Prejudice against signature campaigns

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Quote from: Captain Corporate on December 22, 2019, 03:56:16 AM

Stop the hate against people who have signature campaigns.

Ah, this isn't prejudice against those who partipate in signature campaigns. TMAN hates everyone equally on this forum, and we love them for it.

Seriously though, I actually love some of the "personal" signatures we see. There were a lot more a few years ago, but they usually point out useful information or decent start ups.

Quote from: DdmrDdmr on December 24, 2019, 08:41:13 AM

I’ve grown to not see signatures at all, with a few exceptions. Not because there is any active feature on my profile that blocks them, but rather more, my reading habits skip them without giving them a second thought.

Everyone does this without even realizing they're doing it. I call it my internal ad block. For example, where this is most noticeable is advertisements on TV. You could be engrossed in your favorite tv show one second, and not hear a horn going off next to your ear. The next moment when the advertisements come on you could earn a pin drop from outside. If you're British advert breaks have turned into put on the tea breaks.

Quote from: okae on December 24, 2019, 07:11:35 AM

signature campaigns are "forcing" to his users to post arround 15-25 post per week, this is like "incentiving" someone to spam this forum, obviously they want them to post with a high quality, but this in most of the cases, will not happend... maybe an easy solutions is to force signature campaign managers to pay to his users for a max of 5-10 post per week, maybe with this measure, those post will have a better quality.

Some campaigns are now imposing no minimum which takes the pressure off of users, and with a few exceptions there's generally more quality posts being put out.

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I’ve grown to not see signatures at all, with a few exceptions. Not because there is any active feature on my profile that blocks them, but rather more, my reading habits skip them without giving them a second thought.

I may occasionally click on a link in a signature inadvertently and wonder for a split second how I ended-up there, but other than that, I become aware of signatures only when the same campaign extends one post(er) after another, turning the heterogeneous signature layout on screen into an homogeneous layout.

What’s really more of a pondered visual element, after a while, is the poster’s name, which can easily, in an almost automated reaction, cause me to slow down my reading and focus on the content of his post, or switch to fast diagonal reading.

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Quote from: mersal on December 24, 2019, 07:19:40 AM

Managers also should enforce the users to post high quality content to keep the forum spam free by warning them like improve post quality near their name if they still doing the same then they should be removed them from campaign.

Actually I've seen a few enfording this, with yahoo's Cryptotalk campaign being an example.

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Quote from: okae on December 24, 2019, 07:11:35 AM

Signature campaigns are "forcing" to his users to post arround 15-25 post per week, this is like "incentiving" someone to spam this forum, obviously they want them to post with a high quality, but this in most of the cases, will not happend... maybe an easy solutions is to force signature campaign managers to pay to his users for a max of 5-10 post per week, maybe with this measure, those post will have a better quality.

Anyway dont be wrong guys, there is lot of users who dont wear a signature campaign with a very low quality posts and "nobody" care about it...

Yes, I had seen many old users who is just trolling around the forum but it seems nobody cares which also should be considered as spam and there should be no partiality over reporting the spams either they wear signature or not.

Managers also should enforce the users to post high quality content to keep the forum spam free by warning them like improve post quality near their name if they still doing the same then they should be removed them from campaign.

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signature campaigns are "forcing" to his users to post arround 15-25 post per week, this is like "incentiving" someone to spam this forum, obviously they want them to post with a high quality, but this in most of the cases, will not happend... maybe an easy solutions is to force signature campaign managers to pay to his users for a max of 5-10 post per week, maybe with this measure, those post will have a better quality.

Anyway dont be wrong guys, there is lot of users who dont wear a signature campaign with a very low quality posts and "nobody" care about it... sometimes it is not necessary to write a novel to be able to express yourself in a coherent way ....

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Quote from: Captain Corporate on December 22, 2019, 03:56:16 AM

I understand that some people with signature campaigns do not provide anything to a discussion and they just write silly unintelligent idiotic things that doesn't improve the discussion at all.

