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Quote from: Welsh on April 15, 2022, 03:42:01 PM

Why would it matter? As long as they aren't being annoying, dodgy or breaking forum guidelines, I couldn't care less on the identity someone posts under. Don't forget that higher ranked users might be worried about looking bad if they ask a basic question, that's just the reality. While, everyone has basic questions at times, but just some people like to appear more knowledgable than they might be, which isn't a massive problem if it isn't used maliciously.

If you're knowledgable before joining the forum, great. If you're using multiple alt accounts for different opinions that you don't want to associate with all your identities, great. You're free to do either.

I will go by this, while in other hand we can't be precise about the type of newbie is on the forum, some are truly inexperience while some are experienced newbies in cryptocurrency but new to the forum here, the fact that a user adhere strictly to the forum's rules and regulations then i think it is less of concern to us how, and why or what type of newbie do we come an encounter with on the forum.

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In my opinion, a professional newbie is someone who is coming here but without any knowledge, and he is willing enough to learn and learn more about everything here, about the crypto, forum, and many more information provided here. Newbies that always have serious and continuous efforts to keep learning from reading, mistakes, and experiences so that they can improve their knowledge and ability in this forum and the crypto industry. If he can do it continuously, he will be a good and professional member, and he is a professional newbie.

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There are a lot of newbies who came across here with knowledge about crypto and not just a little knowledge but high knowledge. And those newbies creating useful threads which we can learn through them, we so thank full to have newbies like that because they are here to show what they got. they are an example of good contributor of the forum. Also you are right that mate maybe some newbies account is owned by A high-rank member here in forum or let says smurf or alt accounts.

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Allow me to correct you, from my knowledge I would say there is no such thing as professional newbies here, and even the characteristics you outlined isn’t one that supports your claim, let me be more elaborate, we all here were once newbies to the forum and as anyone new to a place you are meant to read rules and gradual adjusts to the forum, but what I can support is there are professionals in crypto-currency here that are newbies or were newbies that’s very possible. But even at that you still would always have that newbies curiosity on how the forum works.

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Quote from: masulum on July 14, 2022, 03:43:34 PM

exactly, Newbie in the forum doesn't mean everything on him is newbie, there are lots of people who are actually professionals in crypto and blockchain, who may have just created an account on this forum few days/weeks/months ago, so they are become a newbies because of his rank. Actually, rank on this forums doesn't show who the person really is, unless they are shows it to us. For example, by creating a thread about his skills or sharing knowledge through posts/comments.

and the conclusion is don't just look at the cover or the ratings, but see and judge the quality of the posts. I found some newbie even with 1 thread he can explain cryptocurrency and other technical stuff with good sense.

Even legendary ranks who only have high ranks without proper knowledge will lose to those newbie ranks who continue to develop well and have broader knowledge.

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Quote from: AakZaki on July 14, 2022, 02:04:02 PM

I don't know the fact that who is behind the professional people in the forum. It is likely to have been said by some friends above. I think a lot of Bitcoin enthusiasts are outside this forum. The possibility that they are smarter than the person on the forum could have happened.

exactly, Newbie in the forum doesn't mean everything on him is newbie, there are lots of people who are actually professionals in crypto and blockchain, who may have just created an account on this forum few days/weeks/months ago, so they are become a newbies because of his rank. Actually, rank on this forums doesn't show who the person really is, unless they are shows it to us. For example, by creating a thread about his skills or sharing knowledge through posts/comments.

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Quote from: Gosgosking on May 09, 2022, 05:27:14 PM

A professional newbie can also be a fast learner who never knew about bitcoin before. Such newbie can read some lesson about bitcoin and grab them very fast and when ever they talk about bitcoin it looks as if they are old in it.

I don't know the fact that who is behind the professional people in the forum. It is likely to have been said by some friends above. I think a lot of Bitcoin enthusiasts are outside this forum. The possibility that they are smarter than the person on the forum could have happened.
I wouldn't feel bothered by such a person. instead, their presence makes the forum grow more advanced. Although I'm sure there are some quirks if one expert has multiple accounts. Detecting that possibility is also quite difficult, if there is no evidence such as the obligation to send a self-identity.

