Topic: Project Bravio (Read 733 times)

This just happened to a real money casino we know quite well, spent 6 figures on a few months casino build. Team had to be fired half way through and start over at their planned launch date.... sucks for you man. You have to start small with everyone and make sure that easy things get done before going too large.

Good luck with actually launching.

Sent pm.

Where's any past work from you?

If your budget is from 2k-4k then we can talk.

Do you have a design ready for the code or you pretty much have 0

I'm still continuing with this project. Since I believe in transparency, I'm going to point out the following issues development has and the steps we're going to take to overcome these problems.

First and foremost, the laziness and greed of developers is at blame. It doesn't matter how much you pay, the quality of the work isn't likely to be very good. These people see that it's a gambling website and think they can get a share out of exploiting a small business. We have a set budget. We're not paying exorbitant prices just for you (ends up being everyone who asks).

I've worked with a bunch of people on here, and this is the thing they all have in common. They don't care about the project for which they're getting paid to care about, they only care about lining their pockets and doing a terrible job.

The quality is absolutely abhorrent, even for the most basic things. I'm talking about not even being able to do basic HTML. How hard is it to write "" then suffix that with a HTML tag which is used as a wrapper for the head and body tags?

Along with poor quality, we're talking about time delays then quitting in entirely. I was reluctant to give a time delay in the first place. My gut has proven with me right. I should have never given a delay. It's simply unacceptable to see that people that are getting paid to do something can't do it from start to end.

Simply whinging won't solve this problem. I'm looking for a new team of developers to work on the back-end, front-end then connect them up. If you're interested in being apart of this great team, then feel free to contact me. Send me a PM and I can give you avenues in which you can contact me.

I believe wholeheartedly in this project. It can be done. It just has to be done with the right brains.

If anyone has questions, I will gladly answer them!

Aha! It seems I got everything of his deleted. https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/zedsded-2297747

A Discord has been created: https://discord.gg/d4ZrGcg

Please join for quicker contact and news.

I'm hoping in the next month. That's after we get everything ready, security tested, and the website up on the hosting and domain. All of the documentation and financing is prepared. It's just the site that we need to get up and running!

A specific date will be announced later.

Sounds like they've copied. I wouldn't give them any money. I don't know how they can expect to be a decent and profitable gambling website when they can't even write their own biography or plans. It actually kind of pisses me off that they've done this.

Thank you for pointing this out. I'm going to look more into this.

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It just goes to show that it's best to announce things as late as possible. If you're too liberal with your timing, you will get knockoff merchants like this who don't even try and do anything for themselves. They do nothing but destroy trust. I doubt he will succeed. He has no interest. Everyone is calling him out on his crap. I would post on his thread, calling out all the BS, but I don't want to bump it if I can help it.

The wording is exactly the same as this other weird gambling ICO investor scheme thing:
In which they use the exact same language and style of writing. I would be more than willing to guess these are the same people writing. Even if somebody just copied another's template and copy and pasted their ideology verbatim, this is extremely suspect. Caution is advised.

OP please explain yourself about this situation.

what is the dealine again? when is the site going to be live?
I will surely create an account to see the progress your site makes

Yeah, I think people mistake skill for strategy. You can have a strategy to ride out your luck, but in the end, you cannot beat a house edge, you cannot beat luck. Skill is having some control over the outcome. If you have a little bit of control, okay, you can say there is a skill based element but if nothing you do can influence outcome, then there is only luck.

The website is now being built! We're well underway to meeting our deadline.

I see,you make sense and your ideas are solid as well as your vision
well,I hope you get the site up and running and its a success
arguably,you could be doing way better with a conventional dice site casino,there is still a market share you could take if you market properly
in any case,I'll be visiting your site once it is up and I wish you good luck in your endeavours

Thank you. I wholeheartedly agree!

