Topic: 📈🥊 PumpFight.com | NO KYC - DECENTRALIZED PVP PREDICTION GAME 📈🥊📈🥊 (Read 497 times)

Hello, and Merry Christmas! 🎅🎄

The main reason why is not possible to set a custom timer is liquidity management. As our games are p2p we need players betting against one another, and it would be near impossible to achieve this with custom timers. This is why we rely on predefined ones.

We did run some tests during the past years with other pool timers, and it shown an increasing engagement and fun of game with the current ones.

We are using : dxFeed (https://dxfeed.com/).

Yep your opinion is very reasonable, that might be the reason, but with such a large bitcoin marketcap it is very difficult to manipulate, not to mention crashing sell orders at certain price levels and can be reversed, btw from my experience and in this feel it looks more like a Binary Option where it is very similar to guessing up or down in seconds. 

Well, I don't know but I think they may likely not allow the possibility of gamblers having to choose or set their own time, allowing such is not possible for several reason, and one of those reasons is that it may open the door to manipulation.
That is, a gambler can bet on that price of a coin, choose a Time by himself, and then proceed to manipulate the price of that coin to make it worth exactly the same as his bet at that particular time he choose, which will give him an instant win.
You may want to say "how is it possible for a person to manipulate the price of a cryptocurrency", people with lots of money can do this easily.

And as for the exchange where the casino draws the price of cryptocurrencies from, that I leave for the rep to say.

I just opened this web3 gambling site and yes it's quite interesting, and it's like trading for me it's just that your risk your reward we can't set it ourselves, there is something I want to ask that it seems that this only has a time limit of a few seconds to place a position and then will get the results in seconds, is there an option to set the time? it's very difficult to gamble with second bets, and of course I want to know the benchmark bitcoin API price that you take from where?

Hello, just a reminder...

There are absolutely no deposit(s) whatsoever on our platform.

Players keeps their funds inside their own wallets until the very moment they decide to place a bet.

Our smart contracts then holds funds for one bet at a time (for a few seconds), before distributing it back to the winner(s).

Our platform has no license, and it is no kyc, because it is fully decentralized and open source + we don't have deposits.

Don't Trust, Verify.

Also, play safe!

I agree with you on all these points. Suggestions from the community plus quick resolution of technical errors definitely play an effective role in building a casino's reputation and trust.
But what I think about the initial cases a gambler when choosing a new gambling site  first of all the looks whether the casino has a license and who the provider is. I also agree with this that many licensed casinos do rug pull schemes with their clients but I also think that this tendency will rarely work in casinos whose licenses are from top level companies. Because a license costs about several thousand dollars in the beginning, and in case of annual fees it tooks huge investment on their.
Kyc not an issues but when casino found a  suspicious activity like large deposit or the others thing what makes that suspicious activity in that cases most of the casino will check the KYC and in some cases additional documents for that because for the AML regulation.

If they just get those license from a country which doesn't regulate much gambling then its still nothing since there are lots of license casino pull a rug pull scheme to their clients. What's more important here is the reputation they built in this community also their willingness to follow the suggestion and other things needed to take care especially for listening to peoples suggestions. Also people care about much on how their support response fast to the issue since most of people like to have active representative will solve their issues.

KYC thing is I think not an issue since people here now already know about regulation and those things want to avoid by legitimate casino since people nowadays is willing to comply if they asked to do this especially if they already gather good reputation to the community.

Definitely it is a essential things to the online casinos'S in case of gaining the trust from the user's and that is why the casino's are investing millions on the behinds of licence companies. Without licence a casino can also gain the trust on the net but it took times..

Anyway about the suggestion of your regarding getting licensed to this casino. I think may be they could be issues it that because of the being decentralized platform. Decentralized casino means the non-kyc casino and non-kyc also against the anti money laundry laws.

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Agreed. We will, and we have been active in the best possible manner until now.

Bitwinup and us are sharing the same back-end team and software, players knows that. This is why there is no much question to answer since we first posted our announcement here.

