Topic: Possible things that gives beginners problems (Read 386 times)

That's why, as a beginner, it's better not to express an opinion first if the post you're responding to doesn't understand and hasn't been studied.
it's better to just listen while learning, slowly but meaningfully. because if forced to reply to a post that is not understood, it will most likely be deleted, especially if the reply is out of topic of conversation.

It would be just simplified that beginners just do not read the rules at all. There's way more things that beginners are not aware of that's why the ban hammer is being with them and they would even do it all over again with new account leading to ban evasion.

I don't think "scamming" is a beginners problem though, since they do have the pure of intention of screwing with people. I guess those newbies that try to take a loan without a collateral in the Loaning section maybe?

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Scams are not moderated by the way.

I think people mostly get a temp ban for plagiarism if I'm not wrong, so it is not only getting negative trust but a user plagiarizing will lose their account as well. And I just wonder how lazy one can be when he simply just copies something that has been written by someone and pastes it making minor changes or in some cases, with no changes at all.

It's a shame if you are caught plagiarizing others' content and claiming it's your own. Even those having English as their second language do their best to at least write things themselves no matter how difficult it can get for them. Besides, one can simply use writing tools such as Grammarly that can assist them with mistakes and errors within their writing.

Honesty I think its deliberate!

Btw Plagiarism is not only recognized on the forum, even in other parts of the world or other working environments do recognize it and its so serious that some people have been sued for stealing ones work without citing the author ...in any part of the world this is unacceptable and has nothing to do with newbies and as the numbers say 60% of newbies clearly shows even high ranked members have been guilty for this probably bought accounts too...

Agreed, keyword here is laziness!

Fact is that our modern world has really affected us even in real life and really cant do things on our own because of the so called smart world. Today we even have people writing articles with the help of AI you can imagine were we going,  research will be soon a thing of the past or rather a very rare thing to do for most and this should be discouraged...we can do wonders if we put our minds to it.

Big problem faced by the beginner or newbie is how get post qualities and some of them have not related post between the topic discussing, we can tolerance about little mistake with grammar because English is not our mother language. Some user use google translate but need to fix about grammar and there are many wrong structure when translating local to English language.

I think how to manage about spam post for the beginner just following about topic can manage or understand well from their knowledge, don't push to follow all topic without understand well and have potential with spam post if push it.

What you've described there can better fit under burst posting, not necessarily spamming. Those who post much within a day or two just to meet up with the weekly quota are guilty of this. For spamming, I like to explain it as posting substandard comments which are out of point or irrelevant to the discussions at hand. A post that doesn't address what the thread is on or responds with relevant idea is a spam post.

Beyond all that you listed OP, I think the negligence of reading through threads and sticked posts is the bane of most beginners. They're often in a haste to start posting straight away because target is often to increase post count and activities but not realizing that it's good to put things in the right order first. That's reading before posting.

The points you listed are  actually true and it has been a big problem even till now. Newbies don't really go through the do and don't of the forum. They just come to the forum and start posting, trying to meet up their post count which at the end of the day the post may not count.
I avoide paraghrasing because i like to use my own words. The forum is not a grammer competition ground. The only thing required is my idea, think deeply and dont copy anyones style.

Paraphrasing and  Plagiarism.
That's a common practice when you dive into a topic or discussion that you didn't know.  So don't interfere with a discussion that you don't know, that's simple as that.  Or if you've researched it from an article, always cite the original source of the information, even if you have paraphrased it, to give credit where it is due.

IMO, it takes me almost a half hour to think about what I've posted, and always hit the "Preview" button before I will post it.

All of your points are excellent, but I had to pick a few to discuss. You can see that the majority of people involved in scamming are newcomers, which is due to a lack of knowledge about cryptocurrency, and I have noticed that some newcomers in these forums are not reading the forum rules and regulations before beginning bitcoin/cryptocurrency trading.
                                  Plagiarism  
When I first joined these forums, one of the most important things my mentor taught me was how to create a quality post on my own without plagiarizing someone else's work. I still believe that lack of knowledge and research, laziness, and, finally, reading the forum rules increase the level of plagiarism, which is why, as you mentioned, newcomers make up 60% of the meta board.

Kodus bruv, I remember a time I was asking myself how I could avoid plagiarising a post ( even though I was told and I read different articles on that) but, I thought there's every possible ways to plagiarized unknowingly, which is what I never wanted my whole life...so I decided to get more sobber and carefull.
Then, after participating in much discussion thread, and I also listened to different people talk, I began to loose up and since then, I've gotten the courage...then, I decided to post a poetry,. which I made since when I was a I had my member rank... People learnt alot from it.

