Topic: Provably fair games are not fair (Read 581 times)

I do also see this one but back in the past where there are people who do really actively changing up their seeds and believing that it was really that affecting their winning rate or chance which i do told to myself

if its really that working? Dont know on whats up into their minds but pretty sure that they had really that able to realize on whats the reality because there's no way on beating up the house on longer runes no matter

how many times you would be changing up that seed that you could able to do so.Odds and chances would be still the same, there are really just people who are that mindful too much whether the site
they are playing on is really that fair or not.

Oh really? Never knew this yet. I don't know if it's true or not but I knew a good number of gamblers who keep on changing/shuffling their seeds. It's not they think that the casino can cheat on them as on what you explain but they only believe that it increases their winning chance.

I know that we can also edit and write costume words as our seeds so they also write weird words and characters on it but most of the times it was their favourite/lucky numbers. For me, I never change my client seed. I think I am over a million bets already with the same seed that I use but believe it or not, I still can be able to win. IMO it's not about the seeds but it's about the reputation of the casino.

Yes, of course, and we knew about it and would never use the casino. I have also experienced playing at this deceptive casino in the past, which made me have to be selective in choosing a casino that really makes me comfortable playing at that casino.

I also tried betting high but it didn't work for me and instead, I lost completely

Studying the site and looking for more info can help us prevent finding the wrong casino. Thus, we will avoid these deceptive casinos.

It is not all casino has that  mate, remember that there are also some BS casino that is here for scamming and cheating so yes they cannot provide truly probably fair , I even experience some casino in the past that has this attitude when I  long played winning but when I tried betting High? then i become a loser  so let the us learn the site first before dealing and also try not to become a victim of those site by not listening to others comment and advices .

Fair on the winning side of gambling or fair on the losing side? There is no such thing as Fair when gambling, if you want fairness then you are talking about winning over and over again so what's in for gambling companies when players are only winning?

There is no way you won't lose when gambling and fact are you will lose more than you win, this is how gambling platforms are designed.

When we experience defeat, sometimes we will think that the casino is cheating on us so we experience that defeat. But actually, we have made mistakes and are not trying to prevent them from happening. But they can still research whether it is really fair or if there is cheating but it takes time to find out the truth. And it's better for us to just play gambling as usual without thinking about whether the casino is really fair or unfair because we will be obsessed with researching it and won't get the pleasure of gambling.

And that's why they can be verifiable to remove that doubt if they're legit or not. But, it's true that whenever we're losing, we think of anything negative for which we also accuse if the provably fair from the casino we've lost is fair or not.

That's one approach so that you won't doubt if the provably fair games are literally fair. Just go with the ones that have been known in the community to avoid any suspecting whenever you're not doing well.

When you are losing then it would be impossible for you not to say up into your mind "arent these things totally fair?" its a very common question in mind specially when you are in a situation where you had bust all of your balance in a snap.Just like you on which im not really a fan on seeing and checking those long hex of numbers and letters just to make myself that convinced that they are fair.
Most sites do really show off about verifying those bet rolls but im not really that paying up attention whether they are really that fair or honest or not.
So its up to someone and its better to stick with those known and reputable ones to save up your time.

Indeed a complex algorithm, this is the the main reason why I am not a fan of some provably fair games in the casinos. Because, there are those rigged provably fair casinos and as for me, it may be difficult to spot which one is legit and which one is not (regardless of it's popularity and where their reputations stands). So, I'd always root for sports betting.

Better yet, if you are in doubt with these games, then simply don't play.
If you think you are being taken advantage of and you are not enjoying the game, look for other games that you think will satisfy your desires.
So even after checking the provably fairness of the site and you are not satisfied, maybe, it is time to change your game or your site.
This kind of consideration is up to the gambler himself. The casino will put their provably fairness system in place and it is on you how to utilize it.

It doesnt really make any sense because people would really be thinking up that way on which in every 100 bets and betting even on 1% winning chance where they do really expect that they would be hitting that

1 winning bet or roll which is really that a very wrong perception or in speaking about chances which those people who do know wouldnt really be having this kind of approach towards on how provably fair means.

We can make out calculations but results or outcomes arent that determined due to random manner and there's no way that we could really make out assurance no matter how
we do make up things.

The client seed is provided by the browser by default, but that can be manipulated by the user, that way the users can make the outcome of the bets fair and random.

I agree, the long run will make us lose, but that is not because the site is rigged, that's because the site has a house edge, and that small percentage on the side of the casino makes the casino win in the long run.

