Putin Adviser Threatens To Dump “More Than $200 Billion” In U.S. Treasury Bonds

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Quote from: Wilikon on March 07, 2014, 12:59:35 PM

Quote from: iamahappyminer on March 07, 2014, 09:52:15 AM

Well, that would be a happy end for our community but I doubt Putin will except Bitcoin. It is illegal in Russia and seems to be illegal for a long time

Yes. The whole community knows the about Russia "banning" bitcoin.

This only means that a big part of the community suffers from lack of intelligence... Otherwise they would be smart enough to find some related information... Instead of repeating what somebody said in order to dump btc/usd rate.. Roll Eyes

Letter from CB says almost the same that central banks of Thailand, Germany, France, etc have recommended. No bans, no jails, no prosecutions. Surprise!

http://clip2net.com/s/6WAQWf

http://btcsec.com/cbr_about_bitcoin/

Use google translate if you wish.

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Quote from: Minefield4 on March 09, 2014, 05:12:39 PM

I assume you looked up the NED, and have seen that they have been rather active funding..democracy'' in the Ukraine? I also assume you have seen the leaked conversation from Victoria Nuland http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-08/angela-merkel-furious-nulands-fuck-eu-comments

either way I am done here, have a nice day.

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You assumed well. I even heard the leaked conversation too. It was broadly broadcast in the western world. But for me it's just jumping to conclusions too early. We need more information to conclude such statements.

Have a nice day too

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Quote from: Qtera on March 09, 2014, 03:12:46 PM

Quote from: Minefield4 on March 09, 2014, 07:54:34 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_United_States_foreign_regime_change_actions
I suggest you look up 'National endowment of democracy" here is the official site. Notice the origin. http://ned.org/about/history
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Allen weinstein stated in a 1991 interview that “A lot of what we (NED) do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA.”
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-05/behind-kiev-snipers-it-was-somebody-new-coaltion-stunning-new-leak-reveals-truth

I'm not denying US did things like this in the past. But in the case of Ukraine, I don't see enough conclusive evidence of that yet, more than Russians and pro-Russians pointing fingers to USA. In this regard, only time will tell, I guess.

I assume you looked up the NED, and have seen that they have been rather active funding..democracy'' in the Ukraine? I also assume you have seen the leaked conversation from Victoria Nuland http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-08/angela-merkel-furious-nulands-fuck-eu-comments

either way I am done here, have a nice day.

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$200 billion is not a lot of money for a country. Its a couple of months of US deficit spending. If Russia really does "dump" them, there will not be a lack of buyers.

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Quote from: Minefield4 on March 09, 2014, 07:54:34 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_United_States_foreign_regime_change_actions
I suggest you look up 'National endowment of democracy" here is the official site. Notice the origin. http://ned.org/about/history
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Allen weinstein stated in a 1991 interview that “A lot of what we (NED) do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA.”
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-05/behind-kiev-snipers-it-was-somebody-new-coaltion-stunning-new-leak-reveals-truth

I'm not denying US did things like this in the past. But in the case of Ukraine, I don't see enough conclusive evidence of that yet, more than Russians and pro-Russians pointing fingers to USA. In this regard, only time will tell, I guess.

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Quote from: greenalliancegroup on March 09, 2014, 10:04:58 AM

I found out from my Ukrainian friend that the reason the Chinese are investing in Ukraine is there a special type of rich fertile soil that you need to grow food crops with and Ukraine is only one in the region that has it.

I highly doubt that Russians will make a move. Once you cut off raw materials like for growing food crops. No country will allow you to do it. I believe if the Russians do invade. The Chinese will stop them because no country wants another country owning something so vital and important. The very least will strain there relationship which will never be good.

I don't know about special soil but I have read that Ukraine has the best soil and climate for agriculture. (I believe it was 13-15 meters deep, dark soil and a nice constant climate)

The Chinese support Russia: for Russia, it is not about gas/oil/agriculture, though getting more of those is a nice bonus.

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I found out from my Ukrainian friend that the reason the Chinese are investing in Ukraine is there a special type of rich fertile soil that you need to grow food crops with and Ukraine is only one in the region that has it.