Staying active on the ANN thread by a representative of the platform is very important because from the activities players get to ask questions and get the answers to those questions and that results in trust and commitment, most of the other cryptocurrency casinos like stake.com duelbit a d the rest reputable casinos all started with much activeness on the ANN thread since the thread serves as your official interface with your customer here on Bitcointalk.

I hope the team takes things seriously in the ANN in the future!

Hello, would you rather send your funds to a platform in order to play than connecting your wallet to sign the games transactions of a decentralized service? It is important for you to understand that as we are truly decentralized, we can't hold any funds.

Our platform is actually deposit-free, meaning you are playing directly from your wallet without ever depositing or sending any funds to us. We never hold your money.

Every player is in full possession of their wallet. They can use a Metamask to connect (dedicated to the game for increased security) for example, but they can also use their social or email if they prefer, with Web3Auth a wallet will automatically be created giving them access and control of their private key.

The way we allow users to use fiat money and still being fully decentralized, is by simply giving the players an easy access to external services where they can buy crypto to fund their wallets (ex : TransFi for bank transfer, and transak.com for card payments). They are not actually depositing money to us, and we never process any payment whatsoever.

No, we do not plan to impose KYC verification in the future.

Nice announcement thread and your website looks really nice too.
I wouldn't "connect" my crypto wallet, because I don't trust services that suggest you to "connect your wallet". It's nice that you support fiat payment methods. By the way, is your platform truly decentralized, if I have to deposit fiat money, by using fiat payment methods?
I don't think that truly decentralized gambling platforms would support fiat deposit/withdrawal methods.
Do you plan to stay non-KYC forever or you plan to impose KYC verification in the future?
Anyway, good luck with this project, OP.

Hey there

I will try to answer all questions that I feel are relevant by this post since my last time here. If you feel that I missed something, please quote it to bring it back on the table. If new question(s) come to your mind, also please, do not hesitate to ask on this thread.


You are right, bitcoin.com game is a mirror, you can validate this claim by going through their game page, and checking the smart contracts used to perform the rounds of each games. The smart contracts they use are the same as https://PumpFight.com. By doing that, you'll also notice the pools of players are indeed shared.


Giving the exact right support is a top priority for every single business, so I do fully agree with you. Creating this thread is part of the process of giving players more room to reach out to the community and admins for eventual help. As our game is fully open source, everyone can dig and find answers if an issue arises for someone.


Thank you for pointing this out, and adding more precision to your first post. I think most of the future PumpFight players here would appreciate some words about how actually the payouts and commission works, even though as all of this information is already publicly available, I am sure the current players that registered from here did already checked the full games terms

In short : the platform gets 5% flat fee from only the winning pools. There is no fee anywhere else in the platform. But as I mentioned earlier :


The multiplier the players bets for, as an outcome of the pool he enters, is the actual multiplier he is aiming for : already taking the platform fee into account.
Also, it may sometimes happen that there is some ties on some assets. The starting price of the round may be the same as the ending price of the round, in that case the funds are distributed back to players and the platform does not get any fee from the round (because there is no "winning pool").

Thanks to this commission structure, some players do even engage in an arbitrage strategy, taking only advantaged trades. Due to the PVP nature of the games, payouts can sometimes go as high as 300%-400%.

And why exactly do you see a 17% potential "fee" in the payout, is because on that particular pool : 12% is redistributed to the users as Jackpot (as for now), for liquidity purposes.

The pool you picked up is the only one with such high percentage going back to the users as Jackpot and not as direct payout. It is usually and for most pools only 1% that goes to Jackpot funds.


You can verify the platform commission is 5% for every game by heading to the smart contract -> read contract -> feeJackpotPercentage (fee used as Jackpot) / feePercentage (actual platform fee).


