public record, case 13LA09619 won against BFL

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Quote from: joeventura on June 04, 2014, 02:52:06 PM

Quote from: Inaba on May 31, 2014, 08:53:10 AM

Quote from: Flying Hellfish on May 29, 2014, 09:32:02 PM

Quote from: joeventura on May 29, 2014, 01:23:24 PM

Josh/Inaba is gagged by their attorneys

He hasn't posted anything since April yet has logged on less than a week ago.

They probably don't want the hole to get any deeper when they can't control the conversation.

That little pussy is going to sing like a fucking canary when the shit actually hits the fan. Sonny fucked up by hiring the retard and paid the price while Josh helped dig that big fat hole. Now Sonny has to keep the useless sack of shit around for fear he will sing like the bitch he is if he's let go. Either way at some point bitch boy will not be able to keep the big boy pants on and is going to sell old Sonny down the fucking river. Going to be loads of fun, shits just warming up, be prepared to be shocked and amazed, I predict we aint seen nothing yet!!

The only pussy here is you, as in you are whining like a cat in heat. Whine some more for me, I like to read between the lines on how pathetic your life is.

Gagged by lawyers? Way to spread more lies, Joe! How many lies can you tell in one day? Lets find out... go! You wonder why I don't bother coming by here very often... heh. This place is the laughingstock of the hardware community. Nobody gives two shits about this place anymore and it's all thanks to people like you making the incredible shithole that it is.

Good luck and please carry on and see how much I give a shit about the trolls here!

Hehhehe someone has a hard time telling the difference between my "lies" and Bait.

Did anyone notice that Josh did not comment on the case being overturned.

Case...........CLOSED.

Not another word of discussion is necessary on this topic.

troll history : LOL figures...

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Quote from: Inaba on May 31, 2014, 08:53:10 AM

Quote from: Flying Hellfish on May 29, 2014, 09:32:02 PM

Quote from: joeventura on May 29, 2014, 01:23:24 PM

Josh/Inaba is gagged by their attorneys

He hasn't posted anything since April yet has logged on less than a week ago.

They probably don't want the hole to get any deeper when they can't control the conversation.

That little pussy is going to sing like a fucking canary when the shit actually hits the fan. Sonny fucked up by hiring the retard and paid the price while Josh helped dig that big fat hole. Now Sonny has to keep the useless sack of shit around for fear he will sing like the bitch he is if he's let go. Either way at some point bitch boy will not be able to keep the big boy pants on and is going to sell old Sonny down the fucking river. Going to be loads of fun, shits just warming up, be prepared to be shocked and amazed, I predict we aint seen nothing yet!!

The only pussy here is you, as in you are whining like a cat in heat. Whine some more for me, I like to read between the lines on how pathetic your life is.

Gagged by lawyers? Way to spread more lies, Joe! How many lies can you tell in one day? Lets find out... go! You wonder why I don't bother coming by here very often... heh. This place is the laughingstock of the hardware community. Nobody gives two shits about this place anymore and it's all thanks to people like you making the incredible shithole that it is.

Good luck and please carry on and see how much I give a shit about the trolls here!

Hehhehe someone has a hard time telling the difference between my "lies" and Bait.

Did anyone notice that Josh did not comment on the case being overturned.

Case...........CLOSED.

Not another word of discussion is necessary on this topic.

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Quote from: Inaba on May 31, 2014, 08:53:10 AM

Quote from: Flying Hellfish on May 29, 2014, 09:32:02 PM

Quote from: joeventura on May 29, 2014, 01:23:24 PM

Josh/Inaba is gagged by their attorneys

He hasn't posted anything since April yet has logged on less than a week ago.

They probably don't want the hole to get any deeper when they can't control the conversation.

That little pussy is going to sing like a fucking canary when the shit actually hits the fan. Sonny fucked up by hiring the retard and paid the price while Josh helped dig that big fat hole. Now Sonny has to keep the useless sack of shit around for fear he will sing like the bitch he is if he's let go. Either way at some point bitch boy will not be able to keep the big boy pants on and is going to sell old Sonny down the fucking river. Going to be loads of fun, shits just warming up, be prepared to be shocked and amazed, I predict we aint seen nothing yet!!

The only pussy here is you, as in you are whining like a cat in heat. Whine some more for me, I like to read between the lines on how pathetic your life is.