I highly doubt that Russians will make a move. Once you cut off raw materials like for growing food crops. No country will allow you to do it. I believe if the Russians do invade. The Chinese will stop them because no country wants another country owning something so vital and important. The very least will strain there relationship which will never be good.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_United_States_foreign_regime_change_actions
I suggest you look up 'National endowment of democracy" here is the official site. Notice the origin. http://ned.org/about/history
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Allen weinstein stated in a 1991 interview that “A lot of what we (NED) do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA.”
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-05/behind-kiev-snipers-it-was-somebody-new-coaltion-stunning-new-leak-reveals-truth

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Quote from: Minefield4 on March 08, 2014, 08:42:15 PM

In a game of chess you can't bluff. Crimea is an autonomous region, if they vote to join Russia, they rejoin Russia.(Or is a CIA funded coup more legitimate then a referendum?)

Personally I don't think that shit will hit the fan over this. The risk simply outweighs the reward.

Every Ukrainian province should hold referendums.

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Quote from: Qtera on March 08, 2014, 06:49:29 PM

Quote from: greenalliancegroup on March 08, 2014, 07:35:02 AM

Russia imports a lot of its food. So to see it cutting it ties with a lot of countries over the Ukraine. Is not a smart idea.

Yeah. It really sounds more like bluffing to me.

In a game of chess you can't bluff. Crimea is an autonomous region, if they vote to join Russia, they rejoin Russia.(Or is a CIA funded coup more legitimate then a referendum?)

Personally I don't think that shit will hit the fan over this. The risk simply outweighs the reward.

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"Distribution of costs and benefits deals with the outcomes of games. This leads to players bluffing in order to gain their desired outcome. There are two types of bluffing: cheap and costly. A cheap bluff is a bluff that costs the player nothing, such as rhetoric or hinted threats in official communiques. A costly bluff, which is more likely to be noticed by the other player or players, could be the mobilization of military forces or missile tests. The more costly the bluff, the more likely the other players will believe it."

Source: Advanced Analytic Techniques (8th April 2013). "Applications of Game Theory in Support of Intelligence Analysis". Blog. Online in http://advat.blogspot.com/2013/04/applications-of-game-theory-in-support.html

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Article 134. The Autonomous Republic of Crimea shall be an integral constituent part of Ukraine and shall resolve issues relegated to its authority within the frame of its reference, determined by the Constitution of Ukraine.

Source: Constitution of Ukraine - Title X. "The Autonomous Republic of Crimea Ukraine Government. Online in http://www.president.gov.ua/en/content/chapter10.html

Where is your source of a CIA funded coup? Pravda? Syrian Free Press? Putin's mouth? Then, who are here taking those risks of such a bold statement made by Putin's adviser?

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Quote from: Qtera on March 08, 2014, 06:49:29 PM

Quote from: greenalliancegroup on March 08, 2014, 07:35:02 AM

Russia imports a lot of its food. So to see it cutting it ties with a lot of countries over the Ukraine. Is not a smart idea.

Yeah. It really sounds more like bluffing to me.

In a game of chess you can't bluff. Crimea is an autonomous region, if they vote to join Russia, they rejoin Russia.(Or is a CIA funded coup more legitimate then a referendum?)

Personally I don't think that shit will hit the fan over this. The risk simply outweighs the reward.

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Quote from: dolphin2014 on March 08, 2014, 04:49:47 AM

Putin is 5' 7".

Maybe - but he talks like he's 6'3" Grin

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Quote from: greenalliancegroup on March 08, 2014, 07:35:02 AM

Russia imports a lot of its food. So to see it cutting it ties with a lot of countries over the Ukraine. Is not a smart idea.

Yeah. It really sounds more like bluffing to me.

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Quote from: greenalliancegroup on March 08, 2014, 07:35:02 AM

I believe Putin is using it as scare tacit. He does not want to see his personal wealth vanish like vaporware. He would cause economic disaster if he did that. Its more words than action Is worth tanking all the economies around the world and your personal wealth for ukraine. Russia already controls most of it anyways. I just believe the smart action that Russia should do if they really want the Ukraine is what the US has been doing, economic sanctions. Not rolling in tanks and troops. It looks like your war monger.

Even the Chinese the closest Russian Ally is bit weary about the position. Let say Russia does roll in with guns and troops in Ukraine and takes it over completely. It would piss off so many countries who have a vested interested in Ukraine. Now the contracts that they made are invalid.

Russia imports a lot of its food. So to see it cutting it ties with a lot of countries over the Ukraine. Is not a smart idea.

China is like Apple and owns a lot of cash. China also owns a lot of countries' debts like the US. China is a the manufacturing engine of the world. China needs oil and gas. Russia has both. Russia and China are loving each other's political status quo.