For example, if you bet $10 to 50% chance to win you will not get $20 back, you will get x1.98 if the house edge is 1%. So for each $10 you bet you get back $19.8, and that's why the casinos win in the long run.

What's not random in provably fair game OP? If you know the technicality of it then you should investigate there not just because you think it's not fair on your behalf. What do you mean by random in streaks? Not trying to counter your opinion or observation but being random. Maybe moving on is just the best solution.

Do you have any proof to claim your statement of a person will win if they are going with fixed amount for 100 bets or so on?

I can be coincidence if you are come up with one or two examples but every time if same thing happens then you can accuse the game or the casino for not becoming completely fair with the results but as of now its complete non sense.

As the name implies, 'provably fair game', is a gambling game that checks and verifies an online casino’s fairness towards its players. It relinquishes the fear of most players that online gambling sites will rip them off. A player is supposed to have access to the games he/she has played by using hashtags.
I don't see how a provably fair game is meant to be fair, seeing that it is just a feature independent of a third party, mostly it is for those games that is played with cryptocurrency.
It is supposed to be a proof of work checking system by its own rules of course, in this case it shows results of a gambling game that can only be accessed by the user and non else, not even a third party.
https://www.softgamings.com/casino-glossary/provably-fair/

Probably fair games doesn’t mean you’ll always win, luck should still be on your side and expect losses as well. If there’s something wrong with the site, fairness can be computed but I doubt a simple gambler will do this thing. Live casinos are the same, you can’t expect more winnings on that though the chance of making profit is quiet high especially if you fully understand the game. This is gambling, it is still better to play on a fair site and have fun.

This is complex content so I will explain my opinion in short and best possible way. If you keep using same client seed and do same bets on same games casinos can take advantage of stable variables to rig provably fairness. Shuffle puff is used to give player worst possible combinations and it will lead to more losses than green bets.  You are safe if you use various random client seeds and try different original games, IMHO.

Of course, there will always be inevitable losses even in provable fair games. Because once you gamble, expect that you will gain more losses than wins, that’s the reality. However, when it comes to provable fair games, that means that the casino whether offline or online, is not allowed to cheat on its players because those games show transparency and reliability. If you think they are suspicious, you can actually question them and verify the outcome of the game.

it took me some time to understand What OP is trying to say.
I have read some of the posts to understand the context too, I am not sue - what is the essence of the post.

The idea of only small bets win can be refuted by visiting the casino statistics.  Just by looking at the players bet result, we can see large bets winnings and small bets losing. 


How about a different approach?  Placing a larger bet first then after several wager, decrease your best size, check if the result is different.

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I believe in a provably fair game, the result is random, it is not because your bet is huge why you lost or it is that your bet is small why you win.  It is because the result in a provably fair game is always random.  You win and you lose no matter how much your wagering size is.

I agree with your statement.
gambling is just for fun and if you expect continuous wins or to get a lot of profit, it's better to stay away from gambling. because gambling is like betting luck and is not good for people who think online gambling will be fair and provide continuous wins.
things like that will happen often because the bookies will always win and if you get a big profit it's just a bonus and I think if you gamble on a gambling platform that has a good reputation it's fairer.

Fair gambler?
Where is the evidence and statement that a gambler is fair.
Nothing is fair in gambling, even if someone says that he is always fair in every game he plays, then I say all of that is bulshit and there is no point.
Every gambler plays or bets with the aim of getting a win and their profits will do anything and in any way to be able to win.
If gamblers only put forward fairness and surrender in gambling without doing anything, they will only lose and lose.

We can only assume that the casino we usually use as a place to gamble is fair so we won't really know what happened. And we shouldn't need to go into details about it either because if we play at a trusted casino, the casino won't cheat its players. After all, once a casino cheats and gets caught by some players, they will immediately lose their reputation and can't continue their business. I also never thought whether the casino where I played gambling was fair or unfair because I thought they must be fair regardless of whether it was right or wrong.

If he does not even trust provably fair system how can he trust a live table games while there is no way to prove the fairness of live games. Yes it looks live in a real time and looks no way for the house to cheat/rig the game in live game but we never know. I do not mean to offend live games, I say it in general based on OP's situation where he thinks that provably fair is not fair because he get more loses.

He doesn't even need to change his casino if he doesn't trust its provably fair games anymore. He just need to play at live table games. There are usually presented to players in a way that don't allow any cheat from the house. Anything is shown on the screen to players, dealers are even showing their hands each time they touch something. But if he really thing this provably fair game from this casino is rigged, he should check results and open a scam accusation thread in the right section or in the Investigations section if he needs some assistance.