Gagged by lawyers? Way to spread more lies, Joe! How many lies can you tell in one day? Lets find out... go! You wonder why I don't bother coming by here very often... heh. This place is the laughingstock of the hardware community. Nobody gives two shits about this place anymore and it's all thanks to people like you making the incredible shithole that it is.

Good luck and please carry on and see how much I give a shit about the trolls here!

Ha! Looks like Josh is starting to peeeeeeer and LOVEs to mock the customers that made him rich! Oooooooh Josheee , One day God will rain down on your Peeeeering and make you seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee how deceptive and dark you realy aRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrre

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Don't forget the 2 months of burn in testing that already happened skye... and the next two months as well gotta make sure they work before BFL, in their own interpretation, "legally assigns" them an owner. That is right you pay but you have no rights to have miner until they "assign" you one even if they have them in stock imagine that boys and girls. Won't matter if they actually finish this "monarch" it is DOA on so many levels given the competition.

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Scott Fargo: That is an excellent timetable. With the faster specs will heat be more of a problem?‏

Guy: No‏, it’ll have the same package and thermal as the 2nd gen‏ but at a much higher hash-rate an much reduced cost

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It’s a design to compete and win in the 1,000 PH/s era (2015)‏ We want to be able to offer 0.2$/GHs solution to our customers with 0.1W/GHs. We are not there yet, but I’m confident in our team ability to achieve it‏ on 28nm.
‎Regarding Scrypt‏ it is too early to quote specs‏ just that, again, we’re aiming to be the market leader.

BFL too little too late

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Oh look, Josh is back. Still on track for that ~~November~~, ~~December~~, ~~January~~, ~~February~~, ~~March~~, ~~April~~, May delivery?

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Quote from: Flying Hellfish on May 29, 2014, 09:32:02 PM

Quote from: joeventura on May 29, 2014, 01:23:24 PM

Josh/Inaba is gagged by their attorneys

He hasn't posted anything since April yet has logged on less than a week ago.

They probably don't want the hole to get any deeper when they can't control the conversation.

That little pussy is going to sing like a fucking canary when the shit actually hits the fan. Sonny fucked up by hiring the retard and paid the price while Josh helped dig that big fat hole. Now Sonny has to keep the useless sack of shit around for fear he will sing like the bitch he is if he's let go. Either way at some point bitch boy will not be able to keep the big boy pants on and is going to sell old Sonny down the fucking river. Going to be loads of fun, shits just warming up, be prepared to be shocked and amazed, I predict we aint seen nothing yet!!

The only pussy here is you, as in you are whining like a cat in heat. Whine some more for me, I like to read between the lines on how pathetic your life is.

Gagged by lawyers? Way to spread more lies, Joe! How many lies can you tell in one day? Lets find out... go! You wonder why I don't bother coming by here very often... heh. This place is the laughingstock of the hardware community. Nobody gives two shits about this place anymore and it's all thanks to people like you making the incredible shithole that it is.

Good luck and please carry on and see how much I give a shit about the trolls here!

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on May 30, 2014, 04:31:43 AM

I'm glad to hear that Butterfly Labs is getting the Subpeona it truly deserves and that someone was able to win a legal case to keep them accountable for their failure to deliver units on time, and for all the tricks and deceptions they have done.
Get them.

I know what you feel,but come on,it's not like the buyers didn't know that this wasn't going to happen. Preorders means delay. Till the company makes a nice little profit off each unit,they won't sell it. And by the time that happens,the unit will be practically worthless.

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Quote from: TooDumbForBitcoin on May 31, 2014, 07:29:28 AM

Quote from: joeventura on May 29, 2014, 01:23:24 PM

Josh/Inaba is gagged by their attorneys

He hasn't posted anything since April yet has logged on less than a week ago.

They probably don't want the hole to get any deeper when they can't control the conversation.

1. Don't call Josh a hole.

2. If you want to see Josh in his day job, watch #7 play RF for the Cleveland Indians.

http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/baseball/mlb/players/60x80/486548.jpg

David Murphy?

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Quote from: joeventura on May 29, 2014, 01:23:24 PM

Josh/Inaba is gagged by their attorneys

He hasn't posted anything since April yet has logged on less than a week ago.

They probably don't want the hole to get any deeper when they can't control the conversation.

