Topic: Proof that Freebitco.in game is not provably fair. (Read 1199 times)

Quote from: mk4 on April 04, 2020, 09:51:30 PM

What's the problem? Though it's definitely in the 'unlucky' side, losing 13 times in a row is definitely a possibility. It's not like the possibility of you winning the gamble goes up after every loss.

Also, with freebitco.in, the possibility of you winning a x2 multiplier is 47.50% not 50%.

not quite, i have had more rounds today, i lost 10 times on another round , but i won 1 times and recovered my lost satoshi, say wathever u say this is not a provably fair game... also a friend played some months ago and he lost 17 times in a round, for y'all if you dont want to risk your satoshi, dont bet on this website.

Freebitcoi.in is a gambling website that has established its reputation in the internet as one of the most trusted and biggest websites. I doubt that they would pull any rugs under the table that could cost them years of reputation building. I would like to remind you OP that you are in a gambling environment- anything could happen as long as the odds permit it to be.

Again let me reiterate, a person could experience as much as winning 17 times in a row or losing 17 times in a row depending on your luck. Consider this as a bad day on your end and move on. If you are truly bothered by such experience, then feel free to contact their customer support in order to inquire on your problem.

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What know from experience is if I change the chance to 85 percent and bet under 100 I'll will all day but go over like 300 and I'll lose immediately and frequently, so I know it's not fair.

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Quote from: onrise on January 28, 2021, 11:51:31 AM

Quote from: carlisle1 on January 28, 2021, 07:24:38 AM

I have Been Playing using my freebies in this Site and never experience that 13 losing streak , though i have i believe 8 straight yet in the 9th i won.

And also i have been accumulating satoshi per hour for free and even won 5000 from their free spins per 24 hrs .

So i think this is only a isolated case and not that an issue to be making a big deal.

and also a Newbie that filing this scenario inside makes it sounds like a Flag for me.

It could just be one of the rare scenarios if had lost 13 straight in a go and that is nothing more than being unlucky. Also, we users need to understand that do not expect a win from the game always else all the sites if they do not make money would be shut. So somebody has to lose so that site ends up making money, now it could be any one of us only thing being lucky helps you to save form losing it.

Well actually same thought on mine , I had just explained my own experience for others enlightenment because at some point this is misleading ,
Freebitco is offering free satoshis , even How cheap is the hourly free yet it is FREE and you cannot just find site like that everywhere.

But my concern now is , Why seems that the free satoshi is dropping ? i started getting 6 satoshis per hourly spins
then drops to 5 and now it is 4 sats per hour , what comes next 3 then 2 then 1 ? in the end does this mean 0 freebies ?

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We cannot deny that there are people make a complain once they encounter that's kind of streak and they need to understand that it's so normal as there are really times that luck is not on our side especially when we keep betting together with we are chasing to get back what we lose on that day. Maybe other gamblers need to relax and comeback on the other day once they are starting to lose since forced theirselves to play more and continue to lose well for sure they will give that statement that they are cheated by the casino while the real problem there is they are the one who can be blame for their actions when they are betting.

Good if they would able to realize but not all would really be having that kind of mindset.Come to think that this industry had been profiting or making big revenues just because of that kind of behavior out of those gamblers who are trying to prove out that making money with gambling is easy and possible.They wont stop as long they do have money to spent and if they do lose then they would just simply make some reasoning or alibis for them just to continue until they do wreck up their lives and would have a hard time on recovering and ending up neither on committing suicide or becoming a homeless person.
This is a bit far-off topic for this thread so lets just stick out on the topic and avoid on saying these very common discussion about addiction and chasing losses.
Freebitco.in is fair and reputable and anyone who do claims out for it not to be then they are just simply those loses who cant just accept defeat.

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Quote from: dunfida on January 28, 2021, 02:59:31 PM

Quote from: onrise on January 28, 2021, 11:51:31 AM

Quote from: carlisle1 on January 28, 2021, 07:24:38 AM

I have Been Playing using my freebies in this Site and never experience that 13 losing streak , though i have i believe 8 straight yet in the 9th i won.

And also i have been accumulating satoshi per hour for free and even won 5000 from their free spins per 24 hrs .

So i think this is only a isolated case and not that an issue to be making a big deal.

and also a Newbie that filing this scenario inside makes it sounds like a Flag for me.

It could just be one of the rare scenarios if had lost 13 straight in a go and that is nothing more than being unlucky. Also, we users need to understand that do not expect a win from the game always else all the sites if they do not make money would be shut. So somebody has to lose so that site ends up making money, now it could be any one of us only thing being lucky helps you to save form losing it.

Some gamblers are really taking it seriously without even realizing that gambling does involved mostly on the losers side if you werent lucky enough.
13 straight loss isnt something that you can whine off specially on using up that common martingale strategy then these kind of losing streaks arent really surprising.
If they werent fair since from the start then they wont really be lasting up for how many years already into this market.
Just accept the fact that he's just unlucky on playing up games and moved on.

We cannot deny that there are people make a complain once they encounter that's kind of streak and they need to understand that it's so normal as there are really times that luck is not on our side especially when we keep betting together with we are chasing to get back what we lose on that day. Maybe other gamblers need to relax and comeback on the other day once they are starting to lose since forced theirselves to play more and continue to lose well for sure they will give that statement that they are cheated by the casino while the real problem there is they are the one who can be blame for their actions when they are betting.

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Quote from: onrise on January 28, 2021, 11:51:31 AM

Quote from: carlisle1 on January 28, 2021, 07:24:38 AM

I have Been Playing using my freebies in this Site and never experience that 13 losing streak , though i have i believe 8 straight yet in the 9th i won.

And also i have been accumulating satoshi per hour for free and even won 5000 from their free spins per 24 hrs .

So i think this is only a isolated case and not that an issue to be making a big deal.

and also a Newbie that filing this scenario inside makes it sounds like a Flag for me.

It could just be one of the rare scenarios if had lost 13 straight in a go and that is nothing more than being unlucky. Also, we users need to understand that do not expect a win from the game always else all the sites if they do not make money would be shut. So somebody has to lose so that site ends up making money, now it could be any one of us only thing being lucky helps you to save form losing it.

Some gamblers are really taking it seriously without even realizing that gambling does involved mostly on the losers side if you werent lucky enough.
13 straight loss isnt something that you can whine off specially on using up that common martingale strategy then these kind of losing streaks arent really surprising.
If they werent fair since from the start then they wont really be lasting up for how many years already into this market.
Just accept the fact that he's just unlucky on playing up games and moved on.

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Quote from: carlisle1 on January 28, 2021, 07:24:38 AM

I have Been Playing using my freebies in this Site and never experience that 13 losing streak , though i have i believe 8 straight yet in the 9th i won.

And also i have been accumulating satoshi per hour for free and even won 5000 from their free spins per 24 hrs .

So i think this is only a isolated case and not that an issue to be making a big deal.

and also a Newbie that filing this scenario inside makes it sounds like a Flag for me.

It could just be one of the rare scenarios if had lost 13 straight in a go and that is nothing more than being unlucky. Also, we users need to understand that do not expect a win from the game always else all the sites if they do not make money would be shut. So somebody has to lose so that site ends up making money, now it could be any one of us only thing being lucky helps you to save form losing it.

