Topic: ProvablyFair.me | Bet Verifiers | Fair gambling 🎲 🏆🍀 (Read 716 times)

I feel something is missing in the stake site review section. Because I am one of the players on the site, so I feel there are some deposit methods that are not added, such as usdt, bnb, and usdc. I think this needs to be added, because these coins or tokens are quite famous.

The review : https://www.provablyfair.me/casino/stake-verifier/

Hi there

Would you be interested in reviewing TrustDice? We are a provably fair crypto casino with provably fair games like Bitcoin Crash and Dice. You can verify each bet you make by yourself.

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Exactly, when it comes to online relations and especially with the money involved, you should not trust anyone. As far as the casinos go, you should always verify your bets no matter if you win or lose.

Fair point, casinos can so to say "annoy you" with a lot of stuff but especially with the time taken to process your withdrawals etc.

Our main focus is fairness in gambling, do not get us wrong, we take many factors into consideration like if the casino is trustworthy, how long they are operating, previous reviews, complaints etc. Absolutely everything. But the main focus in fairness of their provably fair games.

Not all gamblers care of provably fair or do their checks on provably fair of casino games. Not all crypto users know about non custodial wallets or know how to check transaction txhash. It is hilarious but it is fact. Many people do many transactions but they are panic when they don't receive coins in wallets and when they request support, they don't know what is txhash and how to get it for details of support ticket.

By the looks of it we could some of them probably fair lol . Joke aside I have to say that there are so many methods that casinos scam people that provably fair became a lot less important part of it. You deposit your money there and until you withdraw it there is a chance that they could scam you.

There are ones that scam everyone and close shop and keep all the deposited money when it reaches a certain level, there are ones that block certain accounts with certain amounts in them (not cents but not huge amount, just middle) and there are many other methods that casinos scam people even while having provably fair gambling option. So it really became not the most important thing if you ask me.

Thanks for correcting it as by mistake it was typed but if we solely rely on the house then it's our fault and that's why bets need to be verified on our end also to know the outcome were random not pre-determined as security of funds is involved in it.

This is true for everything in our life. Everything is fair, until else.
As for me - i test online casino with small money. Deposit small, bet small, withdraw small. If everything ok - i add some more money.
And 1 more rule: when i bet - i forget this money.

Was that a calculator you have on your website for each gambling site? Actually that was a good feature maybe I could check the fairness of my game and double checked it through your website. I also think that you might need to update your website since I see that there's still a yolodice in your list, I know that it's a good and fair website but they closed their website just recently.

It's provably fair, not probably fair.

Online casinos and casinos that accept cryptocurrencies have to provide provably fair gambling and they have to write tutorial on how to verify provably fair on their casinos.

You can not trust them, verify on your side.

Those are some of the secondary steps that a casino could take to fool you and scam your out of your own money but main priority for gamblers is that casino games should be probably fair and you can verify your bets with it as it provides some sort of guarantee that house is not cheating in any manner and result were random.But still there could be problematic situation after that like change in probably fair script or bugs that can cause breach.But most casino now prefer to have them as players want them.

Congratulations for the initiative of creating a site related to gambling sites' transparency. I know you are just starting with this idea right now, but I think you could add your personal experience with each casino on your site as well. So besides the probably fair verifier, you would also offer your personal review about each gambling platform, what in my opinion is necessary to corroborate the number of starts you give them.
And maybe it would be interesting to contact casinos too, instead of waiting to be contacted by them. I see there are many more to add yet. Good luck with your website, I hope it succeeds.

Yeah, we apologize for that.

BC-game verifier is yet to be added and there are quite a bit small stuff that need to be improved as well.

Good job for launching this OP.

However, my observation is that some of the links are actually broken.

Take for example this: https://www.provablyfair.me/casino/bc-game.

Don't think that there is anything loading for me when it comes to the provably fair verifier. Could you take a look?

We believe that everything is simple if you decide to use our verifiers but we can consider adding some guides if you guys think it's necessary. To be honest, we didn't have any complaints or questions on how to use verifiers.

To be honest that's not a bad idea but if we do that, our site will look more like a forum. We are working on adding Alerts section (like mentioned in the 2nd post) and hopefully, that will be useful for all of us. 

That is why sites like this one provablyfair.me are great because you can use it to verify your bets and its very simple compared to coding you would need to do to verify on your own.