Here are all the smart contract of our games :

Forex EUR/USD 30' : https://explorer.playblock.io/address/0x0167BbB18EF14EB9781c525c163BB92d8D8FFEFF?tab=contract
Forex EUR/USD VIP 30' (higher limits) : https://explorer.playblock.io/address/0xAfE7B716479022faC516F418427Fb5FE5968EcB0?tab=contract
Forex JPY/USD 30' : https://explorer.playblock.io/address/0x5b667c710d7344670b7099eB2536303Cd2663be6?tab=contract
Forex JPY/USD VIP 30' (higher limits) : https://explorer.playblock.io/address/0xa522abb205Cfcb90482cdc9DD4aC53f5A3ECC37E?tab=contract
Forex GBP/USD 30' : https://explorer.playblock.io/address/0x41D1dd7cCa5923495B75d635C744190C2cc1b1C5?tab=contract
Gold 30' : https://explorer.playblock.io/address/0x061581a325fFc28a3521290e283D891040365f1D?tab=contract
Gold VIP 30' (higher limits) : https://explorer.playblock.io/address/0xE1B06cF9636e7D7cd051af5e84339326303cD401?tab=contract
Oil 30' : https://explorer.playblock.io/address/0x2Fd3E66Bb90De43B6204d491729727040c684efc?tab=contract
NASDAQ 30' : https://explorer.playblock.io/address/0xE1a24DCd7C81198E653f7b7e1D36793bDab4DA7d?tab=contract
BTC 5' : https://explorer.playblock.io/address/0x3A8C045BD27d0C059d8A3C0110267c4d2822e9bD?tab=contract
BTC 15' : https://explorer.playblock.io/address/0x02D3056B85578f1711481fD70Ae95e796B286697?tab=contract
BTC 30' : https://explorer.playblock.io/address/0x41d35a75b7E16114E6A11B8b52c3Eea3A48D38cC?tab=contract
ETH 60' : https://explorer.playblock.io/address/0xDae35d2D5C0Aa167C5D231287328dFc3c1b6F939?tab=contract
SOL 60' : https://explorer.playblock.io/address/0x2AcbFDAAF70697fF195f37b75E4922e61f6176C6?tab=contract
BNB 60' : https://explorer.playblock.io/address/0x021bf434Ddaa1D41261cc2DFBBD6dF9815021035?tab=contract
DOGE 60' : https://explorer.playblock.io/address/0x61eF34c875e9f902fd18F38F387B89586821332B?tab=contract
SHIBA 60' : https://explorer.playblock.io/address/0x43E7Ce35ae4F610A17618B5B0f1d057eEFB5f4D6?tab=contract



Based on that, this is a good thing for us : we have same commission, but we play with real assets at https://pumpfight.com/trade : (Crypto, Forex, Nasdaq, Gold, Oil).


We do not rely on a simple BTC prediction game, but a BTC, ETH, SOL, BNB, DOGE, SHIBA + Forex, Gold, Oil prediction games.


As our games are open sourced, you can track the actual volume of games by yourself. You can do this by clicking on one of the last game, and head to "Check Hash", all transactions are public. Each games relies on one smart contract, for example the BTC 15 second pool is played on this smart contract : 0x02D3056B85578f1711481fD70Ae95e796B286697 (in the Playblock blockchain : https://explorer.playblock.io/address/0x02D3056B85578f1711481fD70Ae95e796B286697).

Here is the Certik audit link of our smart contracts by the game provider, Playnance : https://skynet.certik.com/projects/Playnance


You can give a try PumpFight. We often have 1.9 and higher multipliers due to our PVP nature.


Again, there is no copy. We all are partners at the same level with the game provider.

Bitcointalk is a forum of specialists. I believe most players who registered and are now actively playing from this forum did their due diligence before interacting with our games.

I am seeing this type of game recently in content creators and they seem to enjoy it. What worries me is that they're introducing it as if you're actually doing stocks but they're not mentioning you're only betting on how it will go. And that led me to think that the viewers of those folks might think that games like this is the actual stock market and they're also going to bet on it as if that's the only way to earn from it. I've seen games like this several years ago and I guess it's timely that it's been back.

Damn I've been looking for a game like this!
Market based and like binary options. There used to be so many sites that had simple up/down bets and a 1.9 multiplier but they all shut down.

Making it more P2P might be a better solution. I'll surely be looking into this. Looks very promising.

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OK, I probably should have read through all the posts in the topic before giving OP one merit.

I simply got too excited to see the service and gave the merit without thinking. Perhaps there theymos should implement a way to remove merits? Honest mistake giving that to OP.

There are accusations that the service is a mere copy. What's the link to the original?