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I have Been Playing using my freebies in this Site and never experience that 13 losing streak , though i have i believe 8 straight yet in the 9th i won.

And also i have been accumulating satoshi per hour for free and even won 5000 from their free spins per 24 hrs .

So i think this is only a isolated case and not that an issue to be making a big deal.

and also a Newbie that filing this scenario inside makes it sounds like a Flag for me.

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Quote from: bonjouros on January 27, 2021, 02:10:26 PM

Provably fair feature is very difficult to prove whether they are telling the truth or not is a matter of trust issue.

Actually, provably fair is there for exactly this purpose: you can check the outcome of your bets yourself and don't have to rely on the casino not cheating you:

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In a provably fair gambling system, a player places bets on games offered by the service operator. The service operator will publish a method for verifying each transaction in the game. This is usuallydone by using open source algorithms for random seed generation, hashing, and for the random number generator.

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Btw. BTCGosu hosts a provably fair verifier on their website, this verifier also supports the verification of bets on freebitco.in: Provably Fair Verifier – Verify Your Bets

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Quote from: bonjouros on January 27, 2021, 02:10:26 PM

Provably fair feature is very difficult to prove whether they are telling the truth or not is a matter of trust issue. If you think that losing 13 times in a row will prove that their feature is unbias then it will be better that you should stay from freebitco.in as other will surely to follow if they can experience the same scenario to what you have experienced.

But with regards to winning percentage, I guess you have misunderstanding as it is not 50/50 chances knowing that there is a house edge for sure like in their x2 which game the house a 2.5% house edge so they have a better chances of winning compare to the players.

'Provably fair' means you shouldn't have to trust if they are telling the truth or not. You can figure it out yourself with the formula that is on their website.

The house edge is actually 5%. Odds of you winning are 47.5% and odds of the house winning are 52.5%. Their odds are 5% better.

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Quote from: shoreno on January 26, 2021, 10:23:13 AM

How it is possible to lose 13 times in less than 1 minute, with a game that have 50 % win / 50% lose chance?. bullshit. fortunatelly i only bet 17k satoshi...

dont spend your satoshis on this shit game.

Provably fair feature is very difficult to prove whether they are telling the truth or not is a matter of trust issue. If you think that losing 13 times in a row will prove that their feature is unbias then it will be better that you should stay from freebitco.in as other will surely to follow if they can experience the same scenario to what you have experienced.

But with regards to winning percentage, I guess you have misunderstanding as it is not 50/50 chances knowing that there is a house edge for sure like in their x2 which game the house a 2.5% house edge so they have a better chances of winning compare to the players.

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13 times in a row its just a short lose streak, i've gamble on it and lose 0.2 btc with 67 streak losses. with 2.1 multiplier and 117% raise bet on losses.

That's terrible but not sure someone will have 67 streak losses with 2.1 multipler, as from my roughly calculation, most of longest streak would be multipler*10, so with 2.1 multipler, longest streak losses would be around 21 streak losses
Which site you have played before? Don't tell me you playing on 999dice

thats why im thinking too . 67 straight losses on 2x multi are unbelievable and he call 13 loss streak short ? short is something 4 to 5 but 13 ? thats already too much imho

he raises his bet at 117 % on loss and still ended up at 67 losses , thats also unbelievable but i think he will loose his coins quick enough with that percent of increase before he reaches to 67 rolls . he plays on freebitco too based on his explanation but is 999dice that bad ? maybe , because i never heard of this site before .

When calculating odds then this one will really be a good one https://forum.stake.com/topic/18281-calculate-possible-losing-bets-in-a-row-with-odds-calculator/

https://www.smartgamblingedge.com/p/odds-calculator.html

Using this up for example on putting 1000 bets with 2.1 odds then it would really result into possible losing bets in a row which is on 325. Sounds too much?

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13 times in a row its just a short lose streak, i've gamble on it and lose 0.2 btc with 67 streak losses. with 2.1 multiplier and 117% raise bet on losses.

That's terrible but not sure someone will have 67 streak losses with 2.1 multipler, as from my roughly calculation, most of longest streak would be multipler*10, so with 2.1 multipler, longest streak losses would be around 21 streak losses
Which site you have played before? Don't tell me you playing on 999dice

thats why im thinking too . 67 straight losses on 2x multi are unbelievable and he call 13 loss streak short ? short is something 4 to 5 but 13 ? thats already too much imho

he raises his bet at 117 % on loss and still ended up at 67 losses , thats also unbelievable but i think he will loose his coins quick enough with that percent of increase before he reaches to 67 rolls . he plays on freebitco too based on his explanation but is 999dice that bad ? maybe , because i never heard of this site before .

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Quote from: Saint-loup on April 11, 2020, 05:25:21 AM

I don't why anyone would play at Freebitco.in. They used to be a faucet if I remember correctly. And then I think they started providing lottery where people could use their faucet winnings to buy lottery tickets. Gradually they introduced dice or probably came with lottery, not sure.
Anyway, why would you even go and play there when there are lot of other well known casinos? Look at their house edge. Its a total turn off. There are casinos that provides house edge lower than 1% (crypto-games.net has like around 0.8% house edge). Play over there, you have better chance of winning.

On freebitcoin there is a sportsbook where you can bet on many events.
Does crypto-games offer that feature?

No, but the original poster was talking about dice game so I suggested him to play at crypto-games if he wanted a provably fair well know casino with very low house edge ( unlike freebitco.in where the house edge is more than 2% I think. Don't remember / can't find the house edge being mentioned on their site anywhere). Playing at freebitco.in is very risky. Why play dice at a casino with a very high house edge? You are trying to say that you should play dice at freebitco.in because they have sportsbook? lol.

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Quote from: mk4 on April 04, 2020, 09:51:30 PM

What's the problem? Though it's definitely in the 'unlucky' side, losing 13 times in a row is definitely a possibility. It's not like the possibility of you winning the gamble goes up after every loss.

Also, with freebitco.in, the possibility of you winning a x2 multiplier is 47.50% not 50%.

not quite, i have had more rounds today, i lost 10 times on another round , but i won 1 times and recovered my lost satoshi, say wathever u say this is not a provably fair game... also a friend played some months ago and he lost 17 times in a round, for y'all if you dont want to risk your satoshi, dont bet on this website.

In most online casinos, including crypto and non crypto casinos, games are provably fair. The mistake that players always make is that they ignore the fact that house edge has power there and they can't go against mathematics rules when you play with numbers.
Always win on long term is on casinos's side, games have house edge because to keep casinos running their business and getting profit from it. Without house edge, casinos would go bankrupt.
You also miss one fact, the provably fair games aren't tracking your previous bets and think, oh this man has done bet 15 times and now it's time to win. New bet = new story written on new paper where your old data doesn't even exist.

And if anyone wants to play dice, logically they should look for other websites where dice is their main target and offer dozens of promotions around it along with 1% house edge.

