Topic: Projects Visibility (Sig Campaigns) in Bitcointalk. (Read 889 times)

Paused/Ended campaigns

• On the 25th day of June, 2023, Royse777 announced the pause of Sherbet signature campaign pending the response from the project owners 

Newly launched/Relaunched campaigns

• On the 19th day of June, 2023, icopress launched the BC.game signature campaign

• On the 29th day of June, Sujonali1819 re-opened the Ozone signature campaign. This time there is a special position/preference for staff members. Kudos!
• On the 20th day of June, one of the old managers of BTT (BoXXoB) announced his reappearance with the l0tt0.com signature campaign. I could not get the full information of the campaign. It seems the spreadsheet is private. I will update when the information is available
• On the 26th day of June, 2023, icopress announced the launching of a mixer campaign named [banned mixer]. The formation of the campaign is well set by the manager. In few days time, participants will be accepted and the full campaign information will be gotten

Note:
It is important to note that the number of signature campaigns in the forum has increased. We used to have between 20 and 21 signature campaigns. But as of today, we have 25 active signature campaigns.

Thanks for reminder!
I was obviously gonna update the thread, but I was waiting for l0tt0 to CFNP then I can do a batch update.
As for Mixtum, as of the time I updated the thread last, the spreadsheet was private but now it's accessible. I'll update

OP are you going to update the thread because there is a new campaign.

l0tt0.com signature campaign, mentioned in the thread only 5 participants in total but BoXXoB as a new manager accepted 3 participants probably next week he will accept new participants again, but the spreadsheet is not displayed.

New campaign from icopress BC.Games now full campaign.

The campaign from MixTum has a little change with pay rate up to 0.0048BTC/week.

Paused/Ended campaigns

• On the 13th of June, 2023 Sujonali1819 announced the pause of Ozone signature campaign, pending the feedback from the project team

Newly launched/Relaunched campaigns

• On the 27th day of May, 2023 Joeperry announced the relaunch of Utopia campaign. This time, participants are expected to engage in Utopia chat lobby by downloading the Utopia Software

• On the 5th day June, 2023 icopress announced the relaunch of Mixtum mixer campaign. This time the spreadsheet is made private, I cannot access the current data of the campaign. So I maintained the status quo

Thank you for the information. I saw that Mixtum is relaunched, but I have to wait till participants are accepted before I'll reflect the update.
I also have to check the update by joeperry about Utopia and understand the campaign and include same here. Cheers

In addition, Mixtum signature campaign managed by Icopress was relaunched yesterday, applications already have been trooping in and you may check in their thread for more updates and also try to reflect this change on the OP first page, i will also like to recommend you for the upto date task in this aspect, we believe to see more opportunities coming in through these  signature campaigns and from others about to be launched.

Paused/Ended campaigns

• On the 2nd day of June, 2023, Little Mouse announced that the Flush.com signature campaign is paused. This happened barely one week after flush downsized the number of participants in their campaign.

Newly launched campaigns

• On the 28th day of May, 2023, Sujonali1819 announced the signature campaign of OzoneChain (Quantum resistant layer 1 blockchain). This is the latest signature campaign in the forum.

BetterCallRaul campaign is ended abruptly by Royse777 the campaign manager. The piece of information the campaign manager has is that BetterCallRaul suffered the same fate with ChipMixer as it can be seen on their website.
But majority of the forum users are instead believing that BetterCallRaul just pulled an exit scam as there seems to be some kinds of mutilation/alterations on the alleged notice by FBI on the website.
Read more...
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62285948

Paused/Ended campaigns

• Mixtum Mixer Campaign is on hold
• Mixero Mixer Campaign is paused
• Utopia Campaign is on ended

Newly launched campaigns

• Cro2 Team announced the official launch of the Coinslotty Campaign on the 4th day of May, 2023. Note that the campaign spends more than included in the table above, and they also have more visibility as depicted above. There are members (mostly high profile) who have private agreement with SirJohnVonSlotty to promote coinslotty whose data are not captured here
• Hhampuz on the 10th day of May, 2023 launched the VbetFTN.com campaign and that is the latest campaign as at today.