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What is "professional"?
Profesional means

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a person competent or skilled in a particular activity.

source: google
It means that a professional is a competent or skilled person. How can a newbie is professional if he is exactly a newbie?
Although they are starting their journey and learning at first and being knowledgeable so much, will it mean that he is a professional newbie? if he has got the knowledge and also skillful, I ma sure that he is no longer newbies. But the person who has been increasing their skill, is not a newbie anymore. Newbie means they are exactly new with a certain things and they commonly know nothing.

But it will be different if a newbie in this forum.
Their rank may be newbie, but the people behind the acccount may not new again in the crypto world.
Sometimes, they are the people who have understaood about cyrptocurrency industry from long time ago, but have just registered in this forum so their rank account will be from newbie at first.
And also your otehr probabilities make sense enough.
And I will nto care about this

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Quote from: Gosgosking on May 09, 2022, 05:27:14 PM

A professional newbie can also be a fast learner who never knew about bitcoin before. Such newbie can read some lesson about bitcoin and grab them very fast and when ever they talk about bitcoin it looks as if they are old in it.

It's you people that recommend a professional newbies, actually no professional newbies from my perspective right now. Because from the initial everyone started by learning what is cryptocurrency during the time of creation of this community in year 2009, those people then that don't know what's cryptocurrency and more especially bitcoin and get the understanding here, so we should call them previous or past professional newbies? To be sincere everyone will learn according to its intellectual capability or capacity, either learning very slow or faster doesn't not make someone professional or unprofessional from my perception.. learning is determine by a personal engagement and passion to make your views or ambition to manifest.

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A professional newbie can also be a fast learner who never knew about bitcoin before. Such newbie can read some lesson about bitcoin and grab them very fast and when ever they talk about bitcoin it looks as if they are old in it.

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You can be rest assured that many a person have Bitcoin knowlege at least to an extent, even cryptocurrency itself.
But the rife there is "did they had knowlege about the existence of a forum known as bitcointalk at the time they had already had knowlege about Bitcoin and other altcoins?

So when such persons eventually get to know about bitcointalk and got involved, the way they may contribute to the forum through comments and personal thread from them one may find it difficult to believe that this is actually a newbie in the actual sense of a newbie in the forum.

Going back to your origin no.2, you may actually not be far from the truth, certain accounts users are obviously not newbie but alt_account owners and this creates great difficulty in actually deciphering a genuine newbie from an alt-account user.

Though if am asked as to what category i fall in myself as unbelievably funny as it might seem, I fall in non of these category's.

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Quote from: Bitcoinbride on April 15, 2022, 01:46:42 PM

Who is a Professional Newbie?
A newbie who seems to possess much knowledge already regardless of their low ranks.

Common Attributes
(1) Professional writing style.
(2) Offering unsolicited sort of professional advice and help to others on the forum about forum activities instead of being a newbie who is supposed to learn to walk before running.

How did they come to be;
Three logical origins I can think of
(1) May already be very knowledgeable before joining forum.

(2) Probability of it being an account owned by a user who already is a forum member.

(3) Just an "I too know" habit they may have before joining forum.

What is the likely origin of professional newbies here in forum;
Is it Origin 1? (May already be knowledgeable prior to joining forum)

Is it Origin 2? (Probability of being an account owned by a user who is already a member here)

Is it Origin 3? ( The- I too know habit)

I swear to God. You do not lie at all. When I saw some newbie's threads, I asked myself, is this a newbie or impersonator? Because the way I suffered in my newbie rank and I saw someone writing as a professional newbie. I always confused. As far in this forum is concerned. I learned things every day. Like today I learned one important thing called Spamming, I really don't know it before, so I was told and directed how to use the forum effectively.
There are some newbies that understand the forum rules more than some members. Though later I became to understand that most newbies understand bitcoin very well before registering to Bitcointalk

As for me please I want to use this medium to also apologise for the Moderators, I have done a lot of mistakes unknowingly, please forgive me. I came to this forum as a novice, it is now that I am learning most of the thangs. At least I have also learnt how to trade bitcoin and the market survey and others.

