Q3 - Influencers - transparency, real x fake balance, their amounts...

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Quote from: Wiwo on June 03, 2024, 04:44:18 PM

The question is how do we verify the authencity of they money, since we don't have such mechanisms it will be hard to build a feelings around them, so we have to just believe regardless and act based on that believe.

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Thanks for your reply!

I mean there are definitely ways to prove that the infulencer is playing with a "real balance" but the problem is that it requires invasion of these influencers privacy which most of them do not want to accept and I understand that...

Quote from: Alphakilo on June 03, 2024, 04:50:46 PM

Yea, their small following may be because they just started and are building up their accounts so people are yet to know them. You know, it is typically at this stage that they work super hard and put themselves out there. You'll see them answering the questions of their curious followers with all honesty and transparency.

However as soon as they blow up and have sponsorship deals, and they start deliberately not answer the questions of their audience.

@Alphakilo

Got your point, there it just depends on the character of the streamer...

Quote from: Wexnident on June 03, 2024, 05:22:37 PM

1. Definitely not. But I think it's a lot better for streamers and casinos to put it in at least just for most people, who are not aware of it, that they aren't using their own money and that's why they can make those reckless decisions that they do in stream. I don't think anything is honestly lost there imo.
2. Transparency is definitely a must, why not? I mean it's something like a marketing as well or the casino if they were able to reveal that they were transparent as much as possible. Nothing lost is there imo and would probably be better for the long term
3. No not really. At the end of the day it's money that came from the casino imo.
4. Naturally the 1st one lol. Some streamers can and are able to hide and play their emotions perfectly but most of them can't, they're much better off just being transparent with how they play so that it's a lot more relatable to their audience. Building a sort of rapport between the user is more effective after all imo.

@Wexnident

Thanks for your reply!

It's just as you said, except most streamers who play with "fake balance" won't admit it from what I have seen so far and then discussions arise about whether they are fake or not... Most of them can perfectly hide it and when someone points this out they immediately respond by deleting the message or ignoring it... From my perspective this casts a bad light on the casino which shouldn't allow this in the first place... Then I also don't understand why it doesn't bother some people that their influencer is simply not real and it's all just a hypocrisy (even if a perfect one).

Quote from: seoincorporation on June 03, 2024, 07:01:18 PM

Yes I do because he is fooling his audience with the fake balance, those users who enter to the stream and see a balance over a million they think that's real money, and it's just a lie.

Quote from: seoincorporation on June 03, 2024, 07:01:18 PM

That would be nice but it will never happen because they got paid for the stream, not for their wager or bets, their goal is to give a nice show and if they withdraw $10k or $100k that money doesn't come from the bets.

Quote from: seoincorporation on June 03, 2024, 07:01:18 PM

yes, while the bigger the amount better the stream, isn't the same to see a $1k win than see a $1M win. The $1k win doesn't make me feel anything at all.

Quote from: seoincorporation on June 03, 2024, 07:01:18 PM

I would say the one with the real balance, even if it's a low amount, the fact that he is really gambling and risking makes it better.

@seoincorporation

Thanks for your reply!

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Quote from: .Bag on June 03, 2024, 04:28:59 PM

1) Do you care whether the influencer is playing with their own money? ("fake balance" x "real balance")

Don't believe it, those who do the profession of influencing online gambling sites on their social media, generally they get money from those they advertise, generally the influencers are in direct contact with the owners of the respective casino brands, they attract and attract as many users as possible, one of them uses fake money, not his own.

Quote from: .Bag on June 03, 2024, 04:28:59 PM

2) As a viewer would you appreciate if the influencer were fully transparent? (showing withdrawals, deposits, playing under same conditions as every regular casino user, ect.)

Of course I believe the money they deposit or make withdrawals, but behind the scenes the money will be returned to the casino owner, it's real money but fake, aka not their own.

Quote from: .Bag on June 03, 2024, 04:28:59 PM

3) Is the amount of money the infulencer plays with important to you? ($500 x $50k)

Not important.

Quote from: .Bag on June 03, 2024, 04:28:59 PM

4) Considering we have two streamers, one with $500 playing with a "real balance" and being transparent about everything without faking his emotions, and another with $50k playing with a "fake balance" and not being fully transparent thus his emotions are not real either - who would win your favor? (I've only outlined the basic differences here but if you have anything that's important to you in choosing a streamer I'd be extremely glad to hear about it - it would really help me a lot!)

Both not, because I gamble trust myself, when you gamble and bet for real that's what actually happens, influencers are a joke to me.

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1) I don't care whether the influencer is playing with their own money? ("fake balance" x "real balance") as I just consider that thye gives an entertainment in gambling. We don't have to trust of what they do because they are trying to attract people to follows them to playing gambling and invites people to join using their affiliate link.

2) I will appreciate if influencer were fully transparent but I guess most of them only care how they can gets more visitors or downline that will joined using their affiliate links. Maybe some influencer will always warn people to be careful playing gambling and shows what they've got in gambling.