1. Don't call Josh a hole.

2. If you want to see Josh in his day job, watch #7 play RF for the Cleveland Indians.

http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/baseball/mlb/players/60x80/486548.jpg

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Quote from: Flying Hellfish on May 29, 2014, 09:32:02 PM

Quote from: joeventura on May 29, 2014, 01:23:24 PM

Josh/Inaba is gagged by their attorneys

He hasn't posted anything since April yet has logged on less than a week ago.

They probably don't want the hole to get any deeper when they can't control the conversation.

That little pussy is going to sing like a fucking canary when the shit actually hits the fan. Sonny fucked up by hiring the retard and paid the price while Josh helped dig that big fat hole. Now Sonny has to keep the useless sack of shit around for fear he will sing like the bitch he is if he's let go. Either way at some point bitch boy will not be able to keep the big boy pants on and is going to sell old Sonny down the fucking river. Going to be loads of fun, shits just warming up, be prepared to be shocked and amazed, I predict we aint seen nothing yet!!

Oh there is not enough popcorn to sit through everything that will happen courtside.

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Quote from: k9quaint on May 30, 2014, 04:15:10 AM

Quote from: Inaba on January 01, 2014, 01:55:04 AM

Should be an open and shut case to get this re-opened and dismissed.

Looks like it is taking BFL Two Weeks(TM) to get the case dismissed. Cheesy

Haha. Good one

They really deserve it. Hopefully the Monarch is the last and final product coming out of that company. If customers still go to them after the delays with the Monarch combined with Josh's attitude. The world cannot be saved.

There is already so much negative sentiment around this company

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I'm glad to hear that Butterfly Labs is getting the Subpeona it truly deserves and that someone was able to win a legal case to keep them accountable for their failure to deliver units on time, and for all the tricks and deceptions they have done.
Get them.

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Quote from: Inaba on January 01, 2014, 01:55:04 AM

Should be an open and shut case to get this re-opened and dismissed.

Looks like it is taking BFL Two Weeks(TM) to get the case dismissed. Cheesy

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Yes i am following this as well. It should be interesting. I am surprised they haven’t payed it off yet.

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Quote from: joeventura on May 29, 2014, 01:23:24 PM

Josh/Inaba is gagged by their attorneys

He hasn't posted anything since April yet has logged on less than a week ago.

They probably don't want the hole to get any deeper when they can't control the conversation.

That little pussy is going to sing like a fucking canary when the shit actually hits the fan. Sonny fucked up by hiring the retard and paid the price while Josh helped dig that big fat hole. Now Sonny has to keep the useless sack of shit around for fear he will sing like the bitch he is if he's let go. Either way at some point bitch boy will not be able to keep the big boy pants on and is going to sell old Sonny down the fucking river. Going to be loads of fun, shits just warming up, be prepared to be shocked and amazed, I predict we aint seen nothing yet!!

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Quote from: joeventura on May 29, 2014, 01:23:24 PM

Josh/Inaba is gagged by their attorneys

He hasn't posted anything since April yet has logged on less than a week ago.

They probably don't want the hole to get any deeper when they can't control the conversation.

He has his multiple accounts and has broken cover here already. Feeling desperate to lash out as I am sure he knows his new McMansion as well as Sonny V's palace are both going to get slapped with a lien soon enough. Prison Orange... or rat your partners out... last option.

Just for Josh Z and Sonny V if they are not familiar with what the lien is for

Code:

In law, a lien is a form of security interest granted over an item of
property to secure the payment of a debt or performance of some other obligation.

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Josh/Inaba is gagged by their attorneys

He hasn't posted anything since April yet has logged on less than a week ago.

They probably don't want the hole to get any deeper when they can't control the conversation.

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Quote from: CDNinATL on May 28, 2014, 01:08:21 PM

It would be interesting to hear how this finally played out.

One thing we know for certain. BFL didn't have it overturned. It is still on the books. So much for Josh Z confidence it be easily overturned. Pfft just like the Monarch will ship in December 2013. No problem.

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It would be interesting to hear how this finally played out.

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Quote from: Beaflag VonRathburg on May 20, 2014, 07:57:53 AM

Quote from: Bicknellski on May 19, 2014, 09:20:26 PM

Quote from: Inaba on January 01, 2014, 01:55:04 AM

Interesting. First I've heard of this... I wonder who they served (if anyone in BFL). You know you really screwed up your "win" when the defendant first hears about a case on an unrelated 3rd party internet forum, heh.

Should be an open and shut case to get this re-opened and dismissed.