That depends on the type of software. I agree with you that the desktop version of Electrum is a pretty neat piece of software. It could benefit from a DEX, for example. Maybe even a non-KYC fiat on/off ramp.
However, the mobile version of Electrum isn't my go-to client for a mobile wallet. It lacks several functionalities of the desktop client and it doesn't feel right. It looks like a weekend experiment developed by some students 20 years ago because they wanted to see how difficult app development is.   

I don't know maybe there's nothing to improved in the wallet niche? For example, Electrum is a good solid SPV already and I doubt that it can be topple by any new or even old wallet in the market.

Same here, was part of Bustadice for a long time (4 years), but they decided to stop their campaign here. And if I'm not mistaken, they are still doing good in the market.

Time will tell how long mixers are going to stay in this community as far as signature campaign is. We all know that after CM, the field is open now, so going to be a tough niche moving forward.

• Removed 1xbit because campaign ended. I had to out rightly remove 1xbit because of its shady nature. From henceforth, any ended campaign will not be removed out rightly, but would be marked as closed or stricken but will still be on the thread for reference purposes
• Made changes in the Remark section by being more consistent. The remark is now showing the type of campaign only.
• Included the date the campaign was launched. I opt for this rather than the number of weeks the campaign is running which will pose tedious weekly update.
• Apart from stake which linked her new campaign to the old thread, every other campaigns took the date the campaign was launched as the date it started in the forum. Some campaigns which changed managers like Unijoin and others took the date of the last and current launch 

From what I've seen, most campaigns don't last. I can only assume that's because for most of them it's not profitable to advertise here, but on the other hand there are campaigns that last many years. Unfortunately, I don't have any data on profitability.

Sorry, I don't kiss and tell

I don't think it's going to work: Stunna knew this 4 years ago, and unfortunately they're still spamming.

MyCryptoMixer were had a serious accusation toward them and they comes up on the wrong timing because Chipmixer were dominating in that time. Go Overt were same, they can't compete against Chipmixer.

Bitamp website is still active, I can access it.

I was a participant of Yolodice, honestly they're still making profit until they closed their website because they have an investment bankroll and the graph were healthy.

There were two quite long campaign about wallet niche, they're OWNR and Wasabi wallet.

Although I don't have any proof, I don't see any campaign about wallet niche become successful most of campaign about exchange niche were either failed or not giving any good impact, except Kucoin

There are no guarantees. Projects fail not only due to low cash in hand, but also due to various other factors such as poor execution or a lack of demand for the product or service. Numerous projects have run signature campaigns for months on end but ultimately failed to make a significant impact on the community. Consequently, these projects gave up and eventually faded into obscurity.

Just a few examples that I remember from my time here:
MyCryptoMixer.com ran a campaign for 40+ weeks but ultimately failed due to unknown reasons.
Bitamp Web Wallet ran a campaign for 28 weeks during 2020/21. The project is practically dead now as far as I can see.
Go-Overt ran a campaign for 16 weeks but failed.
YOLOdice casino campaigned for over two years but ultimately closed its doors.

I want to seriously contribute on this before a make first mega update on the OP. The issue of visibility and the quality of the user wearing the signature. I have these to say;

• There is a clear difference between visibility(the ability to be seen) and engagement.  In this thread, the emphasis is on visibility.  This simply means that randomly chosen non reputable 5 Snr members who make 50 posts each per week, will give the company more visibility than LoyceV,  Royse777 and Trofo if they each make 20 posts per week
• Then there is a matter of engagement. If a newbie joins the forum and wants to sign up to a project through the signature, the newbie will likely click the signature of the randomly chosen non reputation 5 Snr members because they are more rampant. Then, someone who has been in this forum for upto 1 year will in no doubt click the signature LoyceV wears because of the quality and reputation he carries. For instance, I visited Coinsloty through LoyceV's signature.
• Another issue to determine is the case of the location of a  billboard and not the material holding the billboard. A bill board placed in a T-junction will have more visibility than a bill board placed in a lonely road. The question is which boards in the forum are the T-junctions and which ones are the lonely roads?

