Topic: Post here if you don't understand some part of gambling and I'll answer (Read 2016 times)

Or he could be bluffing, either way the disadvantages of a poker sites in web browser client is that it is easy to bypass it by using few kinds of browser, someone could be having few accounts just with 1 laptop, not to mention he use another vpn to get into the tournaments too

Not all gambling site has a same House edge.  Example :
Abc Dice has 1% House Edge , XXXdice has 0.08% HE , and Xyz has 3% HE

IMO, I like to play lower HE.
But I saw even site has high HE , there are pretty much gambler around there

Actually what is the advantage & disadvantage for Player & HOUSE if the site has high House Edge ?
what is the advantage & disadvantage for Player & HOUSE if the site has lower House Edge ?

May I ask what do you do with your poker winnings like how do you put it to work? Do you invest in real estate or buying stocks or simply put everything in a bank and live off the interest?

yeah, with free rolls this is inevitable. There is always going to be these folks who are shoving most hands very early on. They either double up and can try to play more proper or just lose right away and save themselves some time. They really dont have to much to lose doing so. Again, i think you still need to make these easy calls to get through the tourney anyhow. Let the bingo monkeys play bingo

Hi, it's the first hand I played in that freeroll, it's not the final table. I thought I got lucky so I was allin with pocket Q.

One guy told me maybe that guy who called with 5Jo may have many accounts in betcoin, so he can all in with every hand. If he lost, he can log-in with other accounts to play. I think that's very reasonable explanation. And the other explanation: he is a lucky bad player, lol. 

beat me to it phildo, nice points. 

To me, thats exactly what im looking for! I want these small garbage hands to call when dominated. I understand where you are coming from, most of us have experienced these terrible beats from players making stupid moves and it somehow works out. bet there is no way to combat this, what are you gonna do fold QQ/KK Pre flop? Just take those silly bad beats for what they are, silly bad beats. Theres also alot of factors as to why they might be calling with these hands, stack sizes, positioning, a good read, money bubbles. Keep with the gameplan.

qq is going to beat j5 86% of the time, that leaves 14% of the time for you to lose. You also need to take stack sizes into account. At the final table if someone has 50 big blinds and you have 4, they probably don't care what their cards are, they aren't risking that much and the reward for knocking you out is worth the risk.

This is also my question, nowadays I have very bad luck, always bad beat by other donk calls and all-ins.

My examples:
1. once I played in betcoin, I was allin with pocket Q, the other one called with 5Jo, and he got three of Jacks, he had good luck although he is a donk call with 5Jo against my QQ.

2. there is a famous all-in guys named kevin235r, he is always all-in with every hand in freerolls in every poker house. He usually beat us with 27o against our A+X or pocket pair

So I have to play tightly when in freeroll unless I am in final cash table. A few minutes ago I had a very good hands, I was all-in with AKs, but bad beat by 45o donk call. I have nothing to complain because luck is one part of poker. 

How exactly do you deal with Donks which I mostly see in on-line poker rooms and they just don't care what hand they have and go all-in every time.

I usually wait for a hand which statistically have higher probability of winning but it doesn't works every time.

It's really nice to see ya around Micon

What events are you planning to play this year ??

a professional gambler must be winning at gambling over the long set.  Year over year.

A big budget, without regards to winning or losing over the long set, is a "high roller"

an addict with a gambling problem, no matter the stakes played, is a "degenerate"



Maybe in the "real" world, but I lived in Vegas for most of a decade, and gambling is just a regular part of life there.  When bitcoins and Seals started getting popular, most of my peers were really positive about the project.  If you live in a place with very little or no gambling, or in an area where gambling is viewed as a bad thing, I could see how they might be hatin'.  I wouldn't live in such a place, personally.



Shills aren't usually to recover the freeroll money.  Shills are usually used to make a poker room more busy, or to start cash games.  I would say about 25% of poker sites and/or poker rooms still use Shills.  They are a leftover position from a previous time in poker, and personally I don't thing it's dishonest for a poker site to use them, so long as they make it very clear what they are doing.