How is that dismissal coming?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/204954147/Lolli-v-BF-Labs-Journal-Entry-of-Judgment

That, "$3.82 per day post judgement interest from November 27, 2013 until payment is received," is going to start adding up if they keep stalling this out.

The current tab is $14,500 who wants to call William Lolli and see if he got paid?

His phone number is in the exhibits of the case:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/204954150/Lolli-v-BF-Labs-Petition

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Excellent news for Bitcoin ! Nice work !

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Josh just spent a few BTC on house... how are they going to pay for losing this case?

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Quote from: Bicknellski on May 19, 2014, 09:20:26 PM

Quote from: Inaba on January 01, 2014, 01:55:04 AM

Interesting. First I've heard of this... I wonder who they served (if anyone in BFL). You know you really screwed up your "win" when the defendant first hears about a case on an unrelated 3rd party internet forum, heh.

Should be an open and shut case to get this re-opened and dismissed.

How is that dismissal coming?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/204954147/Lolli-v-BF-Labs-Journal-Entry-of-Judgment

That, "$3.82 per day post judgement interest from November 27, 2013 until payment is received," is going to start adding up if they keep stalling this out.

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Quote from: Inaba on January 01, 2014, 01:55:04 AM

Interesting. First I've heard of this... I wonder who they served (if anyone in BFL). You know you really screwed up your "win" when the defendant first hears about a case on an unrelated 3rd party internet forum, heh.

Should be an open and shut case to get this re-opened and dismissed.

How is that dismissal coming?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/204954147/Lolli-v-BF-Labs-Journal-Entry-of-Judgment

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Nothings changed. They haven't overturned the case against them after almost a month.

Strike while the iron is hot.

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its been more than two weeks ^tm now, since BFL knew about this case.

what's the current status?

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A subpoena is a document (depending on the type) that REQUIRES someone to appear in court or REQUIRES someone to produce evidence in court, if you are served with a subpoena and you don't appear you will usually be arrested and found in "contempt of court" and usually imprisoned.

If you receive process of service telling you that you are being sued (civil) and you do not show up the plaintiff gets a default judgement.

Subpoenas are usually not used to compel a defendant to appear, they are usually used to compel a witness to appear.

So in the case you sue BFL in a civil matter they will be served at their registered place of business and they should appear, if they don't they lose.

If you bring a criminal action, like fraud, they will still be served and if they were served and don't appear they could be found guilty of that crime.

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Ah true, would a subpoena only be used in a criminal investigation/trial (compared to civil) then? Of course we would all like to stay out of court, but just think if BFL was located in China/HK, heh good reason for me to go with CoinTerra.

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Its not a subpoena, its receiving process of service.

Which is a notice you are being sued and a notice to appear.

Subpoena requires you to testify.

A process server delivers the notice to appear to the registered address of the corporation and just like on TV they say "You have been served"

And then the process server, if needed will testify that the process was served to the appropriate location and/or the proper person and that is all the court needs. In many cases a certified letter signed for at the registered location of the corporation is also acceptable.

At this late date BFL has not a prayer to get this overturned AS LONG as the Process service was good. If the Process server delivered to the wrong address or something then they could get a hearing. However if BFLs registered address was current at the time and they served there, its open and shut case.

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Quote from: el_rlee on January 14, 2014, 12:23:30 AM

Quote from: Inaba on January 03, 2014, 10:21:56 AM

All states, miaviator.

After checking into it this, it looks like we've never actually been served directly. We are investigating the issue further, but it explains why this is the first we've heard of it. We're still trying to figure out who they actually served (if anyone), but it apparently wasn't us. Unfortunately, the legal system moves a bit slow.

Don't you have to sign for this?

Disclaimer: All my knowledge about the USA "serving system" comes from a movie called "Pineapple Express" Grin

Subpoenas can be delivered in a number of ways; I don't think I ever got around to watching "Pineapple Express" but I'm guessing there was a process server trying to delivery a subpoena in the movie. Hand delivery is just as valid as the paperwork being sent by registered/certified mail.

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You taking his word about being served?

Seems the court was ok with passing judgement.

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Quote from: Inaba on January 03, 2014, 10:21:56 AM

All states, miaviator.

After checking into it this, it looks like we've never actually been served directly. We are investigating the issue further, but it explains why this is the first we've heard of it. We're still trying to figure out who they actually served (if anyone), but it apparently wasn't us. Unfortunately, the legal system moves a bit slow.