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

Paraphrasing to improve the quality of your own post seems like a good idea to me, especially since you're the author of your own words and simply want to make your grammar readable and understandable to those who read it. When newbies paraphrase someone else's work, I believe the best thing they should do is cite the person; by doing so, they've avoided the issue of plagiarism because they cited the original owner and made it clear that the words are not their own. In some cases in this forum I’ve seen, copying word to word is not usually a problem once the original author is sighted at the end of the article.

• Plagrism yeah I got it, This point is the most important one mentioned by the Op and I would like to add something here more according to the recent developments. AI content posting will be also considered spamming, and plagiarism so posts naturally don't run for merits using AI tools. I will suggest my new fellows be just active and participate in the discussion it will greatly help you in ranking up. Creating useful threads is the next step you can take.
  
• A current major concern is AI posting so I think everyone should avoid AI content whoever doesn't know because it can lead your account to a temporary ban or maybe a permanent ban. I am not stuck with the rules for the newbies as consecutive posting, primed quotes, and low quality but on plagiarism and Ai posting I think there is no relation with these rules and the maximum of the accounts involve in Ai posting are Alt accounts.

Overall Op best of luck with the future as your compilation is quite good and from your this post I am assuming that you already know a lot about the rules here. It will greatly help you in ranking fastly and gaining a good reputation among seniors

When you looked at the beginning of OP concepts it's obvious that both plagiarism and Paraphrasing is a similar definition and when you peruse into it properly it looks same, so therefore both have to be avoided so that it won't cause eruption to anyone growth. Even high rank members paraphrase some of their posts to meet up to post quota which is not supposed to be compromised. Let us ignore some certain errors and educate or encourage our younger ones to eradicate the forms of committing plagiarism and Paraphrasing.

I've seen a couple of occasions in which individuals paraphrase other people's posts, and occasionally they get themselves into trouble. I consider the forum as a real-life conversation where people speak and you simply respond to them meaningfully, I don't see any reason why you would feel hesitant to actively participate in discussions. beginners are the ones that utilize this paraphrasing the most because they don't believe in their own abilities to write high-quality posts, It's good that they're being reported because people who post those posts are human just like you, so why would you replicate other people's work.



The only difference between paraphrasing and plagiarism is that those who paraphrase believe they are more intelligent. Laziness isn't the sole factor, in my opinion ignorance and carelessness also play a significant role. However, some new members simply join the forum and start posting without reading the rules. It's a bad start for newbies to ignore the forum rules, if they hadn't they would've known the consequences of paraphrasing and they would have been more careful. As newbies i expect them to read more and ask questions instead of trying to make posts just to earn merits.

Both spamming and plagiarism are the result of a user being too lazy to conduct additional research in order to bring something qualitative, informative, and useful to the forum; instead, they paraphrase someone else's content in order to change some words and claim it as their own, which is very wrong globally, not just in this forum; therefore, we should avoid plagiarism because it is a crime.

The last warning on your list is the most important one, any form of plagiarism on this forum can't be forgiven, you will instantly get yourself painted with red trust if you engage in the act of plagiarism on this forum, the fault is on newbies not ready to read first before using the forum.

All of these are common knowledge and there are countless threads about it, if you had used the search button you'd find quite a lot of them. The forum isn't really all that stringent and people really don't have to watch their steps carefully, it is basically just a discussion forum and you shouldn't do things that you ordinarily would not do in other discussion forums, like scamming, spamming, plagiarism and the rest; there is hardly any place that it is acceptable.

Having said that, Beginners would not have too many problems on the forum if they just be themselves, because as far as freedom of speech goes, Bitcointalk uphold that quite strongly.

Those mistakes is avoidable if they could just read the rules of this forum posted, its easy to locate it so there's no excuse for anyone to commit a mistake on those possible violation they can get. So to get good run here always do legal actions  and avoid taking advantage on anything especially cheating on something that you think can give you wrong take about fast way to rank up. Just do all organically and all of your efforts in forum will be paid up plus you will end up more knowledgeable since you can read all forum users discussions and other information's.

All you've listed, plagiarism is the quickest means to end a career in bitcointalk because you will immediately get a permanent banned as soon as it been discovered, paraphrasing also has a purnishable offence but if lucky it may not be a permanent ban, instead a temporary one but a continuous process will eventually landed you on same track of doing plagiarism, other ones does not give ban, if you spam your post will likely end been deleted, if you scam you may be lucky to remain here because spam isn't moderated but spamming is, but the good is to always abstain oneself from all the above bad mannered attitudes.