While I don't feel they are dishonest, I doubt I will ever have a "shill" working for SwC Poker.  A "Pro" is like a shill, except that it is presented clearly to the other players and usually it's someone that the player base likes to talk to and ask questions.  A "Pro" is more of an ambassador while a "Shill" seems more like something sneaky that is supposed to look like a regular player.

How common it is for Poker-Sites to appoint Shills who play for them in their Free-rolls/Tournaments and they make sure that Prize money gets back to the site?

What does it mean when someone says he is a professional gambler? Isn't he just an addict with a gambling problem, but a big budget to spend, a high roller?

Do you care about what other people think of you when you say you have a gambling business and have there been instances where you have been looked upon funnily or not taken seriously.

Oh, cool, we can learn a lot from the bankroll management, it's the most difficult thing in poker, without a good bankroll management, we would bankrupt easily.

I like the tournament bankroll, I never join a live tour, but I will try in the future. And I will remember the tip: “1% of bankroll.  Yup, you need 100x buy-ins to play that tournament. ”

the problem is we are playing with the system that often changed
one way only by luck 

unless you are cheating, they are not beatable. 

Ok, a corner case for everything:

Bingo has been a staple of Las Vegas for decades.  Some "bingo halls" (they are just big rooms within the mega-casinos) have progressive jackpots.  The game of bingo is horribly -EV, usually a ~15-20% hold.  This is 15x-20x greater of a hold than Primedice.  Imagine playing a game 20 times worse than dice... anyway, the progressive jackpot isn't usually high enough to swing the game from that negative to +EV.  But sometimes... I think it happened once during my time in Vegas, the usually ~10k progressive bingo jackpot swelled to over $100k.  I don't have the math handy for bingo, but a handful of advantage players said they were playing bingo that week.  So yes, even bingo can be +EV sometimes, but it's so damn rare it's likely best practice to tell everyone that bingo isn't beatable.

What about lotteries? Or bingo? Any tips or strategies? Or is it pure luck involved with these?

Haha yeah you are right about the 1000 yard stare, all them screens dont help, quiting poker was just as hard as learning to beat the games, brain went to shit for a while, couldnt work out what to do.

Cryptocurrency booming reminds me of poker, the traders seem to do alright, i did consider getting into trading but already made that mistake with poker, cant be fooled twice.  Opted for a safe business instead, might trade on the side end of next bubble.  Maybe the crypto trading best days are already over.

Good luck with thread and new site.

It's a good question.  The emotional highs and lows of gambling often affect the gambler's actions.  If a guy is losing big, he may bet more or move up in stakes to try and win it back quickly.  The term of "chasing" is often used to describe this.  If a guy is winning big he may start betting less to conserve the profit, or he may get manic and feel invincible, upping the stakes.  He also may "heat check" or make a bet that he wouldn't usually make if he was around even or losing, but now with the new found money he may take a flop in hold'em for more money than his good sense tells him to, just to "see if he's on a streak"

All of this is rubbish, but we are all human.  The goal is to not get too high on the highs, and not get too low on the lows.  For poker, riding a good or bad streak also affects how the other humans perceive you - your poker opponents are not computers, they are humans just like you, with all of the possible biases and the often misunderstanding of independent probability - so if you have won a few hands in a row, the guy in the big blind may be more "scared of you" than he should be.  Keeping a level head is the goal, again much easier said than done.