Don't you have to sign for this?

Disclaimer: All my knowledge about the USA "serving system" comes from a movie called "Pineapple Express" Grin

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Quote from: cdog on January 13, 2014, 12:58:40 PM

The game is over for BFL. After the latest Monarch fiasco, even their most ardent supporters are lost. Nobody will dare buy their next product, the lawsuits pile up, they declare bankruptcy and ride off into the sunset with over 100,000 BTC, laughing all the way: "Suckerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrssss!!!!"

When you take money and fail to deliver you would hope that people can recoup their losses. It is clear at this point BFL is clearly to be avoided at all costs and save your self the hassle. There is 0 risk when you don't buy from them and that is the best advice anyone can give members of the community.

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The game is over for BFL. After the latest Monarch fiasco, even their most ardent supporters are lost. Nobody will dare buy their next product, the lawsuits pile up, they declare bankruptcy and ride off into the sunset with over 100,000 BTC, laughing all the way: "Suckerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrssss!!!!"

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Heh, awesome. Hopefully they'll be losing more lawsuits in the future.

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nice work man

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Quote from: PuertoLibre on January 11, 2014, 10:42:55 PM

Hmm, case hasn't been overturned....and it has been 15 days.

I am guessing they were out of luck in getting it overturned. Who will be the next successful litigant?

Yes... not overturned? Hmm... guess that internet law degree didn't pan out for Josh either?

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Hmm, case hasn't been overturned....and it has been 15 days.

I am guessing they were out of luck in getting it overturned. Who will be the next successful litigant?

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Quote from: GlapLaw on January 04, 2014, 12:23:47 PM

In other words, a plaintiff winning a default judgment says very little about another potential plaintiff's chance of winning if defendant shows up in that subsequent plaintiff's case.

YMMV, as always.

It does if they can't get their shit together and figure out which "official" place they are a getting registered mail sent to. It looks clear that BFL seems to be blissfully unaware they were sent anything and this judgement was made. Either that or they lied and basically didn't bother showing up hoping that the case would go away without going to court.

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Quote from: nagnagnag2 on January 05, 2014, 07:53:57 AM

don't worry!

josh will have a response in two weeks time ^tm Grin

yea, in about 2 weeks ! Grin

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don't worry!

josh will have a response in two weeks time ^tm Grin

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Quote from: Inaba on January 01, 2014, 01:55:04 AM

Interesting. First I've heard of this... I wonder who they served (if anyone in BFL). You know you really screwed up your "win" when the defendant first hears about a case on an unrelated 3rd party internet forum, heh.

Should be an open and shut case to get this re-opened and dismissed.

That train has left the station, the next step is about $20k being garnished from the Company Bank Account.

Start moving money around, lets make it a criminal felony case.

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Quote from: gbx on January 04, 2014, 10:19:19 AM

Quote from: GlapLaw on January 03, 2014, 11:22:17 AM

I'm saying that generally speaking, a default judgment, while a victory for the plaintiff in that specific case, isn't precedent for future cases. In other words, if Jim sues Bob for breach of contract, and Bob doesn't show up, Jim will get a default judgment and "win." If Gary then decides to sue Bob for breach of contract and Bob shows up, Gary can't wave around Jim's default judgment and say "Look! He already lost before so he should lose again!"

Quote from: GlapLaw on January 03, 2014, 11:22:17 AM

.. I just do my best to educate people on some of the less obvious points of the legal system.

Quote from: GlapLaw on January 03, 2014, 11:22:17 AM

Anything contained in the above post should NOT be taken to constitute the establishment of an Attorney-Client relationship. Anything in the above post should NOT be taken as legal advice, either generally, or for your specific situation. Anything contained in the above post should NOT be taken to indicate my opinion on any legal strategy or approach, or the viability of any legal claims.

So which is it?

I'd be more interested to hear your not-an-opinion-or-on the subject that BFL might have a shot at reopening this case. On one hand, the address on their business license (official mailing address) is where you would think to send registered mail for service. However, the place does have a website with an address on it. So there's the common sense thing too... what do the courts consider reasonable effort to contact in the legal world these days with email, internet, and google?

I don't believe there's conflict in what I said and what my sig says. I apologize if my posts give any other impression.

I am simply explaining that while a default judgment is valid and enforceable (though it may be challenged on specific grounds), it generally does not prevent a defendant from showing up in a subsequent lawsuit brought by a different party and contesting the suit.

