Topic: Putin have 2 options to stop war or get russia occupied by france (Read 318 times)

Russia will be happy to keep things at a standstill with Ukraine. They already have captured enough of the east. The Ukrainian speakrs that didn't like Russia already have fleed and Europe took them in with open arms. They already have visas and jobs. Soon more of them will be having children in EU countries which will be getting automatic residency status. The Ukrainian economy is in shambles and keeps going only thanks to western funds.

Europeans have also kept feeling the pressure from the war with increased agricultural prices and expensive gas, petrol and electricity. The deficits of European economies have increased and never really recovered since the war begun. The stabilization the politicians are now talking about is not for prices to ever return to normal, but maybe for food inflation to be lower than 10% yoy.

The war in Ukraine was sold to Europeans as something necessary. Some economic sacrifices would be needed, but without having to send soldiers, so Russia wouldn't get closer to European borders if we prevented them from annihilating Ukraine. Now that Ukraine appears to not getting any ground, politicians are also talking about sending men on the ground. The European people however are not fond of that idea. And if that starts happening at scale, I'd expect a few governments to fall. Interestingly enough the rise of reactionary right wing politicians has those new politicians split in spite of them supposedly being part of the self proclaimed patriotic right. Some of them would support Ukraine no matter what, but most listen to the people and say no to sending weapons or men to Ukraine (just as the populist left has been saying for ages). So there's a growing European sentiment against support for Ukraine actually.

I find quite interesting the fact some people in a democratic country like the United States could be willing to accept a big country to invade a smaller neighbor country, against the international laws. Specially because, most of the people in the USA did not even know about Ukraine and could not even point out on a map where it is located.
People in the United States which do not care about Ukraine or it's people, in my opinion, do not seem to be actually in favor of democracy. What kind of democracy they would be defending if they accept a regime like that Putin keeps people under and plans to expand over free republics like Ukraine was supposed to be?
It sounds like a big contradiction to talk about freedom and yet support a dictator who does not think twice before killing his political adversaries in the country.

If someone of those pro-Russian Americans were born in Moscow, they could not even badmouth Putin in the same way they do to Biden, without being thrown in jail for charges of terrorism, treason or something.  

A bad job? He's not even trying, yet.     

I know that France is using that words to threatened Putin if he will allow peace to rain between Russian and Ukraine  because, many countries of the world are not happy about the crisis that is still on ground to caused disunity among the two country.

Based on the way Putin has prepared his arms to various areas in the country, it will make France not to try such thing because, it will worst many things that will make France to regret for coming in such way to make peace because Ukraine president is very ready to make peace with Putin.

I thought it was real! 

Other countries nowadays are not the same as how they used to be in the past because back then all they had was their military power with few resources but now most of them have some huge resources which makes them richer than other countries along with the leaders of their countries as well and that's the thing they can't sacrifice, they won't ever get their share of war just to make them look good and sacrifice their wealth and healthy lives for the sake of other people that are not even important to them. If we still living in an era where wars are just an easy thing to do, we are already seeing them firing nukes at each other.

France is no Napoleon anymore. Nobody is going to be sending troops into russia, not even Ukraine.


He's doing a bad job at that so far.

Putin should use his other option to stop the war... conquer all of Ukraine.

The truth is that NATO and the U.S are just over reacting and crying foul in issues that doesn't concern them
Russia has nothing to loose in the ongoing war in Ukraine, because if you stop to use Russia oil and gas they are almost self sufficient by it  self
They will not run to the U.S to beg for bread and Aids like African countries does

Thanks for this clarification, because I was wondering when France, declared that they were going to invade Russia, it's obviously in the OP imagination, if France, crosses that line, then Russia, will not fold it's hands and watch, they'll surely retaliate and the aftermath will be an escalation of the war, which might lead to a world war. France, can not precede NATO in that regard, because Russia, is not a pushover country, they'll give in everything in their arsenal, which is the dreaded nuclear weapon, so anyhow you look at it, a full scale war will not be favorable for Russia and the NATO alliance, it's only in diplomatic dialogue that the issue of Russia invasion of Ukraine, will end, violence begets greater violence, especially when it's two elephants that are involved.