Allow me to just say that it's true CS:GO sites haven't lasted long. I would attribute this to owners overextending themselves financially or thinking that they were going to be making big stacks of cash overnight. I'm a realist and an optimist. While I want the site to see results, I don't expect them to be immediate. It will be a process to get this site on the right track. But it's something I believe we have the power to do.

I do realise that the website directly and indirectly will need a serious amount of investment. I have that under control. At the moment we're just getting the foundations ready with the code and graphics. Resources aren't an issue.

The issues I immediately see are getting a solid and secure back-end so it's efficient and safe. This is something we will want to do properly. I can't think of anything worse than having to put the website into maintenance hours after opening it. I'm sure you could imagine how bad that would be!

this is a great marketing plan there,the only problem-you will have to get the initial audience and initial bankroll to promote
as it has been mentioned above,CS:GO based sites do not live long enough to even return the investment
your approach is more professional in a way,lets see what happens in a long run
community also includes ingame chat,preferably also a forum/blog
as for the later:seo,signature campaigns and webdesign-you do realize that running a signature campaign costs a lot of money
even hiring a good webdesigner and a seo specialists can be costly,I'm more interested not about how but with what resources are you planning to ...achieve greatness?

Thank you!

We have a brief marketing plan here: http://docdro.id/Ae6RwIY

There is a much more intricate and complicated document (just for us!). The one posted above is just a summary of what we intend to do. We don't want to giveaway any of our sources or specific keywords that we're targeting as I'm sure you would understand.

Actually looks like a very decent concept for once. Glad to see a project that's not just grabbing as much money as possible, and is actually giving something back to its players. Hopefully you'll grow and get the support that projects like this deserve. How will you be marketing this by the way?

Here's a summary of our marketing plan: http://docdro.id/Ae6RwIY

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We are still looking for a back-end developer! Please contact me if you're interested in being apart of this project.

I've explained the skill a post or two above this one to the other dude

Him almost losing is indicative of gambling isn't it? Even on Bustabit if you cashout at 1.1x you will still occasionally lose. The odds for 93/7 aren't too far. That's the risk you take with gambling and it adds to the excitement of it all.

That's absolutely fair enough.

To say that the "get rich quick" mentality is mutually exclusive to CS:GO is something I don't agree with, on the other hand. I was notified on another forum of a high roller on Bustabit. https://www.bustabit.com/user/FREE-JBAY5



He's recklessly betting away 17 BTC each round. I think that is indicative of a problem that isn't just exclusive to CSGO, but rather the gambling community at large. While I'm sure there are those who enjoy it for the community aspect, there are others who do it for some quick gains. The remainder of the people are those who are addicted. That's 3 types of people.

The risk is that someone could deposit $9,000 which makes your $900 chump money. Timing is important in this regard. It stops even higher rollers from entering and taking your money. I honestly don't see this happening with our game though. There will be multiple channels with higher minimum amounts required to bet to allow for higher rollers to compete with each other.

OP trying to push that skill thing and it do actually pushes me too on how that CS:GO thingy works and out of this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhGZ4Wo8WbY It do really acts as a roulette and i cant say timing wont really be a big factor yet chances would be still just the same. When you tried up to watch the video that dude do have 93% chance but still he almost lose up the pot to other guy which do have 7% chance.
I dont even see the skill required on here.

I don't think you understand how it works. THERE IS NO SKILL there. And let me explain why. You claim that timing is important because you can "snipe" someone by betting big if you see small pot. But let me ask you. Does timing affect my chances of winning ? In other words will I have better chances of winning if I come in late ? The answer is no. And lets see the example. There is 100$ pot and I put in 900$ before timers runs out. I own 90% of the tickets and have 90% chance to win. The other scenario, I put in 900$ straight away (people may or may not want to bet after that) and someone put in 100$ after me. I still have the same 90% change of winning. So the conclusion is timing does not affect my chances of winning so I don't need any skill to win, just luck.

And you should understand what your game is, which is a lottery. Yes you cannot buy tickets up front but its the ticket system in the back. Each satoshi = 1 ticket maybe or something like that. So, it is just a pure lottery website.