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I don't why anyone would play at Freebitco.in. They used to be a faucet if I remember correctly. And then I think they started providing lottery where people could use their faucet winnings to buy lottery tickets. Gradually they introduced dice or probably came with lottery, not sure.
Anyway, why would you even go and play there when there are lot of other well known casinos? Look at their house edge. Its a total turn off. There are casinos that provides house edge lower than 1% (crypto-games.net has like around 0.8% house edge). Play over there, you have better chance of winning.

On freebitcoin there is a sportsbook where you can bet on many events.
Does crypto-games offer that feature?

In behalf of adzino-- No they havent but they have lots of variety of games that you can play on. Cheesy

When it comes to dice then this site do have the lowest house edge.

On topic, freebitco.in is been trusted for years and they wont last for years upto now if they arent fair at all or they're doing shady stuffs..

Thank you for your reply.
Well, if you want to be sure to play a fair game on freebitcoin, you just need to change the client seed and to replace it by your own client seed(which can be whatever word you want)
Then you can easily check if the result is ok or not with the server seed and with its hash.

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People have to keep saying the same thing over and over again in order to make sure it is ingrained in peoples mind that you can lose many times in a row and that is not how you disprove the provably fair. What people are not really talking about too much is the fact that provably fair is not trust based thing and it is factually "provably" fair, as in there is a code behind it and there is a technology behind it, so there is a data that backs up the provably fair claim of the websites and when you lose many times in a row you can check it and see if it was provably fair or not from that system and can see that.

Some people think that provably fair is just websites claiming to be like that but are not, no website can claim to be provably fair and turn out not for a long time, eventually someone will figure that out.

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Just because you lost, it doesn't immediately translate into bullshit stuff. It's better to understand that there are possibilities that you cannot foresee or foretell. If you gamble, you should be aware of the risk. Just make sure you don't lose the money that you are going to use for your necessities, like rent. Lol.

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Quote from: acdc on April 11, 2020, 02:46:07 PM

Surely you are not the only case, I guess 90% of people who used to play frebitco have encountered a situation of losing many times in a row in a short time.
I also encountered the same situation, constantly losing dozens of times in a short time. Although it is entirely possible, the chance that you lose 10 times in a row is very small.

This isnt only applied on Freebitco alone but in all dice sites as well no matter how big their house edge or small it is.Tendency or chance of losing streak is inevitable and 10x lose in a row is indeed small.I do even experience 20x in a row which totally burn all of my balance in a blink of an eye..First of when i was a newbie then it do give out that kind of question on mind on hows that possible but later on i realize
on how do thing works and we shouldnt really expect too much that making money is easy as hell.Freebitco is reputable and been known by many btw and they arent shady at all-- OP just got burned by typical losing streaks that he might even not experience before.

Until now freebitco is still a very good betting platform, lots of people participate in gambling there. However, there are still many allegations regarding too many consecutive losses in a short time.
I personally think that if someone is a newcomer and does not have a lot of knowledge or self-control, it is best not to engage in gambling.

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I think its time to put this topic to rest, basically its over 4 pages long and its been over a week since the OP replied and most likely he won't be active in this topic again. People are saying the same thing over and over again and its becoming repetitive.

I don't understand why the OP created a new thread instead of just posting in the already active Freebitco.in thread where he would of gotten the same support. Because people create these new threads and very quickly the topic reaches a conclusion however people still keep posting without reading any posts except the main post.

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Quote from: STT on April 11, 2020, 07:23:36 AM

Martin is a pleb, dont do that. It dont work from multiple perspectives, mostly imo because it never really pays alot just repays prior loss so pointless risk as OP gives details on; these streaks can happen.

It should be unlikely but I agree none of these games were ever in your favour so thats a bad starting point to be in disappointment, you arent owed anything in fact you know for sure the odds are against you.
However it should be unlikely to get 13 repeats in a row, I put it into a calculator for odds and its far less then 1% chance in theory. Alot of people dont like theories, they want definite but that aint gambling sadly :p

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The conclusion of failure or corruption has to be weighed against the millions of players who attempt the same thing. Just very roughly, the odds shown above are 1 in 4344 so for every amount of customers who play this game it can happen. I would advise you to stream your games gambling, as a record and proof and if you are correct and there is unfair bias it will show up.

0.02% sounds like very favorable odds, however that percentage goes up the more wagers you make. If you want to make a decent amount of profit like 100,000 satoshis you will need a minimum of 100k rolls. The odds of getting 13 consecutive losses with that many rolls is close to 100%.

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Quote from: 20kevin20 on April 05, 2020, 02:42:48 PM

How it is possible to lose 13 times in less than 1 minute, with a game that have 50 % win / 50% lose chance?. bullshit. fortunatelly i only bet 17k satoshi...

dont spend your satoshis on this shit game.

Because you didn't win doesn't mean that the site isn't fair?
The website has been operating for so long and this is the first time that I have seen this kind of accusation you are crying for 17K Satoshi because the system didn't let you win.
I guess you are one of those who have been watching some tricks on youtube and dreaming of making it real on your own.
And beside you could enjoy their game without even spending your own money beceause they have a faucet if you don't have enough money or doesn't want to deposit.

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Quote from: acdc on April 11, 2020, 02:46:07 PM

its not fair, and y'all appear to be paid bots or persons on behalf of freebitcoin site, i have played a true fair random number from random.org on a 1 - 10000 range for 6 hours, and i never got a streak of even 8 loses (under 5k) or a streak of 8 wins (above 5k) have u ever won 30 times? if the probability is almost the same, then some day you could win 20 or 30 times, but this wont happen!! never!!, bullshit, anyways i wont bet again.

I have busted numerous times on many gambling websites, the one I used the most being PrimeDice. It's very common, welcome to gambling. Had you won 13x in a row, you wouldn't have posted a thread to praise them. I thought it's pretty obvious that casinos are made for their owners to earn money, not to lose it. So you're always going to be half a step behind the casino, but you do have a chance to step ahead if you're lucky enough.

In fact, I have busted after a streak of more than 20x losses. It's gambling. Kinda awkward to be sad that you've lost - it's part of the game, throw a bit of unluckiness dust on a session and there you go..

I hope by now, the OP realized that he is in gambling and what he was complaining about is really a normal outcome just like in dice. And why would users here will defend freebitco if they also see something shady here? Freebitco has been here for so long, and that kind of complaint I can say is not valid.

You are right 20kevin20, had he won 13 consecutive streaks, guess he will be silent about it and just keep on playing.

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This is indeed a good example. It is not without reason that Bookmakers always offer 50-50% matches with odds of around 1.85
If two teams or players are equally matched, these odds will be around this course.
If you looked at the situation hypothetically, and the same amount was invested in both markets, keep the bookmaker an advantage of like 5-10%, even before the game has started.

Example:
100 @ 1.85 on Player A
100 @ 1.85 on Player B

So the return is always 185, while 200 comes in. (Revenue 15) In the long run, it should be profitable for a bookmaker, because of these kind of benefits.

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Surely you are not the only case, I guess 90% of people who used to play frebitco have encountered a situation of losing many times in a row in a short time.
I also encountered the same situation, constantly losing dozens of times in a short time. Although it is entirely possible, the chance that you lose 10 times in a row is very small.

