Topic: [Project Canceled] 'AN VERITAS, AN NIHIL' - Canceled. (Read 1106 times)

Locking the thread now since the project has been canceled.

Thank you to those who showed interest as well as to those who offered constructive criticism. 

Best,

Frank

You're right.. you dont need to but as an artist you'd think you would have enough respect for someone that led the way for you to be able to do what you do today. Anyway I'm done with you. Going to commission one of these cancelled pieces to be done by killyou72 and his dremel.

If you thought that we created this artwork, that was your own assumption.  I clearly stated who's work it was and that we were wanting to offer it onto a coin.  Plenty of 'due diligence' was done.

You were not the reason we canceled the project.  We were already considering canceling it prior to your comment.  It's fairly difficult to move forward with minting a coin with only 20 reservations (for a coin to be minted at a quantity of 75).  But you are probably already aware of this.  Right?

There's no reason to go on and on.

You didn't like the idea of putting this art onto a coin.  I get it.

Some people did like the idea.

At the end of the day, we decided not to move forward with the project.  Now you're going to continue on and act as I've we've misrepresented something in this thread when, in reality, we never did.

I don't need to cite wikipedia pages for the artist lol.  I gave his name - hence why you were able to find it.

Nevermind found those on google aswell. Just trying to wrap my head around your earlier reply and bolded points below. Transparency is all we ask from coinmakers on this forum, you cant really pull the wool over our eyes here. A lot of us have been in the game for a lot longer than you think.
You're right that it was not a "catch".. rather nobody actually thought that you took the EXACT art and just combined it with some text and considered it worth $800-$900 USD.
You should have provided links to Elihu Vedder's wikipedia page, explained this man a little more to us and had proper links to his paintings. You did not do your due diligence on this piece and this is why you were called out and in the end the project to be cancelled. ( No one straight up was an asshole, we were mainly hinting that your price point is undeserved as a first time coin creator )

It's not a 'catch' of anything.  It was clearly stated in the original post:

"This coin features artwork that was originally created by Elihu Vedder in 1896.  The artwork is on display in the halls of the Library of Congress."

If anyone is photoshop skilled I would like to see the two images I pulled from google images turned greyscale to see just how similar it is to the coin mockup.
I wouldn't have continued on this path but reading the bullshit "this is artistry" post made by frankbitcoin it further piqued my interest.

Nice catch @teeGUMES! Here is a combined collage to make the comparison easier:

Thank you.  We will see what the future holds.

Best,

Frank

I really do appreciate that.  Thank you for taking the time to share all of your positive thoughts.

Hi Frank

You gave it a try and it didn't quite work out.  I do think the purchase price was a little bit high and the design wasn't quite in the crypto ballpark but, if it's a passion just keep trying, all the best


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 I'm sorry I think we all jumped on the bandwagon here, 

Frank, while the feedback here may seem harsh, I hope you keep coming back with more releases.  The community here can be very vocal and critical, but that's because there are so many copycats and scammers in the crypto world and we've all been burned.  There is a hyper awareness to anything that might be "off" because these coins may one day be holding millions of dollars in value.  There is such a ridiculous degree of trust involved in crypto that every aspect of these products will be scrutinized (and it doesn't matter whether you made the keys, whether they intended to be funded ,etc). 

It seems you have taken the criticism well and so I hope to see you back here with more interesting releases

So after "several, several months" of work you decide to cancel based on lack of reservations in only the first few days? Not to mention that you already had 18 reservations.

Doesn't seem like that much work went into this project if you'd cancel so quickly.

Based on insufficient reservations within the first few days of release, we have decided to cancel this project.

Any project can and will receive both positive, and negative, reaction(s), unfortunately.  

If you have made a reservation, our apologies; please DO NOT send payment.  Anyone who has paid (which is only one person, Stacy), will be contacted and refunded immediately.

We employee 10 artists.  So yes, we usually always have something new in the works.  That only makes sense for a group of artists who have been working in the art field for many years.

We decided to make this piece because we legitimately thought it was an awesome contribution to the crypto community.  

I don't see a problem with creating a variety of art pieces for a variety of different crypto pieces.  It's all been well received.  I'm not on a 'money grab', that was not our intention.  You have absolutely no idea what goes on behind the scenes of our business.  I don't think it's dignified for you to make assumptions.  

Unreserve #6 please

Frank, I have purchased your works before and have missed out on many - but I finally feel I have to say something. you are on a money grab and it isnt cool at all.

This coin is not original and If I were natty I would feel a little ripped off, not only do you churn out artworks 10 to the dozen but now you are making coins, I can see you becoming the next F*D.

I will not be buying this or any other of your works moving forwards.

To believe that the profitability margin isn't ridiculous would be ridiculous. The coin looks nice, but that price warrants some more of the fine ol' silver.