However its also mean to assume people who have signature campaigns all are idiots. There are people who write here for writing sake and there is an option of making money for something you will do anyway and those people just take advantage of that. Hell there are some who are signature campaign participatents and still don't fill the max quote for it and make less money than they could maximum make.

So all in all just because someone has a signature campaign doesn't mean they are idiots, doesn't mean they are not neither but just because you see someone with a signature doesn't mean anything, they are literally the same people with the ones who do not have signature campaign as well.

Stop the hate against people who have signature campaigns.

You have a point there as well, there are many people here that just post to reach their target number of post because of signature campaigns, though, we cannot holistically classify them all as posting nonsense reply or nonsense topic at all. It still depends on what kind of person they are, passionate or just want the money.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on December 22, 2019, 10:05:42 AM

I don't hate any members who are in sig campaigns. I hate spam, period. And yes, it drives me nuts that pretty much all of these shitposters are in bounties or campaigns, because they're getting paid to dilute whatever good posts there are on this forum.
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Quote from: Lucius on December 22, 2019, 09:47:09 AM

There is a very effective solution for signature spammers, report them to their campaign managers or to mods with help of "Report to moderator" button. The first choice is certainly better, because each decent campaign manager will remove such a user, and maybe even add them to black list.

The Pharmacists have given the right reasons where many signature is haters or anti-spam, junk and low-quality posts. Most of it comes from the bounty altcoin. But to prevent forums from looking bad and dirty, Lucius has provided the right solution. Keeping the forum good is the right thing to do.

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If you joined the forum to discuss with the others, to ask for advice from the others, to help the others, why signatures affect how you post?

Signatures from shitposters are annoying, I agree but there is an option to disable signature. Let's do it if you don't want to see signature (and avatars, too).

How to do this?
Profile ---> Look and Layout Prefereces ---> Don't show users' signatures; Don't show users' avatars.
You can choose one of two options or both.

What to do if you still have interests to see signatures, to discover new interesting, and likely good companies, that can change the world, let's allow signature displays but if you see any shitposters, click on Ignore them.

The topic is a good one to read: The end of an era for me: Leaving Signature Campaign

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Quote from: jokers10 on December 23, 2019, 04:47:11 AM

Since I don't always wear a signature (I may not have had one for months), I'd say it looks like a kind of experiment on the topic. And I see no difference in discussions with other forum users. Not a single time it depended on the signature as I remember. So may be the reason is different, as most people say here? If there are the ones who build their attitude just on signatures, may be it is their problem? And if it is a common problem for someone, I guess signature is not a real reason.

Well, it comes to a point that people post because its free money, as long as R&Rs are met. For instance, a 9-5 person might not be able to freely post so a 25/ week quota might be a challenge. Hence the whole repetition to avoid wasting too much time going through discussions.

If we take away the signature campaigns, would there be a reason to post those things?

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I can understand why some are hating members with signature, and in their mind we are spammers because there are a lot of spammers who are in signature campaign until now, but, there's a positive improvement because we have a campaign managers that are fighting spams and they will not hire spammers in their campaign, so everyone will try to improve their post quality just to be qualified in a campaign.

Actually, if all the managers are doing well in the selection process, the spammers will be reduce and sad to say especially in the bounty section, there's no screening of accounts before they can participate in signature campaign, they just fill the spreadsheet and they are in, and they will start spamming, if they'll hire a reputable manager, maybe we will see a positive changes.

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Since I don't always wear a signature (I may not have had one for months), I'd say it looks like a kind of experiment on the topic. And I see no difference in discussions with other forum users. Not a single time it depended on the signature as I remember. So may be the reason is different, as most people say here? If there are the ones who build their attitude just on signatures, may be it is their problem? And if it is a common problem for someone, I guess signature is not a real reason.

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There is no reason to heat a user if he is a quality poster either that user doing any signature campaign or not. There is small difference between signature spammer and good signature participants. Signature spammers just posting for get pay, but a good signature participants getting paid for their post. For example, even chipmixer a high pay rate campaign but every week some users even do not make half post of maximum limit. Of course some users make so many post even they are in any campaign or not. So you can't call them signature spammer as well.

