Topic: Pro-trend or Counter-trend? (Read 263 times)

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Pro-Trend is often the profitable trade for the majority of traders, but in some cases it can be the opposite as well-experienced traders choose to trade according to Counter-Trend.

But trading according to the opposite trend requires experience to determine the time of entry so that a point close to the bottom or top is chosen to make the decision to buy or sell.

Knowing the time to enter and the time to exit is the main point in counter trading, and if you do not have sufficient experience, you may suffer a severe loss.

Yes, it would really be that depending on the set up because if you do find yourself to see some good positioning or when it comes on seeing some technical indicators then you wont care if you would really be going for counter trend or would be pro trend. It is really just that this would really be entirely be depending on how you would be setting it up.Just like been said that we do have our own analysis and ways on how to handle ourselves with this unpredictable space or market.  Doesnt matter on what would be your approach as long it would really be that beneficial or you are really that convinced
that you are making a good position.

It would really be just that normal that we would really be sticking into those methods and ways if we do see that we do have the advantage. One thing that you should really be putting
up into your mind that you should really be that anticipating for those unexpected things to happen .Always make some back up plans whenever  your initial
plans would be failing out. Continue to do so.. Adjustments would be crucial.

You just go with the flow of the market, that's the best choice for those who are starting to enter trading

the pros who are here cocounter trend because they already know the market's next move

pro trend is the easier? you know the saying about when in bullish everyone become trading guru/masters? because every their decision would be turning out to be true, any one telling you to invest in the shittiest coin in existence at hard bullish it will increase eventually, thats why its easier to trade pro-trend you just have more opportunity since there are large flow of investment going around.
moreover, what counter-trend exactly is? trading a coin that still in premature stage basically a very niche which you might think will eventually become large enough to become a category on its own or you simply trading some outdated NFT like technology? its still unclear what counter-trend trading actually is in my opinion, just go with the flow if you're not strong enough (strength = capital).

I haven't tried them all but I think both of them are very risky, imagine pro-trend traders aim to follow the prevailing market trend, expecting that the current direction will continue and counter-trend traders, seek to identify reversal points in the market and capitalize on price corrections.
If you look up closely both of them you don't know what could be the result.

I'd rather go with the TA and FA or combine them both than use the pro trend and counter-trend.

Trading counter trend is one of the most risky side of trading I tried so hard to avoid no matter how clean it looks because it's a suckers trade I love trading with the trend always... And yeah to trade with trend can be annoying as well because you have to wait till the timeframes are aligned together.

I think it will depend on the situation. But I mostly do pro-trend or follow the trend because I earn more from that method. Sometimes I also do counter-trends, but not often because I'm still not confident in doing that method and also because I don't have the expert skill to do so. That's why I also still look up references to know the trend, but I still map my own chart and follow it. So yeah, it will depend on the situation. I know a friend who does counter trend a lot; so far, it's an effective method for him, but as I saw mapping analysis, I saw that we have a different setup. That's why I realise that our trade will depend on us who do the analysis. That's why I don't do much counter trade; it's too risky for me, and I know I'm not confident and skilled enough.

There are some people trade both ways either pro-trend or counter-trend, depends if there's a good setup in the chart that suits to their criteria. The price always seek liquidity, it could be equal lows or equal highs, but there is also a liquidity sitting above or below swing points. That's why if the market is uptrend, we expect that the weak high would be broken or got sweep. So if you can see a good setup, you can execute a trade with a small profit since the trend is up trend. It will only dangerous if you hold it for a long time.

Neither both.!

You are the ones who would really be making out such decision basing up with your own analysis.We do know that there are moments which we do really need to make some counter trend but most of the time
we would really be having that kind of approach on trying out to go with the flow or something that well be on pro trend yet trying out to oppose on it would really be always dangerous but if you do
really know on how to hedge those kind of differences then it would really be that a beneficial thing for you but i would say that skills required or experience on this one would really be high.
This isnt something a skill that a newbie could easily be able to learn on.

You would really be able to identify for yourself or discover on when and how you would really be gonna doing it. It wont be simple but also it doesnt mean its impossible.
It is really just that it would be always depending on your call since we know that each of us does have that own taking on certain condition or moments or simply
there are really conditions which needs to be met first before you would make out such act.

I think this is just a case-by-case basis because you can never be sure of what the market would do and how other factors like the stock market, people's emotions, and events, affect the overall thing with crypto. YOu know that it's up to you to decide whether you would HODL or not.

If you are talking about a positive trend, then I would be Pro-Trend.
If you are talking about a negative trend, definitely a counter-trend.

I believe in that situation and that would make my decision IMO.

It's absolutely true a profitable trade must be traded and follow the trend a counter trending trade is like moving against a waterfall that is absolutely dangerous thus would lead to streak losses and account getting liquidated, it's better or advisable to enter a pro-trend trade at the beginning of the trend so as to ride on with the trend while adjusting or trailing the trade with a trailing Stop Loss to maximize the profit with high reward, though some experience trader can also counter trade, however I believe it's a scalping system where they enter a trade and also exit the trade quickly which requires some level of expertise.