I don't want to be misunderstood, I have nothing against you or your website but what you are doing is false advertisement which is not okay. I told you before and I'm telling you again, those type of website don't work with Bitcoin community. They work with CS:GO skins because its mostly kids trying to "get rich" and then loosing it all. Bitcoin community is a bit more mature than that in my mind. There was a lot of attempts of creating (copying) CS:GO jackpot and all of them failed.

I think there is a misunderstanding as to how this works. Please allow me to clarify: this isn't just a lottery website. There aren't any tickets to buy. There will be a count down. This is when people will be able to enter. You can absolutely skill and analyze whether to enter or not. There is skill, but it is luck as well, just like anywhere else.

no not really , all the games and sites that you mentioned are purely luck and there is no skill involved
but you are tying to promote your site as a skill game but there is no skill at all not even 1% , it's a pure lottery and it's so wrong to say it's skill

I'm sorry you feel this way, but that's not how I intend to do business. Let clarify, I'm hiring people to code a back-end, front-end and do graphics. There is no repackaging of an already existing game. This is all unique to us.

People are interested in this type of betting. SkinJoker is a very popular website. The reason why I would assume that most websites fail isn't because of lack of interest. It has to do with their own finances. I have this all considered and more information regarding marketing and finance will be coming out in the next few days.

Thank you.

Every gambling website is more luck than skill. Bustabit is about being lucky enough to cashout before it crashes on a certain number. PrimeDice is about being lucky enough to get below/above a number. SatoshiMines is about being lucky enough to not hit a mine.

Luck and skill aren't mutually exclusive. Both can exist. It's just about ratio of luck to skill. It's possible to be strategic in games like BustaBit, PrimeDice and SatoshiMines but at the end of the day they all depend on luck. That's gambling.

jesus !!! how is that a skill !! their chances won't change in terms of EV
if they snip with big amount that means they have higher chance to win but also the payout will never worth the risk they take

I don't know how you call this skill , it's pure chance and you are taking a fee so it's not even profitable

a skill game is a game that a good person can benefit from to at least lower the house edge ( like blackjack ) or even being +EV ( like poker and sportsbetting )

still can't believe you are calling this a skill game

Not a game of skill.

What I can say, I've been here for years and you are not the first one to try this with Cryptocurrencies. What most people do is find some csgo betting site for free and pay someone 50$ to change the deposit/withdraw system. You wonder why you don't see sites like this ? Its because they all failed. People are just not interested in "betting" this way with crypto.

If a player decides to snipe, they can increase their chances before anyone else can enter. This can give them a massive chance to win.

still not clear to me , please give me an example how skills in choosing the time of entry can change the result
make the example like if the pot has X then a player decided to enter at Y what difference would that make ?

have tried to read the concept over and over again , still not able to see anything related to skills

You can't really call it a provably fair system, I don't think its fair to market it as a game with provably fair when you the house can still see the result before the game ends and just hop-in and play. I'm not saying you would do that. Nothing wrong with your game not being provably fair it would just require peoples trust, otherwise imagine what will happen when you release the game and have the "provably fair" section which only "verifies" the bets and nothing else.

Maybe you could create an open source smart contract if you use ETH for the game
If its btc maybe you could implement "stretching function", but that would make the games longer

There's skill in being able to time your entry.

I hope you're all doing well!


I agree that this is a problem. It's a problem with the entire provability system itself though. The owner of Bustabit said that the number generates before the game starts to prevent it from sniping big players. Whether or not he's telling the truth is an entirely different proposition. I think it's still good to implement provability fair regardless.


Never heard of that one and Google doesn't show much.


I've thought about this too. That's why I believe there should be multiple servers that people can participate in with minimum amounts. The incentive for big players to snipe smaller players won't be there when they could instead bet with other high rollers on their own network. Basically, if you have fees each round and a whale comes along to bet then the fees won't make it worthwhile.

To answer your question: yes!


The prize comes from the placed bets itself. It would be impossible to have a single person betting. The game at the very minimum requires two people to work.