Some site already state this on their platform and you can know this as well because some site disclose this data.
Knowing the fairness of the site might be one of the concern of many, but I think if you are dealing with the top site some gambler already done their research about it and you can just read it but to make sure, you can also do the same thing. Some site are not honest though, they claim their fairness is good but when someone find out that they are not, that is the only time for them to address that issue of fairness.

This is the truth which seems hidden to some that when it comes to casino gambling no bias actions or activities were being conducted in favour of one and against the other, we don't have fair and unfair games or casinos but what we have is the fair gamblers who thought about this could actually exist, this makes it more interesting to gamble because we know that what we give in is what we get in return, if you're gambling and it's not working then learn more and get improved.

Maybe he played at not reputable casino that's why he rise up that conclusion about placing that bets and get the result he mentioned. If he played at reputable casino maybe all of this will be change and he might think about all is random then its all about luck. He maybe complain because he lost but I bet he will not say those words if he win.

Here is your problem.. You don't understand how provably fair games work. You think that if you place small bets, you win, but if you place large bets, you lose. That is true for casinos that have fake provably fair games and casinos that rig your bets. Play in a legit casino and you will be fine. Also just because you lost 20x in a row doesn't mean you will win in the next bet. I bet you don't complain after you win 100x in just two bets, do you? You are suffering from gamblers fallacy.

I think a lot of people does not understand what the "provably fair" statement on many of these sites mean to them. In my opinion it only says that you as a gambler, can test each and every bet on their site to see if it was done correctly or not. It takes your Client seed and the Server seed and the Nonce and it reverse the process to show that the calculation for the result was valid.

You also have to consider other factors like the RTP and Variance .....so it is not as easy as it sounds to determine if the games are fair or not, if you do not have all those inputs. (The Server seed are hidden to protect the casino)

OP had plenty of time to check which games were fair and unfair, but for me didn't have time to check it all I know is just playing free time with extra money then playing in old reputable casinos, anyway I know the bookie will always win regardless of whether it's a fair or unfair game, that's in my opinion

Used to take provable fair meaning in wrong way until recently when came across one such comment.


 
Meaning is apparent in word itself, 'provable' fairness and there is nothing to correct in op when meaning itself is taken for it's not.

I wouldn't say this method really ensures that the outcome of the game is truly random and unbiased, because the owner of the game can give server seeds and default client seeds with low entropy, not random at all, and even biased ones if he wants. Giving the hash of the server seed doesn't mean he just generated it from a TRNG, he is free to give a combination of server, default client seed and nonce already used, of which he knowns the outcome.  
But at least it offers a way to avoid that by the ability to change the client seed for a truly random one, with a high entropy if the player cares about it.

As far as I know Server seed, Client seed and Nonce are to ensure that the outcome of the game is random and unbiased. You can check this link[1] how provably fair works.


Well, I think during the game there is no certainty of winning a certain number of high payouts in a certain number of spins, or any winning at all. The probability of hitting a high payout depends on the game's rules, and the odds are always set in favor of the house. It is also not guaranteed to hit a high pay in a certain number of spins.  Since as stated the result in a provably fair game is always random.  So we really cannot calculate or predict anything since provably fair game rule is always set to random result of bet. 

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An image on how provably games work:

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[1] https://www.provably.com/

I agree on what you have said which he might pertaining about that provably fair about those odds on winning a particular sessions which it is really just pertaning on the bets whether they are fair or not
on each roll.It has nothing to do about HE or chances for you to win up.

For me it doesnt matter if i do lost on long run because it would really be just that standard because house do always win in the end.Im just really making sure that the site isnt
really making out those each roll to be rigged or not completely being fair. This do really sucks!

I think you don't fully understand what provably fair means, and especially what it doesn't mean. Provably fair doesn't mean you won't lose money in the long run, it doesn't mean the house edge equals 0% or the RTP is 100%. In other words it doesn't mean the expected value is not negative. It just mean you can check the outcome and see if the casino has cheated you or not. So you shouldn't expect to not lose money by playing to these games, you will lose the same amount of money in the long run as a similar live game or a similar non provably fair game not rigged. 

I wasn't sure when I researched the casinos I trust to gamble at currently to see how fair they are and the games are.
but what is certain right now is that if I am comfortable on one of the gambling platforms and they have a support team that is quick to respond and has a board that is always active, I will be loyal and feel at home there. because almost all of the gambling games that I use today have been around for a long time and have a good reputation here, so I have never had any doubts about fair play.