A quick story somewhat off topic, but along the lines of "what motivates your opponents at the poker table" - I was in one of my first poker tournaments, a small event held in Mirage poker room c. 2004, at a time where that room was still relevant - on a break, I was talking, like a fish, to another fish.  This man had just beaten me in a huge pot making a crazy call with AK on a board of 5-7-J-J - I had pocket 10's and shoved like 2x pot on the turn.  He called with nothing but A-K high, and hit an Ace on the river, just like in the movies .  On break I asked him "why did you call me with only AK?"  (this was a time in poker when many would talk openly about the hand right after it happened, now it would be considered taboo to even ask) And this older Asian man replied to me, and I totally believe him:  "I call you with Ace and King because it was heart and diamond, so I think love and money and I just go with it."

that's the kind of shit you are up against - some incomprehensible, ill-conceived logic.  The way I would counter such logic at a poker table would be to valuebet this particular player heavy, go 1.3 pot if I want to, he is more likely to find some crazy reason to call than your average donk.


yes.  I consider most things to be gambling.  Insurance is gambling.  A forced, -EV gamble in most jurisdictions.  Makes me think why we are even taking a rake on things like medical insurance...

But anyway, alt coins can be beaten by pros, as I have spoke to some beating the game.  It's a filthy game IMO.  The pump-and-dump nature of all the scrypt hashing power pointing to the alt-du-jour, mixed with the same graph I've seen over and over again... the initial pop followed by the downward decay.  To beat this game you need to be in on the pre-mines, you need to be one of the hype-men advertising the next newest, greatest alt, these guys are gifted big amounts of the new alts, and as much as they tell you they are holding for the long term, they are dumping right at the start.

The same logic applies for the (thankfully sub-categorized) HYIP scams - totally beatable - if you are the guy running it or one of the initial few guys connected to the real information.  I've seen smart men game these systems successfully, treating it much like poker - sure you will lose a few pots, but you'll win far greater value than you will lose.   I would never participate in an HYIP even if I thought I could beat them, as they are extremely dishonest and intentionally mismanage "investor" expectations.  I only participate in gambling games where all sides agree and stick to the rules.  there should be no surprises when I win or lose.

Do you consider trading alt coins a form of gambling, and one that can be beaten by skilled "players"?

very simple yes-or-no bets made between 2 entities.  Think of them like statement betting.  

"The price of bitcoin according to X exchange will be >= Y price on Z date & time"

[using more english]

"The price of Bitcoin according to Bitstamp will be >=$300 USD on 5/5/2015 at 5:55 UTC"

A binary option must only have 2 possible outcomes.  The sites that run binary options usually charge a fee to the winner.  Binary options have been around the financial and equity markets for a while.  The site that runs them charges a fee, and from a player perspective to beat that fee you need to have proper information before the rest of the market.  This system is like poker, in that it will create many losers and a few winners.  I don't dabble in them, although some of my earlier BFL-facing bets (that are public here in this forum) are very similar to a binary option.


0)  we have different definitions of "pretty famous"
1)  It is possible to make a living out of poker.  Also possible to make a living out of picking up everyone's trash.  It is worth restating that it's not as glamorous as it seems to do so.
2)  Freerolls have a very low "EV" or "expected value"  The purpose of them is to offer a +EV situation (albeit very small) to every player in the tournament.  The amount that I could win by playing every freeroll on the internet all day every day is likely far less than minimum wage.  
3) I like to play live.  Some only like to play behind a computer.  I have read many books on reading tells (Joe Navarro's "Read 'em and Reap" is one of the best physical tells books I have ever read.  I use it more in business & life than in poker, but damn it's really good for poker too)
4) hahahaha I love those blue sunglasses!  They are prescription, and I had the lenses re-fitted in early 2014 when my prescription changed.  I tried to match the previous color but notice the 2014 pictures have a slightly lighter blue.  I wear them everyday, they are not special for poker, just my sunglasses, and I thing I look "Like a poker player" when I wear them.  It's about how the others at the table perceive me when I'm playing big tournaments.
5) there is so much information about poker on the internet in 2015.  If you desire to learn some part of the game, even an overview for a newb, there are so many youtube videos and training sites now.  Google your exact question, you are likely to find a forum with a detailed answer.  For training sites, I like Cardrunners, Deuces Cracked, Bluefire, and Leggo poker.  Books i can only recommend the Navarro book because it's so brilliant - but almost all learnings & teachings about pokers happen on the internet now.
5)