This isnt only applied on Freebitco alone but in all dice sites as well no matter how big their house edge or small it is.Tendency or chance of losing streak is inevitable and 10x lose in a row is indeed small.I do even experience 20x in a row which totally burn all of my balance in a blink of an eye..First of when i was a newbie then it do give out that kind of question on mind on hows that possible but later on i realize
on how do thing works and we shouldnt really expect too much that making money is easy as hell.Freebitco is reputable and been known by many btw and they arent shady at all-- OP just got burned by typical losing streaks that he might even not experience before.

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Surely you are not the only case, I guess 90% of people who used to play frebitco have encountered a situation of losing many times in a row in a short time.
I also encountered the same situation, constantly losing dozens of times in a short time. Although it is entirely possible, the chance that you lose 10 times in a row is very small.

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In short, most gambling sites are mostly in favor of the house that means when you are going to gamble the result would be more likely that you' lose and seldomyl wins. That is why it's called gamble because if you alsways win then it is not gamble at all but a giveaway or free.

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Martin is a pleb, dont do that. It dont work from multiple perspectives, mostly imo because it never really pays alot just repays prior loss so pointless risk as OP gives details on; these streaks can happen.

It should be unlikely but I agree none of these games were ever in your favour so thats a bad starting point to be in disappointment, you arent owed anything in fact you know for sure the odds are against you.
However it should be unlikely to get 13 repeats in a row, I put it into a calculator for odds and its far less then 1% chance in theory. Alot of people dont like theories, they want definite but that aint gambling sadly :p

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The conclusion of failure or corruption has to be weighed against the millions of players who attempt the same thing. Just very roughly, the odds shown above are 1 in 4344 so for every amount of customers who play this game it can happen. I would advise you to stream your games gambling, as a record and proof and if you are correct and there is unfair bias it will show up.

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Quote from: Saint-loup on April 11, 2020, 05:25:21 AM

I don't why anyone would play at Freebitco.in. They used to be a faucet if I remember correctly. And then I think they started providing lottery where people could use their faucet winnings to buy lottery tickets. Gradually they introduced dice or probably came with lottery, not sure.
Anyway, why would you even go and play there when there are lot of other well known casinos? Look at their house edge. Its a total turn off. There are casinos that provides house edge lower than 1% (crypto-games.net has like around 0.8% house edge). Play over there, you have better chance of winning.

On freebitcoin there is a sportsbook where you can bet on many events.
Does crypto-games offer that feature?

In behalf of adzino-- No they havent but they have lots of variety of games that you can play on. Cheesy

When it comes to dice then this site do have the lowest house edge.

On topic, freebitco.in is been trusted for years and they wont last for years upto now if they arent fair at all or they're doing shady stuffs..

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I don't why anyone would play at Freebitco.in. They used to be a faucet if I remember correctly. And then I think they started providing lottery where people could use their faucet winnings to buy lottery tickets. Gradually they introduced dice or probably came with lottery, not sure.
Anyway, why would you even go and play there when there are lot of other well known casinos? Look at their house edge. Its a total turn off. There are casinos that provides house edge lower than 1% (crypto-games.net has like around 0.8% house edge). Play over there, you have better chance of winning.

They supposed to be a faucet site before but when I think their High/low and lottery click to the public they upgrade and became a gambling site.

But since they used to run for quite a long time for sure many people thinks that they are reputable and quitely they are impressive for giving a good game as of now, so maybe this is the reason why people play their and I quitely like this site.

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Quote from: desertfox470 on April 09, 2020, 07:08:11 PM

I don't why anyone would play at Freebitco.in. They used to be a faucet if I remember correctly. And then I think they started providing lottery where people could use their faucet winnings to buy lottery tickets. Gradually they introduced dice or probably came with lottery, not sure.
Anyway, why would you even go and play there when there are lot of other well known casinos? Look at their house edge. Its a total turn off. There are casinos that provides house edge lower than 1% (crypto-games.net has like around 0.8% house edge). Play over there, you have better chance of winning.

On freebitcoin there is a sportsbook where you can bet on many events.
Does crypto-games offer that feature?

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Quote from: darewaller on April 09, 2020, 12:16:50 PM

Quote from: EdenHazard on April 09, 2020, 02:19:06 AM

Quote from: desertfox470 on April 07, 2020, 10:36:56 PM

While it is unlikely I don't see it as being impossible. It's kind of like losing a bunch of hands in bj. Sure it's highly unlikely to lose that many rolls in a row, but I'm sure a major amount or rolls every day are done on the site that would make abnormalities like this happen possibly.

He just haven't realized that even getting 100times red in a row is a normal thing in gambling especially if you do the martingale, sayonara.

And you know what you can get 5 green in a row on 30x multiplier! I've experienced it. Isn't it sounds like unfair?
Unfortunately that's gambling.

This is basically the proof that some people still don't know what the odds are and what they mean. A 50% is a 50% and there is nothing changing that at all. You can gamble 10000 times and lose 10000 times and the next one still will be 50% chance to win and not suddenly lower because you had so many losses in a row.

Previous bets do not have anything to do with the future bets, all bets are individual and they should be seen and gambled that way. Of course, you would expect to win after certain time because 50% is half the chance to win equal chance to lose so you would think eventually you would win, but that doesn't have to happen just because you wish that to happen.

This. The bets are unique and don't rely on previous bets. The 50% means 50/50 win loss. Not just you lost one so the next is a guaranteed win. I think that's where a lot of people kind of get messed up thinking that losing 4 in a row can't happen.

i think thats what theyre missing here. and also maybe the op is new in dice game?? this is very possible to happen tbh..i hope he will change his stance on freebitco after realising some facts here..

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Quote from: darewaller on April 09, 2020, 12:16:50 PM

I don't why anyone would play at Freebitco.in. They used to be a faucet if I remember correctly. And then I think they started providing lottery where people could use their faucet winnings to buy lottery tickets. Gradually they introduced dice or probably came with lottery, not sure.
Anyway, why would you even go and play there when there are lot of other well known casinos? Look at their house edge. Its a total turn off. There are casinos that provides house edge lower than 1% (crypto-games.net has like around 0.8% house edge). Play over there, you have better chance of winning.

I agree, as a faucet they are well-known. I was the first faucet serves I even used.
However, I saw the proof provided by the thread creator. He actually missed one thing. even if the change to win is 50% still it doesn't mean that you will win 5 game out of 10 games. The algorithm is competently random, but yes there still a chance for the game provider to make some little tricks.

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I don't know why anyone would play at Freebitco.in. They used to be a faucet if I remember correctly. And then I think they started providing lottery where people could use their faucet winnings to buy lottery tickets. Gradually they introduced dice or probably came with lottery, not sure.
Anyway, why would you even go and play there when there are lot of other well known casinos? Look at their house edge. Its a total turn off. There are casinos that provides house edge lower than 1% (crypto-games.net has like around 0.8% house edge). Play over there, you have better chance of winning.

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Quote from: EdenHazard on April 09, 2020, 02:19:06 AM

Quote from: desertfox470 on April 07, 2020, 10:36:56 PM

While it is unlikely I don't see it as being impossible. It's kind of like losing a bunch of hands in bj. Sure it's highly unlikely to lose that many rolls in a row, but I'm sure a major amount or rolls every day are done on the site that would make abnormalities like this happen possibly.