Each casino has its own game program in it and we as gamblers or bettors don't know if the game program at the casino is fair or not in determining a definite end result. If you want to get results and satisfaction in playing, you have to choose a trusted casino.
But what is clear is that every casino will not let gamblers continue to win in every game.
As a gambler, you can finalize these actions by using the right analysts and predictions in every game.
We and the owner or manager of the casino are both looking for profit so we have to do it somehow. That's why in my previous comments I said that in casino games there are no fair or unfair words.

I think many people already know that it's hard to win in gambling so they don't hope that they will win every session they make but they just play for fun using only the money that aren't really needed. There are people who play for profits but they don't always chase higher multipliers because they are also aware that it's not easy to get them but they just bet high on lower multipliers to be able to get a massive win. A 100x multiplier does not mean that we will get it at 100 spins. It also doesn't matter if you bet on fix amount or not. Anything here still works randomly.

Everyone is moving into online casinos, but you here are the opposite. You will move to offline casinos just because you think they are more fair. Well good luck about that but I still think that provably fair casinos are more fairer than those casinos who doesn't have it.

You probably fair being discussed here is about the seed used on the probably fair games and not the literal game fairness that you are describing. The OP pointing out that a casino is using a not probably fair method on determining results which makes him harder to win base on the probability.

In the end most of the bets is verifiable and it’s up to the user if they will believe on it or not. OP should just know the probability is sometimes far different on the actual outcome to avoid this kind of speculation. This type of probably fair games is working properly without any problem for a long time tho.

Yeah even I have seen some gamblers changing the client seed very frequently in the hope to win big in the first few bets.
I don't really know if that's a good strategy or not but I can say that at the end the results would more or less be the same.
A person using the same seed would more or less win the same amount of reward when compared to a person who frequently changes the client seed.

You will always lose if everyday you gamble a lot of money where you put your big capital into a big risk in the gambling.
Now if you place bet 100x spin in any of the slot or whatever games it is, it doesn't mean all the count in spin will lead into winning every time
it rolls of course not, the games is not design in that way.

This is the reason why gambling always depends in luck not in skills and the house edge always win
and the gamblers always lose in the games as well just simple as that.

Sincerely, I don't see how attitude comes into play on what the OP is discussing about, except if you don't understand him, for the fact, like i said in my previous comment, I personally relate to what he said, But then, my personal conclusion on the matter is that, casino games is not the best way to make profit if the motive of playing is to make profit, like for me, I play casino games mostly because i like the game and want to have fun with it, if am really gambling with intent of making money, i know other games to try my luck on, and sports betting is one of those.

even if which gaming you playing , either live or online but if your attitude will not change and that is addicted? then surely you will lose forever, you even trying to ask for No collateral loan meaning you are truly bad in handling your financial status.

I agree. I tested this before playing dice. 10 bets per seed. Results are 4/10, 3/10,7/10,6/10. Provably fair is just the randomness of your game. By doing that I understood how it works. There's no such thing as a lucky seed too. Sometimes one seed could give you a good initial win streak but as it goes on you will feel the changes in the results.
So, you could keep on changing those seeds but soon it will try to balance the outcome because some seeds do give you profits in the long run.
But short-term gamblers will try to get a new seed so it resets.

I think OP is getting it wrong. There are two things that I want to highlight.

1. OP mentioned that the algorithm take client seed, server seed and nonce only and so why would changing the bet amount would decrease the probability of hitting 100x. It should ideally stay the same whether or not the bet amount is changed.

2. Even if you have played the 100 bets its not absolutely mandatory that you would hit 100x in 100 bets. Its just a probability. You can also not hit 100x and then hit 100x twice in the next 10 bets.

Anything is possible.

Whether you played provably fair games or live casino, you'll end up with the same outcome, be it traditional or online casino. Always remember, the house always wins. So, don't expect too high when you play. That's why they are saying only play what you can afford to lose. The gambling industry won't grow like we had today if players always win.