In other words, a plaintiff winning a default judgment says very little about another potential plaintiff's chance of winning if defendant shows up in that subsequent plaintiff's case.

YMMV, as always.

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Quote from: GlapLaw on January 03, 2014, 11:22:17 AM

I'm saying that generally speaking, a default judgment, while a victory for the plaintiff in that specific case, isn't precedent for future cases. In other words, if Jim sues Bob for breach of contract, and Bob doesn't show up, Jim will get a default judgment and "win." If Gary then decides to sue Bob for breach of contract and Bob shows up, Gary can't wave around Jim's default judgment and say "Look! He already lost before so he should lose again!"

Quote from: GlapLaw on January 03, 2014, 11:22:17 AM

.. I just do my best to educate people on some of the less obvious points of the legal system.

Quote from: GlapLaw on January 03, 2014, 11:22:17 AM

Anything contained in the above post should NOT be taken to constitute the establishment of an Attorney-Client relationship. Anything in the above post should NOT be taken as legal advice, either generally, or for your specific situation. Anything contained in the above post should NOT be taken to indicate my opinion on any legal strategy or approach, or the viability of any legal claims.

So which is it?

I'd be more interested to hear your not-an-opinion-or-on the subject that BFL might have a shot at reopening this case. On one hand, the address on their business license (official mailing address) is where you would think to send registered mail for service. However, the place does have a website with an address on it. So there's the common sense thing too... what do the courts consider reasonable effort to contact in the legal world these days with email, internet, and google?

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Just keeping serving them suits to the same address... bet you get a few judgements like this. Probably have one too many mailboxes and can't track. Whoops.

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Quote from: SantaMuerte on January 03, 2014, 11:08:56 AM

Quote from: GlapLaw on January 03, 2014, 10:32:00 AM

Quote from: miaviator on January 03, 2014, 10:15:28 AM

Quote from: GlapLaw on January 03, 2014, 09:59:19 AM

FYI - though this has been mentioned, it's worth repeating that a default judgment isn't precedential or indicative of the success of claims against BFL going forward. YMMV.

Source: I am a lawyer.

In what state/country?

I'm based in New York, New York, though my practice is national. What I said is the law across the U.S., as far as I understand it.

No comment on this specific case or legal proceedings, just wanted people to be aware before they went bursting into court with this default judgment.

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Lets point the arrow at the guy who's posts help BFL *(Captain obvious says that's you SantaMuerte )

If BFL manages un-mangle the case they could still prevail in court. Bringing up this case while thinking it has precedence will waste your money and could hurt you in the end.

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Quote from: Inaba on January 03, 2014, 10:21:56 AM

All states, miaviator.

After checking into it this, it looks like we've never actually been served directly. We are investigating the issue further, but it explains why this is the first we've heard of it. We're still trying to figure out who they actually served (if anyone), but it apparently wasn't us. Unfortunately, the legal system moves a bit slow.

Sorry Inaba I was quite vague. I was asking where the poster was licensed to practice law.

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Quote from: SantaMuerte on January 03, 2014, 11:08:56 AM

Quote from: GlapLaw on January 03, 2014, 10:32:00 AM

Quote from: miaviator on January 03, 2014, 10:15:28 AM

Quote from: GlapLaw on January 03, 2014, 09:59:19 AM

FYI - though this has been mentioned, it's worth repeating that a default judgment isn't precedential or indicative of the success of claims against BFL going forward. YMMV.

Source: I am a lawyer.

In what state/country?

I'm based in New York, New York, though my practice is national. What I said is the law across the U.S., as far as I understand it.

No comment on this specific case or legal proceedings, just wanted people to be aware before they went bursting into court with this default judgment.

BFL paid/employee <---

Me? That's not fair. I'm not even commenting on this specific case.

I'm saying that generally speaking, a default judgment, while a victory for the plaintiff in that specific case, isn't precedent for future cases. In other words, if Jim sues Bob for breach of contract, and Bob doesn't show up, Jim will get a default judgment and "win." If Gary then decides to sue Bob for breach of contract and Bob shows up, Gary can't wave around Jim's default judgment and say "Look! He already lost before so he should lose again!"

You don't have to believe me, but I have no horse in this race, I just do my best to educate people on some of the less obvious points of the legal system.

