problem with testing phrases for wallet

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on November 26, 2020, 07:23:13 AM

Instead, focus on trying to figure out how you wrote them down. How long ago did you write them down? Do you remember the process of what you did? Do you remember at all which words might have come near the start/middle/end? Did you actually write them completely randomly? Is it more likely that you've simply mixed up a few of them?

According to the OP:

Quote from: peymanpma on November 25, 2020, 09:12:28 AM

I have only the phrases of second step (screen shot) ( they are not in correct order ) Sad

It was my friend's mistake!!!!!!!!!

OP, if you only have the alphabetically ordered list of words, you are absolutely out of luck.

I still don't get how this happened.
Doesn't coinomi force you to write them down in order to enter them in the second step?

If your above statement (about only knowing the alphabetical order (i.e no order at all)) is true, there unfortunately is no realistic chance of recovery.

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Quote from: peymanpma on November 25, 2020, 08:50:36 AM

I have written them but I forgot to write their order number , so I have the 24 word but their arrangement is not correct

As others have said, forget about brute forcing them. Even renting out huge amounts of cloud computing for a large cost, you still won't find the right combination in your lifetime.

Instead, focus on trying to figure out how you wrote them down. How long ago did you write them down? Do you remember the process of what you did? Do you remember at all which words might have come near the start/middle/end? Did you actually write them completely randomly? Is it more likely that you've simply mixed up a few of them?

Spending time trying to figure out how you made this mistake and reverse it is incredibly more likely to have a positive outcome than brute forcing 24! combinations.

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Quote from: peymanpma on November 25, 2020, 08:50:36 AM

hi
I have problem with my 24 phrase of coinomi wallet. I have written them but I forgot to write their order number , so I have the 24 word but their arrangement is not correct

so I need to test this phrase with an application to find correct arrangement of 24 phrases
I need application to do this ( it has 620,448,401,733,239,409,999,872 possibility)
please help me

You could try btcrecover and your first guess as the order. Btcrecover will let you have up to a few errors in your order.

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Quote from: peymanpma on November 25, 2020, 08:50:36 AM

I have problem with my 24 phrase of coinomi wallet. I have written them but I forgot to write their order number , so I have the 24 word but their arrangement is not correct

Did you not just write them from top to bottom, left to right, or in rows that give some indication of their order? If so, try all possibilities.
If you wrote them completely random (which is very unlikely), you can forget about it ever restoring them.

Quote from: jackg on November 25, 2020, 08:54:49 AM

A quick calculation puts an Intel i7 @ 4ghz with 8 cores at a time of 25k years...

Only if every CPU tick checks 25 possibilities... It doesn't. Your estimate is several orders of magnitude too optimistic.

Quote from: peymanpma on November 25, 2020, 09:12:28 AM

But its like we want to crack 24 digit password with 24 characters , its easy for computer to test all of this possibilities

When numbers are this big, it's not "easy" and certainly not worth the CPU power to brute-force it.

Quote from: peymanpma on November 25, 2020, 09:12:28 AM

and In the second step, Takes a test of this 24 phrases and asks s to order them correctly.
then I have only the phrases of second step (screen shot) ( they are not in correct order ) Sad

How is that possible? Coinomi asks you to confirm the words by clicking them, and you can't do that if you don't know their order.

Quote from: Coding Enthusiast on November 25, 2020, 09:38:14 AM

I believe Coinomi sorts the words alphabetically in the second window

I just checked, this is correct.

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Quote from: jackg on November 25, 2020, 10:27:11 AM

73,475,850,794.252 TB
would be the size of that file though (assuming a letter is 5 bits in length and a word is 5 letters and not including spaces).

Technically you shouldn't even build the mnemonic itself while performing brute force and it is not stored anywhere, only a bit string for each round is constructed on the fly and discarded/changed for next step.
For instance I allocate about 300 bytes per core when recovering BIP-39 or Electrum mnemonics in FinderOuter which keeps being reused.

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Quote from: peymanpma on November 25, 2020, 09:12:28 AM

I know the number of possibility is huge
But its like we want to crack 24 digit password with 24 characters , its easy for computer to test all of this possibilities
I need just an application to get the phrases and test them

73,475,850,794.252 TB
would be the size of that file though (assuming a letter is 5 bits in length and a word is 5 letters and not including spaces).

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Quote from: peymanpma on November 25, 2020, 09:12:28 AM

and In the second step, Takes a test of this 24 phrases and asks s to order them correctly.
then I have only the phrases of second step (screen shot) ( they are not in correct order )

I believe Coinomi sorts the words alphabetically in the second window which for all intents and purposes makes it scrambled and impossible to recover due to enormous number of possible combinations to check.

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Quote from: peymanpma on November 25, 2020, 09:12:28 AM

But its like we want to crack 24 digit password with 24 characters , its easy for computer to test all of this possibilities

Yes, but your computer needs to run for 25k years (and remember that an average human life span is around 80 years), that isn't easy. 12 words is okay, 24 is not. I don't know of any script that could recover 24 word seeds because its so infeasible. BTCRecover is your only chance, unless you pay someone to write a script for you.

Even if you factor in the birthday paradox, you need 17.5k years.

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I know the number of possibility is huge
But its like we want to crack 24 digit password with 24 characters , its easy for computer to test all of this possibilities
I need just an application to get the phrases and test them

This is how the problem was created:
coinomi in the first step of creating wallet shows us the 24 phrase (in correct order with numbers)
and In the second step, Takes a test of this 24 phrases and asks s to order them correctly.
then I have only the phrases of second step (screen shot) ( they are not in correct order ) Sad

It was my friend's mistake!!!!!!!!!

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I don't understand why would you not know the sequence when you're writing down... But that aside, yes as jackg said, its a pretty huge keyspace to search for. BTCRecover could work but 24 words is really a lot, can you at least have a rough idea of the sequence?

If you have a vague idea of it (at least 12 words), go try https://github.com/3rdIteration/btcrecover/blob/master/docs/BIP39_descrambling_seedlists.md.

Or else, sorry you're out of luck. Resources needed for 24 words is really astronomical.

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https://bit.ly/387FXHi lightning theory

Do you have any idea what use used to scatter them? Is there a chance to ou wrote the order down backwards or took them in sets of 4?

That number is still on a magnitude of FUCKING HUGE! for current computers to be able to handle so you'll probably need some sort of heuristic/luck if an algorithm exists.

A quick calculation puts an Intel i7 @ 4ghz with 8 cores at a time of 25k years... There's probably a chance if quantum is ever discovered with a large enough interference magnitude (q bit) but for now probably not.

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hi
I have problem with my 24 phrase of coinomi wallet. I have written them but I forgot to write their order number , so I have the 24 word but their arrangement is not correct

so I need to test this phrase with an application to find correct arrangement of 24 phrases
I need application to do this ( it has 620,448,401,733,239,409,999,872 possibility)
please help me

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