Topic: Protest can give the right solutions? (Read 543 times)

In democratic countries,they will get chance to express and governments may get into some discussions with the protestants but in India there is no effort from government to talk with anyone,they tries to prove they are doing right now even asked citizens to support missed call campaign for their act.In digital world any amount of missed call can be given to specific number and can prove they are majority here.

Not only in India but in most countries of the planet the govt is creating problems when it involves doing something right. There are few countries whose head of state wants everyone to measure in peace Moreover, the governments of most countries don't understand the advantages of citizens They create political problems and check out to become profitable.

Protests may not always provide the right solution but if we see any anti-social activities, we should protest but in our society this does not mean that the ruling party has more influence here. If you want to change the country you have to choose a good leader On the Indian road Modiji continued to work and returned to firing religious reforms instead of obeying the rules.

In India you will be arrested even if you are protesting for good cause and peaceful way.

If needed police can damage the public properties and complaint the cases against protestants.

Protest can be effective and can give solution if fhe volunteers are well informed and are not with self motives. Protest leading to loss of properties , injuries and even fatalities are to be dealt harshly and police have to conduct their work to maintain peace and not let vandalism continue.

In India, you have to protest-

If you want to eat meat.

If you want to live.

If you want a job.

But still they are claiming biggest democracy of world.Fuck yaa...

Protest can help resolve matter if done properly – Yes, it can help resolve the matter in democratic countries since it is people who matters. India claim to be biggest democracy of the world so people have the right to protest. You have to struggle for your rights they are not given so easily.

Pakistan government discriminating the hindus but it doesn't means India should do the same thing to Muslims,Indian muslims has no relation with Pakistan so punishing their own citizen is the stupidity at its worst.If you want help hindus of Pak then make a war and bring peace in their country don/t be an idiot modi ji.

Let human live in peace no matter where they live and what religion they follow. I am sure Indian government will find a solution to this problem which is disturbing minorities in there country. Life is short, another year passed. Can this forum members do anything to bring peace in countries where its required?

If they are going to enforce the rule in India then they are inducing civil war in their country but AFAIK the bill related to proving nationality is not going to be implemented in real soon so the only issue will be CAB.

They'd care... if there's enough outrage. This assumes of course that the government can't just silence dissidents. Obviously protests don't work in dictatorships, they've secured power without needing the people.

I'm not sure about India. It is a democracy (afaik) but I don't know how powerful are the institutions that secures its democracy is.


I think there are still groups that dislike that there were Muslims left in India after the partitioning. How does Pakistan treat its Hindus BTW? Since I don't hear much from them I'm assuming they were either fine or they got wiped off Pakistan, either fled across the border or died.

I have a few Indian friends living in my surroundings. They are also very upset because of the growing protest in their country regarding this bill. What is interesting about this bill is that Hindus along with other communities will get nationality anyway even if they fail to prove there ID but this doesn't hold true for Muslims. So Muslims are the ones that are going to lose there nationality.
CAA, NRC 'may affect status' of Muslims in India: US Congressional report

That is exactly what is happening at the moment,and also they want all the people from India to prove their citizenship by bringing up recorded documents on your own before 50 years.DO you consider this has anything good to the community?

Being in majority doesn't mean that you stop caring for a minority group who are protesting for there rights. Government is like owner of house who has to take care of everyone right at home. Indian government must address these issue so they remain stable in years to come.

Protest done in right way with shared objectives can give right solution or atleast make authorities take actions. Having personal motives , lack of information and violence can never lead to peace and consensus. Everyone does have the right to vocal their veiws , but violence should be dealt strictly and culprits must be punished 

Modi government did this in Kashmir also (a Muslim majority disputed region). Now CAB/CAA is targeting muslims in India and they are the one who are majority of protesters. Even Indian supreme court is fully supporting every act of Modi government and no decision has been given againest Modi government that's one more reason y ppl not going to courts

Depends on the government you're protesting against.
The Indian government is completely stable and have total majority to pass any law so I don't think protests would do any good.

Well it's not the same for all governments. Some are democratic governments are pretty tolerant towards protesters and sincerely listen to their plights. Some, like in hong kong, end up pretty violently. The side of the protesters also don't prove to have the right solutions. They fight for what they think is right on a certain issue though that can end up having worse results.