Usually people hate signature spammer who just make meaningless post for just be eligible to get payment. And obviously our hate will not make any difference for them so hating them will not change forum as well. Lots of topics have been created about signature campaign, but nothing changed. If users not change their behaviour then no one can help them.

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Quote from: gentlemand on December 22, 2019, 06:24:19 AM

I see nothing wrong with hating campaigns if they're uncontrolled. Without a firm hand they unquestionably do make the forum worse. Many posters are such mindless hookers that if a campaign paid them to post 100 pictures of items inserted in their sphincter a day several thousand would sign up in an instant.

The ones I don't get are those who automatically ignore every single person with a signature. That must make this forum an extremely sparse read.

^ This.

Was thinking about saying something extra... but no. That is it all there is to say.

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Quote from: 1miau on December 22, 2019, 12:24:04 PM

After all we can say the situation is quite comfortable right now compared to 2017 / 2018.

The rise in the altcoin market during that period attracted lots of ICOs and this led to lots of campaigns being run on the forum, and with requirements as low as jr member (which could then be achieved with no merits), it was a spam fest on most of the boards. The prolonged bear market of 2018/2019 filtered out lots of fake projects and with the enhanced newbie restrictions it reduced the level of spam on the forum.

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Quote from: Lucius on December 22, 2019, 09:47:09 AM

Quote from: Captain Corporate on December 22, 2019, 03:56:16 AM

I understand that some people with signature campaigns do not provide anything to a discussion and they just write silly unintelligent idiotic things that doesn't improve the discussion at all.

There is a very effective solution for signature spammers, report them to their campaign managers or to mods with help of "Report to moderator" button. The first choice is certainly better, because each decent campaign manager will remove such a user, and maybe even add them to black list.

It's worth a try and good managers will care of course but the large majority of shitpost spam is still caused by altcoin signatures where the bounty is often managed in-house by the shitcoin devs or lazy bounty managers and normally, they don't care what their participants are posting as long as it brings attention to their shitcoin. (cryptotalk seems to be the only exception here as campaign with low requirements while paying in BTC.)

After all we can say the situation is quite comfortable right now compared to 2017 / 2018.

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Most of HQ posters in bitcointalk wearing a paid signature at the moment so it's not about the signature participants might be only towards the spammers who take advantage of their campaign to make money without giving any effort while making posts. Spamming is against the rule so if you see anyone spamming you can report them it doesn't matter then wearing signature or not.

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Just like what Pharmacist mentioned above, it's not about hating the SC posters, but the majority from tend to give a bad name because their posting requirements tend to be too "restricted" to the rules. I believe if the advertisers tone down on them, we might see less shitposters.

I've joined one myself but thankfully there's no need to avoid posting in X Y Z, starting with 100 characters and so forth. I would rather avoid joining a high-paying sig campaign if it requires me to degrade my post qualities.

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Quote from: Jet Cash on December 22, 2019, 04:38:51 AM

Sig spammers should stop the hate against people who hate sig spammers. If you choose a despised profession, then learn to live with the hate.

I don't hate any members who are in sig campaigns. I hate spam, period. And yes, it drives me nuts that pretty much all of these shitposters are in bounties or campaigns, because they're getting paid to dilute whatever good posts there are on this forum.

Not everyone who's in a campaign is a shitposter of course. Chipmixer's campaign is a great example of that, but it's the exception to the general rule. Oh, by the way, if you want to check out what happens when you run a paid-to-post program with no selection criteria, take a look at how cryptotalk.org is doing. I can barely look at the posts being made there for more than a minute at a time, that's how bad they are. I've seen posts that have to be plagiarized and posts that look like they were written by bots and everything in between. It's a joke of a forum, and that would be the fate of bitcointalk if it wasn't for all that "hate" directed against sig spammers.

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Quote from: Captain Corporate on December 22, 2019, 03:56:16 AM

I understand that some people with signature campaigns do not provide anything to a discussion and they just write silly unintelligent idiotic things that doesn't improve the discussion at all.