OP you could create an area on your site just to talk about the dangers of scam casinos and mention scam casinos, this can bring more legitimacy to your site as you will not only be posting proven fair casinos but also alerting people whenever some casino becomes a scam, it is important that people know which casinos are scam so they don't use scam casinos.

afaik its not that hard to verify . you can just copy and paste the characters that you see and the results will show if its fair or not  .
sites like this one can also be more user friendly and perfect for newbies to use if they having a hard time to use the verfiier on the gambling site that they are using .

@TimeTeller i guess sportsbetting doesnt need a verifier at all because the results are not held by a gambling site alone  .

Because they are not developers, coders and don't learn to verify the provably fairness of casino. However having the provably fair for a casino is a condition to bring more trust for one casino.

It is a similar condition like open source code. Not all of us can test open source code but experts can and if they test and did not find harmful threats, suspicious things, we can believe in community verification. There are casino reviews and provably fair verifiers, if they and community don't detect cheat from casinos, I think those casinos can be considered to use.

It is better if you learn to use verifier and do verify by yourself.

To be honest, we are not sure what do you mean by that. Can you please try to explain in more detail? Betting on sports is to say "fair" by itself. Yes, you can probably find that some sport matches were rigged in the past and to be honest there is really nothing that we or anybody else could do to change the fact that some minor leagues are getting rigged.

Do not get us wrong, we are not saying that some minor leagues are getting rigged but we are also not saying that they aren't. There's simply no proof that can prove one or the other.

But sport (any sport) like activity promotes fair play and that's why we say that betting on sports is "fair".

I agree, I'll make myself as an example, I've been playing in online casino for more than a year and I never had used any bet verifiers, but I do know that these programs are existing. I never used since I just trusted those gambling platforms where I am playing. And just like me, I know a lot of gamblers out there didn't used these programs even once.

Most gamblers don't check the provable fairness of their games especially if they are playing on a reputable site.
It is like we already trust them enough regarding this important feature. But it is still best if you check this from time to time.
Just to make sure everything is in place. And this kind of service is great as they can make our jobs much easier.
On another note, I was surprised, they don't have the sportsbet verifier yet, which is actually the go-to of a lot of sportsbettors here.

That is true unfortunately. We dont think that even 1% of our players will verify their bets, which is not good.

We rly do support projects like this. I might go as far as waring their signature if they have one to promote provably fairness. Hehe.

If we compare the result between we win or the casino win, surely the casino will take the biggest money because they can get it from many gamblers while if we win, we only get a small part from them. Besides that, many gamblers will play gambling every day in various gambling games, so the casino's chance to win big money will be wide open. Well, one or more gamblers can win a lot of money but that will happen many times as most gamblers will lose their money.

Excellent initiative.

I think that people these days generally tend to take what outcomes they get as granted, but you're still responsible for verifying your rolls.

Otherwise what's the point of provably fair? If you are actually obsessed with fairness then you should definitely verify every roll that you do (especially the ones that cost you >$100).

It is true that most of the result when we gamble is always lose. Only fool will think that the win are more than lose. Not all gamblers are gambling just for a chance to win big time as some gamblers are looking for fun, excitement, thrill and more. Well yeah, at least the site is fair so those who are looking for fun won't be a problem.

To be completely honest, we are rating sites based on our personal experience while we test that certain site. Our prime focus is on provably fair system and on their provably fair games but of course, we are also testing other stuff that are useful for players (deposits/ withdrawals/ API etc.).

Sites usually contact us at our official email which you can find on our site under "Contact us" section.

Thank you for your feedback. Like mentioned earlier in one of the posts, we are aware of that and we will update the whole site asap.


Of course, you can lose even on a provably fair site, everything depends on your luck but at least you will know that your bets are not being manipulated.

You should gamble only for fun, gamble with what you can afford to lose. NEVER gamble to try to earn money. Every game has a house edge and that's the advantage of a casino over you.
We will do our best to keep the site updated and get more reviews and verifiers. Hopefully, more sites as well. 
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Do we have a truly probably fair system without the full integration of such in the blockchain most of the sites that offer probably fair games most time games can’t be verified on the blockchain, so we anticipate a verifiable probably fair system where the player can use the game harsh to see how the outcome of result goes on the blockchain? I hope this site will achieve that.

Indeed. As much as possible before playing on any online casino, make sure that the games they offer are probably fair so you won't have your chance of winning be lessen as those games that aren't probably fair can be really "unfair" to you as a costumer.

