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Topic: Proof USD fiat is a bubble? 23 Countries Abandoning US Dollar (Read 869 times)

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Did you see that ludicrous display last night?
We have to think of USD as a different form of fiat (than the others). They are printing and making up digital money everyday without a significant issue. And as the economy "progresses" and more people use digital money (not crypto) USD is growing stronger in the mist. Just think about it, they have an army to make sure (almost) no country tosses away their Fiat and almost all technological innovations of the 21st century supporting their digital economy. You need a really strong Bitcoin to counter let alone brake that  Wink

The Fiat money of the 20th century has nothing to do with the Fiat money of today just because they can manipulate the numbers with a click of a button.
It's still pretty weak.

The British Pound for example, running all the way since 1694, has lost well over 99% of its power.

All fiat currency is worthless because inflation is compounded.  The longer it runs, the less it's worth until eventually it's worthless.  Not to mention that it's just debt anyway.
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We have to think of USD as a different form of fiat (than the others). They are printing and making up digital money everyday without a significant issue. And as the economy "progresses" and more people use digital money (not crypto) USD is growing stronger in the mist. Just think about it, they have an army to make sure (almost) no country tosses away their Fiat and almost all technological innovations of the 21st century supporting their digital economy. You need a really strong Bitcoin to counter let alone brake that  Wink

The Fiat money of the 20th century has nothing to do with the Fiat money of today just because they can manipulate the numbers with a click of a button.
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While yes, 23 countries may have abandoned USD; Trump has been cutting the national debt causing a rise in value. If USD is rising in value that's really all that matters, right?
That's not only a matter of financial but also political. I think US govt will not keep silent with this situation. They will find third countries that need US dollar so much. There are still more countries that dependent on US. US govt I think will give more opportunities to those countries to get loan. From the loan the country will pay in Dollar. That's why the dollar price may be corrected but not long time.
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Ya, if bitcoins are in a bubble then what is the USD in? Some sort of hyper thin ready to burst balloon with rotten meat and intestines inside? Seems like a good comparison to me Wink. With a leader like Trump could you ever expect people to stick with USD? I think Trump is great for bitcoins. There's so much "He said what!? How do I move to Canada tomorrow???" that it's inevitable people will want to use another currency. Bitcoins are so attractive right now.

Zomg mark cuban said bitcoins are in a bubble then they crashed almost $1000 the next week or whatever. Who cares. They're already back up to where they were almost. Whales need to feed their massive families apparently. So what. We aren't in a bubble, and when the USD crashes bitcoins will be worth $100,000 USD each (which in today's terms will be about $8k each. What a worthless currency based on thin air).
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This is bound to happen whether now or later if not for any country but for Russia and most of this decisions are more political rather than economical because if a country does not keep his foreign currency in dollars then all those sanctions of freezing assets of any country does not work which in other way guarantee the independence of the country in question and also limits the political influence the UNited states have on such country.
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Welcome to the new multipolar world. I wonder how America will transition from "sole superpower" to a second-class power like what happened to Britain. Hopefully it would be a graceful exit.

The economics behind all this is confusing for common folks like me but I guess this makes it clear that gold and silver, though they may not rise in value that much, will always have some use for storing wealth. Currencies has come and go, gold is still gold.
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While yes, 23 countries may have abandoned USD; Trump has been cutting the national debt causing a rise in value. If USD is rising in value that's really all that matters, right?
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This topic was already been showing up and it was posted in politics and society section in this forum.  I thought this was just a hoax but I have been thinking and does some research and I found out that eventually this has a high chance of being true. If that is really true then America will be left bankrupt. But this will take some time and we don not know what are the steps that the US are already doing to protect their economy.
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This is at least fair warning to what will come. But if i recall history didnt dollar collapsed back in 80s in last century. But if you think that if some countries are abandoning dollar is reason for this to collapse then you are wrong.

Economy is unpredictable from time to time, if dollar price is changes from 103 to 100,7 this dont tell us that its gonna collapse.
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That graph that shows historical evidence of the lenght of past money hegemonies point to an average of 100 years of empires. According to past performance, the dollar should fall somewhere in the next 10 to 30 years... the question is, does past performance guarantee future performance? not really, but it's an interesting indicator.