3) I am not too care with how much money they will use because that can manipulate. When I watch their videos, I just trying to see what games they played but I don't follows what they do because I knows they just gives and share what they do in gambling.

4) You should know what you wants to search from every influencer. But we must remember that we watch the influencer just for entertainment and not follows what they do. We responsibly with what we do and we watch them playing gambling to find out how to playing gambling if that is a new games for us.

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Quote from: .Bag on June 03, 2024, 04:28:59 PM

1) Do you care whether the influencer is playing with their own money? ("fake balance" x "real balance")

2) As a viewer would you appreciate if the influencer were fully transparent? (showing withdrawals, deposits, playing under same conditions as every regular casino user, ect.)

3) Is the amount of money the infulencer plays with important to you? ($500 x $50k)

4) Considering we have two streamers, one with $500 playing with a "real balance" and being transparent about everything without faking his emotions, and another with $50k playing with a "fake balance" and not being fully transparent thus his emotions are not real either - who would win your favor? (I've only outlined the basic differences here but if you have anything that's important to you in choosing a streamer I'd be extremely glad to hear about it - it would really help me a lot!)

1) Of course I do care with fake balance or real balance, if the influencer is being honest, why he didn't mention if the money he gamble is using fake money or real money in the place?

2) Yes I appreciate it, but it's not enough because it can be edited. The only way to prove if it's a real money is the influencer withdraw the money on non custodial wallet and he sign a message.

3) Not really, amount isn't the problem. But I'd want to see the winning and lose percentage.

4) I will choose the first influencer, I hate gimmick.

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Quote from: .Bag on June 03, 2024, 04:28:59 PM

1) Do you care whether the influencer is playing with their own money? ("fake balance" x "real balance")

Yes I do because he is fooling his audience with the fake balance, those users who enter to the stream and see a balance over a million they think that's real money, and it's just a lie.

Quote from: .Bag on June 03, 2024, 04:28:59 PM

2) As a viewer would you appreciate if the influencer were fully transparent? (showing withdrawals, deposits, playing under same conditions as every regular casino user, etc.)

That would be nice but it will never happen because they got paid for the stream, not for their wager or bets, their goal is to give a nice show and if they withdraw $10k or $100k that money doesn't come from the bets.

Quote from: .Bag on June 03, 2024, 04:28:59 PM

3) Is the amount of money the infulencer plays with important to you? ($500 x $50k)

yes, while the bigger the amount better the stream, isn't the same to see a $1k win than see a $1M win. The $1k win doesn't make me feel anything at all.

Quote from: .Bag on June 03, 2024, 04:28:59 PM

4) Considering we have two streamers, one with $500 playing with a "real balance" and being transparent about everything without faking his emotions, and another with $50k playing with a "fake balance" and not being fully transparent thus his emotions are not real either - who would win your favor? (I've only outlined the basic differences here but if you have anything that's important to you in choosing a streamer I'd be extremely glad to hear about it - it would really help me a lot!)

I would say the one with the real balance, even if it's a low amount, the fact that he is really gambling and risking makes it better.

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Quote from: .Bag on June 03, 2024, 04:28:59 PM

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1. Definitely not. But I think it's a lot better for streamers and casinos to put it in at least just for most people, who are not aware of it, that they aren't using their own money and that's why they can make those reckless decisions that they do in stream. I don't think anything is honestly lost there imo.
2. Transparency is definitely a must, why not? I mean it's something like a marketing as well or the casino if they were able to reveal that they were transparent as much as possible. Nothing lost is there imo and would probably be better for the long term
3. No not really. At the end of the day it's money that came from the casino imo.
4. Naturally the 1st one lol. Some streamers can and are able to hide and play their emotions perfectly but most of them can't, they're much better off just being transparent with how they play so that it's a lot more relatable to their audience. Building a sort of rapport between the user is more effective after all imo.

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Quote from: Coyster on June 03, 2024, 04:42:52 PM

It is on this forum that i get most of the casino that i gamble in, it is easier for me to go through their ANN thread, check their site out and ask questions (if any), directly to their representative on the forum.

Thanks for your reply!

I'm completely new here so I'm just looking around and getting to know the promotion options available on the forum. And I have to say that it's interesting and a lot of people here are choosing casino just like you... How much does approx the ANN thread cost? (I've seen some rewards for signature campaigns, but I have no idea how much the promotional post costs if it even costs anything Grin

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Quote from: .Bag on June 03, 2024, 04:44:32 PM

Thanks for your reply!

I'd be interested in what you think is behind their smaller following and audience?

Yea, their small following may be because they just started and are building up their accounts so people are yet to know them. You know, it is typically at this stage that they work super hard and put themselves out there. You'll see them answering the questions of their curious followers with all honesty and transparency.

However as soon as they blow up and have sponsorship deals, and they start deliberately not answer the questions of their audience.