I will monitor this thread to know when the site is fully launched and operational, having a probably fair system is not just by promises but being able to have a blockchain base probably the fair system that will be verifiable using the game harsh will give you an edge over other sites in the gambling industry.

Fairness is something that is important for every gambler, it may not increase the chance of winning but at least you have a confident that you are playing on a good site. Yes, there's a lot of dishonest gambling site that put gamblers on a bigger risk, fortunately there's a good gambling site reviews site available to read any time just go on a trusted site. This can be a good one, I'm also hoping for their consistency on giving good reviews.

That's not my point thoguh, yes it's helpful that there's a site that helps you with insuring that the gambling site your visiting is a fair one but my point which didn't get through your head in my previous post is that even if they know it's fair, it's the same thing, they will still lose more.

If there is a report on whether a gambling site is fair or not, then it is definitely a good way. Many times gamblers get wrong information and go to various unfair gambling websites to play and lose their money. Yes, gamblers also lose money on the fair gambling website but that is after playing the game fairly. I hope this website will help gamblers to choose the right gambling website. Let's see how they continue their activities in the coming days.

Even if we know that the gambling site is fair, it won't affect the fact that we still lose more in those sites than win. But it's not that useless of an addition, at the least we know that the sites we're playing in are fair, right?

Welcome to the forum.

I like the design of the site. It is clean, free from ads and has a fast loading.

I only hope you can manage your site and still add more sites in the future or do other reviews from other gambling sites. You need to promote your site through your social media so hopefully, you can get more followers and, of course, more members who will read your reviews and play gambling from the links on your site.

I guess you started to make this provably fair verifier website since long time ago as you still include Yolodice.
Yolodice is not operating anymore as they decided to close down since March this year, so better to remove it from your verifier website.
The other "a bit" out of date information is related to the number of games in some casinos.
In your website, Stake has 14 provably fair games and Bitsler has 5 games, in fact there are 16 provably fair games in both sites.

How do you take the review from the casino 5, 4, 3 stars?, I can't also click T&C Apply for every casino on site. I just want to know how to rate the list.

your social media (Telegram) only have 10 subscribers, maybe you need to do more teamwork to growing up everything.

So what do they need when casinos want to list on your Provably Fair? have they need to contact your marketing place or are you searching it manually only when they have a probably fair system?.

I like the concept of the website and the service you are offering is really useful as we need independent verifiers to verify the fairness of the games.
However I have few suggestions if you don't mind:
- let visitors post their reviews and rate casinos based on their own experiences to add more transparency to your website.
- add the code for each game verifier and an explanation on how the outcome is calculated.
- add a guide on how to get the server seed, user seed and nonce for each game.
All the best with your project and I hope there will be more casinos and games listed on your website.

I don't see any possible partnership here too, they are more like competition!

Just checked the site, looks nice but I guess there's a lot more to be done! Except for some basic details and overall rating, there's not much about casinos... I was interested to see available bonuses, and except for Stake, one for CryptoGames, and for Primedice there are no other casinos! Just from what I know this page should have a lot more casinos included!

Well, this is only the beginning of this site, so I wish you luck with it and I hope you will add a lot more in the future, and of course, I hope you will keep it updated! That can be hard knowing the crypto gambling scene!

You are right, we don't need a partnership with that platform. And yes, we do use affiliate commission to fund our project but our goal is much bigger than that. Like we've mentioned it several times, we just want fair gambling and the community that values provably fair gambling. With that, we truly believe that we can achieve higher goals like push more and more providers to work on provably fair games.

Welcome to bitcointalk forum. Anyway, I haven't been able to gamble for quite some time but knowing that there is a verifier that you can use to determine the fairness of the gambling site helps you to know if it is fair or not. In my opinion, this is mucu useful for those who gamble decent amount of money and those who want to provide a review of different casinos and sportsbooks.

^ What could be a possible partnership if there is?
They had the same line of business and I think there is no need to have a partnership. Both projects have probably a different provably fair verifier tool that they use, but one thing they are aiming the same, earning through affiliation. As long as they are reliable sources of reviews that could help to a newcomers of gambling activity will be so much helpful.

Provably Fair Verifiers are important tools for gamblers. BTCGosu is a good casino review website.

You can contact @efialtis and BTCGosu team for partnership. provably fair verifier tool on their website.

I really like this site.

I think that it is important for anyone that is gambling with a decent amount of money to verify each and every bet that they do as soon as they make the bet. A lot of the times people don't take advantage of this.