That is why you have to know the trend and for sure that most of us that are already here checks out what's with the trend.
So, if the trend isn't the one that fits you then that's fine. And those traders that are depending on it, they've known the basics of it.
It's just like an added factor for better trading decisions.

This depends on the coin or token itself. You can't count on the trend if you don't know what's really happening on the project.
It is always best to learn the basics of trading as well as the project you are eyeing to trade at.
The more you know about the coin, the more you understand why it is behaving such way in the trading market.

If that strategy works for you then fine but if it's about the fundamentals that you are following then that's much better. You don't have to counter the trend but if you think that it is adaptable, just do it.
Because you don't have to be against the market which is going to hurt you eventually because a lot of variance changes if it's you that's dependent to the market.

"The trend is your friend."

A simple yet, important especially when it comes to investing. The only time that you can get profit while countering the trend is... is... I can't think of honestly. I guess when you are trading futures? I don't know, but following the trend will make you more profit. Just imagine we are in a bear market, the trend is down, what will you do? Will you sell all of your assets, or will you buy more since it's going down. Same thing if we are in a bull market. Will you buy assets at it's peak? Or will you sell the assets that you're holding.

I don't see any benefits of countering the trend... or at least in the mid to long term.

True for some people but not for most people. Following trend is a good idea to make quick profit but it takes experience to follow it. It is hard to predict when the peak will reach and price will start to fall or when the bottom is reached and the price starts to rise again. Even going with the trend we need to follow strategy to not get affected emotionally. Setting up a Target for winning & losing is a must when following trends. As trends fades away easily, the market movement could be for a short period of time. We need to be quick and experienced in our decision-making. Otherwise, it could play out differently than expected and we could lose it all.

Following trend is high risk high reward situation. So I would say it does increase your winning probability but you need to be at pro to navigate through the market movement. So it is not for everyone.

This depends on what the trend is. If it is a trend that is getting lower, then I would like to buy more, I will definitely end up buying more and the result will be better for me too, I like it because it means that I get to do something that will make sense, it will profit me a lot. I understand that we are not going to end up with anything that would be risky, it will not be all that simple, and we should be considering that as important as it could get.

I am not really in support of it, and I get that we may not see something changing. Hopefully, it will not be all that quick, and opposite is possible. If the trend is going up, in that case I become pro trend instead and start to consider it going higher and higher, and I will continue to buy and hope that it will go up even more. Basically in bot h cases, when it goes down and when it goes up, I buy either way, and that is why sometimes I am pro trend and sometimes I am counter trend.

From my experience i woudl say both work out and the main difference between them is the lenght of the trade. It is much easier and safer doing long holds when following the trend. Counter trend plays are generally shorter BUT they can be much more volatile (and risky). Best is to get familiar with both of them.

Following the trend will certainly be more profitable, you can see that even in business, there are lots of seasonal businesses that emerge because at that time it is the trend that people are interested in, the same goes for trading when the trend is buying because the market is experiencing a decline, it will be profitable when you follow the trend and to sell when the market experiences an increase in price, there may be traders who are successful by going against the trend but there will be more success when following the trend.

It really depends on every trader. There are some traders who follow this and some do the opposite which is the counter trend.
For example, some traders are trading like "buy the dip". Some traders are against it because if we say that price action is a down trend, so there's no guarantee that it will go up so some will assume it will just continue to dip.

Which strategy to pick depends very heavily on the market or even the assets you trade, for example there are stocks which move within a very predictable range, so in that case it makes sense to make some trades against the trend once the support or resistance level is reached, but when it comes to bitcoin you need to make trades that follow the trend, as you do not want to be caught on the wrong side of the market when bitcoin makes one of its monster moves.

When trading, we can't be sure which trend will work best. I won't affirm which is the better option; pro-trend or counter-trend. Many people have benefited from following the pro-trend more than the counter-trend. Both trends occur in a market, but recognising which trend to follow at that time to capitalise on an opportunity when it arises is the greatest thing to do and demonstrates the qualities of a competent trader. If you don't know how to detect a trend, go with the one that is visible and easy to decide on to prevent losing money.

If you have ever heard "missed the train" then that sentence is for traders who are late in entering the market or what we usually know as pro-trend traders, i have never tried to be a pro-trend because i know that entering the market when the market is bullish will be in vain in the future ^{(when the bullish trend ends)}
However, counter-trends are usually always associated with traders who always buy against the current trend ^{(if the market trend is bullish then he will sell, then buy when prices fall)}, i tried several times to become a counter-trend trader, but i saw that the risk was the same as a pro-trend trader, so only entering the market based on technical and fundamental analysis is something that is always taught by professional traders, they know that the crypto market moves very volatile and unpredictable.

This term is true for the altcoin market. Though there are other factors that are also responsible for the massive rally of some altcoin. The problem is that if any token is pumping without any trend going on for that category of altcoin then it is being manipulated by the whale or someone who has insider news. That's why most retail investors have never been able to take entry at the exact bottom before the pump if they haven't already invested in that project by that time.