If I were to pay cash, it would have to be for a finished product, not hours worked. But that would be at sacrifice of your future share of the profits. I think it's better to receive a continuous payment month-after-month than just a single payment. Are you in this for short-term gains or long-term?

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We're still looking for a backend developer!

As far as I understand this game basically turns out to be just about the money? Can you, let's say, but 100% of tickets and win? If the difference in the price of the ticket and the prize is big enough it would still make sense. At the same time it would make the game fair. I mean there are so many people, who bet and gamble when they don't have much money just because of the hope to win. With your rules whose people will see their chances to win and won't get involved eventually.
PvP idea sounds great to me, each one will want to invest more to gain more and that's how the game gets more interesting - the prize cost rises, right?
And about working with you - do you consider paying cash, or is it just the % of a profit, that one will get for work?

thats a good question,usually PVP games are difficult to verify in terms of fairness
since admins have access to the hashes and can simply create an account and bet against you
this is almost impossible to control and many sites tried and failed,name a famous PVP gambling site out of the head?

It's an interesting idea but I'd be worried the platform would be dominated by a few players that group up to game the system.

Would it also be provably fair?

I like the idea and the "white paper"
but since you don't have the project complete just yet,would not it be better to post this in project development instead
not sure how close ou are to going live,but I will surely be waiting for this one,something new and a breath of fresh air

Not 'something new' entirely.

I've seen things like this on multiple occasions - and yes, in the crypto sphere, not somewhere else.

Things like fish bite fish cross my mind.

still don't get it , how people teaming up is considered a skill when they are teaming up in buying lottery tickets that the site take a cut from it
it's still -EV isn't it or am I missing something , if so please explain more cause I still see no skill involved at all

From the description he wrote it sounds a lot like a game which i made back in 2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C--rJtSVj_c ( it doesnt exist anymore so not advertisement)

Im wondering how are you gonna make a provably fair system for this kind of game?

Hash/salt/roll isn't really it, because you(house)  could still see the outcome of the game before everyone else does.

Since this is just on developing period i guess this wont be appropriate to be posted on this gambling section but either on project development or announcement boards (correct me if im wrong).

Towards the project im little bit curious yet you had mentioned that this wont really be just like a typical game against the house. 

I see you have mentioned marketing soon in this thread op. Please let me know that you need the campaign manager to run your signature campaign on BTT. If yes, Please feel free to write me and I see recently some of the gambling site emerge with the help of signature campaign programs. Hope we join soon and make the success.

Please find more information about me via this below link.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.39933688`

All the best for the success of this project Bravio

To market your project on bitcointalk is the best idea to get the fame and more crypto currency users mate. I see the people here on the bitcointalk only goes to gamble and review themselves about the gambling site. If your project is good even you will get the more fame.

To run a campaign you can go with the good campaign manager yahoo62278 as a manager he has vast experience on gambling and bounty campaign management. Hope we will see soon and waiting to support you mate.
Good luck.

We have a front end dev & GFX designer on board! We're still looking for someone to do backend!

There's going to be a huge amount of skill required in this game.

People will be able to snipe games.

They will be able to work together and form teams.

People will try time the games and do whacky things.

That's all fine with me. It adds to fun of the game. As long as it's not hacking it.

reading the first few lines I thought that this platform is a totally new idea , like maybe they will offer P2P skill games , but continuing reading you can see this


so basically there is nothing new , it's just another lottery site and there is no difference at all with other gambling forms since the EV will be negative as well

I'm hoping to see new ideas that mix skills and gambling where both the site and some players can make money

Finally, what kind of game it is? As you say it's not a random dice, as I understand it's like sportsbet when someone places ticket and random human takes it while thinks bettor will lose bet and he/she gets profit.
Sorry if I misunderstood but I think it's dice where there are players and humans as house edge. When I bet, someone choose me and get's my lose or pays me for my profit yeah?