There is a very effective solution for signature spammers, report them to their campaign managers or to mods with help of "Report to moderator" button. The first choice is certainly better, because each decent campaign manager will remove such a user, and maybe even add them to black list.

Quote from: Captain Corporate on December 22, 2019, 03:56:16 AM

Stop the hate against people who have signature campaigns.

At this forum, as well as in real life there is a lot of hate, but also love. I wouldn't say it's hate in most cases, it's mostly envy that stems from the fact that not everyone can be in top paid campaigns. Most of those who are invested effort and time have the privilege of participating in signature campaigns, and if anyone hates us for it, so be it, hate is very bad for health...

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there are always a few who ruin it for everyone.

in case of signature campaigns there have been lots of spammers and a bunch of signature campaigns that didn't care (such as Yobit, or majority of ICO campaigns). the result was a very large amount of spam everywhere you looked.
which is why i can understand why some people would hate everyone who is in a signature campaign specially when some users aren't regular visitors and don't follow the drama these campaigns cause.

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I am sure there isn't anyone in the forum hate a user because of participating in a signature campaign. Users hate those who spam and doesn't matter if the spammer is participating in a campaign or not. As long as a user makes constructive posts, there is no problem.
There are many users in the forum that help the forum to be a better place, make useful posts and cause the forum to be more helpful for others. Signature campaigns can encourage these users to spend more time in the forum. Maybe a user cannot spend more than an hour in day in the forum, gradually get tired and leave the forum. But signature campaigns makes that user to spend more time in the forum. As long as the user,makes constructive posts, this helps the forum and the user as well.
Generally, signature campaigns are very helpful to the forum.

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Quote from: Captain Corporate on December 22, 2019, 03:56:16 AM

I understand that some people with signature campaigns do not provide anything to a discussion and they just write silly unintelligent idiotic things that doesn't improve the discussion at all.

Tbh, I managed a fair amount of campaigns in the past and YES a lot of participants literally wrote whatever they could just to be able to get the required amount of posts to get the money. Even if it added nothing to the discussion. They would even just copy of couple of sentences here and there and press "post".

I usually kicked those out and gave them nothing.

But at the same time there were members who were casually hanging out on the forum and are bringing something useful to the table and just thought about why not earning a bit while I'm doing it anyway.

These were my favorite.

So yeah like everything else, there's good and there's bad and there's no need to feel any prejudice if you're one of the good ones.

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Quote from: Captain Corporate on December 22, 2019, 03:56:16 AM

However its also mean to assume people who have signature campaigns all are idiots.

You should not be prejudiced to other members doing things you don't like, the forum has been running for 10 years more people have knowledge about crypto here including you.
So, if it wasn't for something certain what you are here for ...
If only to spread prejudice and lies.
The sig campaign, is also an advertisement and information needed by the wider community through bitcointalk forums, there are no idiots here except spamer.

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The hate is against the signature spam not the signature campaigns in general. 90% of the projects announced are just useless tokens which are made with the sole purpose to enrich the creator and turn to be a scam at the end, others never get exposed enough to gain attention and just dying slowly.

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It's not people whom have signature campaigns they hate, it's the spams and shiz they do that doesn't really contribute in the forum. It doesn't mean that people hate users with signature campaigns. Sides, some people reaaaalllyy take advantage of the fact that users can make multiple accounts, and so, create bots and spams and literally just write copy pastas often in the threads others make, littering it with mostly useless stuff that the threadstarter doesn't really need to read, but has to cause it might actually provide good info, but it doesnt.

Sides, can't really stop them now can you. They hate what they hate, they like what they like

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I see nothing wrong with hating campaigns if they're uncontrolled. Without a firm hand they unquestionably do make the forum worse. Many posters are such mindless hookers that if a campaign paid them to post 100 pictures of items inserted in their sphincter a day several thousand would sign up in an instant.

The ones I don't get are those who automatically ignore every single person with a signature. That must make this forum an extremely sparse read.