Hah, I wish that was true. Unfortunately, the real situation coulnd't be further away from that as vast majority of business (and when I say vast I mean ~90%) simply fail due myriad or reasons and just being "interesting" is not even remotely enough to succeed in any business. At least not in the long run.


That's because you only see those that succeeded while you don't even have the chanvce to see all those who failed.

It is in human nature to expect fast results for our efforts otherwise we get frustrated pretty quickly. Most of the owners lack patience and it is expected since their money is involved here. However, if they learn from the other successfull campaigns, they would know how profitable results they'd get by running a long term campaign.

Why not ? If the project is interesting, it'll most likely succeed. I didn't see a (legit) project yet which ran its camp. for a long time and not succeeded. Can you name any? I think most of them just couldn't make it long enough due to low cash in hand.

Perhaps, you came to know about sportsbet itself from someone's signature?

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I also used to consider signatures useless but then one day it dawned to me that some companies that were etched on my mind like duelbits, stake, chipmixer were solely due to me seeing their signatures often here.

Well, it's kinda expected, no?
Every investor is looking for some kind of feedback - and it isn't that cheap to run a sig campaign on BTT.

It takes months and tens of thousands of dollars to build a recognizable brand - and even that does not guarantee success.

Considering that there are many campaigns running for years, it eventually has to be profitable for them to do so. But I imagine a first few months are tough

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I also use Sportsbet a few times per week and have never clicked on somebody's sig link to get there.

Yeah, branding should be the main focus but project wants quick result lol.

Same here, to be honest. I much rather search for the service's ANN thread to get more information about it. And there is usually a link to the official website there. Then I compare to see if it's the same that I found on search engines.
But the signatures have its use, otherwise the projects wouldn't be advertising here. You see them, the pictures and designs get stuck into your mind and you remember the names. Later down the road, if you need a service like the ones you saw advertised on Bitcointalk, those images come back. That's one way the projects benefit from signature campaigns. 

True, people barely click on signatures. And if a campaign evaluate the result with the clicks from the signature tracking link, they will simply stop running campaign here because the conversion rate from the tracking link will be too low to evaluate even. I can't remember if I have ever clicked on any signature to join a casino or check out a mixer.

True, but that's not the kind of information a random person like the OP would have. They would have to contact the casinos and ask for the information from them, and I don't know if they would be willing to share it in public. It also needs to be done regularly as each week/month can have different results.

I don't think that many people click on random signatures anyways. Perhaps only on those from high-quality members that are instantly recognizable.

This a cool thread, the great information is being merged and collected for everyone to see how much budget is being put into all of the existing campaigns in here. And I was mindblown and late to realize that I'm in a campaign that has the most participants, kudos to our manager Hhampuz for doing all of the hard work plus the other campaigns that he's also managing and also to the other managers as well.

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1xbit's manager has already said that the campaign has ended and locked the thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62144278
So I guess that should be removed from the list just as what we're seeing on the overview of signature campaigns when a campaign is done and has ended, it gets removed.

It is exactly as you have said and that is why I don't want to hasten into unnecessary edits or updates. Due to my own time, I'll consider to be updating this thread every 7days. By this I'll remove ended campaigns, include newly launched campaigns. But the first edit will include what people have pointed out, including adding the date the campaign was launched etc.

Well, the campaign didn't actually require to post only on threads with 5 pages or less. After all, who can tell whether or not the thread would grow into a mega thread? What's preferred is that posts are made within those 5 pages. The discussion would continue and create 10, 20, 50, or even 100 pages more. As a matter of fact, you can still join in those kinds of discussions provided you don't focus your posts there. And for a campaign seeking visibility, that's understandable. Posts are quickly buried.