He just haven't realized that even getting 100times red in a row is a normal thing in gambling especially if you do the martingale, sayonara.

And you know what you can get 5 green in a row on 30x multiplier! I've experienced it. Isn't it sounds like unfair?
Unfortunately that's gambling.

This is basically the proof that some people still don't know what the odds are and what they mean. A 50% is a 50% and there is nothing changing that at all. You can gamble 10000 times and lose 10000 times and the next one still will be 50% chance to win and not suddenly lower because you had so many losses in a row.

Previous bets do not have anything to do with the future bets, all bets are individual and they should be seen and gambled that way. Of course, you would expect to win after certain time because 50% is half the chance to win equal chance to lose so you would think eventually you would win, but that doesn't have to happen just because you wish that to happen.

I wouldn't say it's 50-50% because statistically you will encounter more often 3 losses in a row streaks than 4 in a row ones. And more often "10000" losses in a row streaks than 10001 in a row ones. So statistically you have more chances to win and to get a smaller loss streak than to lose and to get a longer one...

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Quote from: mk4 on April 05, 2020, 12:43:08 AM

not quite, i have had more rounds today, i lost 10 times on another round , but i won 1 times and recovered my lost satoshi, say wathever u say this is not a provably fair game... also a friend played some months ago and he lost 17 times in a round, for y'all if you dont want to risk your satoshi, dont bet on this website.

Tell you what. While I think there's no way for us to really find out if the "win chance" percentage is actually legitimate or not and while I'm definitely no probability or statistics expert, even if we manually set it to 50%(hence lower potential winnings), having such a losing streak is in no way impossible. And taking note that you had your multiplier set to 2 hence your chances of winning is lower than 50%(47.50%). Don't underestimate the -2.5% difference.

Even with that 2.5% house is at its winning side already. I guess OP will have to play more often to increase the odds of winning. Frankly speaking its all about money business and I have read threads who summed up that "more your play, higher your winning chances"

Off-course it is always part your consistency which will bring back the losses along the way.

Quote from: adaseb on April 05, 2020, 12:04:28 AM

Why is it that every few months there is someone who is surprised their "Martingaling strategy" has suddenly failed due to >15+ losses in a row.

We have all been there. We discover dice and see how easy it is to make money. Basically bet $1 and if you lose, bet $2 next round and you will always win. Its impossible to get over 10 losses in a row correct? Wrong.

I think I was cleaned out before with like 15-16 reds in a row on 50/50 dice a few years back. Basically built up my account for weeks with martingale and eventually it failed that one time and lost the entire account.

Yes. The Martingale Strategy. Been on the tip of my tongue since my first reply and simply didn't mention it instead because I forgot what it was called. Been a victim of that too in the past when I was in my younger years. You quickly learned that for that strategy to be viable in the slightest, you would need A LOT more capital than what you thought. I completely underestimated how fast the doubling could grow.

Martingaling : That is something really new for me. That's the learning today from gambling side. I will research more on this strategy on my own to see the chances of winning.

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Quote from: darewaller on April 09, 2020, 12:16:50 PM

Quote from: EdenHazard on April 09, 2020, 02:19:06 AM

Quote from: desertfox470 on April 07, 2020, 10:36:56 PM

While it is unlikely I don't see it as being impossible. It's kind of like losing a bunch of hands in bj. Sure it's highly unlikely to lose that many rolls in a row, but I'm sure a major amount or rolls every day are done on the site that would make abnormalities like this happen possibly.

He just haven't realized that even getting 100times red in a row is a normal thing in gambling especially if you do the martingale, sayonara.

And you know what you can get 5 green in a row on 30x multiplier! I've experienced it. Isn't it sounds like unfair?
Unfortunately that's gambling.

This is basically the proof that some people still don't know what the odds are and what they mean. A 50% is a 50% and there is nothing changing that at all. You can gamble 10000 times and lose 10000 times and the next one still will be 50% chance to win and not suddenly lower because you had so many losses in a row.

Previous bets do not have anything to do with the future bets, all bets are individual and they should be seen and gambled that way. Of course, you would expect to win after certain time because 50% is half the chance to win equal chance to lose so you would think eventually you would win, but that doesn't have to happen just because you wish that to happen.

This. The bets are unique and don't rely on previous bets. The 50% means 50/50 win loss. Not just you lost one so the next is a guaranteed win. I think that's where a lot of people kind of get messed up thinking that losing 4 in a row can't happen.

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Quote from: EdenHazard on April 09, 2020, 02:19:06 AM

Quote from: desertfox470 on April 07, 2020, 10:36:56 PM

While it is unlikely I don't see it as being impossible. It's kind of like losing a bunch of hands in bj. Sure it's highly unlikely to lose that many rolls in a row, but I'm sure a major amount or rolls every day are done on the site that would make abnormalities like this happen possibly.

He just haven't realized that even getting 100times red in a row is a normal thing in gambling especially if you do the martingale, sayonara.

And you know what you can get 5 green in a row on 30x multiplier! I've experienced it. Isn't it sounds like unfair?
Unfortunately that's gambling.

This is basically the proof that some people still don't know what the odds are and what they mean. A 50% is a 50% and there is nothing changing that at all. You can gamble 10000 times and lose 10000 times and the next one still will be 50% chance to win and not suddenly lower because you had so many losses in a row.

Previous bets do not have anything to do with the future bets, all bets are individual and they should be seen and gambled that way. Of course, you would expect to win after certain time because 50% is half the chance to win equal chance to lose so you would think eventually you would win, but that doesn't have to happen just because you wish that to happen.

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Quote from: desertfox470 on April 07, 2020, 10:36:56 PM

While it is unlikely I don't see it as being impossible. It's kind of like losing a bunch of hands in bj. Sure it's highly unlikely to lose that many rolls in a row, but I'm sure a major amount or rolls every day are done on the site that would make abnormalities like this happen possibly.

He just haven't realized that even getting 100times red in a row is a normal thing in gambling especially if you do the martingale, sayonara.

And you know what you can get 5 green in a row on 30x multiplier! I've experienced it. Isn't it sounds like unfair?
Unfortunately that's gambling.

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Quote from: soloasi on April 07, 2020, 06:14:24 PM

You can calculate if your number is the one they said it was...

IF thres anyone who has an old account of this site (freebitco.in, and i mean OLD, like under the USER ID: 600000) and dont use it, i would like to buy it, anyone interested send me and MP Grin

My account there is old, but not that much. User ID 1.535.000!

For people who wish to check hash and calculate number https://dicesites.com/provably-fair. Anyone can follow the steps and check any hash from any dice site. It was interesting for me to check hashes here and there in the beginning, but I don't do it anymore. Gambling is gambling, if you don't believe in casino choose another, if you need to check them all the time what's the point in that?!

Mine is quite old, it is 291k range, I don't know what that means or how that would really change anything at all, anyone who creates a brand new account and anyone who has an old account has the same chances that other people have, except of course I get a lot more for my freerolls because I have been wagering there for years now, considering I have been around here for probably over half a decade, I think it is fair that I am getting more for my freerolls but I have always get them so they are not that high, could have been even higher if I didn't claimed them but whats the point if they give me even 100 bitcoin per free roll if I am not going to get it, they can offer me a million bitcoins and wouldn't make a difference if I don't claim, so now its like 300 or so maybe 400 lately I don't recall. Everything else is exactly the same though.