Your expectation won't always be going to happened so you better stay away from casinos if you are trying to make a fortune or try sports betting. Your winning will depend on the team/athlete, etc. That way, the house/system doesn't have any control like what you're believing.

i almost never check fair play at casino i know playing casino depends on luck maybe you play not at your lucky time logically also casino also want money and will not give free money to all their gamblers , after all game is fair is just a slogan

To be honest, I can really relate to OP's experience or should I call it experiment, ive played dice, played keno and some games as such, and they all tend to follow the same pattern, and the pattern is exactly as OP described it.
I will have some loss streaks and after some time, I will start winning, and after a winning streak of 5 or 6 times, another long loss streak will hit and wipe out all the profit I made in the initial winning streaks, and sometimes, this loss streak continues until my bankroll is completely burnt out.
Ive sometimes wondered why it has to be so if the game was indeed provably fair? it seems to know when a gambler is winning and when a gambler is loosing, it finds a way to give you some winnings to encourage you to keep playing, while little by little, you will be losing until your whole money is gone.

If you really understand the meaning of provably fair, then you should realise that it just a game that you can have evidence of losses or wins of and of which the outcomes can be proved.
When a game is provably fair, it means that an online casino can’t cheat a player because the outcome of the game is provable, transparent and verifiable.


https://www.igaminggroup.com/blockgaming/provably-fair-games/#:~:text=It%20means%20that%20an%20online,is%20provable%2C%20transparent%20and%20verifiable.

If casino games gave a constant gain for the gambler, then the casino would go bankrupt. After all, gamblers would only play this game and they would rob the casino.
All games are the same and the winning percentage for the games is about the same. The name "provably fair games" is just a marketing ploy. Marketers have made it so that the gambler believes in his winnings.

If it wasnt that fair then lots of people wont be touching up these platforms or sites.They wont really be that ending up to be popular or known if they arent that being honest.It is really just that part of reality

that house do always win in the end and this is where people do most commonly tell that they had been cheated or the site wasnt fair just because they have lost their bankroll
for some time.Its true though that other games cant really be personally be verified but they cant just run a business that would really be just giving out easy profits into its players.

you are not understanding, let me try again
see,
I am at a losing streak of 10 on 2x odds ,ok.
In offline casino the dealer nothing can do if we double triple our money after a losing streak he need to always pay our winning amount  ,
but in online games and also provably fair games
when we double or increase our bet the server determines by client seed that we increased our bet then the server will send server seed by low odds,

totally I am saying that we cannot win at initial try win but very less people win on first or starting try
More we wager the client seed goes to server that the player is losed to many times with very less nonce,
then the server send high odd seed , to make you win once or 2 3 times
all works 3 client seed server seed nonce works together , to make you 50-50 or anything the server decide ,

when we win on day 1 , it will take the winning amount from your next day of playing ,
and then your emotions works to make you lose

I believe there are many fraudulent sites, but I trust the ones that have the most reputation and have been around for years.
I doubt these sites would risk their reputation and years of work by robbing some players.
All casinos already make a lot of money just by having the odds of winning increased for the house and decreased for the player. So they don't need to steal.
Just do a good job and grow your trust and user base more and more.

But, what has already been said here and which I fully agree:
There should be a single standard for verifying bets that is publicly simpler to verify.
It would be great if there was some external platform, neutral to the websites, where it was possible to check all the bets by a simple method, be it an API or copy and paste historical game plays.

You don't lose because games aren't provably fair, you lose because there is a house edge, a casino's advantage over gamblers, which stays around 1%-2%. You can move yourself to live casinos, but it doesn't mean you are going to profit there, and actually, since games from live casinos aren't provably fair, it's much more likely to be cheated when playing there.

Well, that is still a possibility when gambling. I've already played with 50% winning chance and lost, so I raised it to 60%, 70%, 80% and still lost in a row. But there is nothing wrong with this, as we aren't playing with 100% winning chance...

It seems to me that today few people are interested in providing the facts of fair play in casinos because they do not want to spend time on it.

Personally, I have never checked how fair the game is and I gamble on trust in the casino. If I were to sit and check the honesty of the game, it would be more of a detective's game than a gambling game for fun.

Do you know a better alternative?

I agree that the current system is confusing, especially to new users. The verification also takes time. Nobody is going to do that during a fast-paced game like dice where you click and get an instant result but provably fair has become an industry standard. Nowadays when you don't use it you look suspicious.

How did that work out for you? Did your luck turn 180 degrees?

Exactly. Anyone with half a mind to know more about how these games work will bring it to themselves to research about what makes these games provably fair but for the majority, that is not the case. If a movement that allows less experienced players to be informed of what part of the game makes it provably fair and why, I think it will do the industry a big solid. Then again casinos also earn cash from belligerent users so this is a farfetched dream. Point taken. Streaks mean nothing for a game that is randomized, although honestly true random doesn't exist in this world. I do get OP's sentiments but it mostly comes from a lack of information, he just knows something is wrong and being a gambler who lost a lot of money on these provably fair games, he'd of course blame it on the house.