There are actually sites such as 999dice that have dubious claims re: provably fair. So it's definitely not something that is just theoretical.

Like mentioned before, we will be working on the whole new look. It's on our to do list for some time now. 


Thank you for your kind words. That's definitely one of our goals as well, even if a casino is new, they have a chance to be featured on our site. Depending on their service of course.

Welcome to the forum,

I like their selection of casinos, although there are some that I do not really know and my curiosity bee has stung me, however the project does represent the future and I think they have everything required to succeed, there are many casinos that are just starting and that they can easily be your clients, if they offer a good service and if they have already had some experience it would be excellent if they could also show much more to have exposure

You got the point though but it would be better if you do at least make out some differences because people on this community is really a bit keen nor minding off about templates,designs and UI
and if they do find out something similar then it do end up on being an issue.So its not bad to have some bit changes towards it but if not then its up to your choice.
Im bit impressed on sites been listed which i do recognize all of them.

We understand what you're trying to say but just because we are using the same theme, that doesn't mean that we are identical. They promote casinos with bonuses, free spins, faucet bonuses and how to start gambling with Bitcoin. Their prime focus is on that while we, on the other hand, promote fairness and that's the huge difference between our platforms.

On that note, as we expand, we will do our best to make the whole site from scratch. We've planned that for quite some time now but never got the time to actually do it.

https://www.provablyfair.me/


https://www.bitcasinorank.com/

Both of this websites are using identical template or theme, and only a blind man could not see that.
I am not claiming that owners are same, I just asked a question, but menus, search box, footer and website structures are identical, it's easy to see this.
You are both using same Mercury Casino Affiliate WordPress Theme by space-themes:
https://space-themes.com/item/mercury/

All valid points, but a 5 star basically means that they are perfect which isn't right since there are some cons associated with Stake. Their user interface lags a lot(Casino and Sportsbook sections) and their fees aren't the best in the crypto gambling world.

I agree with all the pros that you mentioned in their favour though. They transformed the crypto gambling world in several ways. This is why they deserve a 4 and a half star rating as I mentioned in my previous post.

Great to see your quick responses to all the feedback in this thread. Good stuff op!

You guys are amazing. Thank you all for your feedback, we truly appreciate that.

We want to apologize in advance for the long post as we want to reply to as many posts as possible. 


Yes, those verifiers were added when only those games were available. No worries, more verifiers coming soon. 


No, we are not affiliated with any other site and we are not familiar with the mention platform. To be honest, we are not sure how our sites are identical 

Yes, you are right and there's really no excuse for not updating our site for some time except that we are working on more verifiers and like mentioned earlier "Alerts" which will be a huge addition not only to our site but to the whole crypto gambling community.

As far as Stake.com goes, we think that it is the best site out there and we took everything in account. They have more provably fair games than any other site, best promotions and an awesome sportsbook. But once again, the most important thing are those Stake originals which are provably fair games. Not to mention the design, animation and a low house edge which are also important.

Yes, they had some issues like DDoS attacks but that's nothing compared to the other sites that take ages to process withdrawals for instance.

Yes, we couldn't agree more. Gambling should be just for fun and you should definitely stop when the fun stops. We understand that there are a lot of people that don't care about fairness in gambling and that's why we are here, to promote provably fair gambling and why it is important.

While we want to have fun, we also do not want our bets manipulated, right. 

Bustabit and Bustadice are there of course, we have verifiers for them. They are just not on the leaderboard because they each have 1 game only and there are better (1 game) sites out there.


To be honest, that's one of many reasons why you guys are at the top, because you've supported our platform as a third- party verifier. By doing that, you showed that you guys have nothing to hide and that you are open towards provably fair gambling. As far as we know from our players, your support team even refers players towards our verifiers.

Thank you, we will be looking to add something like that as well. 

Checked your site out and liked the design and the ANN presentation. I recognised majority of the sites which is a plus point. I don't usually verify my bets, but I might verify my bets more often through this tool in the future.

The reviews are alright, but could have been more detailed(Fees, Pros and Cons etc) in my opinion. Also, Stake deserves a 4 and a 1/2 rating max.

Yeah its pretty obvious why stake has 5 stars haha, because its the best!

Joking aside, us deciding to feature this third party website on stake probably had some effect on the rating. Im not sure how much but we are for sure pusing some traffic their way atleast from people wanting to verify their bets which unfortunately its not huge percent of people.