Certain threads in gambling discussion are rather unique. And it's completely understandable also if they grow into mega threads. It's because they're not discussing a specific game or event or tournament or a similar topic. They're basically covering leagues and sports. You mentioned Premier league. There's also the NBA, La Liga, MMA, ESports, and others. They're general topics. They don't have an end.

I also appreciate it this takes time and effort, I recommend OP add the word so it will read


Because this is a reference thread, you have to update it and members will come back or subscribe to get a notification in case there is a new change or check what is added to the list.

Reference thread is hard to configure you must have good knowledge of forum codes., and you always have to come back to update new entries.

I think this was misinterpreted. BestChange preferably counts posts in the first two or even three pages of such questionable "spammy" threads. Some threads have a mature discussion even after 15 pages and I didn't notice that they ^BestChange don't count constructive posts in such a discussion. It is also understandable, they are a universal service and want to be visible everywhere on the forum, not only in priority gambling, for example.

And honestly, I'm not sure how much gambling mega threads contribute to signature promotion, because none or just a few people go back to the previous page to read something. Only the Stake campaign makes sense there, where such threads are crowded with their signatures.


Yes, it can be said that you don't write much in all parts of the forum 6217 in only 365 topics 

Similar view as well, discussions that happen on mega threads such as premier league is usually about the upcoming match, match that just got over or on some news, hence content is always fresh and not repetitive.

A nice overview (especially regarding the budgets and participant numbers), with some obvious shortcomings of course.
1 post of a highly rated member in an important thread is worth a 100 shitposts and that can't be seen here.

I'd be way more interested to see how these budgets are used - but that's impossible to measure.

While we're commenting campaigns, let me quickly touch on this one as well.


Personally, I feel that this is a horrible rule and creates a ton of spam as well. I have over 6000 posts and I don't think more than 5% of them is written in threads that have less than 5 pages.
These threads are usually the 'most worthless' on my list when evaluating who writes where and what.

Forcing someone to open a 'how was your day in crypto today' spamthread because a post in Premier league thread is considered as spam is, well, not the best move you can make as a campaign manager.

It's a great effort, I appreciate it. There is a misinformation that Yo!Mix is not based on the concept of green zone, but rather on a $30 bonus.

Adding some graphic visual representations instead of tables will make the comparison between these advertising campaigns better.

Thanks for the observation...some of the campaigns don't really have needs for remarks, but to not leave them vacant, I pick some peculiar thing in the campaign and fix there. If need be, I may consider them vacant.


I missed to react to this earlier. Even though Rikafip has admitted that there's no better way of calculating this visibility than what we have here. I want to say that the posts in Mega threads are still made in this forum and also it is users who visit those mega threads and make those posts. That means those posts are not written in the vacuum. Besides when you make a google search with the right key words, it will still take you to the exact page of the mega thread if it is where that particular key word is found.
In as much as such post in made in this forum it counts and visible to different people who might be of different interest.

Yes, many shortcomings would be amended on the next update and with type we would arrive at near accuracy.

When one info is wrong, it will surely affect others. In your campaign you give bonuses to best posters which varies in amount and the number of best posters per week. So, to arrive at my data, I used the highest bonus giveable to multiply maximum number of participants that can receive bonus a week.

Sure, dkbit98 also mentioned Coinsloty. Seems these campaigns are private and I wouldn't bother the project owners for statistics, unless whoever develops interest just as dkbit98 did.

Interesting stats for signature campaigns and I hope you will manage to update this on regular basis ^{(easier said than done)}, but I am not sure if Stake members are all maxing out their posts.
I don't think that number of participants is always increasing visibility of specific signature campaigns, it all depends where and how members write their posts.
@rby maybe you can include CoinSlotty campaign in you list, we started with small but mighty group of people, and soon this should be expanded to more members.