We are all familiar with this game, but unfortunately, OP's behavior in promoting his version of this game is not good. I prefer the admin of Bitwinup, even though he is not posting anymore here for reasons we don't know.
but he was very active then, and he answered all our questions about the platform.
When you create an announcement here, the first week is very crucial because you will be flooded by questions from members. This is how you built your reputation here.

Trash talk? Really? You do realise that I am not some all knowing being, don't you? Grow up weirdo.

I share your viewpoint since I am a fan of these sort of games too, but something feels off with this particular site as some posters above suggested. Also, op hasn't been very active in this thread since it was created which isn't helping them.

I haven't checked/played with their prediction game, but I'm giving OP a merit because I like these sorts of services - I used to bet in Binary Options before when they were very popular, and I really liked it. PumpFight is probably like betting on Binary Options but the risk and the gamble is set to the maximum possible setting. Hahaha.


The service may look like it's fun to play, but be careful before signing any transaction being requested from this service.

Is there any other site to track originality of website or newly launched site that is similar to who.is because it seems that this site isn't giving an accurate information, just as we usually used different site to track AI generated contents.

When I visit your site, if I am not mistaken there is an app that similar with your site. That app predict where Bitcoin will moves in the next 5-10 seconds and we should place our order. But that is not a PvP games because we just predict the price go and wait for a while.

But your site is interesting because we can see the trader who place their prediction and who is the opponent. Besides that, we just need to connect our wallet and we can directly joining with them.

But before you play, you need to make sure that you can analyze the market so you will know what you need to choose. With a $5 as a minimum bet, you need to be careful spends your money and always make sure that you are in under control.

I am interesting with the Copy Trade but it still in Beta mode. But I see some traders on the lists that we can copy the trade.

Looking that this account is from way back 2014, which means you have been in crypto for about or more than 10 years now.
For someone who have spent this years in crypto not to know certik, it possible he or she has been hiding under a hole 🕳️.

Certik is a very popular audit company in crypto, in fact, they are the best and most expensive audit company as long as crypto is concerned..

And for this casino, they are likely a scam, to have such a exortant amount in total wins paid in their very short time of operation is very fishy, and again, their claim of being audited by certik is a lie until they provide their audit report link, every certik audit comes with a report link that can be accessed, viewed by anyone, without them providing that link, their claim of being auditted can certik is a lie.

It's really tough to believe that your site which relies on a simple BTC prediction game has such high liquidities op. Have never even heard of Certik before which is why I am reluctant about investing in your site..

Also, some members mentioned that the commission is high though I couldn't find the exact number. How much is it exactly?

From what I am seeing on the whois site, I don't think the site is inactive, except there is something I am confused about, or that the inactive error (if maybe it was an error) has been fixed..



The above screenshot shows that pumpfight.com is registered, and goes on to list the available extensions, which we can see there that the .com extension is already taken and not a available for sale, though possible to make an offer..

I might be wrong though since I don't completely understand how the whois site works, so, I accept correction is possible.

For me, I think it is only normal as the post is mostly composed of images, although the images still came from their website. The image is no doubt cool and neat, so this means they did a good job on creating their site. It is a must to do a research before dealing on the thing that are new to us. This makes them to get familiarized with the forum and stuffs.

As for the license, it can only be optional as they are decentralized but for the advertisement, it is a must in order for their platform to gain an exposure. They are already on the right track by the time they created their ANN thread in our forum. If they lack in budget for now, all they can do is to be active on this thread, for it to get bumped in the first page of this board.

In my opinion, it is very important that casinos have a license. Just think that in the real world, governments require casinos to have a license, so governments did not allow online casinos to operate without a license. So this means that an online casino without a license has a greater risk of being seized by the government and all funds will also be seized. Nowadays, it is useless to avoid KYC. I would advise the casino owner to get licensed to be in compliance with the laws

It could be an error from who.is as the game service is active. I'm thinking it's unlikely that it's due to the website being very recently registered as I've seen newer sites (newer than their announcement here) with available details.

You are right!

I just clicked on the link you posted and it shows inactive.

What could be the caus of that?

Agree.