yes, almost all online casinos reshuffle every hand of BJ in 2015.  I think Cloudbet has a "live" blackjack table that does not.  It reminds me of a funny story in early-internet gambling.  in ~1998 or so, I was in college (yup, I got old back there somewhere, if you are lucky it will happen to you too) and the first online casinos were sprouting up.  Very jank software, very lazy coding, and obviously 1998 level security and integrity. With no real aim other than to light some money on fire while drinking and smoking weed, my friends and I loaded up... I think it was "Intercasino" but maybe not... and we deposited $100 or so and started playing all of the games.  I had read an article on blackjack card counting and wanted to know more.  Because it was 1998 I had to buy a book with BlackJack basic strategy.  This online casino we were playing dealt Blackjack from 1 deck, and down to the last card, then it reshuffles and starts over.  By the end of the week, we had a deck next to the computer where one guy eliminated all the cards as they were dealt.  We knew exactly the 52nd card to come  Insurance decisions towards the end of the deck became very +EV We were not professional gamblers, we didn't "go for the kill," we also didn't want to get in trouble or generate massive USD transfers, so we won a few $K over a few weeks and received the cashouts, each time for like $700 or $950, just scared of getting that 4 digit check  We were even given some early "VIP rewards" in the form of $500 travel vouchers, which I thought were a scam at the time and just threw away when they sent them with the check.  We were even invited to Vegas for a high rollers weekend, but none of us were 21+  lol.  FYI they fixed that shit within a few weeks, went to 2 decks and dealing *almost* to the end.  Was still beatable, then a within a year they were doing the every-hand-reshuffle.



It is clear this man is telling the truth, he has been in the battle for many years and emerged with the 1000 yd stare.  I've seen some of my friends adjust when the USA government turned off Pokerstars / FTP, some moved overseas to keep playing, some turned into live grinders, and some did other things.  The ones that started doing other things seem the happiest to me now.  A buddy of mine, having won and lost $1M over the last ~8 years or so, went broke and then started a Drone business with a financial backer.  He seems much happier than the ones that stayed to continue playing.

Thanks for the bankroll management clarification, what about tips on how to cope with running bad in gambling and how to stay calm when having a heater and keeping most of the profit. Basically dealing with the mental aspect of gambling. Thank you.

Great advice and an awesome thread. Nothing to ask, just wanted to post 

Prolly the best explaination of card counting on the internet:  http://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/card-counting/introduction/

[I'll likely be referring to Wizardofodds many times in this thread.  It's the best site I've found to explain the gambling-math behind many popular games]

tl;dr - it's fucking hard, it's rare to find the right rules, and tough to remember all the correct decisions.  But it's possible.


I am in love with the sports-betting culture of UK / EU.  I've never been, but I've been told there is a William Hill parlour on every corner, and when I had my baby it would have been tradition for me to walk into one and bet my daughter would win gold in a future Olympics. 



1) no, i got 4th in 2009 $1500 HORSE, that's the closest I've came to winning one.  I have 1 other WSOP final table, a $2000 NL event in 2006.  I have won smaller tournaments but nothing is like that bracelet
2) definitely not - with let's say 40 players entering a freeroll, an average-skilled player would win ~1/40.  A professional would win the tournament about 1/25 times. 
3) there are some pros on SwC, but the vast majority are bitcoin enthusiasts that like to play lower-limit poker.  SwC isn't quite big enough yet to attract the attention of big-money seeking pros.



there is something human about this.  The ability to apply denial and still make a bad bet when deep-down you know it's -EV.  I've seen many gamblers trapped in this state of denial, and hence they are always broke.


here are simple poker bankroll management rules that many smart, otherwise winning poker players simply refuse to follow:

Cash games:
Only buy in 5% max of your bankroll.  Better number is 2-3% to reduce "risk of ruin"  that means if you don't have 20 buy-ins in your POKER BANKROLL (this should be separate from your LIFE BANKROLL) you shouldn't play that game.