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Quote from: Captain Corporate on December 22, 2019, 03:56:16 AM

Stop the hate against people who have signature campaigns.

Well, from now on, everyone will stop.
Don't get me wrong but this is another useless thread that has no reason to exist. The reason why did you open this thread? Does it really hurts you? Can't you sleep because of thinking about this problem? Is it so sensitive for you? I hugely, hugely doubt.
Everyone knows that they have ignore option on this forum and that works 100% without issues. For bonus, I provide you with DannyHamilton's personal ignore list: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/my-personal-ignore-list-973843

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We can't please everyone, that's the reality and we can't deny that signature campaign in the forum help increase the traffic of the forum, if not, Admin had already disable the signature a long time ago.

Just like in the world we are living now, there are people who follow the law and there are people who violate the law
If we compare it with signature campaign, there are members who are spammers and there are good contributor, live with it as that's the reality.

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If you are here in the forum wearing signature from any campaign and you got paid by them but you are spamming and trolling, you deserve to be hated with someone else, especially on DT members or the manager that you are working with. As long as you contributed and a good poster, your account will be fine.

Forum created to have a good and concrete conversation not just by mean you are allowed to spam, either wearing sig or not, be responsible as a forum member. 100% sure, no one will hate you.

If you got paid by the signature that you are wearing, just to make it sure that your posts/replies are worth it and deserving for a penny you will receive after a week.

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The admin has sticked to the vision to grow the forum up as openly discussion place as possible.

But he might shut down the signature industry at anytime he want if the forum and its systems (one of them is the merit system and report) fail to control spams.

If you are good posters, most of the others (not all, definitely) will love you and your posts. They don't hate you only because of the signature you wear, paid or unpaid. They hate you only or mainly if you continuously or always post shitposts and spoil the forum with zero-value posts.

I wrote something about that months ago, but less regularly bump these topics.
Since 2018, what did you contribute to prevent signature ads removed globally?
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If the administrator allows it then don't feel any prejudice feelings over it. Stop the hate to those who love making money over a signature campaign AFAIK most of us do love it.

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My guess is that most of the people who are so hard against signature campaigns are mostly financially secure people in wealthy countries. They're so cocky that they're forgetting that there are people in poor countries that are in need of extra income, but at the same time actually passionate about bitcoin. I don't see a single problem in earning sats by simply talking to people. Yes, there are spammers, but the problem is mostly on some of the campaign managers. If they were stricter, there would be less spammers.

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Meh, even some participants attack members wearing another signature campaign. I can't remember who that user is, but he/she quickly judged our comments as spam because we were wearing the same signature.

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Was there a hate for people with signature in their profile?

Well, signature campaign is an effective way to promote business, so a business would pay money for exposure and they don't really care about whether a member would spam or not. The job here should be done by the campaign manager, if you trust a certain campaign manager, you should also trust his judgement on selecting a campaign participants.

Also, we cannot deny the fact that people are inspired in participating in the forum when they are in a signature campaign, ..

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Sig spammers should stop the hate against people who hate sig spammers. If you choose a despised profession, then learn to live with the hate.

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I haven't felt any prejudice, and I am in signature campaign. Majority of active high ranking members on the forum are in some signature campaign, so i doubt that there is some wide spread hate going on against signature campaigns in general.

But if you are shitposter/spammer and join campaign that condone that kind of posting behaviour, then you can expect some.

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I understand that some people with signature campaigns do not provide anything to a discussion and they just write silly unintelligent idiotic things that doesn't improve the discussion at all.

However its also mean to assume people who have signature campaigns all are idiots. There are people who write here for writing sake and there is an option of making money for something you will do anyway and those people just take advantage of that. Hell there are some who are signature campaign participatents and still don't fill the max quote for it and make less money than they could maximum make.

So all in all just because someone has a signature campaign doesn't mean they are idiots, doesn't mean they are not neither but just because you see someone with a signature doesn't mean anything, they are literally the same people with the ones who do not have signature campaign as well.

Stop the hate against people who have signature campaigns.

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