Topic: Progressive principles all lies (Read 1825 times)

Sciences' position is often miles from peoples notions of morality especially when they are driven by selective misinformation, emotion and religious dogma as you appear to be.


You can imagine any emotive scenario you wish that makes you feel better about your position on a womens right to choose, it doesn't improve your position when the scenario is not based in reality but rather it detracts from it. In reality abortion up to the first trimester is lawful in many developed countries around the world. In a few other countries under some circumstances it is lawful up to the second trimester. These laws were not made up by abortion doctors in the USA, they came about because of the careful consideration of accepted, peer reviewed scientific studies from around the world over the last 40 years.

Whereas the anti-abortion stance originates from a religious believe that there is a bearded god living above the clouds placing preordained babies in the wombs of women, and therefore this god seeks to send women to hell for slaughtering their god delivered babies.

I'll take the peer reviewed scientific position any day over any variation of that fundamentalist horseshit.


It is not unlawful to have a bigoted position if you apply the don't ask don't tell rule. For example most old school CEOs are closet bigots - it doesn't affect their ability to successfully run a company, they just keep that shit to themselves.

Its when you apply your views on homosexuality to employee preference ( if you are an employer ) or some other aspect of society that prejudices the rights of someone who is gay, and you get caught out doing it, that's when you run into this thing called law which is based in your country, on a universal principle that all peoples are equal ( as in rights ), and that includes gays.

I would agree with you, Elwar for president.

The notion that science has anything to do with the morality of your position is absurd. Do you think abortion doctors do some careful measurements before they decide to lob the baby's head off, off course not. Imagine the scenario where the baby gets to live because the mother arrived at the clinic an hour too late, it is absurd, it makes no sense.

No you cannot, at least if you want to run a public company. If I don't declare homosexuality as an indelible trait at birth I am a bigot. It is Mind control.

Of the top reasons for murder, people are not usually in the state of mind to even consider the death penalty. I doubt someone who is willing to murder would see much difference between living the rest of their lives in jail or dying. They do not value life much in the first place, why would you assume they value their own life?

Then again, if we had the ten commandments in schools maybe people would read that one about "thou shalt not kill". But most people who are fighting to get those commandments into schools are fine with finding excuses to ignore that commandment.


This should be left to the states to decide. As murder is a state crime (not defined in the Constitution), if you believe it is murder then you should believe it should be left to the states.


It should not matter. Government should not be involved in our private lives at such a level.


Banning guns is always a good idea for the people with the guns. Easier to control those without it.


Some, not all, of the 1% got there thanks to government using those guns that they don't want you to have. Most of the most wealthy companies are banks, Bitcoin is the answer to that.

Your problem appears to be left/right fixation.


Hows serious crime in states and other countries that do not have the death penalty? Better or worse or just not relevant to whether they have a death penalty or not?


False dilemma. Its a womens right to choose. Science says life comes into existence when a fetus gets to the point in its development that it can survive by itself outside the womb with medical assistance. Prior to that it is an embryo, not a child. The whole outweighing the right of a child point of view comes from the anti-abortion view.


You can view gay people any way you please.


False statement. Most people in the first world want two things in society, firstly a relook at how easy it is to obtain a gun, secondly they generally don't want some idiot walking into a cafe openly strapped with one because some law says they can.

Banning guns will not reduce gun violence.


False statement. The 1% are seen as a result of a system of privilege that is corrupted at its core, that shuffles wealth into the hands of a privileged few. Most believe its the system that needs to be changed and work to change it.

I have just a few basic issues that I consider to be deal killers for progressives. They are all logic fails that expose progressives as a group of people whose tenets are built on lies preached as truth by intellectual priests and control mongers.

1. Death penalty is not a deterrent. We put armed prison guards in towers for a reason. The death penalty is an obvious deterrent. Its implementation and other cultural factors like "honor killings", the war on drugs, poverty are impossible to factor out of statistics, but don't try and convince anyone the death penalty is not a deterrent. A world filled with murder says otherwise. The argument enrages me. Get this though, I don't believe in the death penalty 99% of the time. I don't think we have high enough standards of evidence. But don't make me spew stupid arguments, convince me otherwise.

2. The rights of the mother to "choose" outweighs the right of life for the child. I grew up supporting abortion. I wanted a girl i thought I got pregnant to get an abortion, luckily she wasn't preggo. Abortion is the most selfish disgusting thing you can ever do as a human and live in regret every day that I tried to convince someone to have an abortion. If a woman aborts her own baby with a coat hanger, well that is a sad thing but she still killed an innocent. Convince me otherwise.

3. I must view gay people no other way than being born that way and gays have no choice in the matter regarding their sexuality. So what is the problem?? Well, there is actually no science that says you are actually "born that way". You smart progressives already know this and are perpetuating a lie for your own purposes, you stupid ones are well just stupid.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/23/homosexuality--choice-born-science_n_2003361.html

As a matter of fact endless studies about homosexuality only suggest that there is a DNA component in your sexual discovery. NBA gay player Jason Collins has a straight TWIN brother.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/05/16/gay-nba-player-s-twin-brother-gets-i-m-straight-one-t-shirt-jimmy-kim

One of the two IS NOT closeted, there are endless cases like this. Every intelligent human i have ever spoken with knows that the "born that way" mantra is nothing more than a religious point of view and a way to win moral support. It is actually more than that it is a blatant lie. And get this, i don't ACTUALLY care about gays having rights.  I am more libertarian than anything, I am sick of the govt screwing with peoples lives.

But when you spew religious dogma as fact their will always be unintended consequences. For example, in my local schools because it is now legal for gays to marry, homosexuality is now taught as being something indelible at birth yes in school it is taught as fact though it is not, and the children are instructed to experiment and find out who they really are. This will have no consequences, dumb dumb dumb.

What is another consequence? Well the born that way argument, is so strong that it is on par with racism. Which means disagreeing labels you as someone worthy to be banned from society, see Firefox CEO. So a giant lie creates massive division in society and eventually silences anyone that doesn't believe that lie... wow. Why aren't you progressives looking at the big picture.

How about anther, children at the age of 5 and 6 are being identified by their therapist and parents as gay or straight or transgendered and are subjected to therapy, and a lifestyle from the age of 5! all over the planet. No negative consequences here.

Be gay be straight, I don't give a rats ass, but don't spew lies and force the world to live a false religion because it progresses your personal views more.

4. Banning guns is somehow a good idea. Mexico bans guns, have you seen their murder rate?, Chicago bans guns. you don't need guns to murder or commit mass murder. This argument that we can reduce murder may only work on a global scale and do you really want to go there??? convince me otherwise.

5. The 1% are evil. For the most part i agree, but it goes BOTH ways, plenty of 1% are progressives and evil. Soros has made a puppet of USA media. Convince me otherwise. Why make conservatives the defenders of the 1%.