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BTW, these type of betting game now got a heavy competitor against Evolution Games. The different the asset was in real asset but for Evolution Games based RNG not any backed asset. But still the system choose betting side are similar.

With these kind of fee commission are required high comparing to RNG Stock Option from EVO just 5%. How your casino will survive against them.

I was referring to that by 'house commission'. This type of commission rate gives guaranteed profits to the casinos from each round. The winner side is getting 166% amount when the bet amount is same on both sides. So, the commission rate is around 17% from each round. The commission rate is changing a bit when the bet amount isn't same on both sides. Everyone would address this commission rate as high.

I don't get really get it your words that unless they will also accept btc other alts and the credit/debit card for the payment. On the other hand, I still know that cryptocurrency means blockchain and blockchain means decentralized ecosystem and as if they were providing their service directly with the wallet and claiming that they were decentralized casino that's means they were decentralized otherwise they would not have been decentralized casino. And if it is decentralized, there is no need with kyc verification and in this case if there is no kyc verification, most of the license providing companies do not issue licenses.
And about the claim that they were part of the bitcoin.com team it just need validate.

There are two similar platforms, but I like Bitwinup presentation because it sumarize the whole concept of platforms like this
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/dive-into-bitwinup-the-ultimate-crypto-trading-arena-is-here-5489723

They will benefit from introducing their platform here because many of us are already familiar with how this platform works

I'm pretty sure he had a valid license, or it will be taken down by the license issuer since they are openly promoting. They should launch a campaign for better reach and awareness of their platform; there's a lot of benefits to launching a signature campaign.

Many of us here are familiar with the script; only the domain name has changed.
Bitwinup is the one that started this trend here and they even launched a signature campaign here
Their thread, 🚀 Dive Into Bitwinup: The Ultimate Crypto Trading Arena is Here! 🎲 is not active anymore, but we never know if they plan to relaunch a campaign again, and since they are both using the same API, they are two platforms that's promoting the same concept, which is good at the current market trend.

Big head up to see a fully decentralized casinos and we have already noticed a lot of issues surrounding affiliation to other casinos and what have you and ops have also make some comments regarding that and if no further issues arise we can then welcome you and your team to this forum and for sure your project received alot of positive and negative responses and your ability to answers all the feedback and giving a clearer explanation from this point on is what guaranteed your success in this community or not because past events have thought most of us the forum members alot of lessons.

Why forum members are so curious about your script and game template:

1: the main reason for this is that, majority of the casinos that have shared term plats with others tend to become almost scam in the end since when their is issues with gambler and any game's getting the right developer to resolve such issues takes longer and almost impossible shape.

2: having accurate customers support regarding games and other technical issues is almost impossible also.
Unless for a few of them that have the right approach and being up to date with their own services to the extent that none of their customers get stranded while engaging on the casino.

Conclusions

Since you are new here, we, I will give you the benefits of doubt to make sure that you put everything in place and to build a good reputation for yourself since the start up is already getting some attention from us here, let us not jump into conclusions but give you room to prove your project here.

It is a decentralized casino, hence, they don't need a gambling license. Unless, they will also accept btc, other alts and credit/debit card payments. If they are indeed connected with bitcoin.com, then, I believe, they know what they are doing. And their claims may be true. But to how we can verify their connections? That we need to do further research...



If this claim is true, bitcoin.com really have this up-or-down game.
So it means, are you are mirror site of this game as you said you are sharing the same pool of players. How are we going to validate such claim?

Hello, thank you  you can navigate the website, going through the different pools of the game to see live active players. Starting from here : https://pumpfight.com/trade

For the past 12 months the games had an average daily volume of about $2.5m, ($7.6m volume today, at the time of writing). The lifetime volume wagered for all pools sits somewhere around +$800m and may reach 1b in q1 2025.

Most active pools (on weekdays) are Forex, Nasdaq, Gold, & Oil. You won't be playing alone 


To my knowledge, only a few (one I can think of) disappeared and it didn't caused any financial loss to anyone, this is very important to underline. How pumpfight works may be illustrated as a satellite : our platform is no more than a portal required to access Up and Down game developed by Playnance. This is how the overall structure works for every website running this script. Some rare one(s) may fail to stay online, but this relies on how serious the partner is with his business and it does not involves the game/pool provider.