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Quote from: _BlackStar on April 19, 2022, 04:51:31 PM

The reality is that anyone who understands bitcoin today is a person who never really understood it before they studied it. His interest and desire to get to know bitcoin in more detail helped by his basic knowledge has made them understand this cryptocurrency faster than others.

Very true. No one had known bitcoin 20yrs ago, no one knows bitcoin before it was invented. Therefore, no one understood it before they studied it according to you. All the experts we see today are the products of determination, consistency and commitment. They made out time to understand bitcoin. And one good thing about bitcoin is that, it's connected, when you understand one part, you are likely to understand another aspect of it and other cryptocurrencies. All you need is time and dedication.

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It might be any of the three options but I personally feel it's mostly the first. There are some people who know about cryptocurrency, who are even making a lot of money in it and are basically living on cryptocurrency (that's what they do for a living), but they might not don't know about bitcointalk yet, some haven't even heard of it before. Whenever people like this find themselves on this forum, it will surely be evident that they were professional before they joined the forum and I believe we have people like that in the forum as well.

People in this category were those who quickly became successful in the forum because of their previous knowledge of cryptocurrency; they spent few months in the forum and they were already scaling up the ranking ladder quickly because they had something to offer, they made quality contribution to the forum and it all paid off for them.

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Quote from: hatshepsut93 on April 16, 2022, 06:26:28 PM

What the heck is "I too know" habit ? Huh

And your case 2 is just a subcase of case 1 - if a person has another forum account and they have spent a lot of time on the forum, then obviously they got a lot of knowledge prior to starting their second account.

So, yeah, there's only one reason why someone is a "professional newbie" - they already have a knowledge about Bitcoin before creating that account.

I even see it as an advantage from others who are real newbies that don't have the prior knowledge and skills. That way, they lessen the risk in losing since they are aware already that creating dump decisions will only reflect on the loss of your investment. And it does not make a big deal with having low rank like newbie position but are more capable than those who in high ranks. This just means that there is no competition here, but its always an edge if you know everything in this market.

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I honestly do not think there's anything as a professional newbie, this is generally speaking now, bitcoin and cryptocurrency wise, a professional is a professional and a newbie is a newbie, there is no such thing as a professional newbie.

That someone just joined the forum does not necessarily mean they are just joining crypto, they might have been into crypto for a long time before coming across this forum, and even though they are give the newbie rank when they join here, it is a matter of short time before their forum rank will catch up with their level of knowledge in crypto (depending on their posting habit though.)

We all are here to discuss crypto, and a crypto newbie is a crypto newbie while a crypto professional is a crypto professional, for me personally, there is no such thing as professional newbie.

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Quote from: Welsh on April 15, 2022, 03:42:01 PM

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This.
I even recall Donators in this forum, which surely they are the ones that have been in here for so long, selling an account which is highly discouraged in here. I was surprised that some do those kind of stuffs still.
Good thing merit system was implemented as well though. It helps those "newbie" in rank show what rank they do indeed deserve.

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Quote from: khaled0111 on April 15, 2022, 06:29:08 PM

Usually people who join a forum dedicated to discuss a certain subject, are either knowledgeable about that sibject or at least interested in it. Bitcointalk is an exception because most new accounts (newbies) are either part of a big farm or created solely for the purpose of joining bounty campaigns. They don't care about learning or sharing their knowledge with others (if they have any).
What's certain is that the account rank doesn't always reflect the real level of knowledge of the account's owner.

True. You cannot justify that all newbie positions have lower level of knowledge. Their rank may be low but knowing that they have started to discuss the topic, or have joined in the discussion, proves already that they have been into researching or have prior knowledge about that. Same with the higher position in the forum. There are still sr. member or hero position that create low quality posts, that sometimes even newbies create quality post than them.