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I believe Putin is using it as scare tacit. He does not want to see his personal wealth vanish like vaporware. He would cause economic disaster if he did that. Its more words than action Is worth tanking all the economies around the world and your personal wealth for ukraine. Russia already controls most of it anyways. I just believe the smart action that Russia should do if they really want the Ukraine is what the US has been doing, economic sanctions. Not rolling in tanks and troops. It looks like your war monger.

Even the Chinese the closest Russian Ally is bit weary about the position. Let say Russia does roll in with guns and troops in Ukraine and takes it over completely. It would piss off so many countries who have a vested interested in Ukraine. Now the contracts that they made are invalid.

Russia imports a lot of its food. So to see it cutting it ties with a lot of countries over the Ukraine. Is not a smart idea.

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Quote from: dolphin2014 on March 08, 2014, 04:49:47 AM

Quote from: practicaldreamer on March 06, 2014, 05:58:04 PM

Putin is 5" 5 - he would have had no chance of being a US president - the average US president is 6"1 Huh

WTF

Putin is 5' 7". He looks much taller on television and in photos though

Check this:

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Quote from: practicaldreamer on March 06, 2014, 05:58:04 PM

Putin is 5" 5 - he would have had no chance of being a US president - the average US president is 6"1 Huh

WTF

Putin is 5' 7". He looks much taller on television and in photos though

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on March 08, 2014, 02:40:06 AM

Another important fact....

UK / EU companies such as Shell has invested tens of billions of USD in to Russian oil and CNG projects (such as the ones in Sakhalin, Nord Stream, Shtokman.etc). EU companies have also invested gigantic amounts elsewhere, especially in Steel and Agriculture.

If the EU joins in the US embargo, then they can say goodbye to all those investments. Grin

Investment and trade is supposed to encourage peace, so I hope that works this time.

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Another important fact....

UK / EU companies such as Shell has invested tens of billions of USD in to Russian oil and CNG projects (such as the ones in Sakhalin, Nord Stream, Shtokman.etc). EU companies have also invested gigantic amounts elsewhere, especially in Steel and Agriculture.

If the EU joins in the US embargo, then they can say goodbye to all those investments. Grin

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“We hold a decent amount of treasury bonds – more than $200 billion – and if the United States dares to freeze accounts of Russian businesses and citizens, we can no longer view America as a reliable partner,” he said. “We will encourage everybody to dump US Treasury bonds, get rid of dollars as an unreliable currency and leave the US market.”

I'm getting scared now, do we really have to live through this?

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Quote from: pungopete468 on March 06, 2014, 08:20:15 PM

If Russia dumps US bonds and collapses the US dollar then the people of this country won't need much more of a reason to approve or support WW3...

The scary part is that WW3 is planned. We're rushing towards WW3; they want it so badly it's scary.

There can be no WW3 - just ongoing localised wars based on geopolitics and natural resources - its happening already.

Quote from: bryant.coleman on March 07, 2014, 02:45:42 AM

China depends on Russian oil, while Germany has a dependency on Russian gas. 'nuff said.

Yes - most of Europe is dependant (to a greater or lesser extent) for its gas on Russia. The EU doesn't really have an appetite for a fight with Russia - shit, even Michael Heseltine (UK conservative) spoke a lot of sense last night on Question Time re. relations with Russia.

No - the US is becoming increasingly isolated [when even your longest serving bitch (i.e..the UK) is no longer willing to play the game (Syria ?)] - and the dollar is becoming increasingly weak/not worth the paper its printed on.

It won't end well.

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Quote from: iamahappyminer on March 07, 2014, 09:52:15 AM

Quote from: Wilikon on March 07, 2014, 03:44:26 AM

Quote from: greenalliancegroup on March 06, 2014, 05:35:28 PM

The problem with Putin ideology is that he won't just hurt US, but Russia itself. 200 Billion. It will tank other economies like the Chinese. The Chinese won't be happy at that point. Let face it, we are all interconnected now. No matter its rubbles, USD, or the RMB. We are all interconnected and have too much to lose.

Russia needs to sell that oil and gas. What are you going to do with stock pile of it? for what? The United States has enough reserves to last them more than Putin's lifetime. So then what?

Use bitcoins? Wink

Well, that would be a happy end for our community but I doubt Putin will except Bitcoin. It is illegal in Russia and seems to be illegal for a long time

Yes. The whole community knows the about Russia "banning" bitcoin.