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Quote from: GlapLaw on January 03, 2014, 10:32:00 AM

Quote from: miaviator on January 03, 2014, 10:15:28 AM

Quote from: GlapLaw on January 03, 2014, 09:59:19 AM

FYI - though this has been mentioned, it's worth repeating that a default judgment isn't precedential or indicative of the success of claims against BFL going forward. YMMV.

Source: I am a lawyer.

In what state/country?

I'm based in New York, New York, though my practice is national. What I said is the law across the U.S., as far as I understand it.

No comment on this specific case or legal proceedings, just wanted people to be aware before they went bursting into court with this default judgment.

BFL paid/employee <---

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Quote from: miaviator on January 03, 2014, 10:15:28 AM

Quote from: GlapLaw on January 03, 2014, 09:59:19 AM

FYI - though this has been mentioned, it's worth repeating that a default judgment isn't precedential or indicative of the success of claims against BFL going forward. YMMV.

Source: I am a lawyer.

In what state/country?

I'm based in New York, New York, though my practice is national. What I said is the law across the U.S., as far as I understand it.

No comment on this specific case or legal proceedings, just wanted people to be aware before they went bursting into court with this default judgment.

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All states, miaviator.

After checking into it this, it looks like we've never actually been served directly. We are investigating the issue further, but it explains why this is the first we've heard of it. We're still trying to figure out who they actually served (if anyone), but it apparently wasn't us. Unfortunately, the legal system moves a bit slow.

miaviator

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Quote from: GlapLaw on January 03, 2014, 09:59:19 AM

FYI - though this has been mentioned, it's worth repeating that a default judgment isn't precedential or indicative of the success of claims against BFL going forward. YMMV.

Source: I am a lawyer.

In what state/country?

GlapLaw

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FYI - though this has been mentioned, it's worth repeating that a default judgment isn't precedential or indicative of the success of claims against BFL going forward. YMMV.

Source: I am a lawyer.

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Subbing to see where this goes. I'm sure quite a few of us would like some kind of refund for waiting a year+ (in my case) for some kind of product to be delivered.

Unacceptable

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Quote from: rammy2k2 on January 03, 2014, 04:23:47 AM

U better shave your ass inaba!

He won't need to...good ole Bubba will do that for him Cheesy

Say hi to your bunk mate Josh Shocked

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U better shave your ass inaba!

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Interesting details revealed?

http://www.reddit.com/user/orange_bucket
http://www.reddit.com/user/coinpositivedotcom
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1u4v0o/i_sued_bfl_in_kansas_jurisdiction_and_won/

One of them claims to be an Employee. Also claims something about hiring illegal immigrants?

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Quote from: ScaryHash on January 01, 2014, 09:08:21 AM

That's awesome.

I wonder if this has anything to do with BFL dropping the price on a 50 Gh/s Single to $984 until January 5, or selling a 300 Gh/s Monarch pre-order for $1200 (down from $2800).

It usually does not look good to sell brand new products for more than half off. Seems like a desperate ploy for $$$ to me.

Cash flow problems perhaps?

didnt take long to burn thru that $1 million order money I guess... imagine how mad that buyer is gonna be when BFL doesnt deliver that...

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So is it truthful to say BFL has been judged guilty of fraud in a US court of law?

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Quote from: erk on January 01, 2014, 09:05:20 PM

That court case was back in November, why are we hearing about it in January?

Likely a 30 day statute of limitations for an appeal. I'm sure if he's represented by an attorney, that he advised him when to talk about the case...

erk

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That court case was back in November, why are we hearing about it in January?

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Quote from: Inaba on January 01, 2014, 01:55:04 AM

Interesting. First I've heard of this... I wonder who they served (if anyone in BFL). You know you really screwed up your "win" when the defendant first hears about a case on an unrelated 3rd party internet forum, heh.

Should be an open and shut case to get this re-opened and dismissed.

An Update:

http://www.reddit.com/user/coinpositivedotcom

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Ethics and Science need to shake hands

Awesome

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Quote from: Inaba on January 01, 2014, 01:55:04 AM

Interesting. First I've heard of this... I wonder who they served (if anyone in BFL). You know you really screwed up your "win" when the defendant first hears about a case on an unrelated 3rd party internet forum, heh.

Should be an open and shut case to get this re-opened and dismissed.

Sure, Josh. I'm positive the judge doesnt give a shit that you gave him the middle finger by not sending a lawyer. Ignorance is not a defense. Go off yourself.