Tournaments: 
1% of bankroll.  Yup, you need 100x buy-ins to play that tournament. 

The above guidelines should be understood that you are a winning player in the games you are playing.  This very important fact "am I a winning player or not" is where that denial comes in.  The most self destructive gambler is the guy that believes he is a winning player but in fact is a losing player.  Keep your records.  Graph that shit.  Be real with yourself - so much harder to do than to write.




Anything I missed, new topics, or any clarification, I enjoy talking & typing about what I know. 

I played professionally from about 2007 - 2012 as main source of income, it was a very bad decision.  Stress built up over the years as the games got tougher, income was down year on year.  Ending up burning out.

This is very good advice i'd only suggest playing professionally if you are a poker celebrity who gets invited to live events or has sponsorship or you run a VERY successful training site.  Otherwise play part time at most.

I would like to get some tips and tricks about bankroll management because this is for me the most important foundation of successful gambling. If you have the time please write a concise explanation for a poker and sportsbetting bankroll management to cater to all players thank you.

Movies and all make it sound like an easy concept but counting is very hard in real time. And the edge you get with it is pretty small. But if you have a lot of bankroll and can sit on a table with high stakes, it will be profitable. But casinos are easily able to spot the counters these days.

How come some people don't understand basic probability and yet think they can out think all previous mathematicans and devise a "winning strategy" when they have a negative EV?

Multiple decks can still provide a beatable game, but like Bryan Micon said it is very difficult to win long-term at blackjack.
The most realistic goal for many talented blackjack players would be to earn really good comps while not spending much money. If you manage to become a "world class" player, then most casinos will eventually ban you from playing blackjack.

You are right, binary option has very high house edge, dice is much better than it, unless some one has inside info, and bet before important news releasing.

General traders can hardly earn money from them because the house edge is ridiculous high.

I'd like to point out that casinos can ban you on the premise or suspicion of you counting cards - they don't need to prove it or anything. Basically if you're doing consistently well over a long period of time they can ask you to leave.

Just want to add that the casino can ban you from their casino for counting cards in some places. There are still places they do manual shuffles or a machine shuffles but it is not continuous. You need a large bankroll to have a shot at beating blackjack but getting banned may make it not worth it if you play poker tournaments.

Unless you have insider information - it's binary options are nothing more than a dice game with a huge -EV (the company takes anywhere between 5-20%) as they are basically a guessing game. Not to mention if you did have insider information there are a lot of easier and faster ways for you to profit off that info that binary options. Basically, don't do it unless you want to lose even more money than you would at a 1% edge dice game.

If you have any, share your knowledge on "binary options"

usually 6-8 decks of cards.

Here is the best link talking about blackjack: http://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/, and you can calculate house edge here: http://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/calculator/

In general, more decks of cards, the higher house edge. That's why 1 deck BJ is rare to see.

I just calculate 1 deck BJ, it's minus house edge,   wow, the game which casino gives us money 

I thought you were joking until I searched you up and damn must I say you're pretty famous xD.

Few questions:

1. Is it possible for one to make a living out of playing poker? It seems you are really good at it so I would hope so.
2. There are alot of poker sites that give out freerolls eg bitcoinpoker.gg, nitrogen sports, did you try playing those? If you could you can win a ton.
3. Is it better to play physically because you can see other people bluff?
4. How long have you had your blue sunglasses, they're in every picture xD
5. What would you recommend reading over to people who are new to poker. I know the rules of poker and hands and stuff but I'm not really good at it. Are there any pointers you can give me? And what websites to read to learn more?

and some casinos use more than 1 set of cards in every deal right? so counting cards doesnt give you an advantage in some casinos

Yes he does, but it was a gift from a friend

Bryan Micon, wow, I just google your name, cool, there are many your pictures when you play in live tournaments.

