Topic: Possible Poker Cheaters On Fortunejack (Read 1854 times)

Well, I feel this when I have AA and lose with a full house 7-3 ALL in mid game. But the variance always can slap you in the face, and about collusion I been talk with some guys and some times they have many accounts playing in the free rolls keep and eye and report obvious plays

Variance exists, and you have to think of it that way: Even with AA, there's a chance to be sucked out by 72o (around 12% or something). It's possible to win a lot of times by shoving with nothing. There's always a non-zero chance for a maniac to win, even to the point of being the chipleader. However, in the long run, eventually their ROI will drop down due to math.

Right now, cash games are off with FortuneJack. You'll see this kind of stupid play a lot in freerolls obviously because people don't care - they aren't committed.

tough to say if they were cheating 100% but that's what worries me with poker
online. I have seen so many shady situations online that leave you scratching your
head. People who raise and raise and raise then on river hit a gut shot... just weird
stuff that makes me never play at the high stakes tables online.

I find that a lot of the play is due to field size if you are playing in the freerolls on Fortunejack. Its not unusual for players to snap call with atc and suck out 6 handed.
As for the connection this is the site that I was told by a Argentinian player after hounding them forever about it:

red argentina de poker

The link:
http://rapoker.com.ar/

A few dynamics that fall into these games is some of the players really dislike North Americans and they will play differently against them.
Reason I created a new account and labeled its location as Argentina,find it gets me not many but a few easy rides near bubble that I would not have got otherwise.

As for cheating,you really can not trust any of these sites due to how long it takes them to investigate a issue. Watch the amount of late registrations and how many accounts are sitting out to wake up and shove. Thats usually a pretty good tell. Mark them and be prepared next time is all you can do,besides playing tag.

Did you even read the entire post ? OP has suspected it's the hackers who knows the exploits.Fortunejack doesn't seem to be aware of the issue I guess.

Not really..they've had shady doings in the past.I wouldn't be surprised if they're actually rigid.

The site could be cheating without getting hacked.

I doubt it.One doesn't simply take such huge risks without knowing the outcome.

if a site wants to cheat you it doesn't need a dumb player who shoves every hand and wins  why would they make it so obvious if they can know the outcomes or rig the game somehow !!
probably your sample is small , especially that you are talking about one specific player

so just give him the bingo tag , and come back and take his money later 

And that's the result of what a bad thread can make...


Specially if the players are with few big blinds... 5 to 10...
It's all about strategy, maybe OP it's just a newbie...

maybe you just dont know how to play in position... i dont play at fortunejack so i dont know about the rigged acusation, but there are situations where `all in` is a must, specially pre flop.

Lol oh my. you sound like one of those people that play online games that cry out hacker everytime you do something amazing.
How exactly would they cheat ? Don't you think if they knew the outcome they would bet much more ? That makes no sense your logic is flawed.

Could just be variance and a guy who temporarily said fuck it and played some bad hands.
Is it at all possible to look at someone's hand history there?

If he was doing this with 200+ bad hands in a short time or something like that, then I would consider calling it cheating or at least highly suspicious.

I'm surprised that it is possible to cheat in Fortunejack...
Thanks for information.

I do agree on some comments especially Chief Maku .i think that was not a cheat it all based on the players stratedgy .this is a kind of bluff which makes you pick a wrong move that make you lose .i don't play poker gambling site but as i imagine that play it is surely stratedgy not a cheat .how can he cheat online poker over the real poker users.

Well obvious if you heads up unless the other player can see your cards he cant cheat against you.  If there are 3 or more players at a table then 2+ of them can be colluding in a number of different ways.

its not cheaters, its just crazy mass account guys going all-in

I don't understand, your proof of cheating is someone went all in few times and won with sht cards? I can only say i did same thing on one poker site, when i was pushing all ins with really bad cards, and lots of people accused me of cheating because i was actually winning! But what I had was really bad day and i was just pushing it. So, it doesn't mean if someone is going all in that he is cheating.

2 guys on other table, well, that could be cheating. Problem is this is online poker and its really hard to prove anything, you can find yourself playing cash game on table with group of cheaters sharing their hands and taking money from everyone who come to their table.
 

                   

I really don't think anyone can cheat like that takbitcoin...

How can a heads up can be different from a full table? It's the same thing...

Again: BS topic

That's what I thought it was a house bot but it responded to me in chat which eliminated that idea

Oh, this is interesting. Are you talking about online Poker cheaters who had access to 'inside' information and knew other people's cards or something?
If yes, then please tell us where did you spot cheaters.

Personally I think that situation Op described is not enough to tell if that guy was cheating. Most likely it was totally random strategy of a newbie player who got lucky.

How legit games are are down to the site owners.  You can find plenty of legit games though .  If you are hugely worried you can always pick heads up where its impossible to be cheated against unless site is hacked.

You had better contact admin about problematic hand id, let admins check the issue. Admin will ban cheaters there. FJ is a famous casino, they will punish the cheaters, void their winnings.

Yes I think this hardly can be accused as cheating. I've done crazy moves when drunk.

Wow I always wondered if cheating and other dishonest things were possible online. I know people can cheat offline but I never knew about online. Hopefully some sort of moderation system will be implemented towards cheaters.

It is not cheating. I've played on many sites, and have seen some cheating here and there. There are just some very very loose players on FJ. Also if you have an overwhelmingly large stack it can make sense, against the right opponent, to just shove over and over. Because as the largest stack you only have to win once in order to get all the chips. So you are actually ahead when you consider the odds of winning one hand on x6 shoves, even with inferior hands. Or more likely he was just some drunk crazy Argentinian ...

Bottom line, I've found the cash games extremely loose and profitable. And yes, those loose players will have their moments in the sun.