When there is an ongoing trend, usually all the altcoins in that category start pumping no matter how good or legit that project is. This happens because retail investors start looking for projects that haven't pumped yet in that category. That is the reason all the projects in that certain category start pumping eventually.

It depends of the trend you are talking about actually because there are institutional investors trends and individuals/small investors ones. And they are often opposite because they don't look at the same things. They don't listen the same news and they don't monitor the same indicators especially. So I'm more confident in following the institutional investors one when I'm able to be aware of it and generally to counter trade the small investors one.

This is just so broad that you really can't just pick one or the other. It's like saying "bitcoin or alts?" — the latter being a very broad asset class with thousands of tokens.

As with trends, under what indicators? On what timescale? Trend of what specific asset? A decent amount of factors to take into consideration.

A trend is your friend, it is true but it is only true if you are holding your coins or trade your coins in Spot Trading.

By trading with Spot, your fund will not be liquidated by Long squeeze or Short squeeze. It's not true and different if you use leverages for your Margin trading, your fund can be liquidated and you will lose your money.

Going deeper to this liquidation story. If a trend is bullish, you make a collateral in Margin trading, use like x5 or x10 leverage, when that coin has a correction, your collateral will be liquidated. So even the trend is bullish, it's not your friend if you use leverages.

Same for bearish market, the trend is bearish but if you go with Short position, with x5 or x10 leverage, Short squeeze happens and liquidates your collateral. The trend is not your friend if you use leverage for short.

Whichever trend you follow, there is a profit but timing is essential. When market is bullish, is very easy to follow, buy and hold until you see that you have had enough profit already but when they get enough satisfaction, many of them don't even know when to stop, they get caught on the emotional agitation of the market that a coin is making another new time high which they should have exited in the first place. Short traders use this opportunity to counter trade the trend and when small mistake happens, the free fall began and you know what? The profit of short traders is always bigger than the long traders because it is difficult for the market to go up than for it to go down. It's possible for the market to shed blood bath of -50% than for it to make 50% upward and will remain there.

However, whether pro trend or the opposite, we need the two of them to balance the market especially in the futures. You can't long a market is the short order book traders are empty, they have to be a balance between two traders who think in opposite trend to decide the trend of the market. But if we all think in the same direction, it will make bitcoin to grow more but practically, that's impossible.

Following the trend is a good strategy if the price breaks a certain level and there is enough trading volume for the price to continue rising, but determining the exit point is the problem, as it is better to withdraw your profits as soon as they are formed, but you may have easily missed the opportunity to obtain increases of 5% to 15%. I will choose Pro-trend if the currency has good trading volume, such as Bitcoin, or an altcoin that received excellent news, such as a breakout of the support or resistance barrier.

Hello friend, my conclusion is that traders should trade what they like and what profits them most, this is why we are individuals and train individually, there is no way we will like the same thing or achieve the same results. If it's your style and it's worth it, it's a Go.

However, based on my almost 2 decades trading experience, it's worth pointing out that the best traders are the trend traders. I know this because I investigate traders and I'm also trading the trend, retracement and reversal, so I know what I'm saying. For trend trading, you might miss the retracing and reversal movements but it's worth it as it would minimize bad trade, keep you focused and make you hold the position of the majority. The careless acts you can commit with trend trading would only amount to the total loss of your money with opposite strategies, which is another safety reason why people choose it, it mustn't only be for the profit-making, the safety of the account matters too.

Finally, I don't dissuade people from making their choice but if you must add a reversal strategy you must be ready to be proactive with your account defense. You might want to be using a tight stop loss and should not be patient with a losing trade when you trade the opposite of the market trend.

Following trends is the best choice. This is clearly a reference for traders. As long as I trade when I go against the trend I experience a lot of losses.

Different from spot investments in bitcoin. During the bearish phase I prefer to organize Bitcoin purchases on a DCA basis. This is clearly against the trend, but because my goal is long-term investment this is different. And the profit I get is also quite large with this method.

Actually there's no way on telling precisely that counter trend is really that much more profitable or effective than with pro-trend on which if we are really just talking about that common sense approach
then it would really be always ideal that you should really be not going against the trend or simply trying out to counter. Why? It would be basically be going against it which means losing would be inevitable,not unless if that counter trend which is really that something on the end line on which pullbacks could usually happen on which it would be an advantageous thing for you
but the questions are ff;

1. How you would define the bottom or peak?
2.  How you would be able to determine if its the right time to make some entry?

Every steps that would be made then it would really be accompanying such risks which its not shocking anymore since each trader does really need up to take such risks
and it would really be that up to you which method or analysis that would really be working for you or not.

Some people think that you should always follow the trend when you trade to increase your winning probability.

Is that true?

I believe that your potential reward would be higher if you trade along with the trend because the EOF is making new high or new low, so we should expect that there is a break structure to occur when the pullback ends. This doesn't mean that your win rate would be higher. There are traders who are profitable with the counter trend setup, and I believe that there are traders who wins more with this.

Well, to identify which trend you can win more, we will make a poll to identify whether pro-trend or counter-trend usually has the higher win rate.