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Quote from: gbx on January 01, 2014, 03:37:10 PM

Quote from: Inaba on January 01, 2014, 01:55:04 AM

Interesting. First I've heard of this... I wonder who they served (if anyone in BFL). You know you really screwed up your "win" when the defendant first hears about a case on an unrelated 3rd party internet forum, heh.

Should be an open and shut case to get this re-opened and dismissed.

I'm guessing you should probably update your official mailing address on your business license.

https://www.kansas.gov/bess/flow/main?execution=e1s5

I will pass that along to those responsible for keeping that up to date.

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Perhaps in 2014, you can redirect some of the energy you spend defending your business practices in these 3rd party forums into resolving ACTUAL customer issues.

Fix the underlying root cause.

It's an area we are working on. I have no direct control over that area, so redirecting any of my energies to that would be fruitless. Regardless, though, I only post here for entertainment purposes and when I have spare time (like sitting on a plane, holidays, etc...) and it's what I occasionally choose to do with my free time, so again, it would be fruitless, even if I did have direct control over it.

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Quote from: Inaba on January 01, 2014, 01:55:04 AM

Interesting. First I've heard of this... I wonder who they served (if anyone in BFL). You know you really screwed up your "win" when the defendant first hears about a case on an unrelated 3rd party internet forum, heh.

Should be an open and shut case to get this re-opened and dismissed.

I'm guessing you should probably update your official mailing address on your business license.

https://www.kansas.gov/bess/flow/main?execution=e1s5

Perhaps in 2014, you can redirect some of the energy you spend defending your business practices in these 3rd party forums into resolving ACTUAL customer issues.

Fix the underlying root cause.

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That's awesome.

I wonder if this has anything to do with BFL dropping the price on a 50 Gh/s Single to $984 until January 5, or selling a 300 Gh/s Monarch pre-order for $1200 (down from $2800).

It usually does not look good to sell brand new products for more than half off. Seems like a desperate ploy for $$$ to me.

Cash flow problems perhaps?

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Verified Bernie Bro - Feel The Bern!

Quote from: Inaba on January 01, 2014, 01:55:04 AM

Interesting. First I've heard of this... I wonder who they served (if anyone in BFL). You know you really screwed up your "win" when the defendant first hears about a case on an unrelated 3rd party internet forum, heh.

Should be an open and shut case to get this re-opened and dismissed.

LOL the Organ Grinder didn't tell the Monkey Boy they got served.

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Quote from: Vagnavs on January 01, 2014, 02:14:43 AM

Quote from: Inaba on January 01, 2014, 01:55:04 AM

Interesting. First I've heard of this... I wonder who they served (if anyone in BFL). You know you really screwed up your "win" when the defendant first hears about a case on an unrelated 3rd party internet forum, heh.

Should be an open and shut case to get this re-opened and dismissed.

Such words of wisdom from Josh. Shouldn't you be working on writing your next delay??

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https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3418969

"Like I said... internet lawyers. Dumb as a box of rocks. How that Internet Law Degree treating you?" - Inaba

Insults have a way of working against people. How is that Internet Law Degree treating you now? Pfft the comedy.

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Quote from: Inaba on January 01, 2014, 01:55:04 AM

Interesting. First I've heard of this... I wonder who they served (if anyone in BFL). You know you really screwed up your "win" when the defendant first hears about a case on an unrelated 3rd party internet forum, heh.

Should be an open and shut case to get this re-opened and dismissed.

Such words of wisdom from Josh. Shouldn't you be working on writing your next delay??

Unacceptable

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Waa

Sonny didn't tell you his company was being sued Huh

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Saw this on Reddit as well. Interesting to see how they get the money from them.

Inaba

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Interesting. First I've heard of this... I wonder who they served (if anyone in BFL). You know you really screwed up your "win" when the defendant first hears about a case on an unrelated 3rd party internet forum, heh.

Should be an open and shut case to get this re-opened and dismissed.

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Happy New Years!!! Cheesy

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1u4v0o/i_sued_bfl_in_kansas_jurisdiction_and_won/?sort=new

http://www.jococourts.org/index.aspx
(Just enter the case number: 13LA09619)

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Well done.

MOAR lawsuits please.

miaviator

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It's for the children!

+1 for your username....

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Topic: public record, case 13LA09619 won against BFL (Read 11143 times)