Yes, rank cant be used to justify the knowledge of a newbie but 98% of all professional newbies are alt of a member that understands the community system and i cant assure you that no matter knowledgeable a newbie was in the cryptocurrency aspect, it will still take the person something to understand most rules and regulation of the forum.
Therefore, a newbie that has concrete crypto knowledge and understands 95% of the forum rules is definitely an alt of an established member of the forum

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Quote from: khaled0111 on April 15, 2022, 06:29:08 PM

Usually people who join a forum dedicated to discuss a certain subject, are either knowledgeable about that sibject or at least interested in it. Bitcointalk is an exception because most new accounts (newbies) are either part of a big farm or created solely for the purpose of joining bounty campaigns. They don't care about learning or sharing their knowledge with others (if they have any).
What's certain is that the account rank doesn't always reflect the real level of knowledge of the account's owner.

True. You cannot justify that all newbie positions have lower level of knowledge. Their rank may be low but knowing that they have started to discuss the topic, or have joined in the discussion, proves already that they have been into researching or have prior knowledge about that. Same with the higher position in the forum. There are still sr. member or hero position that create low quality posts, that sometimes even newbies create quality post than them.

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Quote from: Bitcoinbride on April 15, 2022, 01:46:42 PM

Who is a Professional Newbie?
A newbie who seems to possess much knowledge already regardless of their low ranks.

Common Attributes
(1) Professional writing style.
(2) Offering unsolicited sort of professional advice and help to others on the forum about forum activities instead of being a newbie who is supposed to learn to walk before running.

How did they come to be;
Three logical origins I can think of
(1) May already be very knowledgeable before joining forum.

(2) Probability of it being an account owned by a user who already is a forum member.

(3) Just an "I too know" habit they may have before joining forum.

What is the likely origin of professional newbies here in forum;
Is it Origin 1? (May already be knowledgeable prior to joining forum)

Is it Origin 2? (Probability of being an account owned by a user who is already a member here)

Is it Origin 3? ( The- I too know habit)

Some people actually have bitcoin knowledge before joining the forum, not all newbies accounts that can post and engage in discussions are alt accounts owned by a member of the forum. He may have learned to walk before joining so thats its easy for them to run.

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I'm not too sure about what it means to be a professional newbie, but maybe it's a phrase for those who really master bitcoin and its ins and outs well even if the account is a newbie.

The reality is that anyone who understands bitcoin today is a person who never really understood it before they studied it. His interest and desire to get to know bitcoin in more detail helped by his basic knowledge has made them understand this cryptocurrency faster than others. If this is the case, why can't we do it? And yes we just need to invest time to learn from time to time and we will get the benefits. The main advantage is knowing about bitcoin and many other things about it because not all gains are monetary.

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Quote from: Welsh on April 15, 2022, 03:42:01 PM

Why would it matter? As long as they aren't being annoying, dodgy or breaking forum guidelines, I couldn't care less on the identity someone posts under. Don't forget that higher ranked users might be worried about looking bad if they ask a basic question, that's just the reality. While, everyone has basic questions at times, but just some people like to appear more knowledgable than they might be, which isn't a massive problem if it isn't used maliciously.

If you're knowledgable before joining the forum, great. If you're using multiple alt accounts for different opinions that you don't want to associate with all your identities, great. You're free to do either.

Regardless of whatever position you are currently in, i don't think it will matter the most because as far as i'm concern, as long as you are on the right track and is always been very helpful to contribute in a good flow of discussion, i guess that will matter the most. Be it professional newbie or not, that is not really a big deal as long as you are eager to learn to stay knowledgeable and become a quality poster, because what we need here are those who can contribute quality posts to make the forum more informative.

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I prefer professional newbies to ignorant veterans, honestly. The first set enlightens and are relatable while the latter sits pompously on their ignorance in claims of what they know not. In 2017 when I joined this forum I was virtually a stark illiterate on crypto matters and was constantly getting lost in discourse. Whenever I see genuine newbies this day on the forum who are highly knowledgeable, I admire them. We all can't be deficit in the same thing.