This is so true. So, our platform is not totally new, in fact. We are sharing the same software, and most important : we share the exact same liquidity pools with every others platforms running this Up and Down game. Each platform (like https://pumpfight.com/) contribute to onboard players, enhancing the global liquidity for every platform connected to the game.

It brings the crucial liquidity the players needs.

As an example, https://www.bitcoin.com/ a website which you may know is also part of our team. You can find it's portal (copy of https://pumpfight.com/) at the address https://games.bitcoin.com/up-or-down, or by navigating through bitcoin.com website and finding the "games" tab. If you open both platform (https://pumpfight.com/trade & https://games.bitcoin.com/up-or-down) you will see that we share the same pool of players even though we do not have the same website.


Our house edge is 0%. PumpFight is not a house based platform, players are betting against each other. But platform's profits should still be generated somehow. So the commission is taken as a percentage from only the winning pool (and not on every bet placed). The commission is taken into account inside the displayed "potential profits" of each bet. Thus, a player knows the exact potential outcome of a winning trade, including the fees of the platform, before the bet is even placed.

As we constantly have more than 50% winning rate, it allows us and our partners to attract highrollers by maintaining such a commission logic.

Also, no much game do offer bets on commodities without KYC and in a fully decentralized manner.

Quite not comparable with traditional casinos.

Welcome to bitcointalk

I really like the presentation in your first post ANN thread as it looks so professional. Some say that you did researches before posting here but i think you are already familiar with forum features and rules.

I want to ask you about if you have a valid licence and if you plan to lunch advertisment campaigns.

IMO I am thinking that's doesn't big matter because we already multiple of Big and successful decentralized casino site in this forum they also don't have the license and as we also know that in most cases, it is seen that decentralized casinos are not easily licensed because in many cases they go against AML policies.

The matter is here their site looks like a duplicate version of the Bitwinup if you just check that. I have also doubt about the certik audited but because of I don't know how to verify that the project or site is really audited by them I will no comment here.

The site doesn't even have a license. What else is there to talk about

Looks like some script copies that have been posted here of recent. How does a recent website have upwards of $800 million in total wins paid?

Who.is shows your site status to be inactive https://who.is/whois/pumpfight.com

Another platform with "Up and Down" game only. We have previously seen a few many platforms with the same concept, but all of them disappeared after a few months. So, I have doubts about the longevity of PumpFight.com. The house commission is too much in this game.

The Up and Down game has been developed by "Playnance". And it is available on different platform through the API access. Therefore, they have paid to Playnance to get the API access.

It reminds me Bitwinup, here is their signature campaign. How did you get the script?

Edit: It's confirmed that both are same platform with same trade, calling from the same source.
bitwinup.com
pumpfight.com

May I know are you an affiliate or you bought the license from Bitwinup?

Welcome to the forum PumpFight.

Is this a new rebrand of BullBearFun, I still remember there was a PVP guessing crypto price in the past like this one.

How do people know if their coins are tainted or not tainted with any illegal activity or source? if someone broke this rules, you detected the funds come from illegal thing, what you will do in this case?

Welcome to the forum.

It seems you guys did some research before you created your account here which is good. Good to see another new platform coming to the forum. I guess this is 2nd trading gambling website I've seen. I don't remember the name of the first one. But they had a signature campaign on the forum.

Help me navigate the website. I do not see any TOS and Privacy policy page. No support page as well but these are the important things for a platform. Can we expect you to implement these pages soon? It seems the website is under construction.

Nice service offer you’ve got there since it’s a real decentralized casino that offer prediction game on crypto including commodities and stocks which is new. It’s somehow gave me the same vibes with MT4 but it’s decentralized and P2P.

The only problem I’m seeing on this PVP type game is you can’t enjoy the game if there’s no players to bet against since your casino is just new.

Cn you provide stats for active players?

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📈🥊 PumpFight.com | NO KYC - DECENTRALIZED PVP PREDICTION GAME : Bet Up or Down on Crypto, Forex, Nasdaq, Gold, Oil (& more coming soon).