Firstly beginners won’t have much problem if the only just read through the forum before they start posting, on thing I am sure that would have eliminated if it were carried out is spamming.

There is the rules, pinned post on board especially this one
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/newbies-read-before-posting-1689727

The forum never expected newbies to be perfect but with all this pieces of information giving away it can help newbies find a good path here in the forum.

To summarize it all, I'll say greed is the reason behind all you're trying to say in your thread. Without greed newbies won't engage in this crimes. It's because of the greediness in them that makes them want to steal someone else works to pass it as theirs so they get the accolades and probably the merits reward needed to grow their accounts. If not for the greed, they won't be spamming the forum just to meet up weekly quota for their campaign to get paid. Same thing with greed when it comes to scamming people as well as people who are satisfied with what life has given them won't result ti scamming others if the little they have as well.

To avoid all this problem, one needs to able to control his greed, we all have it in us but how will manage it will determine how successful we'll be both on the forum and off the forum. You have to put in the work if you want to grow yourself and your account. Avoid this shortcuts as they only end in regrets. If you visit the meta board, you'll see users regretting for the plagiarism they did. You can learn from their mistakes and better yourself or you pay the price when you engage in this crimes in the OP.

The rules in this forum are not strange or new. If you are privileged to attend college you will acknowledge that plagiarism is a crime that leads to expulsion from school, especially in higher degrees. paraphrasing without referencing the source of the information is also considered plagiarism. Scamming is a crime everywhere in the world and it could lead to imprisonment. The issue of spamming might not be an issue in most social media but it is also frowned upon in most schools. If more than one student submits the same answer to personal assignments, the teacher might penalize them for copying each other.

If you analyze the rules of this forum, it will be clear that they are not stringent at all. These rules are not new because most platforms and educational institutions also apply these rules. Therefore these rules shouldn't discourage any member from joining and enjoying this forum. All they need to do is read the rules and try as much as possible to respect and obey them.        
      

What he meant is there are other topics whom content are the same with this one. I got your point, that its helpful to others who doesnt know it yet. But being redundant on subject like this isnt tolerated by others. Since there are of same topic been posted once in a while. Thanks for the effort though you must use search function to see if there are already content you wanted to make so it wouldnt double or become a spam to every thread. Its not wrong to make topics OP but some here looking for nee ideas or any topic that might interest them. But dont be down if some here would correct you, its good thing since they suggested something to you.

The topic will be useless to someone who knows it already, but it will act as reminder if they have forgotten. Someone who is new and it haven't know the implications of what is being stated from the thread will pick some points valuable. Old members will not see this thread courageous why beginners will find it courageous.

In the case as you describe below.
Not only beginners, even high-ranking ones are not spared from the four elements they commit, mistakes.

My understanding, every beginner who comes here it is important they read and pay attention to these rules: Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ, if they consider and study some of the rules written there, they rookies should be fine here without any problems.

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Sometimes we see a lot of beginners, they know all the rules, but many of them underestimate it, they think it's all nonsense and ignore it, after they are ensnared in a case / case they always ask for a second, third chance and don't repeat the mistake again, that's what we often see here, actually they know the punishment for it.

Almost all megathreads are filled with paraphrasing. The question discussed on the front page, asked a few months ago after a while, receives the same type of answers, which in part can be called paraphrasing. I don't know if users read all the pages, but I don't see the point in replying to threads like this. And you may ask, "Who is not a spammer when people are not too lazy to paraphrase or chew on the same topic?"
This topic is just as common a paraphrase, and many understand why the OP created it.
But to say that it is useless is useless . Since exactly the same topic will appear after a while and everyone knows it.

Rewarding accounts that contribute well to the forum is a plus.
Those of us who have been on this forum for a long time and dedicate time to the forum, to exchange ideas and be critical of what is happening.
The rewards are not only Money, but the way we think will be different.

New or old members who do not use honest methods will only become useless trash. How can it be expected, if they only use instant methods?
A good punishment is a warning or a banning, but they will not be expelled in this forum.
They will remain with a sign that says they are a spammer.

Rules are made to be obeyed, and if violated there will be sanctions given.
Helping other members is certainly a good thing, but not everything will be rewarded.

People who paraphrase are under the pressure to impress with their writing style. The intention is usually to attract merits or make one seem like a good poster when they are not. Paraphrasing is equivalent to stealing someone's work.

Some newbies who do not go through forum rules may not have a proper idea of what spamming is, even some old members spam some mega threads to meet up post count, that is highly not advisable.