The difference being..? You added a keypair and it becomes a Bitcoin coin?

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Where are mantoshis?

Hi Frank,

13, 33, 66

thanks

*physical Bitcoin

If you are going to copy some piece about 95%ish. If you could copy a cool looking coin and hologram like the lealana pirate(ish) ship one I think that one was neat

There has never been an artwork by Elihu Vedder on a coin before?



(Medal for Columbian Exposition, for the 400th Anniversary for the Landing of Columbus, October 21, 1892; Bronze with brown patina; 2-1/2 inches or 6.4 cm diameter)
Sounds an awful lot like a coin to me.
[Reference to the original drawing by Vedder at the National Gallery of Art in Washington, DC]

Another one with the same artwork was done the following year:



And those weren't only these two single/named pieces pictured above, they also had public sales of silver coins/medals with this artwork.

100 years later (in 1992), the United States Pavilion released a Commemorative bronze medal with the same design once again:

No artistry?  We did a ton of research on Vedder to determine which pieces we wanted to use and why, exactly, we wanted to use them.  Even coming up with the idea of using Vedder's work is artistic in itself.  And determining the images to display, representing the meaning of corrupt government and the ability to revolt, inducing anarchy, is not artistic?  These are key components of Bitcoin.  And that itself has artistic power, I feel.  We created the slogans, as well.  Even just coming up with the concept of mirroring the two arts, in order to depict both stances, seems pretty artistic in my eyes.

We did discuss perhaps using our very own original art for our very first coin.  In fact, we are working on a new art piece, now, that has been in the works for a few weeks and will continue to be in the works for at least 2-3 more.  It features the past and the present.  On the left of the art features a city in ruins, the federal reserve eagle shattered on the ground, burned currency, etc etc.  On the right, a city in beauty - beautiful grass and trees, graceful birds, and futuristic buildings erected into the shapes of several popular cryptos.  We thought long and hard about offering that as our very first coin, along with the original art piece to go with an auction of the #1 coin.  But we thought it would be really neat to incorporate Vedder's work into a physical coin.  It has never been done before and we personally appreciate what Vedder portrayed.  We really liked his philosophical concepts and his presentation.  And we figured his work would be much appreciated on a coin. 

I'm not sure what you mean about the Top 65 coin piece.  How was that "piggybacking" off of another artist?  I created that art myself.  I took all of the logos, determined the marketcap at the moment of creation, and worked all of those in Illustrator before printing them onto our metal panels.  I didn't take anyone's artwork nor did I take anyone's idea.  If this is in regards to the fact that someone pointed out it looked like a book cover, then I'm sorry, but that was a mere coincidence.  In fact we only created the art because someone reached out to us with the idea and asked us if it's something we could possibly do.

Regarding price, I feel that the price is quite fair and warranted.

How do you know that we are not taking a loss, as well, on this project?

The coin is not simply a cost of minting.  There are a ton of costs that are going into this.  To name a few, the silver, as you mentioned, the charge for the actual coin striking, the charge for the coin's die, the charge for our designer to prepare the artwork, the charge to prepare the hologram artwork, the charge for the setup fees and creation of the physical hologram as well as the charge for the actual holograms themselves, the charge to have keys generated and engraved, the charge for shipping (for domestic, and international), the charge for receiving, preparing, and packaging, which covers all of our facility charges and faculty charges, as well, ... there's a ton that goes into the cost of this as well as many of our projects - many of which can easily be overlooked when you're not fully aware of the entire cost of said project.

Regarding hesitation - I did not anticipate this coin selling out in a day or two.  Many people, as you mentioned, will want to see the physical coin, first, and see its quality, before moving forward with any type of reservation.  And that's perfectly acceptable.  I look forward to presenting something of high-quality that the community can cherish and display proudly.

Its a hard pill to swallow paying 0.1BTC when all you did was trace/flip these two pictures and throw it on a coin with no original artistry of your own. I feel as though you and your team could have come up with something a little better and hopefully you continue with your series and incorporate bitcoin into the face of the coin.




At the very least I appreciate that the original artist's signatures are still on the drawup of the coin. I feel as though once the actual coin is minted that it may be one of the things that doesnt make it onto the actual silver coin. ( i hope it stays on but as we have seen with the bordering on the NattyMind Samsara coin sometimes the little intricate parts can not actually be done )

Demanding this sort of price point from a bitcoin collectibles community just because another proven coin creator also has a 5oz Silver coin series does not mean that yours is worth the same amount as his. If you go back to when team NattyMind brought out their first coin you can see that they almost/possibly did take a hit just to get their name out there.

This is your second piece in a row that is piggybacking off of another artist/product. Your 65crypto metal wall piece and now this.