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Quote from: Degens on April 08, 2020, 03:42:52 AM

Posts like this are why casinos make so much money.

lol but why ? because of secretly promoting it instead of complaining ? maybe thats true because i have seen simillar attempts like this on the past not just only on gambling but also on crypto coins as well . what happens is that peope are gonna get curios to check the site or that coin and then they could have tried it out , out of thier curiousity .

anyway freebit is legit imo , they are old enough on the gambling/faucet industry so why would people still doudbt on thier game ?

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Quote from: soloasi on April 07, 2020, 06:14:24 PM

You can calculate if your number is the one they said it was...

IF thres anyone who has an old account of this site (freebitco.in, and i mean OLD, like under the USER ID: 600000) and dont use it, i would like to buy it, anyone interested send me and MP Grin

My account there is old, but not that much. User ID 1.535.000!

For people who wish to check hash and calculate number https://dicesites.com/provably-fair. Anyone can follow the steps and check any hash from any dice site. It was interesting for me to check hashes here and there in the beginning, but I don't do it anymore. Gambling is gambling, if you don't believe in casino choose another, if you need to check them all the time what's the point in that?!

Quote from: elmanchez on April 07, 2020, 03:32:33 PM

A coin has two sides, an eagle and a tails.
How likely is the eagle to drop 13 times? The chance is quite small but it exists, and the tails can also drop out, not even 13 times, but as much as 1000 times, there is 0.0001%, but there is a chance to prove that this is not fair - it’s unrealistic.

Please try that by yourself, if you have patience and energy for that. Take a coin and throw it and write down results. Try that 1000 times or more, and you will see what can happen. Maybe you will have a longer streak than 13! If you try 10000 chances to have longer streak just got bigger.

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While it is unlikely I don't see it as being impossible. It's kind of like losing a bunch of hands in bj. Sure it's highly unlikely to lose that many rolls in a row, but I'm sure a major amount or rolls every day are done on the site that would make abnormalities like this happen possibly.

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Quote from: bhabygrim on April 06, 2020, 07:37:43 AM

How it is possible to lose 13 times in less than 1 minute, with a game that have 50 % win / 50% lose chance?. bullshit. fortunatelly i only bet 17k satoshi...

dont spend your satoshis on this shit game.

Freebitco.in gives you the hash of the seed it will play. And you can change manually your client seed to play whatever seed you want. So freebitco.in can't guess what seed you will play, that's why it's provably fair.

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A coin has two sides, an eagle and a tails.
How likely is the eagle to drop 13 times? The chance is quite small but it exists, and the tails can also drop out, not even 13 times, but as much as 1000 times, there is 0.0001%, but there is a chance to prove that this is not fair - it’s unrealistic.

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1. Freebitco.in has 5% House Edge. And even at 1% house edge, 10 times losing streak is always possible.

2. Martingale is not a betting strategy.

3. 50 % win / 50% lose chance? - bottom line, still relying on chances.

4. Charge that to your experience. You can gamble again if you want but at least you know now what will happen if you continuously play longer each of your sessions.

5. Lock this thread as somehow the community already feeds your mind. You can find it at the bottom left of this thread.

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Let me guess you are using martingale strategy and crying now that the house burned you out.
And losing 13 times in a row isn't new in that strategy I think there are so many other gamblers who used the strategy and lose more than just 13 times in a row.

100% sure that he do make use of martingale and we know that once losing streak hits you then expect for your entire balance would be blown up.
This is nothing new and we all know that HE of freebitco is much higher compared on other typical known dice games nowadays.Talking about
freebitco to be not fair? They wont survive this long if they werent. Why not op tries to do use the same strategy on other dice games? for sure
he would experience much more devastating long losing streaks.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on April 05, 2020, 11:06:47 PM

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Quote from: bhabygrim on April 06, 2020, 07:37:43 AM

its not fair, and y'all appear to be paid bots or persons on behalf of freebitcoin site, i have played a true fair random number from random.org on a 1 - 10000 range for 6 hours, and i never got a streak of even 8 loses (under 5k) or a streak of 8 wins (above 5k) have u ever won 30 times? if the probability is almost the same, then some day you could win 20 or 30 times, but this wont happen!! never!!, bullshit, anyways i wont bet again.

Then you shouldn't be playing dice anywhere for money, because these streaks are very common.

The chances of getting such a streak again are quite large on sites with house edge of 5% or higher (it's even very common on sites with lower house edge), 'cause there is a huge range of numbers you can't win on when you place x2 bets (in this case you can't win when hitting numbers between 47.50 and 52.50). But again, you shouldn't falsely accuse casinos for being unfair, it will only make you look bad.

I’m not sure who you’re calling bots or paid persons as I can clearly see many legendary members, and other high ranking members have tried and explained to you but you seem hell bent on not understanding their views. I hope this line will help you verify and prove why others are right:

Perhaps you should be quoting the right post.. =/

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Let me guess you are using martingale strategy and crying now that the house burned you out.
And losing 13 times in a row isn't new in that strategy I think there are so many other gamblers who used the strategy and lose more than just 13 times in a row.

Well I am one of them!

Before I played dices a lot, I mean a lot, for hours, burning bitcoins and making bitcoins (when prices was under 500 dollars). With 49% chances to win I had over 30 reds! Once I played roulette, betting on red and after 23 misses I lost 0.5 btc, I didn't have for the next bet! I can tell you that over 4/under 95, you can lose up to 5-6 times!
We can discuss is it provably fair or not, but it's gamble! You never know what can happen, for me winning and losing streaks are normal, it's normal for me to see 5 times the same number!!! It happens. That's why it's important to take breaks after some time, or to change strategy! When you push the same strategy for hours you will run in losing streak!

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Quote from: Savemore on April 05, 2020, 12:42:28 AM

Quote from: pawanjain on April 04, 2020, 11:33:29 PM

Freebitco.in has been in business for years now and it has been very transparent with their process.
That's why they also display their process of calculating their next roll. They also show the client seed and nonce used for calculating the previous roll.
So it's just a matter of luck I would say. If your luck was too bad you can even lose 20 times in a row and then win the next ones.
If your luck is too good you can even win 10 times in a row. 47% chances of winning in no way guarantees that the number acquired would definitely make you a profit. It's just pure luck.

It is all about luck, I previously usedFreebitcoin.in and for me they are fair and not doing any bad and that is why for me that they are transparent. You lose 13 times because your multiplier is x2. It is better if you will earn more experience in order for you to understand how the dice games work. Maybe you try other dice games in other sites that have look a like with the dice game of freebitcoi.in

What's the point of quoting my post here because I just said the same thing. May be you were trying to quote OP and mistakenly quoted my post.
Also, it's freebitco.in and not freebitcoin.in

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Let me guess you are using martingale strategy and crying now that the house burned you out.
And losing 13 times in a row isn't new in that strategy I think there are so many other gamblers who used the strategy and lose more than just 13 times in a row.