If USD fails, will a crypto like bitcoin be the world reserve currency? or any other country? (china?)
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I have been expecting this trend for a long time and i am not anymore surprised if soon we can see the mighty USA Dollar falling into the ground because less and less people are using it for international commerce. The mighty dollar from USA is not anymore supported by gold and hence it is just banking on trust and confidence that the government backing it up will remain stable and can pay all of its financial obligations.

Soon America will wake up with their style and standard of living drastically cut because the dollar is losing steam and value. Soon the can feel the punch when the dollar can not afford the still cheap Made-in-China products anymore. The economic fundamentals of USA is not that very healthy and given some major incident it can collapse to the ground and not even the World Bank or the IMF can bail it out.

China and Russia are leading the way to make sure that the dollar can be sidestepped and be replaced by their own monetary unit most especially in trading. Maybe by that time, Bitcoin can play a big role in saving the USA from economic ruin and oblivion but the way things are happening right now the government is not so keen in supporting cryptocurrency...one day they would realize the big mistake and that things can already be TOO LATE.

And sadly the mainstream media is getting blind of this big monetary trend and it is because they have their own agenda too...an agenda that will only destroy the whole of America.
I live in Serbia and here € used for international commerce and even commerce inside the country. We have our national currency, but to buy a house, a car or some detail to the car I need to pay Euros.
I know there are tans of US dollar haters and I know the reason why, but I really doubt that the US will let to move their currency from the leading position so easily. They rather will start a new war, just to be the top of the world.

Yeah I'm a bit afraid by that.
Those assholes will never let the world get out of their grasp! They'd rather burn it down than let it to someone else. It's the first time a country is decading so fast while having so much power: they might be tempted to use it.

And if they refuse their fate and try to take us with them, I don't see how we'll manage to not go down :/
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I have been expecting this trend for a long time and i am not anymore surprised if soon we can see the mighty USA Dollar falling into the ground because less and less people are using it for international commerce. The mighty dollar from USA is not anymore supported by gold and hence it is just banking on trust and confidence that the government backing it up will remain stable and can pay all of its financial obligations.

Soon America will wake up with their style and standard of living drastically cut because the dollar is losing steam and value. Soon the can feel the punch when the dollar can not afford the still cheap Made-in-China products anymore. The economic fundamentals of USA is not that very healthy and given some major incident it can collapse to the ground and not even the World Bank or the IMF can bail it out.

China and Russia are leading the way to make sure that the dollar can be sidestepped and be replaced by their own monetary unit most especially in trading. Maybe by that time, Bitcoin can play a big role in saving the USA from economic ruin and oblivion but the way things are happening right now the government is not so keen in supporting cryptocurrency...one day they would realize the big mistake and that things can already be TOO LATE.

And sadly the mainstream media is getting blind of this big monetary trend and it is because they have their own agenda too...an agenda that will only destroy the whole of America.
I live in Serbia and here € used for international commerce and even commerce inside the country. We have our national currency, but to buy a house, a car or some detail to the car I need to pay Euros.
I know there are tans of US dollar haters and I know the reason why, but I really doubt that the US will let to move their currency from the leading position so easily. They rather will start a new war, just to be the top of the world.
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This seems like something that is very important none of the major news outlets are covering.

You're right, so thank you for sharing your information.  When I first heard about BRIC years ago I knew the end was on the horizon.
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I have been expecting this trend for a long time and i am not anymore surprised if soon we can see the mighty USA Dollar falling into the ground because less and less people are using it for international commerce. The mighty dollar from USA is not anymore supported by gold and hence it is just banking on trust and confidence that the government backing it up will remain stable and can pay all of its financial obligations.

Soon America will wake up with their style and standard of living drastically cut because the dollar is losing steam and value. Soon the can feel the punch when the dollar can not afford the still cheap Made-in-China products anymore. The economic fundamentals of USA is not that very healthy and given some major incident it can collapse to the ground and not even the World Bank or the IMF can bail it out.

China and Russia are leading the way to make sure that the dollar can be sidestepped and be replaced by their own monetary unit most especially in trading. Maybe by that time, Bitcoin can play a big role in saving the USA from economic ruin and oblivion but the way things are happening right now the government is not so keen in supporting cryptocurrency...one day they would realize the big mistake and that things can already be TOO LATE.