I also think that if you choose the way to protest in the current era it will not be heard by the government. actually not only in India, even in my country. victims fell but did not reach consensus and solutions. it's better to meet face to face with both parties and make fair decisions.

Most of the politicians forget their promises once they reached powers so they will become more powerful than dictators?

Courts also favours governments even if whole society is against their decision.

In a real democracy, there's no use of protest for building or resisting laws and rules as the desire of public can be expressed through votes. But in a dictatorship, protest could be the only way to make a change.
At present context, almost all of the so called public protest are influenced by international catalyst than self arising within the population.

The government is really powerful and even protestant would be useless. In fact because of protest it always cause harm to the people who are fighting their side because of police who depends the government. That was the sad reality in one society.

So you are saying its okay to lose few hundred or thousands of lives to the riots from police which was pressured by government just to speak out the truth and good for the community?

That is why I said its better to go back the dictatorship rule than calling as democratic country.

Government really need to be put on a serious pressure by way of the Economics activities stand still only then they will have a rethink about the bad decision they have made that led to mass protest. But if the protesters withdraw from their agitation just because of little pressure with the use of Police by the government then the government will have their way. You guys should stand your ground until the government call for negotiation.

But those few people were in ruling power so most people can't do anything against them?

Lets go back to dictatorship then.

There are a little number of individuals who mention religion On the opposite hand most of people respect people of the other religion. a number of us are those who work together to assist people regardless of the problem however much of what's happening has become very bad and lots of people are harmed.

In India more than 90% of people are not happy with the changes made based on religious things and millions of people were protesting at every corner but still government yet to open their mouth related to this,next stage will become violence is that what government wants?

To get a reasonable outcome from protecting against government decision the people leading the agitation should be firm in their decision to lead for good and not to be bought over by the same government they are protesting against. It the reason for the protest is strong enough to encourage more people in that country to support the movement then at the end you guys will achieve your aims even if government should pay some people in their support you guys will win at the end. But once your reason is not genuine enough to attract good numbers of followers then you guys may not likely get good result at the end.

That's why it shows that the poverty haven't any power to control on what happen because they can't do for the country to fight because they are the one who seriously affected. Especially they need to work for them in able to be alive for a day. Protest can show on what they want but it depend always on the government.

I read a news that US media released an article which portrays MODI the current president on India as Hitler because both of them have similar idea to be followed to bring changes in their country.

I did watched a video in the translated version,someone did have original link to that?

Politicians never take protests serious.
And also people forget fast. Sometimes protests are turning backwards and have the opposite effect, due to the fact that many people get frustrated or tired because they cannot go to work or return home because of protests.

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Maybe it can show how or what the people want but actually I think that if there has a research if the government can help by conducting a survey then it must be good and also if they show on what they suggestion for the government because there are a lot of things would be disturb by acting a protest. Actually it can show the problem but it can add some problem by the protestants.  It depends on the government on how they run their administration and we can't help by putting a physical way.

Seriously when i heard about this, i thought i was living in some dictatorship where your internet connection is basically shut down and the media personalities are arrested for capturing the protest, it all resembles of the Emergency declared by Indira Gandhi during the 70s and now people are living in that same situation basically, i am basically from Kerala where the BJP will never win a single seat in any election and never had and hence when i see all these forced atrocities by BJP fanatics i hope people will think twice when they go to the election booth next time, you want a peaceful life or some mad fanatics ruling the country.

It isn't certain that protest give out solutions to the problems but rather it gives out the solution THEY want for the problem, the ANSWER they want for the problem. The government then refuses to acknowledge the answer either because of
A. They're wrong, but they refuse to acknowledge it and they have no way to correct it now, so they just suppress them
B. The answer given by the protestants is good, but it isn't enough. The government ( maybe) Look at it at a bigger scale and think of possible repercussions of their answers.
C. They just don't bloody listen to the protestants cause they believe plebians don't uphold the right to join them in discussions.
Protest are a good thing if the people doing it actually know WHAT they are doing. As for what is happening in India right now, I'd say the government just refuses to acknowledge their ideas. As for the reason? I'm not particularly sure about it.