Client seed changed, will change client seed

about your KENO example, it's something casual if you win or not after some games.
statistically these games have some probability (called also RTP and so on).
in the long terms you will see this probability. if you take a small range of your bets this can't count.

please note this is the basis of "sampling""statistical sampling".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_(statistics)
if you're missing such kind of argument trust me it's completely a waste of time continue this discussion.

Like spinning a coin, you can hit 100 times head...!!!
but if you play around "infinite" game the number of head and tails will be around the same (50%)!

This is a problem with a lot of "provably fair" games I see.  A lot of the time the instructions of how to prove that it's fair are so confusing that people either can't determine whether it's provably fair or not, or they just take the casino's word for it.  I think maybe the casinos need to get together and come up with some standards so that provably fair games can easily be determined as provably fair without too much mental strain.  It would also be great if players voted with their money that provably fair games are what they want to play when it comes time for them to gamble.

In fact, if we play on the most trusted and most popular casino sites, all the games are the same, there's no such thing as fair or unfair.
If Tita says it's fair, it's because we won and the dealer lost, was that fair for the dealer, and conversely, we can say it's unfair, if we lose and the dealer wins, is that fair for those of us who only bet and play.
So my personal response to the question you made is that all games are the same.
Fair or unfair depends on our own mindset not about the problem of the game or even the casino site.
Except if we play at a casino which is indeed a scam and fraud often occurs in it, then it can be said that it is unfair. However, the fault is not entirely with the casino or the players, but we are also wrong for choosing to play at a casino that cannot be relied on and trusted.

I experimented many times ,
Changing client seed will reset everything ,

and

Let , I am playing keno , you can experiment this,
ok , so game is provably fair ,  
I selected 10 keno number and I faced a long losing streak of 20 then It will always hit when by bet is initial amount or less than initial when i started playing keno
After long losing streak of 20 When i incresed the bet by only a few percent I will continue losing streak
I don't know this assumptiom is right or not
But i experimented 6 months
If you don't believe you can experiment i guarantee you will also face this type of fairness

this can be changed by players!

no absolutely.
you can hit x100 also after 2000 games or maybe 3000. and it would be pretty fine.
These statistics should be seen as "infinite". It means that maybe the ratio (more or less) of win x100 could be seen after 1milion of bet. Meanwhile, on the contrary, you can have also a better outcome.
It's just an indicator of the real odds... Anyway remember there is always RTP /House edge, so a slight percentage is always on favor of casino/house.

the same apply here. the stake/amount you're using doesn't change the probability outcome.

No. you can change even at each roll your seed (client seed)... your is a complete bad assumption
Because 1 seed is not communicating anything, 2 you can always change your seed after each game and verify the previous game.

I am playing provably fair games for 1 year on sites like stake , bc game etc,
How provably fair games works :
Serverseed: this is provided by the casino itself;
Clientseed: this is provided by the browser you’re playing on;
Nonce: with each new hand, this variable increases by one so you can keep track of which hand is which by the end of the session.
Before you start you will get a hash of the serverseed, which is encrypted. This hash contains the entire game you’re about to play, so the casino cannot change it no matter what. Also, because it comes to you in an encrypted code, you yourself cannot calculate any results for the hands you’re about to play.

So you noticed something: in these type of games our client seed also used,
people think that provably fair means everything is random , but no ,random in numbers but not in streaks
Many people play to capture 100x 1000x , if we play on a fixed bet amount the probability is it will hit 100x in 100spins or more or less but around 100 spins when played on a fixed bet

and assume you started betting on a fixed bet and you completed 80 bets to capture 100x ,  it's obvious it will hit in next 40 or less spins
but when you increase your bet even 1 % of your previous bet , then it will take another 100 spins to hit 100x

Means capturing 100x is easy when played on a fixed bet amount
and in constantly changing bet amount, is hard to capture 100x it can take upto 200 300 spins

the algorithm count our nonce and use client seed to determine this player is winning or losing when player is losing then the client seed also sent to server that this player is losing so you will definetly win 2, 3 times in a row.

after winning. client seed tell to server that this player is winning then you will notice you are losing more  then previous games after winning sometimes
This is my experience from these games i know I am bad to teach but i tested many times .

you will always lose when you play provably fair games too long

I played provably fair games 1 year and i mostly losed so i am moving to live casino

My english is bad and it's hard for me to make you understand ,