Welcome to Project Bravio! This is the start of a new Bitcoin gambling website. We're not just going to be your typical website only interested in profit. Our stated desire for this project is to provide experience for coders, help you network and connect with others and for you to ultimately profit. These are coincidentally the steps our website will need to take. At the end of the day it will all pay off for everyone involved.

Project Bravio is a code name for a website I have in mind. This isn't going to be your typical game against the house. That's been tried before. What we're striving for in this project is for true competition among players. Player vs Player is the model we will be using for this.

What made us decide on PvP?

As gamblers, we typically play against the house. Why do the same and tired old thing? We know that most gambling websites are dodgy and designed to make you fail. It doesn't have to be this way. Here at Project Bravio, we believe in a fair chance while retaining competitiveness. We want to give people the chance to take home some earnings. People won't join if they know they're going to lose. This will immediately give us an edge over our competitors.

What is the game?

This isn't just a random dice game or bust before a specific number. Tried and saturated. Envision a pool of funds that people contribute to. The people who pay more have a higher chance of winning. In effect, this a bit like a lottery or a raffle. Just without having to specifically guess a number. The more tickets you buy; the higher chance you have. This is sure to incentivise competition among players which in turns means more revenue for us.

Have you heard of this idea before? You're right, it exists already -- just not in the cryptosphere! If you're similar with CS:GO betting, you may have heard of a website called SkinJoker. This is where we get our inspiration from.

How will this make money?

There are three ways Project Bravio can make money:

1. Collect fees

Each game will have a pool of funds specific to that round. Each time a person wins, we will subtract a small percentage from it. This will be how the website mostly collects revenue.

2. House edge

Keeping in line with the idea of a pool, instead of collecting fees each game, we could allow for the possibility of a "bust" and the house collects all of the earnings for this round.

3. Mixture of both

We can mix collecting fees and having an edge fee. This wouldn't be a popular idea with players. This would be a great way to raise revenue however. This has the possibility of turning away people, which would ultimately mean less revenue.

We're leaving this up to a vote for you to decide: https://strawpoll.com/w9cr7a27

What's in it for those involved?

To sum it up into a simple sentence: "Our stated desire for this project is to provide experience for coders, help you network and connect with others and for you to ultimately profit."

- Providing experience

If you're a coder looking for a new addition to your portfolio, this is the place to be. Not only that, you will learn the importance of running a website with many moving parts. These lessons alone are priceless and can teach you a lot which you may have not known already.

- Help you network

Coding isn't just enough. We want interaction between our developers. You're the nucleus to our atom. Having good relations with each other is of utmost importance to make sure that this is pulled off well. Helping you network is something that's important in the world of business. We're going to connect great minds with each others by uniting them around with this single project. This is going to mean more personal opportunities for you at a later date.

- Profit

Each person involved in this project will be given a share of the profit. It's only fair. A payment of one-time isn't merely enough. We believe that if you want to be truly ingrained with this you need to continuously take a share of profits. We want people to see the fruits of their labour. Your wallet will only grow if you're truly dedicated to this website.


At the moment, we only have our about section public. That's not to say that's acceptable. We're working on additional information which will come at a later date.

Marketing Plan - Coming soon [?]

Financing Plan - Coming soon [?]

Community Plan - Coming soon [?]


Here's where you have the opportunity to get involved!

What we're looking for:

- Front end developers

- Back end developers

- GFX

What we don't want:

- Managers, moderators or any form of organizers

- Merely symbolic roles "community relations" "human resources" "diversity officer"

Everyone is expected to pull their weight. I'm not going to just stand around personally. I can program. I'm going to do my part as much as the next guy is. Fannying around will not get us ahead. We will all have to pull our weight in order for this succeed.


If you're interested in getting involved with this, don't hesitate to contact me in PM or post in this thread. The more people who express interest in this, the better! You have nothing to lose by merely inquiring about this. There's a high chance you could be taken on!

Feel free to join our Discord: https://discord.gg/d4ZrGcg

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Good luck!