Quote from: KingsDen on April 15, 2022, 04:56:23 PM

You did not include one category of newbie, the Lurkers.

There are also veteran lurkers too.

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Those who are professional newbies some have them might have been in a different forum that is why they have the knowledge how to contribute in a forum, some may be natural intelligent even if it is the first time for them to join a forum, they can use like some days to get all what they want concerning the forum .

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It's base on your perception or ideology you have seen it that way, because a newbie who gather knowledge of cryptocurrency supposed to utilize the knowledge via making educational post that will motivate or trigger another user to do so. In ly agenda not like professional newbies, from my perspective i seen that tagged name as discouragement name that will make newbies to backslide..if i may ask, what's the criteria to rank up? So it's very obvious and plain that the only measure someone can rank up is through quality posting, and what is quality post..a quality post is a post that carries answer or solution to question of a Post.

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Professional newbie work with old member on the forum for guide line about the presentation of topic and also, knowing how to race topic. and share idea, base on the information given gathering with a legit source.

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Quote from: Bitcoinbride on April 15, 2022, 01:46:42 PM

Well I've seen quite newbie that are professional themselves on the track they are in. I've seen those newbies before that has lots of knowledge in mining, trading, chart reading, gambling, programming, technicalities, etc.
Most of them ranked up very quick since they are successful in doing business, sharing and interacting with other users here.

One great example is @n0nce which I've seen being a newbie, climbed up, and received huge respect from the whole forum.

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There are also real crypto professionals, who already know a lot about crypto and come to this forum to promote their products and services.
Although the Croatian part of the forum is relatively small and there are not many active users, we already have 2 crypto companies that promote their crypto services in our country.
Of course technically anyone who registers on this forum for the first time is a newbie but it is only a formal category and these members have a lot more experience in the crypto than most of us on this forum.

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To be a pro on the forum, you must have to be professional in at least two things

Technical knowledge on Bitcoin (most important because it's the Bitcointalk forum), altcoins (top ones, how to detect scam altcoins, rugpulls, etc.), security etc.
Writing skills: it's important because if you have very bad, broken-English or bad writing skills, you will write too long posts or non-sense, hardly understandable ones. It causes failure to convey your idea to others

A pro newbie is possible technically with in-dept knowledge on Bitcoin and others but if you see a newbie who have too deep knowledge on the forum, it's not a newbie in my opinion.

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Quote from: Pmalek on April 17, 2022, 03:10:33 AM

I wish we had many more newbies who are just new and unfamiliar with Bitcointalk, but already know their way around Bitcoin. Unfortunately, that's not the case. The majority of them are brand-new to everything and they came here after being told they can make money. No problem with that if they are ready to read and learn. What I don't like to see is posts like I am new, how do I become rich here Huh

We do get the occasional newbie who claims to be here for the first time, but then mentions some drama or even that happened a few years ago. A lurker? Possibly. it's more likely that they have been here before.

Exactly, it's why we keep seeing same old topics over and over again on this forum, but i'm curious about how they came to know about this forum when bitcointalk isn't putting up any banner online or ads, maybe google search?.

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I wish we had many more newbies who are just new and unfamiliar with Bitcointalk, but already know their way around Bitcoin. Unfortunately, that's not the case. The majority of them are brand-new to everything and they came here after being told they can make money. No problem with that if they are ready to read and learn. What I don't like to see is posts like I am new, how do I become rich here Huh

We do get the occasional newbie who claims to be here for the first time, but then mentions some drama or even that happened a few years ago. A lurker? Possibly. it's more likely that they have been here before.

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Those who come to the forum by acquiring knowledge in a natural way can go to a better position very soon. But it is not that those who do not come to the forum after acquiring knowledge beforehand will not be able to do anything in the forum.As far as I know most people have come to the forum and gained knowledge.The main thing is that those who come to the forum regularly and read the posts of seniors will be able to gain more knowledge.We see a lot of people coming to the forum for a while and doing something good.