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Quote from: Alphakilo on June 03, 2024, 04:36:23 PM

1. Honesty and integrity means the influencer is opened enough to tell their audience whether they are playing with their own money. I have only seen a few who are honest and they are usually those with small followers or audience.

Thanks for your reply!

I'd be interested in what you think is behind their smaller following and audience?

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Quote from: .Bag on June 03, 2024, 04:28:59 PM

Hey everyone,

1) Do you care whether the influencer is playing with their own money? ("fake balance" x "real balance")

For real i dont care whether they play with they money or not because influencers have lost my trust most especially those from my country, who play with fake money and also never care about they followers or make any attempt to resolve some issues they followers may have with the casino, this shows clearly that they can not be trusted and all they activities are paid and scripted.

So having such understanding, made me to draw a conclusion that the gamble with fake games and also fake balance so why then should i give a dem about the reality of they balance at anytime.

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2) As a viewer would you appreciate if the influencer were fully transparent? (showing withdrawals, deposits, playing under same conditions as every regular casino user, ect.)

That also can be faked, since the streamer is working with the casino their can easily work out fake withdrawal and deposits receipts

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3) Is the amount of money the infulencer plays with important to you? ($500 x $50k)

The amount is zero important to me since I know the have access to fake money that could go on max bet, so I don't freak at how much than influencers bet with in they videos.

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4) Considering we have two streamers, one with $500 playing with a "real balance" and being transparent about everything without faking his emotions, and another with $50k playing with a "fake balance" and not being fully transparent thus his emotions are not real either - who would win your favor? (I've only outlined the basic differences here but if you have anything that's important to you in choosing a streamer I'd be extremely glad to hear about it - it would really help me a lot!)

The question is how do we verify the authencity of they money, since we don't have such mechanisms it will be hard to build a feelings around them, so we have to just believe regardless and act based on that believe.

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It is on this forum that i get most of the casino that i gamble in, it is easier for me to go through their ANN thread, check their site out and ask questions (if any), directly to their representative on the forum.

Quote from: .Bag on June 03, 2024, 04:28:59 PM

1) Do you care whether the influencer is playing with their own money? ("fake balance" x "real balance")

For people who like to get new casinos from these streamers, then this would matter to them, but only if the streamer is going to show deposits and withdrawal, and for that they need to do it with their real balance and definitely not a fake one.

Quote from: .Bag on June 03, 2024, 04:28:59 PM

3) Is the amount of money the infulencer plays with important to you? ($500 x $50k)

It should not IMO, because whatsoever the streamer does should not be enough reason for you to trust the casino immediately. You should also DYOR about the casino and check if there are previous complaints against them.

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Quote from: .Bag on June 03, 2024, 04:28:59 PM

1) Do you care whether the influencer is playing with their own money? ("fake balance" x "real balance")

2) As a viewer would you appreciate if the influencer were fully transparent? (showing withdrawals, deposits, playing under same conditions as every regular casino user, ect.)

3) Is the amount of money the infulencer plays with important to you? ($500 x $50k)

4) Considering we have two streamers, one with $500 playing with a "real balance" and being transparent about everything without faking his emotions, and another with $50k playing with a "fake balance" and not being fully transparent thus his emotions are not real either - who would win your favor? (I've only outlined the basic differences here but if you have anything that's important to you in choosing a streamer I'd be extremely glad to hear about it - it would really help me a lot!)

Thanks a lot for every reply!

1. Honesty and integrity means the influencer is opened enough to tell their audience whether they are playing with their own money. I have only seen a few who are honest and they are usually those with small followers or audience.

2. No. It doesn't matter how much they play with. All I want is transparency. Although if the influencer is a high roller, I as a small bettor may become discouraged.

3. The one who is playing with real balance. He is honest and so will his wins and losses. And from there you will experience what it is to lose big or win big by watching them.

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Hey everyone,

in my last post I focused on whether you follow influencers (streamers, youtubers, etc.), your reasons for doing so and whether you have tried this site... If you want feel free to share your experiences here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.64153408

Today I would like to continue on this topic since there were responses related to distrusting streamers and other influencers and since this is a topic that has been discussed a lot lately (or at least I have come across it often and consider it very important) I would like to know your exact views on it...

1) Do you care whether the influencer is playing with their own money? ("fake balance" x "real balance")

2) As a viewer would you appreciate if the influencer were fully transparent? (showing withdrawals, deposits, playing under same conditions as every regular casino user, ect.)

3) Is the amount of money the infulencer plays with important to you? ($500 x $50k)

4) Considering we have two streamers, one with $500 playing with a "real balance" and being transparent about everything without faking his emotions, and another with $50k playing with a "fake balance" and not being fully transparent thus his emotions are not real either - who would win your favor? (I've only outlined the basic differences here but if you have anything that's important to you in choosing a streamer I'd be extremely glad to hear about it - it would really help me a lot!)

Thanks a lot for every reply!

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