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Quote from: Wilikon on March 07, 2014, 03:44:26 AM

Quote from: greenalliancegroup on March 06, 2014, 05:35:28 PM

The problem with Putin ideology is that he won't just hurt US, but Russia itself. 200 Billion. It will tank other economies like the Chinese. The Chinese won't be happy at that point. Let face it, we are all interconnected now. No matter its rubbles, USD, or the RMB. We are all interconnected and have too much to lose.

Russia needs to sell that oil and gas. What are you going to do with stock pile of it? for what? The United States has enough reserves to last them more than Putin's lifetime. So then what?

Use bitcoins? Wink

Well, that would be a happy end for our community but I doubt Putin will except Bitcoin. It is illegal in Russia and seems to be illegal for a long time

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Quote from: Vod on March 07, 2014, 03:56:47 AM

Quote from: greenalliancegroup on March 06, 2014, 11:05:49 PM

Quote from: Vod on March 06, 2014, 05:40:00 PM

Quote from: greenalliancegroup on March 06, 2014, 05:35:28 PM

The United States has enough reserves to last them more than Putin's lifetime. So then what?

I would challenge that statement. Unless you consider what Canada sells you as "reserve"?

Yeah I consider Canada as the reserve. Canadians are the life line of oil,natural gas, and water. Although if we include Fracking. The US can always keep its head above water. Also we have saudis.

US needs clean energy. I heard the fusion technology is going to be the next step.

That almost sounds like you are saying "Canada is our bitch". Tongue

I agree with you about fusion. Achieving that will almost free us from oil. I say almost because we have such a large dependency on plastics, made from oil. Sad

I never said that, "Canada is USA's bitch." YOU SAID THAT. Canada is its own beast. How you doing A? lol
On serious note. Canada is driving force in energy for North America.

Fusion is the way to go. A lot safer and cheaper.

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Quote from: greenalliancegroup on March 06, 2014, 11:05:49 PM

Quote from: Vod on March 06, 2014, 05:40:00 PM

Quote from: greenalliancegroup on March 06, 2014, 05:35:28 PM

The United States has enough reserves to last them more than Putin's lifetime. So then what?

I would challenge that statement. Unless you consider what Canada sells you as "reserve"?

Yeah I consider Canada as the reserve. Canadians are the life line of oil,natural gas, and water. Although if we include Fracking. The US can always keep its head above water. Also we have saudis.

US needs clean energy. I heard the fusion technology is going to be the next step.

That almost sounds like you are saying "Canada is our bitch". Tongue

I agree with you about fusion. Achieving that will almost free us from oil. I say almost because we have such a large dependency on plastics, made from oil. Sad

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Quote from: greenalliancegroup on March 06, 2014, 05:35:28 PM

The problem with Putin ideology is that he won't just hurt US, but Russia itself. 200 Billion. It will tank other economies like the Chinese. The Chinese won't be happy at that point. Let face it, we are all interconnected now. No matter its rubbles, USD, or the RMB. We are all interconnected and have too much to lose.

Russia needs to sell that oil and gas. What are you going to do with stock pile of it? for what? The United States has enough reserves to last them more than Putin's lifetime. So then what?

Use bitcoins? Wink

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Quote from: practicaldreamer on March 06, 2014, 05:58:04 PM

Re. US hot air being exhaled on the Ukraine nationalist vs Russia situation - 2 countries have been conspicuous by their absence in the current dialogue/narrative.

1) China
2) Germany

China depends on Russian oil, while Germany has a dependency on Russian gas. 'nuff said.

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Quote from: Vod on March 06, 2014, 05:40:00 PM

Quote from: greenalliancegroup on March 06, 2014, 05:35:28 PM

The United States has enough reserves to last them more than Putin's lifetime. So then what?

I would challenge that statement. Unless you consider what Canada sells you as "reserve"?

Yeah I consider Canada as the reserve. Canadians are the life line of oil,natural gas, and water. Although if we include Fracking. The US can always keep its head above water. Also we have saudis.

US needs clean energy. I heard the fusion technology is going to be the next step.

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Quote from: practicaldreamer on March 06, 2014, 05:58:04 PM

Putin is 5" 5 - he would have had no chance of being a US president - the average US president is 6"1 Huh

WTF

Re. US hot air being exhaled on the Ukraine nationalist vs Russia situation - 2 countries have been conspicuous by their absence in the current dialogue/narrative.

1) China
2) Germany

Wink

But still the US (Kerry) wants to preach to the Russians about their intervening in a border nation (that was historically Russian territory) whilst itself (the US that is) occupying directly both Iraq and Afghanistan and indirectly occupying many others - and covertly even more still.