I play poker there, and free rolls you talk about arebfull with crazy hands. Small stack, fast going levels and people there go all in almost every hand. For me that is not strange I played to many free tournaments. People always play like that in this kind of tournament's.
Interesting story from there, couple days ago after first all in which I won, next hand again all in and win, third hand I fold, but I would won, 4th I paid and won. 5 didn't pay but would won. 5 hands in a row, I never had similar situation in poker before.

shoving any 2 pre vs a minimum buy in can't be to far from optimal vs a minimum buy in which i suspect original poster was doing.

post the actual had histories so we can judge properly. otherwise it's just hearsay

That's poker! A lot of newbies going all-in with nothing, it's really good for you in a long term

How many hands they won? Fortunejack have any handshistory is something like that? If yes, can you post to us?

Sorry but it sounds like bs for me...

I used to play poker there at Fortunejack a long time ago. I started with 20 mBTC and ended up after a few hours with more than 500 mBTC and this was because other people thought they were smart while I were extremely patient and I only used to go all in when I was sure 100%. No one back then said possible cheaters on FortuneJack. What I can advise to you is just like some person here have already done so, don't go all in in the moment you see you have 2 really good cards in the beginning, I need to see all the 5 or at least 3 cards down before I make my decisions.

Although everything is possible and you have the benefit of doubt from me but I think odds of such things happening are low.

i think if there is really a cheating going on, then it is the first one.
there must be a bot in the background posing as a human and playing aginst you and most probably it is the house itself because a hack would be caought soon but the hosue can do it forever and has access to all the hands.

They have partnership with Argentina poker room http://www.pokerazul.com/

Maybe is this some computer automated player, not human being. Maybe is some security breach and someone malware is beeing planted. There could be a lot explanations.

the sample is too small to accuse fortunejack of cheating,one should collect more data before saying fortunejack cheats in poker,imho
also whenever I lose at a casino to a rare run I think i'm getting scammed it is only human psychology,poker sites are accused of cheating 24/7 there is nothing new in it.
But it is good that someone started to notice suspicious behavior because it serves multiple purposes:raises public awareness,forces the company itself have a closer
look at a potential security breach,cheaters could lay down low etc.

I dont agree with you as i am also a user in fortunejack and i have also won so many times with a shitty cards and opp player got a very high rack cards like AA, even then he lost it, but that doesn't mean that i am a cheater , it is due to that i was loosing for a long time and it was my turn to win and won it. Even i have also won very high bankroll in fortunejack , i invested 20mbtc and withing 2 hours i am having 200 mbtc then what will you tell that i am cheater. If you are playing poker from long in online then you wont be telling this, because the software is designed that everyone wins in a call it is upto the player to play on that cards.

I am a regular player in fortunejack and till now i have not faced any problem. and even what you are telling is i have seen but that is possible due to the losing streak which you have not recorded it you calculation. If you deeply calculate the way it is working you will also be winner in online poker.

nice catch.

this is why i never liked online Poker, you can never tell. if the opponent is cheating or not and i am not talking about this particular situation but in general, the feeling of being cheated an not being able to do anything except leave is the worst thing that made me leave online poker.

Did you check how he can win 121mbtc? if not maybe he was lucky get nice card to win in some games. long time ago i have play poker start with nothing it's mean i start as a player with the least amount of capital then i win in some games and have greater funds than the entire cast.

In as much as I will want to give credit for your observation and also because of what you witnessed to have created this thread, I will say let's wait for the response of fortune jack, although they will deny it but one thing I know is if its true, since you noticed it someone else will do too or have noticed it too and it won't go on for long... My opinion though...

I was examining all of his plays where I wasn't playing him and it was very suspicious. I left for 30 mins I come back to see what he was doing and  he's the chip leader with over 121 mbtc and he started with almost nothing. If he was just a random reckless newb he would end up blowing his stack not constantly winning almost all hands with no logic or reason in his gameplay

Im pretty sure youre wrong here. Im not defending fortunejack by no means but just because you may have had 2 better starting cards in a hand and called an all in preflop it doesnt mean you should win the hand. Most likely you both have live cards and that player just hit his. Its like a 60/40 game preflop if this is the case.

Just my opinion but no reason to call scam because you lost. If youre gonna get butturt you prob shouldnt play poker at all.

Theres a possibility youre telling the truth and its rigged sure, but the odds are pretty low

Thanks a lot for the warning. Let us know if they reply.

So staff members are payed to cheat?

Well seems like you just caught them in action, nice to see sharp people around.
I can tell you that they are literally the admins of the site or hired staff just to do the things you described.
Of course they are not going to give away their money in a fair game.

I think they use the same software as SWCpoker it looks very similar

What poker network and software is Fortunejack?

I have been playing poker for some time elsewhere and I saw something very suspicious with a player on Fortunejack after playing there for the first time today! I noticed a player who played normal but would go all in pre flop on shit hands and win 100% of those games! Why would someone who played well would go all in out of position on the worse hand ever 5-8 off suit??? It was beyond obvious this person knew the outcome of the game pre flop!!! He doesn't pull that off once but on multiple occasions like he was showing off his ability! The second time around I decided to call him when he goes all in AGAIN pre flop! He goes all in with an 8-6 off suit another shitty hand and wins that also! I've never seen something so obvious that someone knew the outcome pre flop! Does this mean Fortunejack has rigged poker games where they play against players or does it mean someone could have hacked into there software? Anyone else notice suspicious players on this site?

I went to another table and two players who where chip leaders playing with each other like they where sharing there cards.

I reported the likely cheater to Fortunejack but if it might be in house they will likely do nothing about it. I will keep everyone posted on what happens

Does anyone have any recommendations on other Bitcoin poker sites where cheating isn't allowed or tolerated?