PSA for Newcomers: DOXXING IS AGAINST THE RULES!

Fwdxlsh

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Quote from: achow101 on November 24, 2015, 03:30:02 PM

Quote from: Fwdxlsh on November 24, 2015, 03:27:51 PM

Obviously I won't do that, but when I don't post anything, and lets say my sister logs in and posts photos of me or my full name and the school I go to and where I work and so on, that is doxxing which is against ToS.

ToS of what? This forum doesn't have any ToS. If it does, please show it to everyone.

There's no ToS! But it goes without saying that doxxing is against Bitcoin in general.

If Bitcoin doesn't ask for your identity, why should you ask for another person's identity?

I'm right, and that's that.

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Quote from: Fwdxlsh on November 24, 2015, 03:27:51 PM

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when I don't post anything, and lets say my sister logs in and posts photos of me or my full name and the school I go to and where I work and so on, that is doxxing

Yep.

Quote from: Fwdxlsh on November 24, 2015, 03:27:51 PM

which is against ToS.

No.

Please take a close look at the Terms of Service (ToS). You'll see that there is nothing in there prohibiting DOX. If you can find anything prohibiting DOX, please point out exactly where in the ToS it states that DOX is not allowed.

achow101

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Quote from: Fwdxlsh on November 24, 2015, 03:27:51 PM

Obviously I won't do that, but when I don't post anything, and lets say my sister logs in and posts photos of me or my full name and the school I go to and where I work and so on, that is doxxing which is against ToS.

ToS of what? This forum doesn't have any ToS. If it does, please show it to everyone.

DannyHamilton

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Quote from: Fwdxlsh on November 24, 2015, 03:26:16 PM

"Some effort is required to protect your privacy with Bitcoin. All Bitcoin transactions are stored publicly and permanently on the network, which means anyone can see the balance and transactions of any Bitcoin address. However, the identity of the user behind an address remains unknown until information is revealed during a purchase or in other circumstances.This is one reason why Bitcoin addresses should only be used once".

In any other circumstances would mean revealing the actual identity BEHIND the bitcoin address, meaning doxxing.

It's like you didn't even read it. You read the part you wanted to read, then ignored the rest.

No. It's more like you aren't able to understand what you are reading.

That part that you highlighted in red means that "the identity of the user behind an address" can be revealed "in other circumstances".

That means that DOXing can reveal identity, jsut like making a purchase or anything else that fails to preserve anonymity.

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Quote from: Fwdxlsh on November 24, 2015, 03:26:16 PM

Quote from: Lutpin on November 24, 2015, 03:20:20 PM

Quote from: Fwdxlsh on November 24, 2015, 03:13:09 PM

Bitcoin is anonymous. Let's keep it that way.

"Bitcoin is not anonymous" - Bitcoin.org [You need to know]

Oh yeah, I'm calling bullshit on the whole thread.

"Some effort is required to protect your privacy with Bitcoin. All Bitcoin transactions are stored publicly and permanently on the network, which means anyone can see the balance and transactions of any Bitcoin address. However, the identity of the user behind an address remains unknown until information is revealed during a purchase or in other circumstances.This is one reason why Bitcoin addresses should only be used once".

In any other circumstances would mean revealing the actual identity BEHIND the bitcoin address, meaning doxxing.

No it does not mean doxxing. Other circumstances can mean many many different things. It could be voluntarily giving away your information, it could be doxxing, but doxxing is just compiling publicly available information into one location. If you can be doxxed, then your identity is already revealed BEFORE you were doxxed. It is another matter if hacking was involved.

Fwdxlsh

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Quote from: shorena on November 24, 2015, 03:25:29 PM

Quote from: Fwdxlsh on November 24, 2015, 03:20:59 PM

Quote from: RodeoX on November 24, 2015, 03:15:23 PM

I don't know what you mean that it is against the rules here? It (DOXING) does not even have a specific meaning. It may be done for stupid or mean reasons, but i see no rule against it.

Let me explain:

[ size=enraged]Bitcoin is a pseudo-anonymous cryptocurrency. It does not need you to reveal your identity in order to send money unless you transfer your Bitcoins into USD or other currencies that need your identity to proceed. Bitcoin is dedicated to protecting the identity of whomever uses it.