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Every time people losing on gambling, they will say "This game was cheated" would be a different scenario if he wins multiple times will be like this "Ok, this casino was rigged maybe i will play at here to get more money".

As long the assumption not a discussion about the "provably fair" from the casino, this is just an "angry situation" because he losing money went doing gambling. U should using the money you can afford to lose, if you can't afford it then do not doing gambling.

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Quote from: s0lidus on April 05, 2020, 02:32:52 PM

its not fair, and y'all appear to be paid bots or persons on behalf of freebitcoin site, i have played a true fair random number from random.org on a 1 - 10000 range for 6 hours, and i never got a streak of even 8 loses (under 5k) or a streak of 8 wins (above 5k) have u ever won 30 times? if the probability is almost the same, then some day you could win 20 or 30 times, but this wont happen!! never!!, bullshit, anyways i wont bet again.

Before you try another dice site and call it a scam because you ran into a huge losing streak, learn how to verify your bets and you will see that its IMPOSSIBLE for dice sites to cheat you.

Do you know how hashing works? Its basically a one way function. Very easy to hash a function but near impossible to do it in reverse, this is why bitcoin and banks are so secure due to SHA hashing.

So before you bet, look at your server seed, its hashed , you don't know the unhashed seed yet, then bet a few times, and when you are done, request a new seed and you will be given the unhashed seed of your last round. Then put that seed in some script and it will show you if you were cheated and 100% the bets are fair.

Its impossible for the dice site to cheat you, you just lost due to high house edge AND bad luck.

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its not fair, and y'all appear to be paid bots or persons on behalf of freebitcoin site, i have played a true fair random number from random.org on a 1 - 10000 range for 6 hours, and i never got a streak of even 8 loses (under 5k) or a streak of 8 wins (above 5k) have u ever won 30 times? if the probability is almost the same, then some day you could win 20 or 30 times, but this wont happen!! never!!, bullshit, anyways i wont bet again.

Then you shouldn't be playing dice anywhere for money, because these streaks are very common.

The chances of getting such a streak again are quite large on sites with house edge of 5% or higher (it's even very common on sites with lower house edge), 'cause there is a huge range of numbers you can't win on when you place x2 bets (in this case you can't win when hitting numbers between 47.50 and 52.50). But again, you shouldn't falsely accuse casinos for being unfair, it will only make you look bad.

I’m not sure who you’re calling bots or paid persons as I can clearly see many legendary members, and other high ranking members have tried and explained to you but you seem hell bent on not understanding their views. I hope this line will help you verify and prove why others are right:

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People who gamble should know what the risk in gambling is.It's quite possible to lose 13x at a row. I don't know if freebitco.in is not provably fair or not because I don't play too much like other people. You are over reacting in this. you have no way to verify that it's legit or not. Better move on and try again, that's how people win more than 13x at a row.

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Honestly bitcoin dice gambling has been around for probably around a decade now, satosidice was the first one and I do not remember when it first ever started but it must be getting close to a decade nowadays, or maybe one year away. With all of that in mind, can people still be shocked that they can lose too many times in a row? That happens when you gamble too much, you also win too many times in a row as well but in martingale you do not realize it all that much unfortunately.

Just realize already that in a long enough period of time people will lose too many times in a row that martingale is not a perfect idea, if it was everyone would do martingale and get rich and casinos would bankrupt, the only reason why casinos are still standing is the fact that eventually you will lose.

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its not fair, and y'all appear to be paid bots or persons on behalf of freebitcoin site, i have played a true fair random number from random.org on a 1 - 10000 range for 6 hours, and i never got a streak of even 8 loses (under 5k) or a streak of 8 wins (above 5k) have u ever won 30 times? if the probability is almost the same, then some day you could win 20 or 30 times, but this wont happen!! never!!, bullshit, anyways i wont bet again.

I have busted numerous times on many gambling websites, the one I used the most being PrimeDice. It's very common, welcome to gambling. Had you won 13x in a row, you wouldn't have posted a thread to praise them. I thought it's pretty obvious that casinos are made for their owners to earn money, not to lose it. So you're always going to be half a step behind the casino, but you do have a chance to step ahead if you're lucky enough.

In fact, I have busted after a streak of more than 20x losses. It's gambling. Kinda awkward to be sad that you've lost - it's part of the game, throw a bit of unluckiness dust on a session and there you go..

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its not fair, and y'all appear to be paid bots or persons on behalf of freebitcoin site, i have played a true fair random number from random.org on a 1 - 10000 range for 6 hours, and i never got a streak of even 8 loses (under 5k) or a streak of 8 wins (above 5k) have u ever won 30 times? if the probability is almost the same, then some day you could win 20 or 30 times, but this wont happen!! never!!, bullshit, anyways i wont bet again.

Then you shouldn't be playing dice anywhere for money, because these streaks are very common.

The chances of getting such a streak again are quite large on sites with house edge of 5% or higher (it's even very common on sites with lower house edge), 'cause there is a huge range of numbers you can't win on when you place x2 bets (in this case you can't win when hitting numbers between 47.50 and 52.50). But again, you shouldn't falsely accuse casinos for being unfair, it will only make you look bad.

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its not fair, and y'all appear to be paid bots or persons on behalf of freebitcoin site, i have played a true fair random number from random.org on a 1 - 10000 range for 6 hours, and i never got a streak of even 8 loses (under 5k) or a streak of 8 wins (above 5k) have u ever won 30 times? if the probability is almost the same, then some day you could win 20 or 30 times, but this wont happen!! never!!, bullshit, anyways i wont bet again.

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How it is possible to lose 13 times in less than 1 minute, with a game that have 50 % win / 50% lose chance?. bullshit. fortunatelly i only bet 17k satoshi...

dont spend your satoshis on this shit game.

This is an unfortunate turn of events, but it doesn't prove that the website's cheating. To prove that it's not provably fair, I believe you'd have to point out a particular trick/weakness in the code that makes it possible. I mean, isn't the whole point of the provably fair mechanism is that you can check every bet to see if it was a truly random outcome? Have you even tried to do that, to check that provably fair thing? No matter how big a sample of data you take, there will be people saying that it's still a possibility, no matter how low, and they'd be right. But thousands of bets would mean a super-low possibility and thus higher suspicions, while I am sure many of us who played dice for a while faced this 10+ in a row situation.

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C'mon, man. It's quite possible to lose 13x at a row. you are over reacting in this. I have lost more than 13x even but I have won too. Would you say a word to freebitco.in or ask here anything if you win more than 13x at a row? However, you have no way to verify that it's legit or not. Better move on and try again, that's how people win more than 13x at a row.

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How it is possible to lose 13 times in less than 1 minute, with a game that have 50 % win / 50% lose chance?. bullshit. fortunatelly i only bet 17k satoshi...

dont spend your satoshis on this shit game.

It's not 50%-50%, but 47.5%-52.5% as other users have already mentioned, so basically, you haven't lost 12 times in a row due to scam or unfairness/whatever, but because of the high house edge, otherwise you would have won the last bet and covered a part your losses.

How is it possible to lose 12 or 13 times in less than 1 minute?

Random can be a bitch, each roll is a roll generated on its own and has nothing to do with previous rolls. It's not bullshit, but plain bad luck.