And google tells me about you:  http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=67931

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A good player, a few questions:

1. have you get a WSOP bracelet before?  
2. if you join freerolls in SWC, can you win 50% of freerolls?
3. are there many pros in SWC?

Here in Europe you can switch those two statistics around

Yes, it's true, you can decrease house edge if you count cards.

But many big casinos use continuous shuffle machine, so counting card is meaningless when you play there.

And I think online casinos reshuffle every time as well.

Martingale strategy is well applied in binary options

I recommend secondstrade.com

blackjack. how about that
i just seen on movie 21 blackjack we should to count a cards , it is true? im still dont understand

Bryan Micon here, decade-long professional poker player.  Don't believe me?  hit the google.  I am also the SwC Poker guy. 

I see a lot of terrible gambling advice and general misunderstanding of gambling thrown around this forum.  I think there are many young humans in the bitcoin world an they could benefit from asking a guy like me some questions and getting some straight answers.

I'll hit some highlights before we begin:

1)  Martingale is a long-term losing strategy, assuming you don't have an infinite bankroll and the betting game has limits.
2)  If a game has a "negative expected value," there is no system that can beat it.  If someone tells you they have a Dice strategy, they don't.  If they did, they would run it themselves and certainly not share this information.
3)  Most gamblers will tell you they can beat sports betting.  >99% of them are lying.
4)  Most gamblers will tell you they can beat poker.  ~85% of them are lying.
5)  Blackjack, when playing with certain rules, keeping a proper count, and knowing what to do when the count is X, can be beaten.  It is really fucking hard and very few people can do it properly.  There is also massive variance.  Most players that tell you they can count and beat blackjack are lying, but it is possible.
6)  Craps is beatable, google "The Dominator" and watch his "Breaking Vegas" episode.  Very few, I mean likely <100 humans can beat craps.  Only a handful for big money.  it's possible, but again, if someone tells you they are beating craps, ask about their controlled throw and how many months they have practiced.  If they look at you funny, they are lying.  If they have a craps table in their garage, maybe they are not lying.  But still ask to see them throw.
7)  Roulette was once beat by a team strapping a small computer to one member, timing the wheel rotations, timing the ball spinning, and zero-ing on a quadrant during the short window of time that betting is open after the wheel and ball have started spinning.  There is also such a thing as a "corrupt wheel" in roulette that favors one number or a group of numbers.  It is hard to get statistically significant data off of 1 roulette wheel as a player, but again, it can be done.  However it's highly unlikely anyone telling you about their roulette strategy is a winning roulette player.  In fact, I've found most roulette players to be the most degen.
Poker is of course beatable.  I've beaten it over a long set.  ~8/10 players lose.  ~1/10 players is break even, or close enough to break even on either side it rounds to 0.  ~1/10 players win over the long set.  Poker has gotten much harder since I started playing professionally in ~2005.  I would never suggest someone try to play poker professionally.  If you want to play a lot of poker and follow the tour, I'd suggest limiting it to no more than 5 years seriously.  And do so after you have become wealthy enough that your "pro" career won't affect your personal finances.  So often have I seen really smart kids get into poker and then do nothing but poker for such a long period of their lives.  Sure it's a lot of fun, but many of these stories don't end well.  The life of a small-winning poker player isn't very glamorous.  Only a select few are killing it to the point where it's a dream-job in terms of money and how much time you have for other interests.  Most of those beating poker for big money also have sponsorships or some other source of income.  I would never play poker as my main source of income ever again, and even when I was making very good money during the "golden years" of online poker, I still had businesses and websites and other income streams.  If someone is going to become a pro player, there is likely nothing I can do to stop that person.  If you are on the fence, don't do it.  Start a business, make something useful that other humans want or need.  So much brilliant brainpower banged up against each other over 2 cards down and 5 in the middle.  Seems like we should be trying to solve the energy crisis - you know - doing real shit, not just playing games.  That's most of my rant on poker. 

Ask me anything about gambling.