Might as well call this site PaypalTalk, since PayPal needs your first and last name, along with your bank details and home address. Bitcoin doesn't need any of that.

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Shout all you want, its not going to change the rules. If you dont want to get doxed, dont give someone the incentive to gather all your publicly available information. Even better, dont have publicly available information.

Obviously I won't do that, but when I don't post anything, and lets say my sister logs in and posts photos of me or my full name and the school I go to and where I work and so on, that is doxxing which is against ToS.

DannyHamilton

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Quote from: Fwdxlsh on November 24, 2015, 03:20:59 PM

Bitcoin is a pseudo-anonymous cryptocurrency. It does not need you to reveal your identity in order to send money unless you transfer your Bitcoins into USD or other currencies that need your identity to proceed.

It does not require you to, but is doesn't stop you from doing so either. It is a tool that can be used to preserve anonymity if you choose to use it in such a way, but it is your responsibility to preserve your own anonymity, you can't expect anyone else (not even a website or cryptocurrency protocol) to preserve it for you.

Quote from: Fwdxlsh on November 24, 2015, 03:20:59 PM

Bitcoin is dedicated to protecting the identity of whomever uses it.

No, it isn't. It is a protocol dedicated to providing a decentralized method for trustless transfer of control over value.

Quote from: Fwdxlsh on November 24, 2015, 03:20:59 PM

Might as well call this site PaypalTalk, since PayPal needs your first and last name, along with your bank details and home address.

Now you aren't making any sense at all. Are you incapable of seeing the difference between "required" to provide identifying information and "allowed" to provide identifying information?

Quote from: Fwdxlsh on November 24, 2015, 03:20:59 PM

Bitcoin doesn't need any of that.

Need it? No.

Allows it? Absolutely.

Fwdxlsh

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Quote from: Lutpin on November 24, 2015, 03:20:20 PM

Quote from: Fwdxlsh on November 24, 2015, 03:13:09 PM

Bitcoin is anonymous. Let's keep it that way.

"Bitcoin is not anonymous" - Bitcoin.org [You need to know]

Oh yeah, I'm calling bullshit on the whole thread.

"Some effort is required to protect your privacy with Bitcoin. All Bitcoin transactions are stored publicly and permanently on the network, which means anyone can see the balance and transactions of any Bitcoin address. However, the identity of the user behind an address remains unknown until information is revealed during a purchase or in other circumstances.This is one reason why Bitcoin addresses should only be used once".

In any other circumstances would mean revealing the actual identity BEHIND the bitcoin address, meaning doxxing.

It's like you didn't even read it. You read the part you wanted to read, then ignored the rest.

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Quote from: Fwdxlsh on November 24, 2015, 03:20:59 PM

Quote from: RodeoX on November 24, 2015, 03:15:23 PM

I don't know what you mean that it is against the rules here? It (DOXING) does not even have a specific meaning. It may be done for stupid or mean reasons, but i see no rule against it.

Let me explain:

[ size=enraged]Bitcoin is a pseudo-anonymous cryptocurrency. It does not need you to reveal your identity in order to send money unless you transfer your Bitcoins into USD or other currencies that need your identity to proceed. Bitcoin is dedicated to protecting the identity of whomever uses it.

Might as well call this site PaypalTalk, since PayPal needs your first and last name, along with your bank details and home address. Bitcoin doesn't need any of that.

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Shout all you want, its not going to change the rules. If you dont want to get doxed, dont give someone the incentive to gather all your publicly available information. Even better, dont have publicly available information.

Fwdxlsh

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Quote from: RodeoX on November 24, 2015, 03:15:23 PM

I don't know what you mean that it is against the rules here? It (DOXING) does not even have a specific meaning. It may be done for stupid or mean reasons, but i see no rule against it.

Let me explain:

Bitcoin is a pseudo-anonymous cryptocurrency. It does not need you to reveal your identity in order to send money unless you transfer your Bitcoins into USD or other currencies that need your identity to proceed. Bitcoin is dedicated to protecting the identity of whomever uses it.

