakistani language and not so sure of all of them unless you find any other evidence besides merit transaction history like wallet, social media accounts or etc.

NoorulHuda

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Quote from: Samrean on March 31, 2022, 12:50:21 PM

Yes you did not get 131 merits from the newbies but you are mostly funding these newbies and these newbies funding each other and back to you also. i notice some strange behavior of giving merits so posted.

I don't know who you are and why you are saying that. Just read the above reply. There are only some members and if they see the quality post they give merit and you must see my profile too. Am I abusing.?
You must have some knowledge what we are doing.
If you can't become a quality poster so please don't abuse others.
If you will share a good post to us. Definitely I will give you a merit if you deserve that.

I can't give you Merit only for your first post in which you are just saying Slam to the Pakistani Community.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.59647177

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Quote from: NoorulHuda on March 31, 2022, 12:32:57 PM

Quote from: Samrean on March 31, 2022, 12:27:21 PM

Just by looking at these accounts i think there is serious merit abuse between these members in the local board
If you will notice they are mostly involved in merting each other. They could be a single person or a family.

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Wait wait wait... How could you say that?
Just see there the quality posting. I am giving merits to those who is posting good. You must check and then say anything.
You just come here and made the second post about us? How do you know that.? In just few days you are saying that?
Moderator have much better know us?

And one more thing make a good post. That will help the whole community I will definitely give you a merit. Just not blame us thay we are abusing merits. WTF

And please check my merit list again with your open eyes if you have.
I didn't get these 131 merits from only these 3 members.

Yes you did not get 131 merits from the newbies but you are mostly funding these newbies and these newbies funding each other and back to you also. i notice some strange behavior of giving merits so posted.

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Don't know how high quality their posts are (I'm not Pakistani), but it seems that currently there aren't many users involved in discussions on Pakistani boards other than the members you mentioned. So, merits will only be distributed among them in that locale. Your allegations aren't valid enough to link them, at least for now.

NoorulHuda

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Quote from: Samrean on March 31, 2022, 12:27:21 PM

Just by looking at these accounts i think there is serious merit abuse between these members in the local board
If you will notice they are mostly involved in merting each other. They could be a single person or a family.

NoorulHuda Full Member

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kaka_Shipai

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Wait wait wait... How could you say that?
Just see there the quality posting. I am giving merits to those who is posting good. You must check and then say anything.
You just come here and made the second post about us? How do you know that.? In just few days you are saying that?
Moderator have much better know us?

And one more thing make a good post. That will help the whole community I will definitely give you a merit. Just not blame us thay we are abusing merits. WTF

And please check my merit list again with your open eyes if you have.
I didn't get these 131 merits from only these 3 members.

Samrean

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Just by looking at these accounts i think there is serious merit abuse between these members in the local board
If you will notice they are mostly involved in merting each other. They could be a single person or a family.

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