Agree with this, scam company and I don't think there is any member of that campaign I don't have on ignore Don't like to see any exposure for them as well.

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@rby superb job, and I don't know how this could be done better. I will just list some of the shortcomings of current format and maybe you or somebody else can find a way to mitigate some of them. Don't think of this as critique even though it will probably sound like it  

1. For instance just looking at LiveCasino campaign I am managing, if I was writing the info in the table only campaign name and participants number would stay as they are now. All other info is not 100% correct even though I feel it is clearly shown in our spreadsheet and rules. If there are mistakes in such small campaign then I have to take all the other info with a bit of reserve as well.

2. Number of posts per week as main metric of campaign visibility is not good enough criteria to measure. For instance Stake campaign is on the top of the list while I would personally argue they are generating so much spam that it even has negative exposure. But that is quite subjective and I don't know how somebody can incorporate it into something meaningful.

3. Place where posts are written should be valued in same way as well. I will again mention Stake since I am basically in gambling sections all the time. Most of their members are writing in spam mega threads that are mostly ignored by good members. Resulting with increasing post counts in threads that are only frequented by other spammers, where nobody is even reading the posts before adding their own. To be fair I am guilty of facilitating some of that as well since I am creator of English Premier league thread for instance and that one has been hit quite badly with spammers. So bad in fact that I am doing all my Premier League discussion in paid pool thread. But that is my dilemma and problem for some other thread.

This coupled with the fact that some campaigns open, pause and then re-open again after some few weeks will really be a lot of work as it would be had to track and the comparisons/data may become inaccurate.

What OP had done so far is a superb job, I couldn't ask for anymore. Kudos.

The longevity of the campaign is a very important thing. Maybe just add the number of weeks of the campaign, but that will require a weekly update and some extra work for you only that parameter.

True, but how exactly to measure quantify quality of members, amount of posts, places where those posts are written etc? Its an impossible task imho and what OP did is the 2nd best thing.



Times where $100 per week could get you a top quality members are long gone as there's more spots in signature campaigns than there are quality members meaning even subpar posters can get into a pretty decent campaign. 

I personally will advise the manager of stake campaign Carollzinho to redesign the stake campaign. Stake is a long term campaign and they spend reasonable amount of money to promote their brand here, yet they are not seen as prestigious campaign. Many people tag their participants spammers.
With over $6,000 weekly budget of stake, they can employ more than 60 participants and make a flat rate of $100 per participants. You can make the required posts per week to be 30 and then 15 of the 30 posts should come from the gambling boards. With this method their campaign will still have obe of the highest visibility in the gambling section while maintaining sanity and some more exceptional members of the forum could join their campaign.

I have seen more than one suggestion to add the date the campaigns started. I will have to add it asap on the next edit.

Oh I must have missed that, thought Royse would update on telegram too if there was an update.

@OP I don't quite understand about the "remark" because you're mixing many thing either to promote the manager, the project's promotion, the special condition of the campaign, the project niche, etc.

But it's a great list and we can check those campaigns because they're publicity the payout and how many members they accept.

I always curious when it's about private deal campaigns e.g. coinslotty, bitcasino, sportsbet.

Or he had a private deal with the project

It is paused indefinitely


please tell me you already know this as I see you wearing their sig 👀

Wondering why is MegaPari not here?

Edit: stupid me. I was participating in campaign myself and didn't realize it was discontinued.

I am not. If these companies spend so much money on advertising, it is because they get more money in return from it. This compilation shows that a strong and long-term investment in advertising can be very profitable.


Well, it depends. We would all like to see more companies investing heavily and for the long term, but not all of them do, and after a few weeks they stop. Of course, let's hope that this compilation will encourage more companies.

I kind of agree with Eternad. I guess visibility shouldn't immediately be equated with the number of posts per week or the number of participants. There are other factors for a post, and therefore the signature, to be more visible than another.