When you gamble, try to accept losses like this too. This topic should be locked as there is no valid proof to accuse a casino with a very good reputation when it comes to fairness.

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So if the chance of losing is 52.5 percent, to lose 12 times in a row like you did is (.525)^12 * 100 meaning a 0.044% chance. It's not necessarily impossible that you lost, you just have terrible luck. Their house edge is massive anyways so I'm not sure why you're using their dice game to actually win money.

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How it is possible to lose 13 times in less than 1 minute, with a game that have 50 % win / 50% lose chance?. bullshit. fortunatelly i only bet 17k satoshi...

dont spend your satoshis on this shit game.

OP not every day is lucky day aswell not all your bets will win sometimes long lost streak will occur and it will not never define for a site that they are not fair, better not to live or take gambling seriously so that you will not expect anything to much on it.

And hopefully you get a clarification for the peoples answer here since this type of game is base on luck and just think this way if we win today well that's good but if not move on.

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Come on, OP. I've lost more than 30 times in a row 2 or 3 years ago in this same web and I didn't say the game isn't provably fair. It's just a matter of statistics and house edge. Simple as that.

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Quote from: Twinkledoe on April 05, 2020, 01:57:28 AM

How it is possible to lose 13 times in less than 1 minute, with a game that have 50 % win / 50% lose chance?. bullshit.

Because the win chance is always <50% for all the rolls you made. It's not like the winning chance gets better every time you lose, the winning chance is always less than <50 in all dice sites and you might even have a streak of 30+ loss if you are unlucky.

And this isn't a proof that Freebitco.in game is not provably fair. You can always verify your rolls if you got any doubt.

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Firstly, welcome to the gambling world op since you seem to be an amateur based on what I have read so far in this thread. You are honestly complaining about losing 13 times in a row? That is nothing. I personally know people who lost 25+ times in a row.

Also, Freebitco house edge is way higher when compared to sites like Stake etc which is why losing 13 times in a row is nothing in this site. Stop complaining without doing your research op.

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You've got the lesson. I think you now know that gambling is not fair Grin

You should call yourself is not lucky, and don't blame the system because the house will take all of your money. People who gamble should know what the risk in gambling is, so they don't chase the winning but enjoy the games. I don't know if freebitco.in is not provably fair or not because I don't play too much like other people.

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If I win more than 10 times in a row, the game is probably rigged too right? Grin

Though the probability of that happening is too low, it can happen still and Freebitco.in remains provably fair.

That's just bad luck mate, maybe you woke up at the wrong side of the bed this morning. Wink

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I don't know if the OP is new in dice game but what he stated is just a normal one. Losing those 13 consecutive streaks is not impossible to happen but actually a normal one. Also, martingale strategy doesn't work all the time, if he wanted to apply on that. If he is playing dice for long time and not only freebitco, I guess he will encounter such long losing streaks. This is not an isolated case.

I totally agree with your point because strategies are made by people who gamble but wanted to win however he/she can using such strategiesor experimenting strategies to use when gambling. In op's case, I really don't know what op used when gambling on freebitco . in and posted here about the lose streak.

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Quote from: jademaxsuy on April 05, 2020, 01:25:10 AM

You really think it's 50/50 win or lose chance?. You just want to earn money and whining about how you lose. The winning percentage is not 50/50 but 47.50 win rate and 52.50 lose rate so don't ever think that you'll win all the time or for a couple times. It is clearly that you are very unlucky. Just accept the fact that you lose in a row.

I don't know if the OP is new in dice game but what he stated is just a normal one. Losing those 13 consecutive streaks is not impossible to happen but actually a normal one. Also, martingale strategy doesn't work all the time, if he wanted to apply on that. If he is playing dice for long time and not only freebitco, I guess he will encounter such long losing streaks. This is not an isolated case.

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You really think it's 50/50 win or lose chance?. You just want to earn money and whining about how you lose. The winning percentage is not 50/50 but 47.50 win rate and 52.50 lose rate so don't ever think that you'll win all the time or for a couple times. It is clearly that you are very unlucky. Just accept the fact that you lose in a row.

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Probably a newbie but an addicted dicer(I don't know if that's even a word) who's invited by a friend referral then clicked that autobet function and he loses 13 streak over it then claiming that a established gambling platform was not probably fair, seems your having some personal issues.

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Quote from: adaseb on April 05, 2020, 12:04:28 AM

Why is it that every few months there is someone who is surprised their "Martingaling strategy" has suddenly failed due to >15+ losses in a row.

We have all been there. We discover dice and see how easy it is to make money. Basically bet $1 and if you lose, bet $2 next round and you will always win. Its impossible to get over 10 losses in a row correct? Wrong.

I think I was cleaned out before with like 15-16 reds in a row on 50/50 dice a few years back. Basically built up my account for weeks with martingale and eventually it failed that one time and lost the entire account.

Yes. The Martingale Strategy. Been on the tip of my tongue since my first reply and simply didn't mention it instead because I forgot what it was called. Been a victim of that too in the past when I was in my younger years. You quickly learned that for that strategy to be viable in the slightest, you would need A LOT more capital than what you thought. I completely underestimated how fast the doubling could grow.

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Quote from: pawanjain on April 04, 2020, 11:33:29 PM

Freebitco.in has been in business for years now and it has been very transparent with their process.
That's why they also display their process of calculating their next roll. They also show the client seed and nonce used for calculating the previous roll.
So it's just a matter of luck I would say. If your luck was too bad you can even lose 20 times in a row and then win the next ones.
If your luck is too good you can even win 10 times in a row. 47% chances of winning in no way guarantees that the number acquired would definitely make you a profit. It's just pure luck.

It is all about luck, I previously used Freebitcoin.in and for me they are fair and not doing any bad and that is why for me that they are transparent. You lose 13 times because your multiplier is x2. It is better if you will earn more experience in order for you to understand how the dice games work. Maybe you try other dice games in other sites that have look a like with the dice game of freebitcoi.in

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Why is it that every few months there is someone who is surprised their "Martingaling strategy" has suddenly failed due to >15+ losses in a row.

We have all been there. We discover dice and see how easy it is to make money. Basically bet $1 and if you lose, bet $2 next round and you will always win. Its impossible to get over 10 losses in a row correct? Wrong.

I think I was cleaned out before with like 15-16 reds in a row on 50/50 dice a few years back. Basically built up my account for weeks with martingale and eventually it failed that one time and lost the entire account.

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Freebitco.in has been in business for years now and it has been very transparent with their process.
That's why they also display their process of calculating their next roll. They also show the client seed and nonce used for calculating the previous roll.
So it's just a matter of luck I would say. If your luck was too bad you can even lose 20 times in a row and then win the next ones.
If your luck is too good you can even win 10 times in a row. 47% chances of winning in no way guarantees that the number acquired would definitely make you a profit. It's just pure luck.

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I guess you are newbie gambler, am I right? Losing 13 in a row on 2x multiplier is obviously possible. You can even get more than that, your claim does not prove that freebitcoin is not provably fair.
The house edge of the game is also higher than other similar game (dice). You can get the same or even worst result on a game with lower house edge.
I believe you will say the same thing against most other sites once you get the same or worst result even if the site is proven as a provably fair site.

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