We would like more and more people to want to verify their bets and learn what provably fair means and eventually even stop playing on any game that is not provably fair. I believe all casinos and all games should be provably fair eventually.

that explains a lot. I am not disproving stake.com's fairness nor saying that the website should not be trusted but, after knowing this, I feel like this cleared up why stake.com has a 5-star rating on the website. that being said, I might be wrong about my assumption though.

It is also what I've noticed that they have to update the list and saw yolodice on it. Another one is with onehash, it's just the quick description at the middle of the list about that they're no longer a sportsbook. I think it's been so long that they've turned into a casino with various games and no longer a sportsbook and mutual betting site.

This site is amazing for verifying bets. We feature it on stake.com for a while now as the best verifier out there.

Hopefully it will bring provably fairness closer to as many people as possible.

^ That is right, it needs to update the site because there is Yolodice which is it was officially close about months ago.
I also being curious why Stake.com is on the top, what is category OP used as the best provably fair game, and why the Bustabit and Bustadice were not there since as far as I know they had a provably fair system which is very fair to the users. However, the website is useful but I think it has lacked information, there are too many gambling casinos here that has provably fair and I hope the rating is not about the self-rate made by the OP.

Just visited your site, and only a few casinos are listed there, regarding the rating given, is it just based on probably fair at the casino or there is something else? because there is no information that makes the casino get a good, medium or bad rating.
We know that all gambling review sites have very subjective assessments, so when one casino gets a good rating here it will not be the same in other places.

I assume that this is yet another crypto gambling review website with the added feature of verifying bets.
I like the website design.It looks clean and fresh.It would be nice if you add more casinos to the list.
To honest,I've never really cared about the fairness of the gambling games.A crypto casino can still scam it's customers,even if the games are "probably fair",like having blocked withdrawals,accounts banned for no reason,"hacked" accounts,problems with the website,while the players are placing their bets,etc.
Gambling is just for fun,not for making money.
Anyway,good luck with this project,OP.

you might want to update the list of gambling sites on your website. I still see YOLOdice on your list. YOLOdice has been closed for six months now, you can check their ANN for more details 🔶 YOLOdice.com 🔶 suspended on 16st Mar 2021. also, I am always, doubtful of a 5-star rating. a 5-star rating would mean that the gambling site is flawless, which stake.com is not. just so we're clear, I am not hating on stake.com

I observed the same thing which i do like and this isnt something that common guide sites that listing out unknown casinos on this market but this one give out those known and current best ones which
it did really give out some different impression.Good job OP!

What I like about their site is they are providing the verifier links of most popular casinos that can be found on the forum. So for those players who are conscious about the fairness of their game, they can always use their link and input their details to check if the site is provably fair or not. Hoping to see more on this list.

That's a good way to start to introduce your project, a copper account a well-designed announcement thread, and actively participating in the discussion.

 

We'll let's see if you can keep it up monitoring gambling sites for abuse, checking every page on your site I cannot see reviews of the gambling sites listed, just the usual star rating, gamblers want honest and fair reviews, every link leads to the homepage of the gambling site I think you need to consider reviews, not just rating.

Is your website affiliated in any way with other similar looking betting websites?
I saw one identical looking website bitcasinorank that was talking about provably fair casinos and there is active topic in bitcoin talk forum:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcasinorankcom-reviews-and-ranking-of-crypto-casinos-5320726
https://www.bitcasinorank.com/

User interface is nice, it's easy to find anything on this website but there are some things that I want to suggest you:
1. It's a little bit hard to understand where do I have to enter the seed hash and hash (in Bitsler's case). Bitsler has two server seed, one is hashed and another one - revealed. That's at least on old bets.
2. Officially, Bitsler has Provably fair verifier on Boom, Dice, Dicey 7's, Blast, Cara Y Cruz, Multicolor, Roulette, Twist, Fruitsler Slots, Crypto Thugs, Blackjack, Baccarat, Hilo, Plinko, Keno, Flash Roulette, Chest and Hourly Lottery.
But on your website, I can only see Dice, Cara Y Cruz, Multicolor and Roulette.

Coming soon:

"Alerts": In a huge gambling industry where there are a lot of non-provably fair providers and games, there is also a lot of abuse of those games. By cooperation with multiple different gambling platforms and game providers, we will be among the first ones to know if/ when a certain game gets abused.

By promoting provably-fairness, we want everything to be fair for players and also for a casino.