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Not all newbies are newbies on this forum, just because someone just created his or her account doesn't mean they have no knowledge about cryptocurrency at all, this shouldn't be an issue unless they break forum rules or try to scam people on here.

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There are some genuine members who acquired lot of knowledge about Bitcoin and its technical aspects then land here which makes them to be professional newbie but good thing is good thing no matter from where it comes, its not really necessary to pay attention to the rank os users and if its comes from an actual newbie then its really good to see their interest towards acquiring knowledge about cryptocurrencies.

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What the heck is "I too know" habit ? Huh

And your case 2 is just a subcase of case 1 - if a person has another forum account and they have spent a lot of time on the forum, then obviously they got a lot of knowledge prior to starting their second account.

So, yeah, there's only one reason why someone is a "professional newbie" - they already have a knowledge about Bitcoin before creating that account.

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It's a typical reflection of what information people are open to and how early the embraced bitcoin and crypto currency even before joining the forum. Bitcointalk is not the only avenue to get knowledgeable about bitcoin although it can be said to be the largest. But most times this so called professional newbies tries to abuse the whole system by plagiarism just to please the forum users

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Origin 1 and 2 accounts more for your so called professional newbies on the forum. Origin 3 is one of the reasons why most of the supposedly professional newbies gets banned. Haven't found out that, the forum is one that is distinguishes for your intellect and how much you could contribute to the bulk of knowledge on the forum, the user feels pressured to produce better and better contents that eventually gets them banned. Trying to impress is always not the best of strategies to walk up the ladder.

There are other forums out there for sure but on my part, most of the things I've learned or came to know was on this forum. I wasn't entirely blank when I arrived here but surely improved on what I knew or thought I knew then.
If I can entertain a little curiosity that just might have risen out of your choice of username,

Which are you in your categorisation @OP?

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If a newbie is already knowledgeable then that's good since that newbie can help fellow newbies in this forum except those alt account who are hiding behind a newbie account to ask questions for some reason like afraid to ask basic question even if they have higher rank. That would make them put to shame where such higher rank just asking newbie or basic question. As on how I see about other people who doesn't have high rank see a forum user which is above his/her rank see that person as knowledgeable than he/she is.

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Quote from: Rikafip on April 16, 2022, 05:50:51 AM

Yes of course. We've seen many times brand new accounts creating topics in meta/reputation and accusing reputable members for all sort of stuff. Those are of course alts of already existing members that are afraid they will get tagged by DT members. Even theymos doesn't have anything against creating an alt for sharing unpopular opinion.

Oh yeah I forgot. The drama history on reputation. But what Ive dont like there is the fact that if they have voicing out with a new account, it just show how they take it as preciously their main account not to argue with other high ranks using their own. Thats how valuable an account for not having a negative trust, and protecting their profile and continue the incentivize posting through signature.

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Quote from: cryptoaddictchie on April 16, 2022, 05:30:38 AM

Are there people like this here? Doing some multi account with such different opinions or somehow behaviour?

Yes of course. We've seen many times brand new accounts creating topics in meta/reputation and accusing reputable members for all sort of stuff. Those are of course alts of already existing members that are afraid they will get tagged by DT members. Even theymos doesn't have anything against creating an alt for sharing unpopular opinion.

Quote from: theymos on August 28, 2012, 04:17:31 PM

I don't have a problem with alt accounts as long as they're not used for evading bans. If you're hesitant to say something controversial because you don't want it to be associated with your name, please create an alt account and say it.

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Quote from: Welsh on April 15, 2022, 03:42:01 PM

Don't forget that higher ranked users might be worried about looking bad if they ask a basic question, that's just the reality. While, everyone has basic questions at times, but just some people like to appear more knowledgable than they might be, which isn't a massive problem if it isn't used maliciously.

So creating accounts just to please their thirst for knowledge and a shame to use their main account to ask some things they dont know here? Its actually fine as long as they do it purely for that and not for signature farms. With this response of yours, it seem you recognize few who do that isnt it?