This is not a hitpiece but you can see that a lot of the collectors on here are skeptical to reserve these, I think once an actual prototype or the first coins are struck with hologram revealed and applied you might see more interest.

St Augustine, Florida.

Note:  Shipping is included for both domestic and international shipments (we're eating the cost of it, basically).

Where are you shipping from ?

thank you.  you got it! 

got it down, thank you 

Nice one ! I'll take #15 please

#21 please

Wow.  This coin is stunning.  Nice work!   The contrast is amazing!

Engraved pub AND priv key sounds awesome.
Not really feeling the design tbh, two artworks on one side seem a bit much. Cool message, though.
Definitly interested to see how the glass prints will look like.

Thank you, Sir! 

Stunning release Frank! Really beautiful design!  I hope you or a lucky customer share a pic of the beveled glass print artwork!

You are correct, the hologram will cover the private key.

Is there an error in op:


The private key is engraved on the coin under the hologram? Not visible I trust.

you got it, thank you! 

25 and 50 please

Buyer funded; you can fund what you would like on the coins, if you'd like to fund them at all; it is not loaded nor designed for any specific denomination.  None of these coins will be offered funded by us.  They are empty.  But you can load as much or as little as you'd like to load.

Do these coins have a certain denomination of BTC that you can fund? Or do you just get an address and fund as much as you want?

Sure, taken off.  

i will pass for now

thanks

no picture as of now, check the thread in the coming weeks when I have that finalized.   

I will put you down for that, tentatively.  hologram will feature a Lynx with a roaring, open mouth (sideways shot), based off our company name.

I do not have images of the hologram as of right now.  I can tell you what it will be, however! 

The hologram will be based off our company name, so it will be a newly drawn logo of a Lynx.  This will be the sideways face of a Lynx, with it's mouth open and roaring.

tentative #15

Picture of hologram please

# 11 please

Is it possible to see the hologram design you are going with? 

8, 9, 10

For reasons I’ll never understand, I’ll take 51 🙃 this should be a handsome piece indeed!

#7 or lowest

#6

This project has been canceled.  Unfortunately, we did not receive the amount of reservations we had hoped to receive within the first few days.  Thus, we will not be moving forward with the project.

Please do not send any payment.  If you have sent payment, you have been refunded.

*This coin is not loaded with any BTC or any other currency.  It has keys engraved so you can load it yourself, if you'd like.  The coin is empty.*

Hello everyone!

We are extremely excited to announce to you a project that has had us in discussion for several, several months now.  My wife, Nikki, spent numerous hours putting all of these ideas together to create what will be our very first coin.  Her goal was to bring to life an imagined piece that covers both philosophical elements as well as a glance at where we are today in the sense of government control, and the rights of the people.

This coin will be limited to x75.

The coin will contain both a public and private key engraved onto the back.  The keys will be generated by OGNASTY (thank you OG!).  The coin is being minted by the same incredible folks who work with Natty, so you can expect this to be similar in appearance to Natty's Samsara coin (thank you Natty!)


Inspiration:
We feel this coin transcends the message we were searching for - a broken and corrupt government that can be scattered to the wind and replaced with people who are self-governed.  Many fear that Anarchy is chaos.  In reality, it simply means no rulers, not no rules.    
 This coin features artwork that was originally created by Elihu Vedder in 1896.  The artwork is on display in the halls of the Library of Congress.

Featuring two pieces of art, 'Anarchy', and, mirrored, 'Corrupt Legislation.'  

The 'Corrupt Legislation' section of the coin reads, in Latin, 'An Veritas, An Nihil,' which translates to, 'The Truth, or Nothing.'

The 'Anarchy' section of the coin reads, in Latin, 'Non Ducor Duco', which translates to, 'I am not led, I lead.'



Image:


Coin Details:
5 ounces of .999 Fine Silver / Antiqued
Size:  2.5" inch Diameter
Serialization / Edge Marking: ".999 Ag 01-75"   (each coin having it's own unique serial number, from 01 to 75)
Back:  Back will contain engraved public key at the top and a pre-affixed hologram covering the engraved private key.
Available Numbers:  1-5 will be auctioned and will also include a #1-5 numbered 8x10 beveled glass print of the art.  6 - 75
Limit:  x3 coins max per person
Price:  .1BTC , shipping included


When replying, please let us know what coin number(s) you would like us to put you down for.  I will update this thread to reflect the requests.

Thank you, everyone! Can't wait to hear what you all think!

*NOTE:  This artwork is available on COIN only.  It will NEVER be made available on print, canvas, or any other medium.  COIN ONLY!  (except for the x5 beveled glass prints that will be included with the 1-5 auctioned coins)

1 ) To be auctioned at a later date
2 ) To be auctioned at a later date
3 ) To be auctioned at a later date
4 ) To be auctioned at a later date
5 ) To be auctioned at a later date


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