The forum is a platform to learn, but everyone is not here to learn. As a member of this forum, you have to be cautious and careful with other forum members especially those that will send you private messages. Not everyone has good intentions here so you should be careful who you choose to trust. Before you are scammed, your trust is usually gained. If you easily trust, you will easily be scammed.

I agree. On other Internet forums, this problem is not so big, but on this forum there is a possibility of earning, and that is why some new members of the forum try to find a quick way to reach a certain forum rank and start earning.
Everything depends on the motivation and work of new members. All new members who had an honest approach, and invested effort and time to contribute in some way to this forum, were eventually rewarded for it. All other members, who used dishonest methods such as text plagiarism or spam, were eventually caught and kicked out of this forum.
Follow the rules on this forum and you won't have any problems.
Invest your time and effort to help other forum members and you will be rewarded.

Guide threads are most common thread type created by new members. In guide thread type, plagiarism is most favorite topic for new members.

From text spinning, paraphrasing, Google translating (English > Local language and vice versa), AI-generating, lazy members have many ways to steal intellectual idea and contents of others. Generally you can classify paraphrasing, spamming and plagiarism into a same trait type of members with nearly zero-contribution for forum.

Plagiarsism QA topics. I don't think new topics about plagiarism are necessary

If you order for a new gadget, the first thing to check out and spend time on after opening the casing is the manual book.

Newbies this days don't do this, how can you understand the rules of a platform if you don't trying finding what and what are against the platform rules and regulation, this is why many newbies get in trouble fast.

Some forum don't care about paraphrasing, spamming, or plagiarism, and they come on this forum, thinking every forum are the same, this is why many of they can't tell the difference when someone is trying to scam them online or when a scam project is giving them an offer they can't ignore.

It's not all newbies that come on this forum have bad intention, many of them are just ignorant with themselves and everything they get into, but still, ignorance is a disease, as for scamming, well some intent won't last long in the forum, the moment someone posts something sketchy and malicious on the forum they will be dealt with, with immediate effect.

many newbies are entangled in cases of spam posts or low-quality posts, that's not their fault, and those who report are also not wrong, because it's for the good of the newbies in the future. but sometimes beginners still find such actions bitter, because they feel they are not considered.

If someone register on this forum, having the intention to scam and make a scam attempt, the account of the person would be painted with negative trust, that is true. But that is done by the forum members and you should know that scam is not moderated on this forum.

One day I began to think of things that will deprive people's not to participate in the forum and make their posting skills irrelevant, and also cause a permanent ban, when reading the guidelines of the forum through the link sent to me on my previous threads I created, and I recalled that paraphrasing, spamming, plagiarism and scamming.Is the main factor, When I read directly in meta board I noticed their is a thread created because of plagiarism, and I saw some of the appeals made by people, I became shocked. From the observation I note  ;)down the things that may possibly leads beginners into issues.

                             Paraphrasing

Paraphrasing, this have to be avoided for someone who wants to come up with wise ideas since its against the forum. And I note down why people do paraphrase is due to laziness and also claims to make a quality posts, and from what I observed. People who paraphrased do that because they want the claims of using a good grammatical irony for their text composition to claim that they are original author because of qualities posts, It will be impressed that a newbie come up with new ideas than Paraphrasing someone articles, let us try to be avoiding Paraphrasing.

                               Spamming

Spamming, this is basically known that people who commit this crime is people who is making several posts daily in one thread to accumulate their posts within a day or two days to make out twenty to forty posts within the range of one or two days. In meta board some people agitate for deletion of their posts. The result of spamming is deletion of posts due to low quality posts. From observation I note down that what reduces low quality is when you turn spamming as habits and respond to a thread you don't have the ideas of the discussion. Spamming can make your profile irrelevant in contributions.

                                Scamming

Scamming, this in particular is a crime in any nation, so what I understand here is that scamming is a punishable offence in the forum, and a situation the forum notice that your motive to be here is a scam, the account of the user will be damage with red trust. Scam should be avoided because it's one of the things forum forbids, and also be aware of scam.

                                  Plagiarism  

Plagiarism, these are one of the things that get most  people ban in the forum, anyone who avoid plagiarism have long way to go as a beginner, when you go across of plagiarism/copy and paste threads in meta board, most of users reported plagiarised, 60% are newbies. And a plagiarism sometimes is being committed intentional because the users trying to make a quality posts with copyright. What I note down that causes plagiarism is laziness and inability to research before making a post. It will be helpful to be original author of your work than Paraphrasing someone's work or plagiarised someone's article.

It will be helpful if we avoid all these and have our way of drafting something meaningful without be victims of committing crimes.