Quote from: Welsh on April 15, 2022, 03:42:01 PM

If you're knowledgable before joining the forum, great. If you're using multiple alt accounts for different opinions that you don't want to associate with all your identities, great. You're free to do either.

Are there people like this here? Doing some multi account with such different opinions or somehow behaviour?

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Quote from: Welsh on April 15, 2022, 03:42:01 PM

If you're knowledgable before joining the forum, great. If you're using multiple alt accounts for different opinions that you don't want to associate with all your identities, great. You're free to do either.

This is an eye opener. I have seen myself in this condition for so many times. I will really want to say something but I will fear(repect) the person and will not say it so that I will not become a bad person to some people. I wish I can just hide under another person identity and speak my mind some times.

I can really see that there are alot of freedom in this forum. If one do not cheat and do not plagiarise, you can last very long in this forum.

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Usually people who join a forum dedicated to discuss a certain subject, are either knowledgeable about that sibject or at least interested in it. Bitcointalk is an exception because most new accounts (newbies) are either part of a big farm or created solely for the purpose of joining bounty campaigns. They don't care about learning or sharing their knowledge with others (if they have any).
What's certain is that the account rank doesn't always reflect the real level of knowledge of the account's owner.

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Quote from: Welsh on April 15, 2022, 03:42:01 PM

Why would it matter? As long as they aren't being annoying, dodgy or breaking forum guidelines, I couldn't care less on the identity someone posts under. Don't forget that higher ranked users might be worried about looking bad if they ask a basic question, that's just the reality. While, everyone has basic questions at times, but just some people like to appear more knowledgable than they might be, which isn't a massive problem if it isn't used maliciously.

If you're knowledgable before joining the forum, great. If you're using multiple alt accounts for different opinions that you don't want to associate with all your identities, great. You're free to do either.

Yes I will agree with you mate that we can do what we want to do here in the forum as long as we won't break the rules and regulations here in our community. Cause if we break the rules for sure high ranks will not good to us they will say bad at you so we need to be careful. If newbies are more knowledgeable than other member here all I can say is that's good that there's another knowledgeable user who joined here.

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You did not include one category of newbie, the Lurkers.

Some Newbies stay in the background for a long time, reading and observing what's happening in the forum and whenever they manifest, they do so with a lot of knowledge about the forum.

Any forum I join, I like being mute for so long, in order to know;
The purpose of the forum;
The personalities in the forum
The do's and don't
Then, whenever I decide to show up, I make positive impact.
That is the case of some Newbies, however it is rare these days.

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Quote from: Bitcoinbride on April 15, 2022, 01:46:42 PM

What is the likely origin of professional newbies here in forum;
Is it Origin 1? (May already be knowledgeable prior to joining forum)

Is it Origin 2? (Probability of being an account owned by a user who is already a member here)

Is it Origin 3? ( The- I too know habit)

It is quite possible that someone has been around long enough to change accounts if they wanted to. But, why would it matter? They are not breaking any forum rules.
Nevertheless, as some have already stated, I also believe that most "professional newbies" have some prior experience and basic etiquette of communicating online. There are people who literally know nothing about cryptocurrency and yet post quality content on bitcointalk. For example, some members may be experts in some other fields, not necessarily closely related to crypto and blockchain. So I don't believe they are all alt accounts.

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Quote from: Bitcoinbride on April 15, 2022, 01:46:42 PM

(1) Professional writing style.

Just because someone knows how to write and has a knowledge of forum posting etiquette doesn't necessarily mean that is an alt account. Forums have been around for many years before bitcointalk so for some this is not the first forum.

Quote from: Bitcoinbride on April 15, 2022, 01:46:42 PM

(2) Offering unsolicited sort of professional advice and help to others on the forum about forum activities instead of being a newbie who is supposed to learn to walk before running.

That is a classic sign that it may be the case of alt account, newbie that immediately starts creating topics telling others what they should do on forum hoping that they will scoop some easy merit. Luckily, other members became quite good at seeing through those attempts.