BestChange, for example, implements a rule that only 2-3 posts made on threads beyond 5 pages are to be counted. This is because mega threads are usually full of spam and posts beyond the 5^th page are more easily missed than those made in the first 2 pages. Also, posts that are already buried deep in mega threads are normally less interesting because they are most probably just repetition of earlier posts, and posters probably didn't even read everything before joining the discussion.

Another factor perhaps is the level of influence of the user wearing it. If theymos, for example, wears a signature, it becomes very visible to everybody even if he only makes a single post per week.

Perhaps a more reliable measurement of visibility is the number of visits made to their websites through signatures, or perhaps the number of users referred by signature links.

By means of visibility, Does the view on the thread which the post of signature campaign participants being considered? Because there’s a chance that this high volume of participants is just posting on mega threads which doesn’t viewed most of the time of other user because the replies is already TLDR.

Nice collection of data you got there. This some is data analysis that missing on the original Overview of Bitcointalk Signature-Ad Campaigns.


This is a good addition so that project will have a better overview on how signature campaign works in long term rather than paying high but with short term target.

Hey rby, thanks a lot for sharing this informative thread! It is great to have all this info in one place, and to be able to check out the budgets for different signature campaigns in the forum. I was wondering though, can you also include the duration of each campaign in the table? I feel like that could impact the visibility of the project as well. Just a suggestion.

Duelbits has a huge number of participants and allocation and I'm surprised that they can still keep up with the campaign they have one of the longest campaigns they are going for their third year now, besides Stake, Duelbits rule it over the gambling section, but I don't rule out other gambling platforms to add more participants like what Betcoin did.

Will we have more Duelbits and Stakes-like strategies employing a big number of participants for maximum visibility, it will be much better if we can insert the date when the campaign started for reference.

Maybe limit it to campaigns from the past year or something similar. Another filter that I already mentioned is to ignore all campaigns that had a short lifespan.


Indeed, that would be good. To my knowledge, none of our reputable members have participated in their campaigns, so it's hard to tell if they're even real or merely a hoax.

When you say past campaigns, how do we filter it? Past campaigns this year or since the forum started?
It would be interesting I think. But I do not think that it will have great importance.
Will it be a way to invite the ended campaigns to re-launch their campaign.
Comparing past campaigns to the present, without data I think the present campaigns are gaining more visibility maybe because of the recent inflow of Mixer campaigns with high budgets.

I would also want them not to get some kind of exposure. But I reluctantly included them because the forum still allow them to advertise here.
I already gave a remark of "scam accusation" in the remark section of the table. I would have to turn the color to red. This could help.

Nice job. This thread should be a little more useful to campaign managers looking to provide info to potential employers such as budget. My only suggestion would be place an asterisk or remove 1xbit completely. Needs to be a note at minimum that they are a scam company although i'd rather them just not get any sort of exposure.

What an interesting topic, and I can see that you've put in a lot of effort to gather all this information. Well done!

It'd be cool to compare this data with past campaigns, don't you think? Maybe we could focus only on the ones that lasted longer than a month, for instance. Have you given that any thought?

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Projects Visibility (Sig Campaigns) in Bitcointalk.

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Before Read:

• This thread shows the level of visibility of every active signature campaigns in Bitcointalk forum. The arrangement is such that the No.1 on the table is the most visible while the last is the least visible
• It also shows the maximum  weekly budget of each project owners to sustain the campaign, among other things such as the highest permissible payment to each participant, the percentage visibility in gambling boards, etc.
• I will be updating this thread as time goes
• No shit posting, spamming or off topic posts would be tolerated here. Besides, this is a self-moderated thread, such posts that do not fit the purpose of this thread would be deleted without the poster’s consent.  
• I will allow extensive discussions for the first week of this thread incase of observations . After the first week, every other discussions would only be about updating the thread or the information therein.

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