Might as well call this site PaypalTalk, since PayPal needs your first and last name, along with your bank details and home address. Bitcoin doesn't need any of that.

Lutpin

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Goodbye, Z.

Quote from: Fwdxlsh on November 24, 2015, 03:13:09 PM

Bitcoin is anonymous. Let's keep it that way.

"Bitcoin is not anonymous" - Bitcoin.org [You need to know]

Oh yeah, I'm calling bullshit on the whole thread.

DannyHamilton

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Quote from: Fwdxlsh on November 24, 2015, 03:13:09 PM

You're lying to yourself.

You're welcome to believe that if you like. I won't try to convince you otherwise.

Quote from: Fwdxlsh on November 24, 2015, 03:13:09 PM

Bitcoin is pseudo-anonymous

It can be. Sure.

Quote from: Fwdxlsh on November 24, 2015, 03:13:09 PM

meaning that if moderators were to go against what Bitcoin stands for, then they would be banned.

Banned by whom? Banned from doing what?

Quote from: Fwdxlsh on November 24, 2015, 03:13:09 PM

Plus, this site is ran via VPN.

Theymos can run the site however he likes. It has no bearing on whether the site will allow DOX services to post or not.

Quote from: Fwdxlsh on November 24, 2015, 03:13:09 PM

Coincidence? I think not.

What coincidence?

Quote from: Fwdxlsh on November 24, 2015, 03:13:09 PM

Bitcoin is anonymous.

No. It isn't.

Quote from: Fwdxlsh on November 24, 2015, 03:13:09 PM

Let's keep it that way.

You are welcome to use bitcoin in ways that preserve your anonymity if you like, but nobody is required to do so.

achow101

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Nope, doxxing is allowed, from the stickied rules thread in meta made by a moderator

Quote from: mprep on July 21, 2014, 12:27:51 PM

Q: What about deleting DOXes?
A: Nope, we don't delete them either as long as they are on topic. Why? Because doxing is just compiling information about a user already available publicly, often via search engines.

Quote from: Fwdxlsh on November 24, 2015, 03:13:09 PM

Bitcoin is pseudo-anonymous, meaning that if moderators were to go against what Bitcoin stands for, then they would be banned.
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Bitcoin is anonymous. Let's keep it that way.

And why would mods be banned? They don't break any rules.

Besides, you literally just contradicted yourself. Bitcoin cannot be pseudonymous and anonymous at the same time.

Quote from: Fwdxlsh on November 24, 2015, 03:13:09 PM

Plus, this site is ran via VPN. Coincidence? I think not.

No its not, it is sponsored by a VPN business but it is not run via VPN.

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I don't know what you mean that it is against the rules here? It (DOXING) does not even have a specific meaning. It may be done for stupid or mean reasons, but i see no rule against it.

Fwdxlsh

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Quote from: DannyHamilton on November 24, 2015, 03:09:24 PM

I'm not aware of any rules on this forum against DOX.

It is up to the individual performing the DOX service to make sure they don't violate any laws, or to suffer the legal consequences if they do, but I doubt that you'll find any moderators here that will ban someone for performing a DOX service. I doubt you'll even find any moderators that are willing to remove posts offering DOX services unless those posts are not made in the wrong area.

You're lying to yourself.

Bitcoin is pseudo-anonymous, meaning that if moderators were to go against what Bitcoin stands for, then they would be banned.

Plus, this site is ran via VPN. Coincidence? I think not.

Bitcoin is anonymous. Let's keep it that way.

DannyHamilton

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I'm not aware of any rules on this forum against DOX.

It is up to the individual performing the DOX service to make sure they don't violate any laws, or to suffer the legal consequences if they do, but I doubt that you'll find any moderators here that will ban someone for performing a DOX service. I doubt you'll even find any moderators that are willing to remove posts offering DOX services unless those posts are not made in the wrong area.

Fwdxlsh

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Do I even need to explain why?

Newbies, if somebody tells you doxxing is allowed, they are LYING TO YOU. I don't care who tells you it is okay. If you are new and you are caught doing this, I will report you.

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