Product Specification "Manipulation", is it ok?

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Quote from: DaveF on January 21, 2020, 06:54:11 AM

It's kind of a tough call.
Looking at it from the car world:
The Dodge Demon was advertised as having 840HP and 770 Foot Pounds of torque. *

The * fine print being, you had to use stupid expensive 100+ octane fuel, swap out the air filter for a high flow one, swap out the ECM and change a dash panel.

So did Dodge lie?

I would like to think (I know I would be wrong but let me be happy in my own head) that people in the car world looking at it knew this. Same way I would like to think that people buying a miner know the true speed.
Is it scummy, yes. But it's been going on everywhere for years.
I would not do it and I would like to think the people I deal with would not do it, but it's still in spec.

Same question a bit different. I had a L3+ I put together out of the best boards from several L3+ units. Was over 10% faster then spec. Would selling it as a 550 instead of a 504 be a lie?

As I said in the 1st line it's a tough call.

-Dave

If there is any ambiguity neutral ratings or posts in the sales thread should be the end of it. Anything more is inviting abuse.

DaveF

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It's kind of a tough call.
Looking at it from the car world:
The Dodge Demon was advertised as having 840HP and 770 Foot Pounds of torque. *

The * fine print being, you had to use stupid expensive 100+ octane fuel, swap out the air filter for a high flow one, swap out the ECM and change a dash panel.

So did Dodge lie?

I would like to think (I know I would be wrong but let me be happy in my own head) that people in the car world looking at it knew this. Same way I would like to think that people buying a miner know the true speed.
Is it scummy, yes. But it's been going on everywhere for years.
I would not do it and I would like to think the people I deal with would not do it, but it's still in spec.

Same question a bit different. I had a L3+ I put together out of the best boards from several L3+ units. Was over 10% faster then spec. Would selling it as a 550 instead of a 504 be a lie?

As I said in the 1st line it's a tough call.

-Dave

JeromeTash

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That's being unfair and unhonest behavior by the seller. I would personally be so pissed off if i bought something that is different in specifications from what the seller claimed it had, so from my personally point of view, what the seller is doing is totally not OK. I wonder what he would lose by just saying the truth about the miner. Let the buy know what they are about to spend on rather than get disappointed later.

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So rocky2020 started a topic selling his mining gears under the subject "TO sell : 7x S9i 16T/H and 10x M3X".

I am pretty sure that Bitmain never made an S9i 16TH miner, what the user is describing here is the result of overclocking.

The actual label on the miner can only be on this :

Antminer S9i 13.5th
Antminer S9i 14.0th
Antminer S9i 14.5th

What he is trying to sell is

Antminer S9i 16.0th

My argument:

Quote from: mikeywith on January 19, 2020, 05:55:54 PM

The title is incorrect, Bitmain never made an S9i that hashes over 14.5th ,what you are selling here is either an S9i 14th or at best case scenario, you are selling a 14.5th miner, if you are getting 16th out of them, it means you are overclocking them, that is a choice other buyers might not be willing to make, so be honest when selling something. Maybe something like this

Used Antminer S9i 14th "can be over-clocked to 16th".

Another member's reply:

Quote from: MoparMiningLLC on January 19, 2020, 09:31:12 PM

just an FYI my Antminer S9i runs 16.5 TH/s with stock firmware. on the miner config page there is a drop down that allows me to go from 12.5 TH to 16.5 TH in speed. uses about 1440 watts though at 16.5 TH

My reply to that member:

Quote from: mikeywith on January 20, 2020, 07:45:19 AM

So because you are using a firmware from bitmain, setting your gear to 16.5th is NOT overclocking? it literally says hashrate +2th. Also if we were to define "stock firmware" as the firmware that comes with the miner by default then your statement is not accurate, the firmware came out around mid 2019 and by then Bitmain never sold any Antminer S9i, you have manually upgraded the firmware, but that does not matter, there is no Antminer S9i that is labeled as 16th. If you agree with how OP describes his miner then you should be fine with people advertising their S9 19th because you can get that hasharte of an Antminer S9i 14.5th using a custom firmware.

My question:

Is that a proper and honest way of describing products? shouldn't he state that 16th is only obtained through overclocking?

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