Protest is a healthy thing if people do it in a civilized manner and actually got something to offer instead of just bashing on the current state of affairs

No one expecting the current ruling party to win on the second time because they never done anything good for the people since 2014 but again they won more places than before and also still some talks that they are cheating election results with EVM machine but nothing was found yet and Modi ji keep doing the things what he wants and also he never forget to explore the world with expensive coat from people's tax money.

A great example the historical chapter in the world political-religious is main factor used in India government very one of the bad things last one-year hundreds off day shutdown internet access without any reason dont be like this political system From what we are seeing now, I can understand that the government of a country is controlling the judiciary of that country.

Which government are you talking about in a democracy . The current situation is that religious fanatics are in power (yeah they won the elections and hence they came into power) and there is nothing that can be done and majority of the literate people feel like the same Hitler regime in Nazi Germany where they rally people with false promise and right now they are dividing people in the name of religion which is absurd.

India is a secular country and the present government wants to create these atrocities in the streets and i hope that the supreme court will intervene to reject an unconstitutional law.

Can't say that. I'm not an expert on India either but the bill was just to support the displaced people from religious minorities in the nearby Muslim countries. I don't think Indian court give death sentence for speaking out about your thought about religion and god.
But can't also ignore the rise of Hindu extremist. All sort of extremism should be neutralized.

India is presently doing religion-based politics within the country wherever Muslims area unit suffering the best loss but, the complete world ought to stand by the Muslims of Asian nation currently the rationale is that they need to destroy a whole nation it's truly a violation of human rights.

@akram143 I’m not from India but in my country there’re many Indians and these protests are a hot topic out here, but in my opinion these protests are not effective because there’s no positive response yet from the Indian government. The only option you’ll can exercise is to file suits in Court and pray that the judge will rule in your favour, but if the judge rules in governments favour then you’ll can do nothing about it.

First of all, if you want to change your country you need to properly select a good and honest leader and also smart because what's good in being good and kind if you're not fit for the position, that's why brains is also important.
India has the most intelligent people from my perspective and is leading in technology and cyber security with proper leadership it could quickly develop as an first world country.

Many India people are so fed up with the British who ruled them for so long, that they won't even use the government the Brits left behind. Instead of using jury rule, they are stepping back into their religious governments, and are thereby destroying the only chance they have for freedom.

It have its risks but if there's enough signatures in there, those politicians might change their minds. Something online like Change.org might be good since you can collect petitions from everywhere. One town in my country was able to force a power company to abandon plans of building a coal plant near their community with just 4k signatures. Heck, they even managed to have a president reinstate an official he "relieved" from office after making a contradictory statement at just 3k votes. 

Do this in conjunction with a physical signature drive to send to congress.

protests are not a vote or a legit thing. its just groups of people hanging around a building

however if they organised all these people who want to protest to sign a petition that they will vote not in favour of a particular politcian, and what the politician must to to win their favour, then that can sway politicians

just begging for change does not harm a government. but showing that without change, bad things can affect the government .. thus it has more power to cause change. such as not voting them in next election. showing how a strike of a particular industry will hurt the reputation of the politician

most politicians only care about their current term in office, anything they dont want to be involved in they push the time limit/target into the distant future to make it someone elses problem.
anything they are interested in they rush it into happening
so just standing around chanting does nothing for or against a politicians motivations. so instead learn what the politicians motivations are and arrange a strategy that impact those motivations

things like the greta girl and climate change.
just protesting "things need to change" does nothing. she is not actually making a demand of a particular target and solution. she is just shouting things need to change
if she instead held governments to account by saying X tree's per land area need to be planted.
raising of sea/river walls to reduce flood risks
.. you know made an actual list of demands.
and then set a punishment if those things were not done. then things can change
the paris agreement on climate change does not actually have hard targets. nor hard punishments. so even if she screams loud enough to get more countries tosign. they still are not then obligated to cause any real change
making her efforts wasted

If you are in India you may aware of how serious the protests are getting all over the India against CAB,but until now Modi Ji government said nothing all they tried to do is to supress the protest by using police attacks on silent protests,banning internet on the major cities unofficially and protests from their party members with paid protestants who supports CAB.

So protest doesn't giving the solution then what is should be?