And sadly the mainstream media is getting blind of this big monetary trend and it is because they have their own agenda too...an agenda that will only destroy the whole of America.
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A new world monetary system is being set up right now which will completely kill the US dollar, which is the world’s reserve currency.

23 countries (60% of the world’s GDP) are setting up swap lines which bypass the dollar and SWIFT, which is the dollar-based worldwide financial transaction system.

These countries include Russia, China, India, and even Germany, France, and the United Kingdom.

Once the new system is in place, our dollar won’t be needed in these countries and a new reserve currency will come into being. All those dollars in foreign accounts will come home, which will annihilate our monetary system.

Also, China just announced that it will stop purchasing our debt (holding dollars in reserve). This will force The Federal Reserve to print even more dollars than the $85 billion it’s currently printing.

World reserve currencies have always had a limited life span and ours is up.



Historically, new world reserve currencies are backed by gold.

Prices just dropped on gold and silver. NOW it the time to buy! Protect your wealth my friends.

For several years, financial analysts, primarily those outside the mainstream of academia, have been warning that any day could be the black swan event that collapses the dollar, and ends U.S. hegemony as caretaker of the world’s reserve currency. That day has finally arrived as on Nov. 18, a former head trader for a major financial institution issued a harbinger and stated that 23 countries, and 60% of the world’s GDP, are right now setting up new swap lines which bypass the dollar, SWIFT, and the BIS, and will usher in a new global currency system which will kill the dollar.

The thoughts that are put into the minds of men that are aware of what is occurring on trading floors all over the world is when? When is also the question that I get asked about quite often by thousands of people. So what is the “when”? The “when” is what is the sure sign that this fraudulent sham that we call an economy is over? Folks the biggest sign is when those that trade in the dollar to acquire goods, no longer want the worthless paper because of US “bully” policies or they have totally lost faith in the US as a responsible steward of it’s currency and economy. That day has arrived.

All over the world economies that have not totally shot themselves in the foot by gambling in the Anglo-American casino are now moving to set up various currency exchanges by passing the dollar. – Rogue Money via Steve Quayle Q Alerts

The list of the 23 countries which are creating new swap lines outside of the dollar include China, Russia, India, and surprisingly, Germany, France, and the United Kingdom. This means that the Eurozone itself is abandoning the dollar, and preparing for transition to a new central banking system.

To facilitate the transfer of currencies and swap lines, there needs to be a bank of sufficient size and stature to aid in handling of this monumental task. One year ago, China, along with the BRICs nations of Brazil, Russia, India and South Africa, loaned money to a new financial institution they established and labeled the BRICs bank. This bank was created with the intention of bypassing the dollar, and allowing free trade to occur between nations without the need to trade for dollars first, as is currently the format under the petrodollar system. In fact, the new BRICs bank will function both as a bank of international settlement, as well as a lender of last resort, eliminating the need for the BIS and IMF, which currently reside under dollar dominion.

The only thing that stands in the way of the world’s final rejection of the dollar is the wavering trust that Saudi Arabia and OPEC have with the U.S. in assuring oil transactions remain denominated in dollars under the 1970’s Petrodollar agreement. But as the world has seen recently, even the Saudi kingdom is hedging towards a new global system, and has publicly stated that their ties to the U.S. are open for re-negotiation.

What started in September of last year, when an agreement between China and Russia ended the dollar’s stranglehold over oil and how it was purchased, the past 14 months have seen a momentous rush towards setting up the infrastructure to replace the dollar completely in global transactions. And with 23 countries, including those from the BRICs nations and the Eurozone, preparing for new swap lines outside of dollar hegemony, the fuse has been lit on the dollar’s death rattle, and the when has changed into the now.

http://www.truthandaction.org/23-countries-now-abandoning-us-dollar-2/

All of the "bitcoin is a bubble" headlines got me thinking about the current state of affairs with fiat and the media being tailored more towards reporting agendas and propaganda than actual news these days. I remembered russia and china were abandoning the dollar in some capacity but didn't realize there were 21 other countries following suit.

This seems like something that is very important none of the major news outlets are covering.
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