This is just a childish fantasies in your head bro, do you really think France can go toe too toe with Russia alone?  If you look at Europe generally they are just placing their security under the umbrella of the united state (NATO)  or is like you hear what macron said about deploying troops in Ukraine and you think it's a good thing, you really don't know what is nuclear war, if you really do, you wouldn't even want to hear such a statement of any other country trying to invade Russia, the world nuclear super power, even American is dealing with Russia with caution, and you, you are here talking about France that can't even withstand Russia on their own, my advice to you is that just be careful, of what you wish for.

Everything in this world used to belong to someone else, the question is how far are you willing to go? Czech Republic and Slovakia used to be one country and in the 19th century it belonged to Austria.
After 1923 a large part of Ukraine was Polish, before that it used to belong to Austria, and before that to Lithuania. What does it matter? If we question the borders established in a different century it will only lead us to endless wars and chaos.

Why should Germany accept its borders after 1945, since it lost a part of the country to Poland? Why should Poland accept that it lost a part of its land to Russia in the same year? I remind you that Kaliningrad used to belong to the Prussians (Germans), then it was claimed by the Teutons, who were later defeated by Poland and their territories claimed. Then Prussians took it back for and then it again was given to Poland after the WW1. Historically it was never a Russian land, so why should Germany and Poland accept that it's now Russian and Putin is storing missiles there?

The only way for peace is to stop all fighting and accept the situation as is. Lay out clear rules that the one who attacks another country will be attacked by all its neighbors.

No sane mind in the World would think to occupy Russia. If it were that easy, US and NATO would have already done this.
If by any chance, France attacks Russia, it will be a suicide knowing that Russia has the World's largest nuclear arsenal. The whole of Europe will be the collateral if this happens. Don't take such news seriously.

HaHa, The USA and NATO have already lost the proxy war against Russia. Their use of amateurs and sanctions have strengthed Russia, and allowed it to design weapons to counter the best creations of the privatised military complex. The current military seems to be full of wobbly wokes, who are unlikely to fight in case they break a fingernail. Pretty soon we will see the real results of losing the war in Ukrain. Some say it will be the occupation of Alaska. It used to be Russian, and many of the residents speak Russian, and are of Russian descent. His justification will be a claim for compensation for the assets seized by the US, and it may be difficult to argue against that. Especially if Alaskan residents want to rejoin an expanding economy, rather than being associated with a declining country that is intent on destroying itsel.

"Plains"? "Champs Elisees" that is? Maybe.
But modern war is about combined arms tactics, drones and so on.
"Russia occupied by France" - happened 200 years ago, things didn't end well for France (they have learned the word "bistro") and Poland (got annexed for 100 years). To successfully occupy any territory - you have to invest into it. Russia was doing that almost always in its history - and it was working well until something was happening to Russia itself.


"Because they can" - it's easy to do stupid things, it's hard to fix the consequences.


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I was reluctant to read your entire post after reading the title but eventually ended up reading it out of curiosity and to be honest you are day dreaming or high on something. Do you really think France will take the risk and such stupid move? that to the france led by emmanuel macaron ? First of all they will never do it and even if they do it then Russia will occupy France as well and NATO or US cannot go direct head to head with Russia hence the best they could do is to initiate peace talk and nothing else. Why would france even get involved here?

I don't think military exercise or war is the best option because it will bring a severe negative impact to the whole world at large as well know, Russia is not a country to be threaten with war because they will not hesitate to reply with a violence measure. Irrespective how equip France may be Russia has equal capacity and resources to face any country that seen to pose a threat to them.
I believe deplomatic dialog is the best tools in ensuring peaceful coexistence and economics efficiency in the world. If France truly want a calm atmosphere they should be deplomatic about it and seek for peaceful dialog than proposing to engage Russia in any military exercise because using force to push Russia is as good as calling for another world war which I believe that many countries in the world are not ready for that.

Plains? What is that? There's no planes, but aircraft or airplanes.
When I hear someone refer to an aircraft as a plane, I feel like I'm talking to a child.


Now I know I'm talking to a child, or just someone who doesn't know what he's talking about. It's impossible for a country or a group of countries with nuclear strike capability to invade another country with similar nuclear capability. If this happens there won't be anyone to make use of that oil and gas that Russia has got.




That's not a point. That's some childish dream.

Let me give you something to think about. Does Russia share a border with Germany? If not, how is it going to transport its forces there to invade them?