The hypocrisy of it is staggering.

I hope Putin doesn't convince the Chinese to adopt a new reserve currency (and so to dump the $) - cos if that happens the US will crumble from within Wink

You heard it here first folks.

Nah, I heard it before now Wink

If Russia dumps US bonds and collapses the US dollar then the people of this country won't need much more of a reason to approve or support WW3...

The scary part is that WW3 is planned. We're rushing towards WW3; they want it so badly it's scary.

The actions speak louder than words and this country has been acting as a nation seeking conflict...

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Putin is 5" 5 - he would have had no chance of being a US president - the average US president is 6"1 Huh

WTF

Re. US hot air being exhaled on the Ukraine nationalist vs Russia situation - 2 countries have been conspicuous by their absence in the current dialogue/narrative.

1) China
2) Germany

Wink

But still the US (Kerry) wants to preach to the Russians about their intervening in a border nation (that was historically Russian territory) whilst itself (the US that is) occupying directly both Iraq and Afghanistan and indirectly occupying many others - and covertly even more still.

The hypocrisy of it is staggering.

I hope Putin doesn't convince the Chinese to adopt a new reserve currency (and so to dump the $) - cos if that happens the US will crumble from within Wink

You heard it here first folks.

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Quote from: greenalliancegroup on March 06, 2014, 05:35:28 PM

The United States has enough reserves to last them more than Putin's lifetime. So then what?

I would challenge that statement. Unless you consider what Canada sells you as "reserve"?

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The problem with Putin ideology is that he won't just hurt US, but Russia itself. 200 Billion. It will tank other economies like the Chinese. The Chinese won't be happy at that point. Let face it, we are all interconnected now. No matter its rubbles, USD, or the RMB. We are all interconnected and have too much to lose.

Russia needs to sell that oil and gas. What are you going to do with stock pile of it? for what? The United States has enough reserves to last them more than Putin's lifetime. So then what?

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Quote from: Wilikon on March 04, 2014, 01:53:07 PM

Vladimir Putin said Tuesday that authorities would issue general advice to dump US government bonds in the event of Russian companies and individuals being targeted by sanctions over events in Ukraine.

Sergei Glazyev said the United States would be the first to suffer in the event of any sanctions regime.

“The Americans are threatening Russia with sanctions and pulling the EU into a trade and economic war with Russia,” Glazyev said. “Most of the sanctions against Russia will bring harm to the United States itself, because as far as trade relations with the United States go, we don’t depend on them in any way.”

Glazyev noted that Russia is a creditor to the United States.

“We hold a decent amount of treasury bonds – more than $200 billion – and if the United States dares to freeze accounts of Russian businesses and citizens, we can no longer view America as a reliable partner,” he said. “We will encourage everybody to dump US Treasury bonds, get rid of dollars as an unreliable currency and leave the US market.”

http://en.ria.ru/business/20140304/188081405/Putin-Adviser-Urges-Dumping-US-Bonds-In-Reaction-to-Sanctions.html

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I have no problem with that statement by Putin. Freeze accounts of Russian citizens? Should we do that for the faults of their government or for political reasons?

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Quote from: Zickafa on March 05, 2014, 11:59:34 AM

Who is Sergei to make such loud statements? Newer heard about him

I know all about him and his relation with Putin after 30 seconds on google.

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Who is Sergei to make such loud statements? Newer heard about him

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They hold that much USD? Probably revenues from oil and gas.

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Vladimir Putin said Tuesday that authorities would issue general advice to dump US government bonds in the event of Russian companies and individuals being targeted by sanctions over events in Ukraine.

Sergei Glazyev said the United States would be the first to suffer in the event of any sanctions regime.

“The Americans are threatening Russia with sanctions and pulling the EU into a trade and economic war with Russia,” Glazyev said. “Most of the sanctions against Russia will bring harm to the United States itself, because as far as trade relations with the United States go, we don’t depend on them in any way.”

Glazyev noted that Russia is a creditor to the United States.

“We hold a decent amount of treasury bonds – more than $200 billion – and if the United States dares to freeze accounts of Russian businesses and citizens, we can no longer view America as a reliable partner,” he said. “We will encourage everybody to dump US Treasury bonds, get rid of dollars as an unreliable currency and leave the US market.”

http://en.ria.ru/business/20140304/188081405/Putin-Adviser-Urges-Dumping-US-Bonds-In-Reaction-to-Sanctions.html

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