Quote from: Bitcoinbride on April 15, 2022, 01:46:42 PM

What is the likely origin of professional newbies here in forum;
Is it Origin 2? (Probability of being an account owned by a user who is already a member here)

Probably this. Every once in a while a legit newbie shows up but more often than not its the alt account.

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Why would it matter? As long as they aren't being annoying, dodgy or breaking forum guidelines, I couldn't care less on the identity someone posts under. Don't forget that higher ranked users might be worried about looking bad if they ask a basic question, that's just the reality. While, everyone has basic questions at times, but just some people like to appear more knowledgable than they might be, which isn't a massive problem if it isn't used maliciously.

If you're knowledgable before joining the forum, great. If you're using multiple alt accounts for different opinions that you don't want to associate with all your identities, great. You're free to do either.

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Many people knew about bitcoin first before knowing this forum, this is normal, I knew about BTC and ETH in 2016 and I never heard about the Bitcointalk forum until the bear market of 2018, so I do have one or two knowledge about crypto before coming on here.

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I joined here after being into bitcoin for a few months and seeing it on search engines quite a lot - I wasn't great at posting to start with but I knew quite a bit about the forum and bitcoin from threads I read and discussions that went on so I think that might be another distinction between how well people seem at writing on the forum.

2 alt users are quite probable as well as alts of members on other forums (ie someone posts a lot on bitcoin stackexchange/reddit and moves across - if those are still active).

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Quote from: Bitcoinbride on April 15, 2022, 01:46:42 PM

What is the likely origin of professional newbies here in forum;
Is it Origin 1? (May already be knowledgeable prior to joining forum)

Is it Origin 2? (Probability of being an account owned by a user who is already a member here)

I believe that most "professional newbies" here are either knowledgeable in one or other fields wherein they are able to contribute. In few cases they might be an alt account of existing members. For example, in my own case, when I joined this forum, I had very little knowledge about technical aspects of Bitcoin. But I was well versed with taxation laws and civil laws which prompted me to write on the legal aspects of Bitcoin/Altcoins in a professional and critical way.

In case of Origin 2 where there are alt accounts, these accounts will try only to rank up first. However, once they reach a certain rank, I believe they would stop writing good articles. I'm assuming this considering that the only incentive to create an alt account is to participate in signature campaigns.

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Quote from: Bitcoinbride on April 15, 2022, 01:46:42 PM

Is it Origin 1? (May already be knowledgeable prior to joining forum)

There is an uncountable number of people who have great knowledge about bitcoin and blockchain in general. Once they join bitcointalk forum, most of us will be impressed by the knowledge shown by a newbie. However, he won't be able to write well designed posts if not being a forum user before especially that bitcointalk requires the minimum knowledge about BBcode styles/codes to develop nice posts.

Quote from: Bitcoinbride on April 15, 2022, 01:46:42 PM

Is it Origin 2? (Probability of being an account owned by a user who is already a member here)

In most of cases, this is the truth. As said above ; a good poster has to know what to write and how to write it. About how to write it, users should have previous experiences with posting using BBcode and sharing idea within forums and different communities.

Quote from: Bitcoinbride on April 15, 2022, 01:46:42 PM

Is it Origin 3? ( The- I too know habit)

So far to be true.

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Who is a Professional Newbie?
A newbie who seems to possess much knowledge already regardless of their low ranks.

Common Attributes
(1) Professional writing style.
(2) Offering unsolicited sort of professional advice and help to others on the forum about forum activities instead of being a newbie who is supposed to learn to walk before running.

How did they come to be;
Three logical origins I can think of
(1) May already be very knowledgeable before joining forum.

(2) Probability of it being an account owned by a user who already is a forum member.

(3) Just an "I too know" habit they may have before joining forum.

What is the likely origin of professional newbies here in forum;
Is it Origin 1? (May already be knowledgeable prior to joining forum)

Is it Origin 2? (Probability of being an account owned by a user who is already a member here)

Is it Origin 3? ( The- I too know habit)

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