WTF I just read? First of all, from where did you took that France have intentions to occupy Russia. After all it's not Napoleon era anymore. I guess it's related with Macron words about sending ground troops to Ukraine. Even if such thing will happen, do you really think that French troops would come here to occupy Russia? I don't even think there is big chance thatthey will send troops to Ukraine, so far it's nothing more than words.
And do you think that France is capable to occupy Russia alone. With just 200k active personel and little reseves it doesn't sounds realistic. Unless we talk about apocalyptic scenario with nuclear missiles used.

Historically, France has not had good luck trying to occupy Russia, times have changed, but in spite of it there is nothing which would make me confident on France being able to take over all Russia, specially since both sides hold nuclear weapons which could easily translate into the mutual destruction of both Europe and Russia.
Also, you are keeping our the fact there are several Countries and Republics which are geographically placed between Russia and France, being one of the most important ones Germany.
Even if France by herself was not wake to hold Russia at bay, a unified Europa could of they wanted, but the result would not be very different from the complete and mutual destruction thanks to the existence of the nuclear weapons both sides of the conflict have.

One cannot truly over-state how much of a game charger those weapons have represented within the world of warfare.

Putin have 2 options to stop war or get russia occupied by france

If France is starting a war with Russia, Putin has two options:
1. Destroy France;
2. Destroy Nato along with France, and maybe destroy the US, as well.

LOL

What you've been hearing in the mainstream media that has gotten you hyped up is not about war and definitely not between France and Russia
Despite their delusions the days of Napoleons and Tsars are long gone.

It is just jackals and vultures (namely the regimes in England, France and Germany) fighting over the carcass known as Europe after the dust settles.
The unions and coalitions have been weakening and will soon fall apart... They're active today to feed on the leftover so that when the 20th-century-style wars begins everywhere and everyday, each have "more" on their side.

France army is ready now also the france have one of the best air force and plains in Europe.
No doubt that france will make everybody listening them even USA will start respect france.
However Europe want russia gas and oil yes and likely If russia don't stop war the NATO Will try to invade russia and then will take the gas and oil by Force by france command.
Europe want russian gas and If Putin give them reason they Will come and take it and china will not protect russia becouse of china benefits of strong Europe france Alliance and maybe Europe will give some land to china Also from russia If NATO invade russia it could be the case that they will put the pipeline of gas and oil and railway through baltics all the way to Europe and London UK to transport iron and other good natural resources from russia.
We don't argue here whos right or wrong or does the russia have rights to invade ukraine it's just the European collective forces don't accept "cavemen behavior "
You want to be better than other countries then be smarter work with economy work with political ways but don't just go in other countries to invade that's not anymore how the things are done.

Second point , the invading occupied Nation or country don't give no results let's say russia will invade germany ...that means russia can make bmw Mercedes cars? definately not and by making the inseners to work under fear doesn't bring desired results either so get the point.

Also no point to for russia to threat other countries with nuclear weapons the NATO forces are next to russia one wrong move by russia and all the NATO troops will be crossing the borders of russia Even If Putin manage to attack with nuclears the UK germany and maybe USA then he can imagine the anger how fast the NATO troops will Act they will be from finland and lithuania in russia in few minutes.
Off course USA are interested that Europe not going to be successful on this so the trump might come out the NATO but If that's the case the NATO will likely to attack russia If Putin don't stop ukraine war the france leading military operation in Europe and EU might not Even care about what the trump think about and Europe can work together.


Even If the USA will go out of NATO the Europe don't care the france and UK got Also enough of nuclear weapons.
Current situation is nothing else then just give NATO to cross borders and make attacks smart move is just stop it and that's it.
Stubborn acting doesn't make anything good we just don't invade countries anymore we Want to play over others we work with our financial system our foreign relations and so but we don't act like caveman.

Even in the street fight or drunk bar fight you think before you fight becouse it's not worth to damage your health maybe for life for stupid reasons we all should be adult enough to understood this.

What the world need to understood the globalisation and unity is only way to work together some country got the resources some countries got the educated people and good techology and so it means we all need to exchange together things what we have.
The most stubborn country untfortunately will get crushed we don't talk about who's right or wrong or who like other Nations its a out of the question now the old dogmas must fall and start the new ways.
We either live in peace and harmony as much is possible or the most ego stubborn countries will get crushed and In worse case completely destroyed and their political leaders changed and country will be emerged with other neighbours that way it goes it is how it is it's will of higher power Even much higher than our world leaders

Yes usa did UK and france a lot invasion of land,but it was before we live in now new times and this kind of behavor not accepted.